From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #242 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 242 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" ["hell" ] Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" [BRYAN8847@aol.com] CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon ["kakki" ] Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" [Catherine McKay ] "Dancin' close and slow" [] Re: "Dancin' close and slow" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] feels like coming home ["Love Nature" ] Re: "Dancin' close and slow" [] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 - bumperstickers [lfye@cresapartners.com] HOSL rediscovering Joni [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= ] Re guitar [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= ] Re: whale rider & a wee bit JC [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= ] Re: Those Drums! Those Infernal Drums! ["Larry D." ] Re: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon [Randy Remote ] Re: HOSL rediscovering joni ["ron" ] Re: "Dancin' close and slow" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] hiatus ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: hiatus [tantra-apso ] silly Joni dream [Deb Messling ] Re: Mercantile question ["Brenda" ] Re: Those Drums! Those Infernal Drums! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: CSN ["mia ortlieb" ] Re:Learning to play at 42 [PassScribe@aol.com] hejira ["Marja Tensen" ] RE: hejira ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:06:36 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" Bryan wrote: > I saw a reference to the phrase "dancing close and slow" in a recent article > that also referred to Joni. This comes from a Joni song, doesn't it? I am > going nuts trying to remember which one. I'm sure one of you can tell me. I had to use the lyric search on the JMDL site (my brain is slow at night!) but it's from Coyote: "He drags me out on the dance floor And we're dancing close and slow" Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:03:37 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" Of course....and Coyote is one of my favorites. I need to re-charge my brain or something. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:32:42 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon A JMDL'er recently sent me this article from the San Francisco Bay Guardian: "The Canyon was on fire- In 1969 the scene in Laurel Canyon was about as cool as a scene could be. It didn't last." By Victor Krummenacher http://www.sfbg.com/noise/2003-07/laurel_canyon.html Kakki editorial comment: Krummenacher casts a rather jaded eye on the Laurel Canyon "myth" (could be that traditional San Fran thing of looking down the nose at LA ;-), treats CSN less than kindly, jabs Neil a bit and then redeems him in the end, but holds Joni up throughout over all of them (even going so far as to call Travelogue "fantastic") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > I saw a reference to the phrase "dancing close and > slow" in a recent article > that also referred to Joni. This comes from a Joni > song, doesn't it? I am > going nuts trying to remember which one. I'm sure > one of you can tell me. Coyote. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:24:46 -0500 From: Subject: "Dancin' close and slow" Bryan: By this time, I'm sure that at least half a dozen of our intrepid JMDL sleuths will have beaten me to the punch, but the song is "Coyote." ". . . The next thing I knew, that Coyote's at my door He pins me in a corner and he won't take 'No!' He drags me out on the dance floor, And we're dancin' close and slow Now he's got a woman at home He's got another woman down the hall but he seems to want me anyway Why'd you have to get so drunk and Lead me on that way You just picked up a hitcher A prisoner of the white lines on the freeway." Mary P. (transcription a combination of the words on the inside jacket of the cover of the _Hejira_ album, and the way I remember Joni singing them.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:57:56 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 7/31/2003 8:24:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > Now he's got a woman at home > He's got another woman down the hall but he seems to want > me anyway Which was of course the way she recorded it; when she sang it live prior to recording it on her '76 tour, she sang: "He's got a woman for the night and he wants me for the day" Just a little Joni trivia for ya'. And I'm thinking that this is one of those lines that Bobsart would say is over-syllabic... Bob NP: Talking Heads, "Listening Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:27:45 +0300 From: "Love Nature" Subject: feels like coming home - - Love Precisely! And I'm wondering, how does she do it?! - - Love Np - Richard Bona's Reverence -album >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003, "ron" wrote: >then when you put joni back on again, its like it just makes all the other >stuff pale by comparison. gives you a yardstick by which to appraise other >music. feels like youre coming home again. like youve been blinded but now >you see the light (ok - its a cliche - im no joni when it comes to >expressing what i really feel) its like a drink of fresh water when youre >really thirsty but havent consciously realised it 'cause youve been >distracted by other thing.... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:36:43 -0500 From: Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" Ooooooh, Bob, I LOVE it when you talk trivia to me!!!!! ;-) Seriously: re: "oversyllabic": but those are precisely the lines of Joni's that I love the most. I'm no jazz musician--hell, I'm no musician of any sort!--but it seems to me that one of the great contributions that Joni made to popular music in the early- to mid-70's was to break the tyranny of the metered line. From perhaps as early as _LOTC_, and certainly _Blue_, Joni threw in extra notes with her voice, and she threw in extra syllables with her lyrics. She could do the reverse, too: note the sheer time, and number of notes, she expended to great effect on one single word and syllable, "blue." In short, Joni could probably write iambic pentameter or even standard song meters with the best of them, but one joy of knowing the rules is, at least in some contexts, knowing when and how to break them. Those are my 2 cents, and I'm sticking to them! Take care, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:04:26 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 In a message dated 7/30/03 6:39:22 PM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > speaking of bumper stickers (didn't someone > recently? bob?)... the one i like says: > > "the christian right is neither" > > kate > www.katebennett.com > OOOooooo good bumper sticker! I have to admit, I don't like the one that says "mean people suck" because even though I agree with the message, the word "suck" seems like a mean way to put it. I was thinking it would be neat to have a bumper sticker that said, "We have all come to fear the beating of your drum." The broadcast of pictures of the Hussein brothers definitely shows how insane this war is. Bush desired to "build a single nation of justice and opportunity" and to protect our children according to his own words. So, my kids see the Hussein brother's corpses on TV and think this is how our president is working to "build a single nation of justice and opportunity" and protecting me. I have a big problem with this. People make a big deal about kid's video games that spill blood because they associate these with children gunning down children. But, hey, this is real life, not simulation! I've looked at Bush from both sides now... from win and lose, and still some how, his victory illusion I recall, in trying so hard to win, will he kill us all? Looking for the peace and the star, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:14:26 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 - bumperstickers Dr. Laura wrote: > I don't like the one that says "mean people suck" because even though I agree > with the message, the word "suck" seems like a mean way to put it. I suspect that was the idea ... sort of an irony thing. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:34:45 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: HOSL rediscovering Joni > RON SAID"how many > people find that youll listen to other music for quite > some > time, and > really > enjoy it. > > then when you put joni back on again, its like it just > makes all the > other > stuff pale by comparison. gives you a yardstick by which > to > appraise > other > music. feels like youre coming home again. like youve > been > blinded but > now > you see the light (ok - its a cliche - im no joni when it > comes to > expressing what i really feel) its like a drink of fresh > water when > youre > really thirsty but havent consciously realised it 'cause > youve been > distracted by other thing............... > > oh wow, better shutup now......." > > Ron, this is great stuff. I just had to go and listen to > to > "Boho Dance" right now because of your comments. It is > wonderful when someone triggers a deeper insight into a > piece of work in this way and one of the reason I have > stuck with the list and enjoyed reading everyones raves > and > comments over the last few weeks, is because I have got > back "into " Joni after a break of listening. > I have always come back to Joni after lots of diversions > and flirtations with other music. I can only say that > there > are certain books I will re-read and poems that will help > me "get through" and works of Art that will do the same, > soothe the void and where music is concerned I will > always > come back to Joni, there is always something there in her > imagery. I have to go and listen again now thanks to you! > take care > Maggie ( scots) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the > FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:39:36 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re:AL Pacino --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/30/2003 8:50:49 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > athene_13_1999@yahoo.com writes: > > Welcome Scottish Maggie! You're right on about Edith and > the Kingpin. It's > definitely a Joni song which runs through your head like > a movie. I see a young > Al Pacino playing the part of the Kingpin (probably > because of "Scarface") Jimmy.. > I know I know, I was thinking of "Carlito's Way" though, I am an AL fan, How did you guess???