From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #244 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, August 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 244 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- pink dress concert ["Rache A" ] Paul Brady's favourite album [Gertus@aol.com] Re: travelogue [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: study war no more [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Paul Brady's favourite album [Murphycopy@aol.com] Joni's back in LA [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] recent snag ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Piece of Paper from the City Hall ["Larry D." ] Re: Rhyme Police - Song for Sharon [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Rhyme Police - Song for Sharon [Catherine McKay Subject: pink dress concert I saw the last ten minutes (with an ad break) last night of this concert - Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell (I believe it is the pink dress concert). It was on cmt, though what was listed was "lost highway". That show is also a bbc show. Now I'm looking for it to be rerun! Unfortunately it took the end of Real Good for Free and the beginning of California before it occurred to me to put in a tape. After that there were byt and bsn. In the next half hour they had "Elton John Sings Elton John", but I didn't tape it; there was a little piece on Neil Young on that tape that I hadn't watched yet. Rachel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:01:13 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Paul Brady's favourite album Singer songwriter, Paul Brady reveals his cultural baggage in the Arts section of the UK Daily Telegraph today. His favourite album is Blue by Joni Mitchell who he says "is at the peak of her powers. The quality of writing is amazing." As a matter of interest, his favourite recent film is American Splendor; favourite film ever, La Reine Margot and favourite book, Letters to a Young Poet by Rainer Maria Rilke. Paul's favourite musician is D'Gary from Madagascar who he descibes as the greatest guitarist he's ever heard. Sounds interesting - anyone know anything about him? Jacky (just watching the cricket and wondering whether English cricket ever recover from this drubbing by South Africa) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Papyrus.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:03:23 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: travelogue Mick Mick wrote > Well we'd all do well to hark Mr Victor Krummenacher and his opinion of > Travelogue. He's clearly ahead of his time. It'll take this silly world > about 20 years, but it'ill happen. There was a question to listers earlier this week (I think) about what we thought of T. I recall Bob Muller replying, with what have pretty much been his consistent thoughts since November. I confess that I too was disappointed at first with T, but I felt that it showed signs of a lot of effort having been put into it. And, having been forced to eat humble pie about my first (and second and third) impressions of Joni's stuff in the past, I bit my tongue and decided to give it some time. This week, I listened to it in the car for the first time at least a month (maybe two months). And I am pleased to report that I enjoyed it more than I had previously. The subtleties and the stand-alone merits of the alternate arrangements are beginning to find their way fondly into my consciousness, and I suspect that my faith in Joni's talents will bear fruit over the years as I continue to enjoy this effort. I also think that the pace of the music may sit better with me (as a 55 year old) than it might have with me as a 40 year old (or with her younger fans - who in turn, might start relating better to the pace of the record 10 or 20 or 30 years from now as they listen to it over time). Those who are not yet ready to accept with grace the effects of the aging process may possibly be unnerved a bit by this illustration that it is an inexorable part of life's process and shows in one's output, for better or for worse. Sort of reminds me of that line from Neil Young in the interview that Kakki posted - about recording Helpless at 4 am, when the rest of the group was finally able to play at Neil's speed. I love Joni and her art in all of its periods. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:04:44 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: study war no more In a message dated 8/2/03 3:01:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Saw some live music somewhere the other day and the band played the chorus > of > 'study war no more', but I can't remember the name of the song. Is the > 'study > war no more' chorus an established part of some song or were the band having > a > 'joni moment'? Excuse ignorance if this is as well known as 'Happy Birthday > to > You'; I was eating and drinking at the time and it was quite dark... > > mike in barcelona tea leaf prophesy - from the underrated Chalkmark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:55:57 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Paul Brady's favourite album Jacky writes: << His favourite album is Blue by Joni Mitchell his favourite recent film is American Splendor; favourite film ever, La Reine Margot and favourite book, Letters to a Young Poet by Rainer Maria Rilke. Paul's favourite musician is D'Gary from Madagascar anyone know anything about him? >> All I know about him is that