From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #243 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 2 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 243 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon ["Mick Mick" ] Re: hejira ["David Rahall" ] Re: hejira [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] study war no more ["mike pritchard" ] Re: hejira [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] downloadables [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest) ["Jim Leonard" ] Re: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" [] Covers #43, aka "Smurf's Delight" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Recent snag ["Heather" ] Re: Check out By the dawn's early night (vljc) [RobSher50@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #382 ["Emily M. Griskavich" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:26:05 +0000 From: "Mick Mick" Subject: Re: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon Well we'd all do well to hark Mr Victor Krummenacher and his opinion of Travelogue. He's clearly ahead of his time. It'll take this silly world about 20 years, but it'ill happen. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:42:09 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: hejira Whew. I'm glad this question was asked and answered. I always thought it was hedge-EYE-ruh. When I heard Joni pronounce it differently on "Woman of Heart and Mind," I figured I must have had it wrong all these years. David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Marja Tensen" ; Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: RE: hejira > merriam-webster's dictionary gives two alternative pronunciations (roughly > transcribed): > HEDGE-er-uh > and > hedge-EYE-ruh. > joni, i don't know why, chooses to pronounce it hezh-EER-uh (the "zh" > sounding like the "s" in "pleasure"). > wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:53:45 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: hejira Hi! Just a thought on this: Being "Hejira" an arabian word, could it be the "j" in it be pronounced strong, as the sound suggested by "kh" in words as khan el khalili (the famous El Cairo market)? I'll ask about it to my moroccan friends next time I'll talk to them Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: The Circle Game/Little Green medley, Philadelphia '68 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Marja Tensen" ; Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: RE: hejira > merriam-webster's dictionary gives two alternative pronunciations (roughly > transcribed): > HEDGE-er-uh > and > hedge-EYE-ruh. > joni, i don't know why, chooses to pronounce it hezh-EER-uh (the "zh" > sounding like the "s" in "pleasure"). > wally > > > ---9:--Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Marja > Tensen > Enviado el: Viernes, 01 de Agosto de 2003 01:07 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: hejira > > > How is "hejira" pronounced? I've never heard anyone actually say it! > > -marja > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:57:20 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: study war no more Saw some live music somewhere the other day and the band played the chorus of 'study war no more', but I can't remember the name of the song. Is the 'study war no more' chorus an established part of some song or were the band having a 'joni moment'? Excuse ignorance if this is as well known as 'Happy Birthday to You'; I was eating and drinking at the time and it was quite dark... mike in barcelona NP carles Benavent 'Aigua' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:15:20 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: hejira Well, as a muslim myself, there are one or two ways of pronouncing this - one romanised alphabet spelling is 'hijrah' so I've always pronounced Joni's way 'HEDGE - er- rah but the first syllable, although being stressed, is short so it's almost a 'hidge' sound. If she only said this word in the song, more people would know how to pronounce it! lol Also a person who has gone on hejira (hijrah), who has performed the hadj (haj) is known as a haji if male, and a hajjah if female. So, really we should refer to our Joan as Hajjah Mitchell! ;) Much Joni Jamie Zoob x NP Life On A String - Laurie Anderson --- Emiliano_Patiqo wrote: > Hi! > Just a thought on this: > Being "Hejira" an arabian word, > could it be the "j" in it be pronounced strong, as > the sound suggested by > "kh" in words as khan el khalili (the famous El > Cairo market)? > > I'll ask about it to my moroccan friends next time > I'll talk to them > > Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano > > NP: The Circle Game/Little Green medley, > Philadelphia '68 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:18:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: downloadables Hi guys I'm on a mac at work and a pc at home and I was just wondering if anyone was on broadband who had either kazaa (on pc) and limewire (on mac) who had any Joni rarites that they wouldn't mind me downloading from their systems? It's the unavailables that I'm after, not the stuff you can buy (I've already got those in vinyl, cd, hdcd and tape formats! (what me, obssessed?) Much Joni Jamie Zoob (please reply to jamie.zubairi@metrosafety.co.uk) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:27:51 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: piece of paper from the city hall (sjc) Has this line from "My Old Man" run through anyone else's head as we listen to the debate over gay marriage, set off by our fearless and brilliant leader's press conference the other day? Honestly, aren't there enough real threats and problems to focus on? David, the newbie who's fine with not being legally married, but that's just me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:07:41 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 7/31/03 8:57:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: He's got a woman at home, he's got another woman down the hall (he seems to