(-; > > Can anyone tell me their thoughts on this : do you > think 42 > > is to old to try and learn guitar? > > SURE!!! Michael Paz was 56 when he learned to play > guitar, and he's pretty > darn good now :~) > I will remember that.. > Jimmy > ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:46:33 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re guitar --- Randy Remote wrote: > > I think it is easier to learn guitar than piano. For one > thing, you don't > even need to learn music per se; 95% of guitar players > can't read a > note! Ask around, it's true.... > Also, some people have affinity for a certain instrument > more than > others. I can barely make a sound on a flute, other > people I know > have been able to pick it up and make it sound pretty > good without > any previous experience. > You are not too old, but be realistic. It may take you a > year of > daily practice to get to the point where you are doing it > smoothly. > Try to find a teacher that doesn't get you hung up on > learning > music theory. If you learn the basic chords, you can > start having > fun with it fairly quickly, and if you want to get into > theory, you > can do it once your hands are getting used to playing. > You can also get a basic chord book or chart, and get > started > yourself without a teacher. > RR > Hi and Many Thanks for this advice and you are so right I have to be realistic, it is so easy to have expectations that are unrealistic when it comes to learning an instrument. I will start strumming as soon as my pal lends me her guitar and see how it feels. Take care Maggie ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:49:06 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re: whale rider & a wee bit JC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me their thoughts on this : do you > think 42 > > is to old to try and learn guitar? > > Heavens no, Maggie...go for it. THANKS I WILL!! ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:35:39 -0600 From: Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley Subject: CSN Hi Kiddies, Just a quick note in case nobody else posted this last night (maybe Kate of the North - you still here Kate?). I went to CSN last night in Saskatoon, and lots of Joni references there. First, Crosby talked about how Saskatoon was this mythic place for them because of the stories Joni has told them, and then he went on to say how he loved her but how she wasn't the easiest woman to love, and then Nash said "but we tried!" and it was kinda funny. Then Crosby went on to say he thought Joni was the best singer/songwriter alive. Later on, Nash brought out his daughter for her 21st birthday, and they sang "A Case of You" together. He also mentioned how he wrote "Our House" for Joni, and at the end of that song, he said "I believe that Mr. and Mrs. Anderson still live in Saskatoon. If anyone here knows them, please send my warmest regards" which I thought was nice. And, I am sure there was more Jni content, but I can't think right now, and I sort of got kinda drunk by accident, so I could be forgetting something. I didn't think I was feeling the effects of all the beer I drank because of the heat, but when the concert was over and I wanted to befriend the freaky cult people handing out stuff in the parking lot to deprogram them, I realized that I perhaps was a little groggy... Anyway, just thought I would fill y'all in on that one - man, those guys can play, but I didn't get my "Wasted on the Way", which I am still mad about. So, what's new with everyone? Miss y'all, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Those Drums! Those Infernal Drums! As I recall (I could swear I read this somewhere), the drums on Jungle Line weren't "professionally" recorded - - it was, like, some Joe with an old portable Sony pointed at the drummers/dancers. The sound quality has never bothered me. At the time, I was so impressed that Joni was using African drums on her album - pop musicians just weren't doing that kind of thing back in the day. Remember? Peace, Larry D NP: Sail On Sailor, Beach Boys Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: yet another confession - jungle line Re: Jungle Line - the drums sounded so awful and distorted on my LP - I couldn't enjoy it. It's less noticeable on the CD, but still to me they sound as if they were recorded poorly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:13:22 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 >The broadcast of pictures of the Hussein brothers > i wonder why they didn't show pictures of his dead 14 year old grandson too-killed in the same raid.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:20:34 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon kakki wrote: > A JMDL'er recently sent me this article from the San Francisco Bay Guardian: > > "The Canyon was on fire- In 1969 the scene in Laurel Canyon was about as > cool as a scene could be. It didn't last." > By Victor Krummenacher > > http://www.sfbg.com/noise/2003-07/laurel_canyon.html > > Kakki editorial comment: Krummenacher casts a rather jaded eye on the Laurel > Canyon "myth" (could be that traditional San Fran thing of looking down the > nose at LA ;-), maybe so. Having grown up in the bay area (but born in LA), I've always been amazed at the stupid "Giants vs Dodgers" froth.... he says And today reunion tours by the Eagles and CSN (the money's got to be good) prove Young's adage that "rust never sleeps" by showcasing bands who burned out but lack the grace to fade away. As you and I know, Kakki, CSN sounds better than ever these days, and they even have some new songs that are quite good- (don't know about the Eagles-to me they are an oldies act with little else going on....) > treats CSN less than kindly, jabs Neil a bit and then > redeems him in the end, but holds Joni up throughout over all of them (even > going so far as to call Travelogue "fantastic") Proof he is a nut case ; ) He starts the article by mixing up the lines from Young's "Revolution Blues". Still interesting, if jaded reading. Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley wrote: > Hi Kiddies, > Just a quick note in case nobody else posted this last night (maybe > Kate of the North - you still here Kate?). I went to CSN last night in > Saskatoon, and lots of Joni references there. First, Crosby talked > about how Saskatoon was this mythic place for them because of the > stories Joni has told them, and then he went on to say how he loved her > but how she wasn't the easiest woman to love, and then Nash said "but we > tried!" and it was kinda funny. Great report, Evian, what a unique event! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:27:06 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: HOSL rediscovering joni hi maggie >>>>maggie wrote > piece of work in this way and one of the reason I have stuck with the list and enjoyed reading everyones raves and comments over the last few weeks, is because I have got back "into " Joni after a break of listening. that is one of the wonderful things about the list. it just brings out an appreciation for joni, and other music which is amazing. i had never heard don juans reckless daughter - never even seen it in a shop here. after hearing about it on the list i ordered it on the web and was just plain rivetted. & i never really appreciated court and spark. after a couple of discussions here, esp in relation to "down to you" i have come to appreciate it as a true masterpiece. when i listen now its just so beautiful, i just really cant take in all the beauty of it. quite possibly a "perfect" album without a single flaw anywhere. and i am now a rabid patty larkin fan after "discogvering" her through this list. >>>> I could explore at Amazon if you could give me titles? would that well, personally i have never heard a bad album from emmylou, tho i must admit i havent heard them all. a great album in a similar vein to wrecking ball, but featuring her own compositions is "red dirt girl", and the live recording of "spy boy" features a nice mix of newer and older stuff with an outstanding band (well, emmylou's bands were all outstanding) bear in mind that her voice has deteriorated over the years due to some kind of problem she has had, so to get the full effect of her incrdible voice of the past you should look at spome of the eralier albums - "pieces of the sky", elite hotel, or luxury liner are all great. a nice low cost intro (tho im surprised to see its fairly expensive on amazon) to her earlier stuff is the first "best of" album - profile - which has got some great tracks - boulder to birmingham, one of these days, you never can tell, easy from now on. if you want to invest a bit extra, the 3 disc boxset is also pretty good. but, as with all artists, working through individual albums is way better than collection sets. i also have a couple of radio broadcasts/live show recordings which i would be only too happy to send your way for trade or b&p. ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:30:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 7/31/2003 9:36:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > Seriously: re: "oversyllabic": but those are precisely > the lines of > Joni's that I love the most. Oh yeah, and I concur. Very much one of the things that puts Joni out in front. When I sang "Talk To Me" last year, one of my challenges was that whole "slings and arrows" to "Romeo, Romeo, Talk to Me" because of the amount of syllables in there. Luckily for me, Marian was very patient and didn't protest when I asked "can we just do that one part again?" :~) What's so cool about when Joni does it is that she makes it seem like such a natural flow. Bob NP: JT, "Let Me Ride" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:12:06 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: hiatus This is an interesting group. I have to take a break for vacation, but I'll re-up when I come back. Thanks, & special thanks to Bob Muller for the great tunes! Richard Flynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:11:34 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: hiatus I had one of those but since i lost weight, it doesn't rouble me anymore. even stopped taking the Protium. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:30:02 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: silly Joni dream Last night I dreamed that the town I live in was becoming a gay mecca. (Yeah, I wish...). Somebody opened a gay and lesbian bookstore on South Main Street, and in the window was a gay-oriented Joni Mitchell songbook called He-jira (as in the male pronoun "He" - get it?) Well, at least I don't dream flat tires. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:28:08 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Mercantile question It's a month later, but... On 26 Jun 2003 at 16:46, Randy Remote wrote: > Hopefully someone will correct the inevitable mistatements below: > > Ruth Davis wrote: > > > Actually two questions: > > > > Is there a source that lists the number of units sold for each of > > Joni's albums? > > I think, before Soundscan, the numbers were kept by the > record company-sort of the fox guarding the henhouse. I > think you have to have an industry "in" to get Soundscan numbers. > That is correct. Soundscan started in 1991. You can get a rough estimate of what Joni has sold over her career by taking the Soundscan number and adding the totals for her gold & platinum certifications. The certifications can be pulled from the RIAA web site: http://www.riaa.org/ You don't have to have an industry in to get Soundscan. You just have to pay for an account. It's very expensive. Most independent labels don't subscribe or they have one account that's shared by their whole staff. As for her current numbers, she has sold 3.6 million across all album titles since Soundscan started. Travelogue has sold 59,139. Both Sides Now has sold 264,345. She is currently selling about 4,500/week. Any other info desired, shoot me an email. B - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:34:43 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Those Drums! Those Infernal Drums! Yeah, Joni "discovered" the track and sampled it because she "recognized a Bo Didley figure in there". If you play some Bo Didley it's pretty easy to see what she means. It's a.... kinda "Iko Iko" shuffle thing. The drums were on a documentary disc and that's all of the clues I'll reveal today. Lama >As I recall (I could swear I read this somewhere), the drums on Jungle Line weren't "professionally" recorded - - - it was, like, some Joe with an old portable Sony pointed at the drummers/dancers. The sound quality has never bothered me. At the time, I was so impressed that Joni was using African drums on her album - pop musicians just weren't doing that kind of thing back in the day. Remember?> From: Jenny Goodspeed >>- the drums sounded so awful and distorted on my LP - I couldn't enjoy it. It's less noticeable on the CD, but still to me they sound as if they were recorded poorly.>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:34:51 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" Not to mention landing onto exactly the right blue note and dropping off in Young-esque dissapointment and depression, slip-sliding to yet another precisely placed blue note. On top of that, the whole song comes to a full stop to immobilize the listener there for a moment, in a blue funk. Even as a grandmother, she couldn't do sing-song if we forced her. It's just not in her. Lama >From perhaps as early as _LOTC_, and certainly _Blue_, Joni threw in extra notes with her voice, and she threw in extra syllables with her lyrics. She could do the reverse, too: note the sheer time, and number of notes, she expended to great effect on one single word and syllable, "blue."> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:37:50 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: CSN <> How awesome! I'm going to see CSN this Sunday night - I wonder if we'll get the same treatment here in Milwaukee? Thanks for the report :) Mia np: Telectro, "Bitter Fable" _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:36:49 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:Learning to play at 42 << From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: whale rider & a wee bit JC Hi Scottish Maggie here, a newbie who has been lurking after diving in several weeks ago. Can anyone tell me their thoughts on this : do you think 42 is to old to try and learn guitar? I come from a very musical family, but I struggled with learning music while trying the piano. Am I dotty and is this the begining of a long and sad regression as part of my mid life crises? Or am I just inspired and a bit awed reading all your muso musings on the list? (-; Help me I think I'm.... Take care Metta Maggie in(V sunny today !!) ALBA >> Maggie: 42 is in NO way too old to learn to play ANYTHING- as long as you don't have a dibilitating ailment that would prevent you from moving your fingers and hands. I just started taking piano lessons about two years ago - at age 58!! - and, while I won't profess to be very good at this point, the personal satisfaction out of being able to play SOMETHING is exhilerating! (At least for me, who has been wanting to learn for so many years and never had the time - or never MADE the time - to learn.) If you really want to learn, even the smallest steps mean so much. Go for it! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 04:06:41 +0000 From: "Marja Tensen" Subject: hejira How is "hejira" pronounced? I've never heard anyone actually say it! - -marja _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:25:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: hejira merriam-webster's dictionary gives two alternative pronunciations (roughly transcribed): HEDGE-er-uh and hedge-EYE-ruh. joni, i don't know why, chooses to pronounce it hezh-EER-uh (the "zh" sounding like the "s" in "pleasure"). wally - ---9:--Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Marja Tensen Enviado el: Viernes, 01 de Agosto de 2003 01:07 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: hejira How is "hejira" pronounced? I've never heard anyone actually say it! - -marja _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #242 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)