From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #240 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, July 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 240 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: astrology book ["Wally Kairuz" ] Subject: Re: Check out By the dawn's early night (vljc) ["Lama, Jim L'Hom] Re: yet another confession [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: yet another confession [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: yet another confession [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Jonifest 2003 Attendees [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: yet another confession [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: yet another confession ["Donna Binkley" ] RE: astrology book ["MC LEA" ] Jungle Line ["Larry D." ] Jonifest Thoughts for those not attending this year [AsharaProducLLC@aol.] Re: Jungle Line [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Jungle Line [tantra-apso ] you missed the trick ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: you missed the trick [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: you missed the trick ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Jungle Line ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Jungle Line/CDs vs Albums/Tapes ["Donna Binkley" Subject: RE: astrology book i don't know what book joni was reading but it sounds very much like one of the books by gary goldschneider. i was looking at them at barnes&noble last february and they have names for the week and day you were born. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de MC LEA Enviado el: Martes, 22 de Julio de 2003 06:14 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: astrology book On the WOHAM dvd, in one of the bonus tracks, Joni mentions a 'brilliant astrology book', but does not give the title. She goes on to say that [presumably according to this book] she was born in the week of depth (or death), on the day of the discoverer. Does anyone have any idea what this astrology book may be? BF, can you help? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:45:51 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: Check out By the dawn's early night (vljc) Everyone, That's the longest piece on our National Anthem ever written by anyone. It's nice to see that the star-maker machinery is being to creak into motion for her. While others may be surprised by her success and praise, it's the same-old Sherelle I've been bragging about for almost a decade. :) You go, girl. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:09:13 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: yet another confession In a message dated 7/28/2003 9:52:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > Such a silly girl I was. Maybe so, but look at the bright side - you've got a NEW Joni CD to enjoy, and a DARN GOOD ONE at that! :~) I can't believe so many bristle at "The Jungle Line". I've always found in fascinating & haunting, like much of HOSL, one thing on the surface, but when you start digging...oh my. Starting with the cover art to her 'mysterious message' inside to the last notes of 'Shadows & Light'. Matter of fact, I almost feel like that was the intention with the song sequencing...let's bait them with a piece of 'Court & Spark'ish pop, like "France", then nail them with something unlike anything they've heard before...Toto, we're not in the city of angels anymore! Then from there Joni seemingly begins the exposition, the tour of the nightspots and the seedy characters, the decaying and broken relationships, the unfulfilled dreams. A series of songs that seem to flow seamlessly from one to the next. Young love kissing in cars slithers away like mouthpiece spit. Every picture has its shadows, and it has some source of light. Bob NP: The Sundays, "so much" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:38:55 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: yet another confession Muller writes: << I can't believe so many bristle at "The Jungle Line". I've always found in fascinating & haunting, like much of HOSL, one thing on the surface, but when you start digging...oh my. >> Armageddon time, Muller! I agree! I have always loved JL ("Jungle Line," not J-Lo!). Kinda strange that I did like this song because for a long time I resented every step Joni took that brought her farther away from "Blue." Now same the "Hejira" I once considered too jazzy is probably my favorite Joni album (for now, anyway). Actually, "Blue" is a classic in one way, and "H" in another. I like 'em both. HOSL is nice, too. And all the other ones. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:49:22 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: yet another confession In a message dated 7/29/2003 9:38:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy writes: > Actually, "Blue" is a classic in one way Especially when one hears Ethel sing it! :~) >I resented every step Joni took that brought her farther away from >"Blue." I suppose that was the benefit of starting my Joni career with C&S, with all of its musical texture. I wasn't expecting the stark solitary sound of a Blue, Clouds, or STAS. With C&S, there were so many sounds that were uniques to my hearing that when those Burundi drummers cranked it up and those grunting synths kicked in it just sounded like more unique sounds. Bob NP: Matthew Sweet, "I've Been Waiting" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:53:06 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003 Attendees Thought everyone would like to see the final number of attendees for Jonifest. There is still a possibility of attending as we had a few cancellations. So, if you are interested in joining us, please let me know right away. Hugs, Ashara Kay Ashley (katfud@earthlink.net) - Brooklyn, NY Jason Avery (jasonavery@hotmail.com) - Hamilton, Ontario Rachel Avery (posall@hotmail.com) - Hamilton, Ontario Kenneth Bausert (PassScribe@aol.com) - East Meadow, New York Bette Benedict (mcbette@webtv.net) - Lambertville, NJ Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas Walt Breen (bigwaltinsf@aol.com) - San Francisco, CA karyn callaghan (karyncallaghan@hotmail.com) - Hamilton, Ontario Sue Cameron (scam1@freeway.net) - Alanson, MI Stephanie Daniels (steph@cix.co.uk) - Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire Alison Einerson (alisone4@yahoo.com) - Salt Lake City, UT Chuck Eisenhardt (chuck@chucke.net) - Arlington, MA Stephen Epstein (frasere@intergate.ca) - Vancouver, B.C. Lori Fye (lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com) - Silver Spring, MD Anita Gabrielle Tedder (steph@cix.co.uk) - Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire Heather Galli (chiaroscuro@snet.net) - Durham, CT martin giles (mlg@ukonline.co.uk) - sudbury, middlesex Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Shutesbury, MA Ron Greer (flopit@mweb.co.za) - Lyttleton, Gauteng, South Africa Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Woodbury, NJ Susan Guzzi (groovchacha@yahoo.com) - Chicago, IL Yael Harlap (yael@alumni.brown.edu) - Ann Arbor, MI Gisele Hawkins (wheezygee@aol.com) - Birmingham, AL Barbara Hindley (barbh@bhindley.com) - Arlington, MA Mags Holden-Gross (magsnbrei@yahoo.com) - Woodbury, NJ Robert Holliston (roberto1011@hotmail.com) - Victoria, British Columbia Lucy Hone (lulu.hone@virgin.net) - Gosport, Hampshire UK Les Irvin (ljirvin@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO jody johnson (johnsonjs@earthlink.net) - Portsmouth, NH Nikki Johnson (stealth@voicenet.com) - Philadelphia, PA Victor Johnson (waytoblu@mindspring.com) - Decatur, Georgia ed jordan (EDWARDJORDAN1@AOL.COM) - ft. myers, fl Rose Marie Joy (rosemjoy@aol.com) - Piscataway, New Jersey Alex Krutsky (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA Lane Latimer (lnltmr336) - Lakepoint , UT patrick leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny JIM LHOMMEDIEU (jlamadoo@yahoo.com) - COVINGTON, KY Barbara Little (balittle@ptd.net) - Tafton, PA Chris Marshall (chris@hatstand.org) - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire Catherine McKay (Anima_Rising@yahoo.ca) - Etobicoke, ON Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA Jack Merkel (merk54@aol.com) - Bartlett, IL David Mingus (MINGSDANCE@AOL.COM) - Fort Myers, Florida John Moore (jmoore@esva.net) - Chincoteague, VA Bob Muller (scjoniguy@aol.com) - Greenville, SC Bob Murphy (murphycopy@aol.com) - Watertown, MA Jack Neilson (meacoustic@yahoo.com) - New Orleans, La. Kerry Nikutta (myrtlmoo@ticon.net) - Milwaukee, WI Gerald Notaro (notaro@stpt.usf.edu) - St. Petersburg, FL Michael Paz (michael@pyramidaudio.net) - Destrehan, La Steve Polifka (polifkas@matc.edu) - Milwaukee, WI Lieve Reckers (reckersl@ebrd.com) - London, United Kingdom Marianne Rizzo (treegreen1@hotmail.com) - West Rush, NY David Rolls (MINGSDANCE @aol.com) - Fort Myers, Florida Les Ross (holdall_birdcall@hotmail.com) - London, Claudia SanSoucie (claud9@comcast.net) - Baltimore, MD Bob Sartorius (bobsart48@aol.com) - Lake Hiawatha, NJ cindy scaglione (cscag333@aol.com) - Tampa, FL Rebecca Seale (Bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com) - Mason, OH Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA Jimmy Stewart (FMYFL@AOL.COM) - Ft. Myers, FL Sarah Stringer (strings@doctors.net.uk) - Magham Down, Nr. Hailsham, East Sussex John van Tiel (johnvantiel@home.nl) - Delfzijl, The Netherlands Cindy Vickery (cindyvickery@yahoo.com) - Birmingham, Alabama Jeff Steve Williams (swtaipei@hotmail.com) - Racine, WI ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:58:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: yet another confession About "Blue," Muller writes: << Especially when one hears Ethel sing it! :~) >> SHE DID IT!?!?! Oh, tell us more, Mr. Muller, tell us more! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:09:25 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: yet another confession Cool Jenny! This will be an album you will grow to love dearly. This must be the week for Hissing cuz I just found a cassette of it for $2.98. Of course I snapped it up! Can't wait to see ya in a week and 2 days! Donna >>> Jenny Goodspeed 7/28/2003 8:52:50 PM >>> I need to confess something too. Though it embarrasses me greatly to admit it, I am delving into Hissing of Summer Lawns for the very first time this week. In college I bought the LP, flipped when I heard In France They Kiss...then listened on in horror as Jungle Line followed. I was too afraid to ever go back and give it another shot. Such a silly girl I was. Been driving around this week in the warm, liquid summer night, windows cranked all the way down, listening to "Don't Interrupt...", "Shades of Scarlet...", and "Hissing..." over and over and over again. Heaven on earth. Jenny oh and Kate, I really dislike that "extra footage" in Shadows and Light too. It always struck me as odd - b/c the scenes are so literal. During Coyote we see footage of a coyote and so on. And Joni edited it herself, yes? Kate Bennett wrote: Blanki ordered & watched the dvd of shadows & light for the first time last night! can you believe i've never seen it?! it was filmed right here in my adopted home town & although it pains me greatly that i was not at that show (having just given birth to my son) i do feel so lucky that it was filmed so i could watch it...i even recognized a few faces in the audience! what a great show, though i could have lived without all the 'creative touches' of video footage that were added (mice?!)...i'd rather just watch the musicians perform as it was such an amazing band... fortunately i was able to see metheny/mayes a few years later when they came back to the bowl, that was an amazing show... kate www.katebennett.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Blank Bkgrd.gif] "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:38:14 +0000 From: "MC LEA" Subject: RE: astrology book Original Question: >On the WOHAM dvd, in one of the bonus tracks, Joni mentions a 'brilliant >astrology book', but does not give the title. She goes on to say that >[presumably according to this book] she was born in the week of depth (or >death), on the day of the discoverer. >Does anyone have any idea what this astrology book may be? BF, can you >help? >From: "Wally Kairuz" >i don't know what book joni was reading but it sounds very much like one of >the books by gary goldschneider. i was looking at them at barnes&noble last >february and they have names for the week and day you were born. >wally Oh Wally, thank you. I did more research based on the author and indeed the book is "The Secret Language of Birthdays" by Goldschneider. I did a quick search in Google groups and found that someone has posted excerpts of the book in, of all things, a smoker's newsgroup! They posted November 6, 8 and 9 but left out the 7th. More tease for me to buy the book. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Jungle Line Interesting to read the "confessions" of people who were frightened, put off and/or turned off by "Jungle Line". HOSL was the second Joni album I ever bought (Court and Spark was the first and I was so in love with that album that I bought the follow-up the first day it came out) and I thought it was a masterpiece, start to finish. And initially, my favorite piece was "Jungle Line". Love those drums, man. Maybe it's a Black thing ... Peace y'all, Larry D www.larry-d.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:03:16 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Thoughts for those not attending this year If anyone that is not attending Jonifest 2003 would like to pass on wishes for the group, please send a private e-mail to me and I will read them at appropriate times throughout the weekend to everyone. This way you will definitely be there in spirit. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:04:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Jungle Line In a message dated 7/29/2003 11:39:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ukulelelarry@yahoo.com writes: > And initially, my favorite piece was > "Jungle Line". Love those drums, man. Maybe it's a > Black thing ... > LOL Larry, those drums are what turned me on to "Jungle Line" too and I'm white :~) btw, I'm looking forward to hearing your version of "Carey" on Covers #48. Jimmy np: Tom Paxton BBC Live Concert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:21:24 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Jungle Line The Jungle Line was my intro to joni back in 75. i heard it on the radio and the next day bought THOSL. I have since bought everything she has done. At elast with her colelction it is like having several different artists spread over allher works. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:05:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: you missed the trick oh but joni used to do this trick. listen: almost every album (except STAS, natch) up to hejira begins with a song that belongs on the previous album. she tricks you into thinking, "hum... more of the same" and then she goes on and gives you something totally different. and you want to die for having taken joni for granted. e.g.: tin angel, very STAS and then chelsea morning -- first truly multilayered joni song (forget about pirate, only two voices). then morning morgantown (very clouds) -- then for free: first REALLY piano song by joni. skip blue, too much of gem for analysis. banquet is very blue but cold blue steel is so jazzy -- first LA express sound. court&spark, FTR sound -- help: absolutely first POP. skip MOA -- live thing, doesn't count here. ok, france, main street (very C&S) and then, and THEN... JUNGLE LINE!!!!! nothing ever is out of place. she is toying with our expectations. at least on those albums. now my confession: i never thought C&S was such a great album but to many people and critics it is supposed to be joni's best and most accomplished. to me blue and hejira are supernaturally GOOD. C&S is very good but i listen to HOSL and DJRD a lot more often than i do C&S. wally, np: til tuesday, "love in a vacuum" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:16:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: you missed the trick In a message dated 7/29/2003 5:05:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > she is toying with our expectations. at least > on those albums. That very well could be, Wally. You make an excellent argument. Could it ALSO be that she has a song leftover from a previous project, doesn't want to include it for royalty issues (she has commented about that), then puts it out on the next one (as the leadoff track to segregate it from the rest), then gets down to what she's up to THEN. I don't know, but I think you do make a very strong point with that pattern. Bob NP: Talking Heads, "No Compassion" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:19:43 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: you missed the trick I agree with you Wally about C&S being inferior to both Blue & Hejira. HOSL is a far better album & "Jungle Line" never bothered me musically--lyrically is another question I don't want to get into right now. DJRD has its moments, but there's a lot of dross on it. Perhaps not too uncommon, I wnated to turn both Chalk Mark and Dog into frisbees, but I refrained. Still can't bear to listen to 'em. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz now my confession: i never thought C&S was such a great album but to many people and critics it is supposed to be joni's best and most accomplished. to me blue and hejira are supernaturally GOOD. C&S is very good but i listen to HOSL and DJRD a lot more often than i do C&S. wally, np: til tuesday, "love in a vacuum" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:51:20 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Jungle Line On first listening and for months after most of THOSL went right over my head. Then without really realising all the pieces of the puzzle began to come together. 'Jungle Line' was the last piece! THOSL is now an album which I can play right through and I'm quite well known to usually press the skip button a lot! I love the groove of the song. You need to turn the volume up to hear the drums properly and get the full benefit! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:20:45 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Jungle Line/CDs vs Albums/Tapes Stephen wrote: On first listening and for months after most of THOSL went right over my head. Then without really realising all the pieces of the puzzle began to come together. 