From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #237 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, July 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 237 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Even more Joni songbooks [Chris Marshall ] Re: Remembrances (sjc) ["kakki" ] Songbooks ["kakki" ] a song for the season ["bill johnson" ] Jaco/Joni connection ["Love Nature" ] hypocrites ["Love Nature" ] hypocrites ["Love Nature" ] Re: a song for the season [Deb Messling ] Re: a song for the season ["David Rahall" ] Re: Even more Joni songbooks [Catherine McKay ] Re: a song for the season [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni/Led/Crows et al [Bobsart48@aol.com] What will you give me? ["michael o'malley" ] Re: What will you give me? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Remembrances (sjc) ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: MOA on CD ["Jerome" ] Joni on HDCD, was Re: Andrea 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: joni's songbooks ["Stephen Toogood" ] re: Joni and Led Zep.....and Chelsea Morning ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Nosy ["kakki" ] albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. ["mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Even more Joni songbooks On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 11:50 PM, Jupydoo@aol.com wrote: > got to love Barnes and Noble. After sending my lst link, i discovered > this as well. Includes some biography stuff, too, but also everything > you could want as far as songbooks go: > > http://search.barnesandnoble.com/OopBooks/ > OopResults.asp?userid=3Y8EO335C5&keyword=joni+mitchell Someone give this girl a gold star!!! I would go right out and order the DJRD songbook, but I've almost certainly been beaten to the punch on the one remaining copy available. Court & Spark it is then. So much quality stuff there though (oh, and Chalk Mark :) :) :) - I had no idea it was all so readily available still. Thanks again! - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:25:35 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Remembrances (sjc) Lama asked: > Speaking of chutzpah, Kakki, did I read it right? You told her it took you 20 >YEARS to "get" DJRD?! That took some brass..... I sure did! (but only to emphasize my loyal love and affection for her work ;-) Told her I kept listening to it repeatedly trying to get it and then finally there came the breakthrough. She laughed and acknowledged she also didn't know what she was doing at the time on some stuff. I thought it was great and showed she let the muse lead her, without calculation. And just to add to the Steely Dan thread, I've never gotten any of their innuendos and still don't even after some of the explanations here - sometimes it's better not to know, eh? Just groove with the tunes - haha. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:34:56 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Songbooks Joni's first songbook (with all the unreleased gems) is a must have. I only had that one and Blue until the birth of eBay. Now I have all of them except DED. Bought the rare DJRD from Wally Breese for a web site fundraiser. Unfortunately the piano music is way off on it, but what ordinary person could figure out that music back then? ;-) Hopefully Joel Bernstein will make the necessary corrections on his definitive retoolings of some of the songs. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 05:49:43 -0500 From: "bill johnson" Subject: a song for the season Since nobody else mentioned it, and I think it's a new release, I must leave lurk-mode to tell you of some new(?) Joni. Last week on NPR I heard a wonderful version of Summertime with Wayne S., and Stevie W. on harmonica, and Herbie H. I must say Joni sounded better on this one song than anything she did on the last 2 releases. The album is Herbie's and a tribute to Gershwin. Bill from IL, who loves Coltrane and Joni's Jaco years _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:55:26 +0300 From: "Love Nature" Subject: Jaco/Joni connection Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:11:44 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Jaco/Joni connection >... Finally, just as I am sending my child off to college, she is enlightened not by me but by the bassplayer she stalks. Peace, Sue N.P. Off Night Backstreet > I've always had a feeling Joni's singing about Jaco on Off Night Backstreet. Do you have any surety on my perception? Then, does anyone know more about the Jaguar campaign where Joni played Case of You with Brian Blade on drums and Richard Bona on bass? I think the campaign has been done less than a year ago. - - Love _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:17:56 +0300 From: "Love Nature" Subject: hypocrites >"Enter the multitudes >of Exon Blue and >Radition Rose". >I feel Joni was refering to all the hypocrites that went into chuches on >Sunday, but worked for the power Industries during the week that were >poullting the enviorment, thinking they were of pure heart, but by day they >were tyrants. Just a thought... Peace, >Mingus >Well David, Jesus would probably say "Let the first among you who DOESN'T >support a power plant in some way cast the first stone..." >Also just a thought. >Bob >Joni does a pretty good job of polluting the environment with all the cigs >she smokes. Steve >Don't we all give a certain amount of lip service to protecting the >environment? I drive a car (all too often without a passenger), smoke >ganja, drink coffee (typically a crop that has a very negative impact on >the soil), use plastic ... and I know I shouldn't