want me anyway) > And I'm thinking that this is one of those lines that Bobsart > would say is over-syllabic... > > Bob > Well, Coyote was my Song of the Day yesterday to my daughter. My one word review of it was "Whooooooo !" That said, you are probably correct about me again. (This list is a bit incestuous in the sense that we know more in some areas about each other than our significant others do - there, I've done it, I 've tried to say something politically correct). "He's got a woman at home, and another down the hall (he seems to want me anyway)" Nah - not enough syllables. If you did that, before long, you'd have belchers like me trying to cover your songs.......:-) Bobsart, COSP (Chief of Syllable Police) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:43:15 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 8/1/2003 9:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bobsart48 writes: > (Chief of Syllable Police) LOL! Look out Bob, that one is gonna stick. And it's only fair that you mention the Joni lines that you've edited because she was overly-multi-syllabic and get your beating. In other words, which lines make the Chief pull out his whistle and yell: OK, lady...pull over and put down that pen - you've got too many syllables there! ;~) Bob NP: JT, "Millworker" (dedicated to that Millworkin' Ashara) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:52:41 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: study war no more >>I'm gonna lay down my heavy load Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more,<< In my own defence of my ignorance over this tune, I should say that there is a Welsh song that uses this tune, 'Lawr ar lan y mor', (circumflex over that last vowel) although the translation is down by the sea side rather than the riverside. I was probably confused by that too, among other things. mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:37:26 -0400 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest) I've really been enjoying reading the JMDL digest of late, beginning with all the Laura Nyro posts, the debate about "For Free," and discussions of the albums LOTC, FTR, and THOSL. I'm usually a bunch of digests behind, but I find I can't delete the old ones. I did manage to (almost) catch up this morning (I have one digest to go) and wanted to stop to comment on a couple of posts. Ron wrote, regarding Emmylou Harris not having written original material after the early classic "Boulder To Birmingham":: > the crime is her waiting for so damn long before following it up with more of her own compositions on red dirt girl. > Although she hasn't done as much writing as Ron and I would both have liked during her illustrious career, it must be pointed out that Emmylou wrote the songs on her concept album (not sure of the year of release, but I'm pretty sure it was in the mid-'80's) "The Ballad Of Sally Rose." Most interpreted the song cycle as a not-so-veiled chronicle of Emmylou's relationship with her "discoverer," mentor and former singing partner, Gram Parsons. Also, in "Re: JoniFest attendees," Kenny B wrote: > Ashara; I was thinking how you were saying that the attendance at this year's JoniFest was a bit low and you didn't know if this would be the last year for it if more people didn't show an interest. > I never had the pleasure of attending an "original-style" JoniFest, and I must admit that my interest took a nose-dive last year when it was transformed from an informal annual weekend get-together at Ashara's (and nearby motels) into something far more organized and expensive, at a resort. I wouldn't be surprised if this "growing" of the Fest, into an event complete with commemorative merchandise and daily agendas and workshops and what have you, has been the primary reason for the decline in interest. Maybe there could be a return to greater informality in the future, wherein the Fest again becomes a gathering of friends old and new, with no real agenda but to see where things go, and with no financial and/or commitment deadlines. I know that the number of Fest-ers grew too large for Ashara's comfort in 2001, in terms of the Fest taking place at her home and its environs - and, hence, the "new-style" Fest was born - but maybe there's some happy medium that could be arrived at, like having it at a reserved area in a large park somewhere, with plenty of elbow-room, and with affordable motels and camping options in the area. Just my two cents, which I hope are seen as a constructively-submitted hypothesis from someone who, admittedly, knows very little about it. (No flames, please.) Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:38:12 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 01/08/2003 14:08:50 GMT Daylight Time, Bobsart48@aol.com writes: << Nah - not enough syllables. >> I reckon if there were a Scansion Police (and who's to say it'll never happen??), Exhibit A would be: I can keep my head at poker But I'm a fool when love's at stake Because I can't conceal emotion Whatever I'm feeling's always written on my face. The Rhyme Police might want to take a close look at that too :-) And what about (widening the search), Freddie Mercury's arch classic: I've taken my bows and my curtain calls You gave me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it - I thank you all I love that line and the way he sings it! Azeem in London NP: England's cricket team being SLAUGHTERED by South Africa :-( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:06:28 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: RE: hejira Wally wrote: > joni, i don't know why, chooses to pronounce it hezh-EER-uh (the "zh" > sounding like the "s" in "pleasure"). Because that's how it sounds and feels best (at least to my ears and mouth). : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:14:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest) Jim writes: << I never had the pleasure of attending an "original-style" JoniFest >> Well, it's next week, Jim, and I am still laughing about your "Lifeboat" comment from a couple of months ago! I'll let you know what happens. (Like if Muller and I duke it out while someone is warbling "Woodstock.") Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:15:27 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: hejira <> I just finished a class at school called The World of Islam, and there the word was even spelled differently - hijrah or hijra. The instructor even pronounced it like it looks, with 2 syllables - hijh-rah. In the world of Islam there are many different dialects of Arabic. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:29:29 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" Azeem in London wrote: "I reckon if there were a Scansion Police (and who's to say it'll never happen??), Exhibit A would be: I can keep my head at poker But I'm a fool when love's at stake Because I can't conceal emotion Whatever I'm feeling's always written on my face." OK, scansion police. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. How about: "Sittin' in a park in Paris, France Readin' the news, and it sure looks bad They won't give peace a chance That was just a dream some of us had Still a lot of lands to see But I wouldn't want to stay here It's too old and cold and settled in its ways here Ah, but California California! I'm comin' home Gonna see the folks I dig I'll even kiss a sunset pig California, I'm comin' home." I rest my case. ;-) Mary P. P.S. I actually started writing a song last year after Jonifest, for the first time in many, many years, inspired by Kate Bennett and Jeff Bisch's *wonderful* songwriting workshop there. My effort, which is about half done and may or may not ever be finished, has a "California"-ish feel to the lyrics, although its subject is quite different: at least, in some ways. I had fun with it. ;-) In a message dated 01/08/2003 14:08:50 GMT Daylight Time, Bobsart48@aol.com writes: << Nah - not enough syllables. >> I reckon if there were a Scansion Police (and who's to say it'll never happen??), Exhibit A would be: I can keep my head at poker But I'm a fool when love's at stake Because I can't conceal emotion Whatever I'm feeling's always written on my face. The Rhyme Police might want to take a close look at that too :-) And what about (widening the search), Freddie Mercury's arch classic: I've taken my bows and my curtain calls You gave me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it - I thank you all I love that line and the way he sings it! Azeem in London NP: England's cricket team being SLAUGHTERED by South Africa :-( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:55:54 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #43, aka "Smurf's Delight" In a message dated 8/1/2003 10:16:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > Then you're gonna like Covers # 43 Bobi ! :~) >> > > What's "Covers?" Nice try, Smurf...but we all know that when we all go home and you're left there all alone, you put on the Joni covers & LET 'EM ROCK! And #43 is another rockin' good collection! For you newbies out there, this is an ongoing JMDL project wherein I collect recordings of Joni songs (and some that technically she didn't author) and compile them into cd's...so each month there's a new Joni tribute CD! Thanks to those who helped me gather these up: Steve Dulson Scott Merrell Joe Farrell And here's a tour of the cd, track-by-track: 1. Terry Gonda - Both Sides Now: From her yet-to-be-released CD "Love, Lose, Repeat" (what a great title!) comes an extraordinary recording of the standard, making it seem brand new again. 2. Briarose - The Circle Game: This trio from Oregon recorded this one in concert, and even added a new verse about the "child" turning 40! 3. Common Ground - Woodstock: An instrumental that settles easily on the ear. 4. East of Eden - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: This jazz arrangement is sort of a samba arrangement, rhythmically speaking, and features some nice solos, including a nice jazz violin. 5. Harry Stoneham - Both Sides Now: An organ medley with "Everybody's Talkin' At Me" & "Elusive Butterfly"...warning - CHEESE AHEAD! :~) 6. Bob Morley - Chelsea Morning 7. Bob Morley - The Circle Game: First, it's MORLEY and not MARLEY, so we're not jommin' mon. These are so-so 70's folk rock covers. 8. Uranus - You're So Square: A traditional rockabilly-style take, pretty much like Elvis did it. 9. The Movieland Orchestra - Both Sides Now: Muzak. 10. Blue Tapestry - Little Green 11. Blue Tapestry - In France They Kiss On Main Street: All these BT covers are outstanding, and these 2 are no exception. BT is a UK band that plays Joni/Carole King music - they don't shoot for outright duplication, and put their own band touches on them. Great stuff! 12. Nyle Frank - Morning Morgantown 13. Nyle Frank - The Circle Game: Nyle has been recording a while. These are solo piano recordings, I had the pleasure of talking to him over the phone - a very nice guy, and a big Joni fan. A very talented player, these are both fine versions. MM has a nice "music box" quality to it. 14. Craig Douglas - Both Sides Now: UK easy listening vocalist, another entry in the "Forgettable BSN" category. 15. Leslie van Berkum - Chelsea Morning: Leslie & her husband run a nursery, and she likes to sing too. Her friends told her she should record a CD with her favorite songs. Good luck with the nursery. 16. Lee Hazlewood - Urge For Going: Lee, who teamed up with Nancy Sinatra on some 60's recordings, has had a long & prosperous career in parts of Europe where he is held in God-like status. This one is on his RAREST and most hard to find LP, so I was lucky in procuring it. His mediocre vocal is salvaged by the fact that this is just a darn great song. 17. Claire Martin - Be Cool (live) 18. Claire Martin - Amelia (live): Getting these recordings is really a major coup, as they are not available commercially. They are taken from a concert she did in the UK earlier this year. Both lovely, and she adds some comments about Joni & Travelogue that are sure to please you T'log fans out there. 