he is much more able than I to choose favorites in those categories. Favorite album? Book? Film? I could never name just one. (Plus he's wrong about "Blue." I used to think it was Joni at her absolute best, but now I know that it's "Hejira!") --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:55:56 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Joni's back in LA Return-path: From: Rakoman@aol.com Full-name: Rakoman Message-ID: <1e5.e510f12.2c5d2ab8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:54:48 EDT Subject: Hey To: MINGSDANCE@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/related by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Hey Mingus...went to dinner in LA on Thursday night and as I was leaving, you will never guess who was sitting outside eating or chatting...your favorite girl...JONI!! Just thought I would let ya know..g [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Asian .jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:39:17 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: recent snag >Heather wrote: > I just purchased a Joni Mitchell CD called Just Ice which was recorded live > in Toronto on Sept. 13, 1994. Sounds like my video I have on this > performance. I have to double check. > > The list of songs on the jacket are: > Sex Kills > Moon at the Window > Magdalene Laundries > Hejira > Cherokee Louise - A song for Mary > Nightflight Home (Night Ride Home) > Crazy Cries of Love > Poem- The fish bowl > Just Like this Train > Happiness is the Best Facelift > > Lots of dialogue - the quality is very good. Jacket artwork sucks. > Made in Italy by CD Music Co. > > Anyone else have this? Just wondering how published this is. Funny but I had been looking for the bootleg for 9 years now. Was unavailable over here. Then just recently I got 2 separate copies from kind JMDL traders. So upon finally getting to listen to it today for the 1st time while lying in the sun...... Yes lots of dialogue, or rather monologue. Joni explains how she will come up with an open tuning while listening to the ambiant noise, i.e crows and seagulls. Wow, that's even more impressive than Jorma Kaukonen's ability to come up with songs in his sleep. She goes on telling how Sex Kills was written about the L.A. riots. Would you believe I felt she conveyed that feeling very well and subtly at the same time. I actually had my home surrounded by smoke during the riots, and these white cadillacs were cruising, I tell you they were not looking to join the salvation army.... She talks how Cherokee Louise was written about her best friend who was Indian. Her other best friend was jewish. At 13 the girl's parents sent her to summer camp because she was dating goyim boys. That's how Joni discovered bigotry. I'd say it was more a self defense mechanism, I mean survival of the race type unrational arguments I'm all too familiar with.. Bigotry is universal, but with different outcomes depending on who the bigots are. But that's another story. Finally and after 9 years of looking for the CD, I would like to say that I learned an interesting concept in the jewish kaballah, (not that I'm a fan of the current Kaballah learning centers by any means..) and that is the concept of "resistance". It goes like this: if you resist getting something as opposed to instant gratification, then heaven brings it to you (and while at it you enjoy it more 'cause you waited) Enough babbling for today. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Piece of Paper from the City Hall My life partner and I have been together 27 years and as far as we're concerned, we've been married 27 years. Didn't need anybody's permission and don't need it now. I've been quoting the "we don't need no piece of paper" line for years (I like to think JM wouldn't mind). We're also fortunate to live in California, registered as a domestic partnership, and (modesty aside) have had the good sense to do our paperwork (wills, durable power of attorney for health care, etc.), so on a strictly personal level the whole gay marriage issue is largely a non-issue. I'm gay. I'm married. Get over it. :-) Larry D www.larry-d.com NP: Nessun Dorma, Aretha Franklin (bootlegged from the Grammy Awards show and downloaded) - ----------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:27:51 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: piece of paper from the city hall (sjc) Has this line from "My Old Man" run through anyone else's head as we listen to the debate over gay marriage, set off by our fearless and brilliant leader's press conference the other day? Honestly, aren't there enough real threats and problems to focus on? David, the newbie who's fine with not being legally married, but that's just me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 16:15:21 -0400 From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re:Joni's back in LA In a message dated 8/2/2003 11:55:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MINGSDANCE writes: > Hey Mingus...went to dinner in LA on Thursday night and as I was leaving, you will never guess who was sitting outside eating or chatting...your favorite girl...JONI!! Just thought > I would let ya know..g Well, hopefully she'll do a surprise performance (at least one song) at the Hollywood Bowl this Wednesday. It's "Wayne Shorter - Life and Music". Guests include Herbie Hancock and Carlos Santana. Joni isn't listed as one of the guests artists, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some of the LA jmdlers who are attending (Rick, Kakki, and visiting Pearl & Steve). Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:38:36 +0000 From: "Mick Mick" Subject: Re: Travelogue >I confess that I too was disappointed at first with T, but I felt that it >showed signs of a lot of effort having been put into it. And, having been >forced >to eat humble pie about my first (and second and third) impressions of >Joni's >stuff in the past, I bit my tongue and decided to give it some time. > >This week, I listened to it in the car for the first time at least a month >(maybe two months). And I am pleased to report that I enjoyed it more than >I had >previously. The subtleties and the stand-alone merits of the alternate >arrangements are beginning to find their way fondly into my consciousness, >and I >suspect that my faith in Joni's talents will bear fruit over the years as >I >continue to enjoy this effort. > >I also think that the pace of the music may sit better with me (as a 55 >year >old) than it might have with me as a 40 year old (or with her younger fans >- >who in turn, might start relating better to the pace of the record 10 or 20 >or >30 years from now as they listen to it over time). Those who are not yet >ready to accept with grace the effects of the aging process may possibly be >unnerved a bit by this illustration that it is an inexorable part of life's >process >and shows in one's output, for better or for worse. > >Sort of reminds me of that line from Neil Young in the interview that Kakki >posted - about recording Helpless at 4 am, when the rest of the group was >finally able to play at Neil's speed. > >I love Joni and her art in all of its periods. > >Bobsart Bobsart, Thank you for your excellent post, You love all Joni's work. I do too. Engaging with love, and I certainly do with Joni's music, trust forms. And doubts, expectations and prejudices are dissolved in the listening process. More room is created to receive gifts. The subleties in the phrasings of the music on this album are exquisite and they are matched to perfection by Joni's older and wiser voice.Travelogue is a team piece created by mature and expert talents for whom, in some way, Joni becomes an eloquent spokesperson. For me, most of the phrasings are as beautiful as any it has been my good luck to hear at any time. Most of the songs reach up less and flow out more, maybe more concert than album but I see that as a quality. It's not a modest album and at it's worst it gets a bit grand but I think that just has to do with trying to bung too many big pieces together. With time though, the flaws which seem to stand out so much at first hearings, fade gently away, (even that howler of a male chorus on Sire of Sorrow). I see Travelogue as another excellent Joni album. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:43:06 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Rhyme Police - Song for Sharon Azeem wrote: > I can keep my head at poker > But I'm a fool when love's at stake > Because I can't conceal emotion > Whatever I'm feeling's always written on my face. > > The Rhyme Police might want to take a close look at that too :-) > > Yes, but I hope they don't fabricate a charge of failure to rhyme internally (I can keep my "cool" at poker, but I'm a "fool") Actually, Song for Sharon is a favorite of mine, but when I sing it for myself, I do edit it in several places. Muller asked for my confession - here it is (shameless, and unrepentent - I generally edit the listed lines by deleting words (in parentheses) - sometimes I add (underlined), replace or shorten words): Big boat chuggin (back), with a belly full of cars Little Indian kids (on a bridge) up in Canada (is the bridge really needed ?) They'll walk (the girders of ) the Manhattan skyline (aren't the girders understood ?) (Be)cause I can't conceal emotion (What I'm feeeling's always written on my face) All my feelings are written on my face I went (in) to see her as a kind of joke And I came (out) here to the Big Apple (here) Then (And) she lit a candle for my love luck To face that (the) dream's malfunction (At least) better than I used to (do) Was she (she was) just shaking off futility (I like this much more as a question -less arrogant, and it leaves open other possibilities, as well) (My) friends were calling (up) all day yesterday All emotion(s) and abstraction(s) (I like the singular 'collective' abstract form much better than the plural) (It) seems we all live so close to that line Mama (and Betsy) says 'find yourself a charity' And the pretty lady in the white lace (wedding) gown And walking home (on) along the railroad tracks (there - I added a syllable) Or riding (swinging) on the playground swing (You know) it was white lace I was chasing Mama's nylons (under)neath my cowgirl jeans Amid (in) this vigorous anonymity ( I am not sure I get the feeling Joni is conveying here) A blank face at the window stares and stares and stares (and stares) And the flower(s) of deep feeling(s) (again, my preference for the abstract singular) (And I've) I still (got) have my eye(s) on the land and the sky All those nits and pieces would result in this edited version: I went to Staten Island, Sharon To buy myself a mandolin And I saw the long white dress of love On a storefront mannequin Big boat chuggin', with a belly full of cars All for something lacy Some girl's going to see that dress And crave that day like crazy Little Indian kids up in Canada They can balance and they can climb Like their