do any of those things. >I do try to be earth-sensitive, but I could do a better job. > > >Meanwhile, I can't imagine that Joni's cigarette smoking causes more > >damage than, say, any one of us idling our car while the train rushes by. > >not mention the elctricity we all use...or the methane we produce..... > >plus the mountians of rubbish..... > >Lori Pure hypocrites! A typical way to avoid a bad conscience is to hide himself behind all the pollution causes saying there are too much sources that pollute the nature. Do recycle and drive your cars as less as possible. Especially fastfood-countries have lot to learn in that. I think Steve and Mingus threw some good thoughts. - - Love _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:19:50 +0300 From: "Love Nature" Subject: hypocrites N.P. Te Misea by Richard Bona - - Love _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:47:08 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: a song for the season The name of Herbie's album is Gershwin's World. She also sings The Man I Love. It was released in 1998. At 05:49 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Since nobody else mentioned it, and I think it's a new release, I must >leave lurk-mode to tell you of some new(?) Joni. Last week on NPR I >heard a wonderful version of Summertime with Wayne S., and Stevie W. on >harmonica, and Herbie H. I must say Joni sounded better on this one song >than anything she did on the last 2 releases. The album is Herbie's and a >tribute to Gershwin. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:48:52 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: a song for the season Thanks for the heads up, Bill from IL! I'll be checking this cd out. Joni singing "Summertime" sounds like my cuppa tea. Actually, Joni singing just about anything... Hi all, btw! I'm another brand newbie- a major Joniphile since I was a teenager (I'm 45 now). David NP- Travelogue - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:49 AM Subject: a song for the season > Since nobody else mentioned it, and I think it's a new release, I must leave > lurk-mode to tell you of some new(?) Joni. Last week on NPR I heard a > wonderful version of Summertime with Wayne S., and Stevie W. on harmonica, > and Herbie H. I must say Joni sounded better on this one song than anything > she did on the last 2 releases. The album is Herbie's and a tribute to > Gershwin. > > Bill from IL, who loves Coltrane > and Joni's Jaco years > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Even more Joni songbooks --- Chris Marshall wrote: > On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 11:50 PM, > Jupydoo@aol.com wrote: > > got to love Barnes and Noble. After sending my lst > link, i discovered > > this as well. Includes some biography stuff, too, > but also everything > > you could want as far as songbooks go: > > > > http://search.barnesandnoble.com/OopBooks/ > > > OopResults.asp?userid=3Y8EO335C5&keyword=joni+mitchell > > Someone give this girl a gold star!!! > Before everyone gets TOO excited, most of what's on there is old records and not old books. You don't find this out until you go into the items and check them out individually. They did have some "Court and Spark" books and they had one "Blue" book and one "Joni Mitchell Songbook". I think there was at least one "For the roses" songbook (I recommend this for the fact it doesn't use standard tunings for all the songs). Unfortunately any of the "Night ride home", "DJRD", "Mingus", and oh yeah, "Dog eat Dog" were NOT songbooks after all. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:07:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a song for the season In a message dated 7/26/2003 7:52:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dasaff@bellsouth.net writes: > Hi all, btw! I'm another brand newbie- a major Joniphile since I was a > teenager (I'm 45 now). > Hi David, and a big welcome, and also a big thanks to the de-lurkers...STAY OUT HERE AND PLAY! Yes, I'm shouting because new voices rule! Everyone has something special to offer, so keep those thoughts coming. As for "Summertime", it's really great, as is the other Joni track Deb referred to. Joni also performed Summertime live at the Day In The Garden appearance in '98 with Mark Isham on trumpet - totally excellent. Bob, who's awfully glad he's not doing a Gershwin covers project! NP: The Cure, "Love Cats" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:23:29 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Led/Crows et al In a message dated 7/26/03 3:01:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Now, if only I could find evidence that she knew/knows Jimmy Page/Robert > Plant:) > - -Juniper > > Welcome, Juniper, It is great for us older fans to learn that Joni's work seems to be getting appreciated more and more by succeeding generations of listeners (through and including the current one). Do you think her music will be appreciated beyond your generation ? My daughter Leah (now 23) is among the recently converted. She is working on her boyfriend at the moment. (The converts are usually the most zealous, no ?). I assume you know that Robert Plant and Jimmy Page are (publicly acknowledged) big Joni admirers. I believe there is a story out there to the effect that when they met Joni, they were temporarily dumbstruck. One of the other listers can probably provide details. Did you read my post the other day (Wednesday) from Adam Duritz's on-line diary ? If not, check it out. Bob Sartorius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:40:42 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: What will you give