19. Ben McPeek - Both Sides Now: Canadian composer/arranger, this one for those of you who may not have been aware that Canada exports cheese too! So there you have the rundown on this month's entry on the never-ending parade of Joni covers! Stay tuned to see how you can win one for your very own and be jommin' like Murphy! Bob NP: Ben McPeek, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:31:41 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Recent snag I just purchased a Joni Mitchell CD called Just Ice which was recorded live in Toronto on Sept. 13, 1994. Sounds like my video I have on this performance. I have to double check. The list of songs on the jacket are: Sex Kills Moon at the Window Magdalene Laundries Hejira Cherokee Louise - A song for Mary Nightflight Home (Night Ride Home) Crazy Cries of Love Poem- The fish bowl Just Like this Train Happiness is the Best Facelift Lots of dialogue - the quality is very good. Jacket artwork sucks. Made in Italy by CD Music Co. Anyone else have this? Just wondering how published this is. Best- Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:54:31 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Check out By the dawn's early night (vljc) I will Donna. You guys are like family to me! Sherelle In a message dated 08/01/2003 12:10:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: > > Hi Sherelle! > > I've been too slow to write and congratulate you on this article! How > exciting! I think of you often and am so glad you are gaining success. > You have a wonderful voice and stage presence. Please keep the list > informed of your progress and gigs etc. Take care. > > Donna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:35:02 -0500 From: "Emily M. Griskavich" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #382 Reply Reply to all Forward Help http://webmail.loras.edu/exchweb/help/USA/ie5/default.htm?readnote.htm From: Emily M. Griskavich Sent: Fri 8/1/2003 8:22 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.com Cc: Subject: Sam Phillips njc Attachments: View As Web Page In the "Tribute to Sun Records" special that ran on PBS last year, some of his former artists (mainly the ones who didn't get famous) talked about him having another jerky side that many didn't know about. Take their opinion for what you will. Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:15:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: sam phillips, rip -- njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) - Sam Phillips, who discovered Elvis Presley and helped > usher in the rock 'n' roll revolution, died Wednesday. He was 80. > > By 1956, when Phillips sold Presley's contract to RCA for $35,000, the rock > 'n' roll craze had become a cultural phenomenon and a multimillion-dollar > industry. > "It all came out of that infectious beat and those young people wanting to > feel good by listening to some records," Phillips said. Quite a character- I've seen some interview footage of him talking about the old days of Sun. He never bragged about Elvis, and never whined about selling his contract. The paragon of cool. He also launched the carreers of Carl Perkins, Roy Orbison, Johnny Cash, and Jerry Lee Lewis. Whew! Play it again, Sam. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:35:02 -0500 From: "Emily M. Griskavich" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #382 Reply Reply to all Forward Help http://webmail.loras.edu/exchweb/help/USA/ie5/default.htm?readnote.htm From: Emily M. Griskavich Sent: Fri 8/1/2003 8:22 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.com Cc: Subject: Sam Phillips njc Attachments: View As Web Page In the "Tribute to Sun Records" special that ran on PBS last year, some of his former artists (mainly the ones who didn't get famous) talked about him having another jerky side that many didn't know about. Take their opinion for what you will. Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:15:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: sam phillips, rip -- njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) - Sam Phillips, who discovered Elvis Presley and helped > usher in the rock 'n' roll revolution, died Wednesday. He was 80. > > By 1956, when Phillips sold Presley's contract to RCA for $35,000, the rock > 'n' roll craze had become a cultural phenomenon and a multimillion-dollar > industry. > "It all came out of that infectious beat and those young people wanting to > feel good by listening to some records," Phillips said. Quite a character- I've seen some interview footage of him talking about the old days of Sun. He never bragged about Elvis, and never whined about selling his contract. The paragon of cool. He also launched the carreers of Carl Perkins, Roy Orbison, Johnny Cash, and Jerry Lee Lewis. Whew! Play it again, Sam. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:44:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Recent snag In a message dated 8/1/2003 8:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chiaroscuro@snet.net writes: > Anyone else have this? Just wondering how published this is. > Well, it was tape treed way back when. I transferred my tape to CD, and over the years have made some copies for folks. It's a great show, no doubt about it. "Just Ice" is the bootleg CD that came from it, where they edited out the interview part and just tracked the music. The correct date is Sept. 23, 1994. I remember that one because the 23rd is my b-day. Bob NP: Oliver Nelson, "Stolen Moments" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:06:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: whale rider & a wee bit JC >Hi Scottish Maggie here, a newbie who has been lurking after diving in several weeks ago. Can anyone tell me their thoughts on this : do you think 42 is to old to try and learn guitar?< heck no! you are only half way (or maybe even less)through your life...years left for learning stuff & enjoying life...lifelong learning is what keeps people interesting imo! kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #243 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)