From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #238 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, July 28 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 238 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Transcriptions ["Love Nature" ] Re: Transcriptions [Catherine McKay ] Paging Joseph in Manila [Catherine McKay ] Songbooks ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Nosy ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Remembrances ["J.David Sapp" ] Judee Sill (sjc) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. ["mack watson-bush" <] One of these things just doesn't belong here... ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. [Catherine McKay ] re: Joni songbooks ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Remembrances [Chris Marshall ] Check out By the dawn's early night - The Washington Times: Sports (vljc) [RobSher50@aol.c] Re: One of these things just doesn't belong here... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: One of these things just doesn't belong here... ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Songbooks ["kakki" ] Re: songbooks ["Marian Russell " ] Today's Library Links: July 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Between the Forceps and the Stone??? ["Marian Russell " Subject: Transcriptions I've done transcriptions of the following songs: - - Car On A Hill - - Big Yellow Taxi - - Shades Of Scarlett Conquering - - Furry Sings The Blues - - A Strange Boy - - Song For Sharon - - Off Night Backstreet - - Sunny Sunday - - Harlem In Havana If anyone's intrested and has the Sibelius notation soft, I can send it as an attachment - - Love _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:32:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Transcriptions --- Love Nature wrote: > I've done transcriptions of the following songs: > > - Car On A Hill > - Big Yellow Taxi > - Shades Of Scarlett Conquering etc. Hi, Love. Are you a newbie? I don't remember seeing your name before the last few days and meant to ask the first time I saw it. If so, welcome to the list - if you've been lurking for a while, happy delurking. Eitherway, please stick around! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Paging Joseph in Manila I know it's njc but I'm not sure what list Joseph is on. It sure would be nice to hear from you, J - everything OK? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:20:56 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Songbooks Huh? What? Are you saying Joel is retooling the songbooks? What's going on? Lama np: JT live, after playing "Down From the Mountain" on a rented DVD. Kakki of Los Angeles said, >Unfortunately the piano music is way off on it, but what ordinary person could figure out that music back then? ;-) Hopefully Joel Bernstein will make the necessary corrections on his definitive retoolings of some of the songs.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:32:52 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Nosy Hi Kerry, Good question. Joni's not a snob. She's easy to talk to from what I've read. I haven't spoken to her but when she's eating at a cafe table, she sometimes strikes up a Conversation with other diners. Lama >This is probably way too nosy of a topic, but I am curious how some of the folks on the discussion list know or have met Joni...> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:40:05 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. I never thought that "FOR THE ROSES" was anything less than immaculate. Moses brought it down on the third stone tablet after all. No, changing "FOR THE ROSES" is not possible. I have to put it out of my head right now. :) Lama >Saving discs to real one, with the ability to save only those that one wants. Doing so took me back to the discussion about what tunes we would leave out, add on particular albums. Saving 'ftr', out with electricity. Doesn't fit there, in this mind.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:07:47 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Remembrances I have done this on numerous Joni's over the years and the breakthrough is always such a joy. I can honestly say I have never given up on an album. Mingus was the greatest challenge but thru it I ended up becoming a student of the jazz greats - had never listened to jazz before. Now 25 years later I love the stuff. I just always trusted that Joan had something to teach as well as to enjoy and love. Joni has taught me so much - what a rare gift. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:58:52 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Judee Sill (sjc) Gary posted the All Music Guide bio, which claims >(Mitchell, also signed to Asylum, was at work on >Ladies of the Canyon at the time, which was also >produced by Bob Harris) and Stephen wrote: > I am quite sure though that Joni produced > 'Ladies Of The Canyon' herself like with most > of her albums! Am I right or am I right? I reckon the All Music Guide writer meant Henry Lewy who is credited as 'Engineer and Advisor' on 'Ladies of the Canyon' and co-producer on Judee Sills' two albums. According to this site, he is now retired - http://ww2.mcgill.ca/psychology/levitin/erp/lewy.html "A kindly, gentle presence in the studio, Lewy had the ability to cultivate a mood and set his artists at ease." I'm hoping he's writing his autobiography as well as "sitting in Pacific Palisades looking at the ocean." Kakki wrote: >I think our Steve Dulson (who is very missed) once >wrote a bit about her here. I seem to remember Steve saying he had seen Judee supporting Gordon Lightfoot at The Troubador in LA back in the early 70s - about a week after this article appeared in the LA Herald Examiner http://www.kneeling.co.uk/pages/jsill/lieberman.asp Best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:59:44 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" WROTE: > I never thought that "FOR THE ROSES" was anything less than immaculate. > Moses brought it down on the third stone tablet after all. No, changing > "FOR THE ROSES" is not possible. I have to put it out of my head right now. > :) > > Lama 'For The Roses' has always been a favourite track of mine but initially and for a long time after I was disappointed with the album in general. This is until recently, and just today I realised how much I have warmed to it. I now love every track. I would even say it is more enduring than a particular Joni album! It's now in my top 5. How could I ever of doubted her! Steve NP: 'I Had A Talk With My Woman' - Tim Buckley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:26:22 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Songbooks Is this in the works? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:21:10 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. I don't know exactly Emiliano but I know that on my version I don't have to sit through it anymore which makes me happy. Don't find the tune bad or even poor and enjoy listening to it sometimes but it, to me, is as out of place on this album as this texan is in the state of Wisconsin, so to write. teehee. Couple of the tunes on c and s in the same category, to me. Remember great albums in my life and there was usually at least one stinker on the album that I would have to sit through, especially in the days of eight tracks and even cassettes. Much the same thing when an entire album was a stinker, except for one, and I(we) would wade through the crap for the hot single. I miss the days of buying the one 45 and stacking all the favorites on the turntable, putting it on auto, and falling asleep. The lovely cd alleviates that problem. I know the same thing can be done electronically but I miss the turning, spinning little wheel but don't miss having to get up and change the t.v. station. The local record store has one Joni album, 'misses', maybe it should have been there and maybe it is, haven't looked. later, mack np: gino vanelli-slow love (not up to gino standards)\ Subject: Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. > Hi!, Mack, what you're doing! > > if I understand well, you're making a ".ram" copy of FTR without Electricity in it! > Just for the pain of it? > > I think is surely funny making lists, even Box-sets of Joni. > I'd even confess there are some SIQUOMB's songs I skip sometimes, but > > I can't for the life of me imagine FTR without Electricity. > Doesn't fit? > > Another question? > Where do you put it, so? > > Alarmed: Emiliano, from Galicia > > NP: Lorinda Lisitza (with Karen Mack & Michael Holland), Ray's Dad's Cadillac > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mack watson-bush" > To: "joni" > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:44 PM > Subject: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. > > > > Saving discs to real one, with the ability to save only those that one wants. > > Doing so took me back to the discussion about what tunes we would leave out, > > add on particular albums. Saving 'ftr', out with electricity. Doesn't fit > > there, in this mind. > > > > mack > > > > np: ftr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:57:16 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: One of these things just doesn't belong here... This is interesting to me because knowing Joni there must almost be a method to why each song appears on specific albums, except, of course, DJRD, which she herself admitted to "not getting". So, which song doesn't belong? Guess I will venture to take a guess on one of my favorites, Hissing. I have always felt that "In France They Kiss on Main St." was so very out of place. The obvious hit on the album, but not really in keeping with the concept of life in suburbia. Who's next at venturing a guess? Suze n.p. Claudia and Chris from JoniFest 2001, "Conversation" ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:03:49 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Remembrances Mingus was a complete joy to me. Even though I was very young and really didn't understand, it released the summer of my high school graduation, and in August of that year I got to see Joni live for the first time with the great backing band of Pat, Jaco, etc. For those who haven't tried Mingus in a while, give it a spin. How can you not love "A Chair in the Sky"? As far as meeting Joni is concerned, Kakki hit the nail on the head. There isn't much talking to be done, but listening to that voice speak in person is so magical. Folks along with me in October of 1998 will attest that she is a master storyteller, and any need for interjection is disolved with each midwestern Canadian syllable uttered. Suze Still listening to JoniFest 2001 in anticipation of this year's performances!!!!!! ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. Concerning "Electricity" and its place (or not) on FTR, --- mack watson-bush wrote: > I don't know exactly Emiliano but I know that on my > version I don't have to > sit through it anymore which makes me happy. Don't > find the tune bad or > even poor and enjoy listening to it sometimes but > it, to me, is as out of > place on this album as this texan is in the state of > Wisconsin, so to write. Mack, thou blasphemer! (LOL). FTR is an album that has a very special place in my heart, for reasons that are difficult to explain, because I feel it on an emotional level that's hard to put into words. I simply couldn't imagine it without "Electricity", which also happens to be one of my favourite songs. (Double blasphemy! If I ever come to visit you, best not to play that one, OK?) This whole album transports me back to a time and place that I remember being quiet and snowy. According to the jmdl it was released in October of 72 and I'm sure I got it really soon after its release and I don't think the release date in Canada would have been much different from that date in the USA, but somehow, I remember listening to this album, for what I'm sure was the first time (but I am getting on in age, as our mutual friend, Mr Murphy is so fond of pointing out, so I could be mistaken) looking out a window at snow gently falling, so it feels more like January. If you look at the sequence of songs, it starts off with "See you sometime", Joni's lament for a recently lost love that she can't completely let go of just yet, followed by "Electricity", in which she is possibly giving advice to her old flame's new love. She realizes that old love is gone, and she remembers its spark (but acknowledges that an overload of electricity can be dangerous - you either fry or burn out.) That swings into "You turn me on, I'm a radio" (you need electricity to run a radio, LOL.) Of course, if you don't like it, you don't like it - nothing anyone can do about that (even though you're WRONG lol). That's kind my few cents worth on this humid sticky July day. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:37:30 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Remembrances I still think that it will take me a while to get Mingus. I like 'A Chair In The Sky' and like 'Sweet Sucker Dance' even more. Re: 'In France...' Yeah I always thought that it seemed out of place on THOSL too. Then I liked the song and realised the other strong theme on the album seems to be Woman... "Under neon signs A girl was in bloom And a woman was fading In a suburban room". 'Electricity' I now love and if any song was out of place on FTR it would have to be 'You Turn Me On...'. However it's a nice bit of light relief where as FTR is very deep. Steve NP: 'Wild Is The Wind' - Nina Simone - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suze Cameron" To: "J.David Sapp" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Remembrances > Mingus was a complete joy to me. Even though I was very young and really didn't understand, it released the summer of my high school graduation, and in August of that year I got to see Joni live for the first time with the great backing band of Pat, Jaco, etc. For those who haven't tried Mingus in a while, give it a spin. How can you not love "A Chair in the Sky"? > > As far as meeting Joni is concerned, Kakki hit the nail on the head. There isn't much talking to be done, but listening to that voice speak in person is so magical. Folks along with me in October of 1998 will attest that she is a master storyteller, and any need for interjection is disolved with each midwestern Canadian syllable uttered. > > Suze > > Still listening to JoniFest 2001 in anticipation of this year's performances!!!!!! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:38:15 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni songbooks <> Actually, the Mingus songbook does have the chord figure drawings, but only on two songs: "God Must Be a Boogie Man," and "The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey." Perhaps the reason behind the selection of these two songs is that Joni wrote both the music and lyrics on these. There are some cool photos in the book also. Did someone say the Blue songbook is going for 80 bucks? Good grief, I need that one! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 23:55:30 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Remembrances On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 09:37 PM, Stephen Toogood wrote: > Re: 'In France...' Yeah I always thought that it seemed out of place on > THOSL too. The question is though, if it hadn't have ended up on HOSL (and I so see how it seems to be a bit out of place - a bit light and fluffy compared to much of HOSL) where else would/could it have gone? It might have worked on Court & Spark, but definitely not on Hejira, for instance. IMHO... I'm glad it came out somewhere - we might have run the risk of not hearing it's re-interpretation with Jaco, Metheny, Alias, Brecker and Mays in it's Shadows and Light incarnation. In my opinion, this song really lives and breathes (not to mention kicks ass!) on S&L. I still play along with it (and Free Man In Paris) as a bit of a bass workout. (It's enough to raise a sweat in summertime!) - --Chris Marshall NP: Nickel Creek - The Lighthouse's Tale ShortlyToBePlaying: In France/Free Man In Paris - S&L (and me :) chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:21:23 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Check out By the dawn's early night - The Washington Times: Sports (vljc) Hi everyone, I sent this a while back but I don't think it got to the Joni list because I used my work email instead of Joni list email. At any rate, the article did come out in last Wednesday's Washington Times and I wanted to share it with my Joni family. I'm also going to be appearing in a musical play on September 25th and 26th at the Market 5 Theater (not sure of the exact name) here in Washington, DC. I will be the singing voice of Anita Baker and the name of the musical is, "A Night With Anita Baker." I was doing a couple of numbers for a Marvin Gaye tribute a few weeks ago when a professor from Southeastern University came up to me and asked me to do the musical play. I was a bit skeptical at first, but he came to my office a couple of days later and showed me his credentials and articles from other musical plays he'd put on in the past. So things are starting to come together here musically. A girl I know here in DC has a friend that works for HBO up in New York and asked for my demo. I will keep my fingers crossed on this one. Here is the article and my previous post about Joni below. Take care! Sherelle Click here: By the dawn's early night - The Washington Times: Sports - -----Original Message----- From: Sherelle Smith Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:34 PM To: 'Joni Mitchell (joni@smoe.org)' Subject: Upcoming article in the Washington Times (sjc) Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. I just wanted to let you know that I'm going to have an article written about me that will appear in the Washington Times sometime this week. I sang the national anthem last Thursday and it just so happen that the Times was scheduled to interview our game operations director concerning what it took to put on a pre-game event like the national anthem. They also wanted to talk to someone about what it's like to get up before a large crowd to sing the national anthem being that it is a very difficult song to do. I was more afraid of the interview than I was of actually doing the song! However, the reporter was very nice and I felt completely comfortable and at ease. The next thing I know, there is a photographer at the door wanting to take candid shots of me getting ready vocally in the dressing room, me walking to the arena floor, singing the song, and walking back to the dressing room. (Thank goodness I wore the good dress!) The interview was only supposed to be ten minutes, but it ended up being almost twice as long! Hopefully, this will be favorable. I've also agreed to be in a musical as the singing voice of Anita Baker in a musical about her. The pay isn't great, but it will get reviewed by one of the major papers. Hopefully, I will be able to earn enough money to come to Jonifest next year. My other dream is letting the world know who Joni Mitchell and how profound her musical influence has been on me and so many others. I want to wear my Jonilista badge proudly! If I ever get another interview, I definitely want to go. Unfortunately, this article was supposed to concentrate on what it's like to sing the national anthem and the pitfalls as well as the pleasures of singing the song. I haven't had a chance to purchase or listen to her latest CD to hear her voice, but in my mind, she is such a musical and literary icon, and I would like to see more people perform her music as a tribute to her. I wish there were a college course on her musical imagery. I think that would be great! Well, that's all for now. Take care all! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:59:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: One of these things just doesn't belong here... In a message dated 7/27/2003 3:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, suze_1@lycos.com writes: > Who's next at venturing a guess? > Off the top of my head, the obvious one is "Pirate Of Penance" from STAS. Where the balance of the other songs are all song-stories, seemingly inspired by some real-life incidents, with challenging yet lovely melodies, the Pirate has this jarring irritating sound to it, and lyrically seems rather silly and overly cryptic, like Gilbert & Sullivan on acid or something. I say make this Pirate walk the plank...kasploosh! Bob NP: Elvin Bishop, Don't Let The Bossman Get You Down" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:12:34 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: One of these things just doesn't belong here... > So, which song doesn't belong? Guess I will venture to take a guess > on one of my favorites, Hissing. I have always felt that "In France > They Kiss on Main St." was so very out of place. The obvious hit on > the album, but not really in keeping with the concept of life in > suburbia. > > Who's next at venturing a guess? I'll play! "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" on FTR. What's THAT doing there?? Lori NP: One of the cats, meowing down the hall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Low Subject: In debt to Joni I havent posted anything in ages, so I hope no one will mind me interrupting the various conversations going on here at the moment. I have been provoked into this post by hearing yet another musician acknowledge Joni Mitchell as a major influence. Such acknowledgements to Joni seem to be a regular thing. Even way down under we keep hearing them from visiting musicians and locals. The particular musician this time was the Irish singer/songwriter Brian Kennedy (some might recall him playing with Van Morrison) who appeared on a local radio program of roots music I listen to on Saturdays. (Jmdler Gerald will know it Im sure  Brian Wises Off the Record ) Anyway, Kennedy acknowledged his discovery of open tunings to Joni, mentioning her several times. Another I recall mentioning a debt to Joni was a dynamic young singer from Canada who played with her band at the Blue Mountains Folk & Roots Festival earlier this year. Perhaps some of our Canadian jmdlers will know Ember Swift. She really is a talented and exciting young performer and got a great response at the festival. I think she toured other parts of OZ before she went home. Has a list of musicians who have acknowledged a debt to Joni Mitchell ever been compiled? I bet it would be enormous! Cheers to all, John (in Sydney) Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:41:41 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Songbooks Lama and David asked about the revising of Joni's songbooks by Joel Bernstein. I thought I'd read all about it here on the list from someone in the know awhile back but I could be wrong. I did hear that he was supposed to be re-doing some of the music transcriptions to make them more true to Joni's tunings, etc. and that he was under contract to the (I think) Warner/Reprise publishing arm to do so. If or when it will happen, I don't know. The transcriptions for Joni's songs in the Hits and Misses songbooks were "re-tooled" by him. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:01:16 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: Re: songbooks I have had extremely good luck finding Joni's songbooks through: www.abe.com They've started to include CDs and vinyl in the results which is kind of annoying, but I just entered "Joni Mitchell" and got, as one of the items, the hard-to-find Blue songbook (going for $75 - kind of expensive, but still...) Another good place, one of the suppliers I found through abe, is : www.powells.com At powells, you can register and give a list of the books you are trying to find and they will notify you if the book ever comes in. I got an extremely good deal from them on one Joni songbook (don't remember which one anymore, but it was less than $10 from Powells and on eBay the auction was usually closing at more than $30. I was glad I waited. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:02:47 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 28 On July 28 the following article was published: 1966: "Rising Folksinger From Saskatoon Discusses Career" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=639 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:20:13 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: Between the Forceps and the Stone??? Has anyone ever heard of this book: MITCHELL, JONI "BETWEEN THE FORCEPS AND THE STONE": SELECTED LYRICS FROM 25 YEARS Contre Coup Press Louisville 1996 1ST EDITION #7of10copies Very Fine copy 8 photos by Noel Hawley 8vo cloth/bds 36pp 1/4 cloth over paper boards;set in cochin type,printed on NIDEGGEN paper. In original mylar dj 8 TIPPED-IN ORIGINAL PHOTOS BY NOEL HAWLEY Bookseller Inventory #003360 Marian Vienna ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #238 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)