'Jungle Line' was the last piece! Hi all, Stephen hit it on the head for me with his first 2 lines here. The days of albums & tapes "forced" me to listen to songs i may have skipped over before (Jungle Line would have been one), and i am guilty of doing so even still - because of the convenience of cds. But many of the best songs are the ones that a person may skip over at first, let the music wash over them as Maggie stated, then appreciate more fully later upon further listening. I have discovered many more songs by letting the album play through. And I listen more to the whole cd now. My nieces, 8 & 6 yrs. go "What's an album?" love yall, db >>> "Stephen Toogood" 07/29/03 5:51 PM >>> THOSL is now an album which I can play right through and I'm quite well known to usually press the skip button a lot! I love the groove of the song. You need to turn the volume up to hear the drums properly and get the full benefit! Steve This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:42:59 EDT From: bra811@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #376 In a message dated 7/29/03 12:05:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > From: "Steve Anderson" > Subject: HOSL demos?? > > I just saw there is something called Hissing of Summer Lawns demos. I have > some Joni but never heard of that one. Can someone trade with me? Was on the > group a year or so ago and my computer friend so I had to refind groups. > Found you. Thanks for any help. Steve Anderson > Steve, I have a CD which includes a live performance on BBC TV, 10/09/70, and then seven HOSL demos (Shades, Edith, In France, Sweet Bird, Shadows, Dreamland, Boho Dance). I got them from a generous trader on the JMDL. The disc is yours if you would like it. Contact me at bra811@aol.com... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:10:16 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Check out By the dawn's early night (vljc) In a message dated 07/28/2003 7:40:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lfye@cresapartners.com writes: > > At any rate, the article did come out in last Wednesday's Washington > > Times and I wanted to share it with my Joni family. > > > http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20030722-115204-9936r.htm > > How awesome and wonderful, Sherelle! (And it's a well-written and funny > article, too.) > > > I'm also going to be appearing in a musical play on September 25th > > and 26th at the Market 5 Theater (not sure of the exact name) here in > > Washington, DC. > > Is this the place? http://market5gallery.org/contact.htm I never knew the > Gallery > was there, although I've been to the Eastern Market and it's a very > happening place. > > DC-area listers? Wanna?? > > > Lori, > who was blown away by Sherelle at last year's fest Hi Lori! That is indeed the place! I'm still trying to learn my way around DC so I know nothing about the gallery except that it seems to be historic. I'm trying not to let this turn of events overwhelm me so as Valerie Ashford of Ashford and Simpson puts it in her song: "Believe I'm gonna take this ride....Take it to the end of the road..." Love, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:15:13 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #377 The squeaky wheel gets the grease; he who complains the loudest wears the fattest crown, etc. I'm in God's fan club, but I'm not part of those who splash their beliefs or push their ways in people's faces. Yes, it is very disturbing how the end times crowd is working to play out their themes and their books that are poor attempts at second guessing God with who will be "Left Behind." It's nothing short of an attack on Christianity by false prophets that plague every generation. It is just what Joni was singing about in Roses Blue. I think she is right, that if we keep laughing we will win... can't let them get us down, down to the level of hate these fundamentalists have. After all, laughing and crying really do provide the same relief... and laughing is so much more fun. Captive on the carousel of time, Dr. Laura > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:41:11 EDT > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Subject: Re: Bush is so awful(NJC) > > In a message dated 7/29/2003 10:37:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > > >"I don't have a problem with God. It's his fan club I can't stand." > > > But where do I fit in (not that I ever do...)? > > I love God but I detest Bush and his band of idiotic terrorists. I don't > think the problem is religion as much as it is the dumbing down and > gullibility of > the average American, mere putty in the media's hands. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:03:15 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: July 30 1983: Joni performed at the Red Rocks Amphitheater - in the foothills overlooking Denver - in the final concert of the 1983 tour. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:03:15 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 30 On July 30 the following article was published: 1979: "Charles, Joni and the Circle Game" - Village Voice (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=612 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #240 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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