fathers before them They'll walk the Manhattan skyline Shine your light on me Miss Liberty 'Cause as soon as this ferry boat docks I'm headed to the church to play Bingo Fleece me with the gamblers' flocks I can keep my cool at poker But I'm a fool when love's at stake Because I can't conceal emotion All my feelings are written on my face There's a gypsy down on Bleecker Street I went to see her as a kind of joke Then she lit a candle for my love luck And eighteen bucks went up in smoke Sharon I left my man At a North Dakota junction And I came here to the "Big Apple" To face that dream's malfunction Love's a repetitious danger You'd think I'd be accustomed to Well I do accept the changes Better than I used to A woman I knew just drowned herself The well was deep and muddy Was she just shaking off futility Or punishing somebody ? Friends were calling all day yesterday All emotion and abstraction Seems we all live so close to that line And so far from satisfaction Dora says "Have children" Mama says "Find yourself a charity. Help the needy and the crippled Or put some time into Ecology. " Well there's a wide wide world of noble causes And lovely landscapes to discover But all I really want to do right now is ...........Find another lover ! When we were kids in Maidstone, Sharon I went to every wedding in that little town To see the tears and the kisses And the pretty lady in the white lace gown And walking home along the railroad tracks Or riding on the playground swing Love stimulated my illusions More than anything And when I went skating after Golden Reggie It was white lace I was chasing Chasing dreams Mama's nylons 'neath my cowgirl jeans He showed me first you get the kisses And then you get the tears But the ceremony of the bells and lace Still veils this reckless fool here Now there are twenty-nine skaters on Wolmann rink Circling in singles and in pairs Amid this vigorous anonymity A blank face at the window stares and stares and stares And the power of reason And the flower of deep feeling Seem to serve me Only to deceive me Sharon you've got a husband And a family and a farm I've got the apple of temptation And a diamond snake around my arm But you still have your music I still have my eye on the land and the sky You sing for your friends and your family I'll walk green pastures by and by I do realize that I am bit of a sick puppy, but I had fun doing this Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rhyme Police - Song for Sharon --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > Actually, Song for Sharon is a favorite of mine, but > when I sing it for > myself, I do edit it in several places. Muller asked > for my confession - here it is > (shameless, and unrepentent - I generally edit the > listed lines by deleting > words (in parentheses) - sometimes I add > (underlined), replace or shorten > words): > > Big boat chuggin (back), with a belly full of cars > > Little Indian kids (on a bridge) up in Canada (is > the bridge really needed > ?) > > They'll walk (the girders of ) the Manhattan skyline > (aren't the girders > understood ?) I don't think Joni is married to her words so if you change them or take some out, she probably wouldn't hate you for it :) She changes them herself, sometimes taking things out, or changing words, more likely adding more. Didn't snow used to gather like bolts of lace waltzing on a ballroom girl? and later it's waltzing on a bridal girl? or did I just hear the words wrong? I have to say I like the image of the kids on the bridge, followed by the girders of the Manhattan skyline. I imagine these kids walking along one of those train trestle bridges - they'd have to keep their balance really well, or they'd fall off - those things don't usually have handrails alongside, because you're not supposed to walk across them. Then if the train comes along, your choice is to run, or to jump off. Makes sense that if you can do that, you'd probably be very adept at walking along girders on a construction site building some skyscraper. > Mama (and Betsy) says 'find yourself a charity' Hey! Whatcha got against Betsy? (who is Betsy anyway?) > Amid (in) this vigorous anonymity ( I am not sure I > get the feeling Joni is > conveying here) I always heard "in this vague or this anonymity" and somehow it seemed to go with the blank face at the window staring. I suppose "this vague" isn't very good English and I guess I don't read along as well as I thought. By the time I get part way through reading the words as the song is being sung, I get distracted by something and my brain heads off in a different direction. Hard to keep those things in check sometimes! So, if it's "vigorous" anonymity, maybe she's trying really, really hard to remain anonymous, which possibly defeats the whole point of being anonymous; or maybe not - maybe she's trying NOT to be anonymous, but anonymity wins in the end (?) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 02:07:14 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 3 1979: Joni's Shadow and Light Tour began at the Oklahoma City Zoo Amphitheatre. The band for this tour included Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius, Lyle Mays, Don Alias, and Micheal Brecker. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=835 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=837 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=846 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #244 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)