me? Picked this out of the recent article Les posted, Rising Folksinger from Saskatoon Discusses Career (Saskatoon StarPheonix, July 28, 1966) Another song, "What Will You Give Me", desribes in nostalgic terms the longing of a prairie native who is far away from home, in a moment of regret. Never heard of this one. Anyone? Michael in Quebec NP: the falling rain ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:18:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What will you give me? In a message dated 7/26/2003 10:38:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelo@webnet.qc.ca writes: > Never heard of this one. Anyone? > It's on the "unreleased" list on JM.com, although there are no lyrics listed: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Unreleased.html When you get a recording of it, please lemme know! :~) Bob NP: Fugazi, "Cashout" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:40:52 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Remembrances (sjc) Shall we break down one more lascivious Steely Dan lyric? "Cousin Dupree" is yet another down-and-out grownup and he's mooching at his aunt's house. Dupree is ogling on his luscious cousin while he's pretending to read a newspaper. Donald and Walter tip us off that he's ogling when they choose the name of the newspaper. Ready? "I was sittin' there reading the National Probe as I was watching her wax her skis." Kakki, I don't want to shock you dear, but when someone waxes skis, they have a steady, rhythmic, back and forth action. They put a "visual" in your head right after they put the word "probe" in you head. That's innuendo. Do you get it? If not, would you like to? :) Oh no! Now I'm doing it! Lama From: "kakki" I've never gotten any of their > innuendos and still don't even after some of the explanations here - > sometimes it's better not to know, eh? Just groove with the tunes - haha. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:19:19 -0700 From: "Jerome" Subject: re: MOA on CD For what it's worth, my HDCD copy of MOA seems to be complete. All the patter is back and better than ever. The Gomer Pyle outburst lives on... - -J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:16:25 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on HDCD, was Re: Andrea 100% JC Not to mention the stories, the songwriting, the players, the solos, the cover layout, the paintings..... :) Lama From: "Stephen Toogood" >I was always amazed how good Joni's HDCD's sound compared to other artist CD's from around the 60's and 70's. I think the booklets are better too, more photos!> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:19:54 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on HDCD, was Re: Andrea 100% JC And now I have to go purchase HDCD version! Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:21:03 -0700 From: "Kerry Berghoff" Subject: Nosy This is probably way too nosy of a topic, but I am curious how some of the folks on the discussion list know or have met Joni... KerryGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:38:47 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: joni's songbooks Yep me too. I have a mint condition copy of THOSL song book. I guess I'm just hoping that I'll be able to play 'Shades Of Scarlet...' on the piano some day. I saw the Mingus song book on eBay last night and the highest bid was rather low if I remember right and that one IS in altered tunings. Also followed the link to Barnes & Noble used section and they are selling a used Blue songbook for nearly $80! Steve NP: 'Ladies Of The Canyon' - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Stephen Toogood" ; "Joni List" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: Re: joni's songbooks > --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I > think there was, but I'm guessing that there > > aren't that many around and I > > think the chords are for standard tuning. > > I'm quite sure that the only album that was never > > available in songbook > > format was DED. > > No guesses for why not! > > Unfortunately most of the music books ARE in standard > tuning so I'm not even totally sure why I bother > getting them but still, I've just GOTTA GET 'EM ALL! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:53:31 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni and Led Zep.....and Chelsea Morning Welcome to the list, Juniper! It's great to see that Joni has an increasing number of younger fans! <> I read a Led Zeppelin Biography once that talked about Jimmy Page being sooooo in love with Joni. The book even revealed Jimmy Page's biggest fantasy of having Joni sitting on the foot of Page's bed, singing and playing guitar to him :) <> Here's a copy of a transcription I posted to the list several months back regarding Chelsea Morning. Joni spoke these words during a live performance at a small club during the late 60's: ""Well, that's one morning, sunshine, love, and rainbow song. And I have another. It was written much later, and in a different place. You see, a long time ago I purchased some stained-glass windows that were about to be demolished because they were wrecking the house for unwed mothers that they were in - the unwed mothers were without, ofcourse - and I rescued them for five dollars each. And took them back to a very peaceful place and set them up in my windows. And every morning when the sun came up, the rainbow came in. Then one day, I moved to New York City, which is a very different place - - very different for writing under, because it's noisy all the time. So I put my stained-glass windows up. And I covered out all of the sky which was about that much in one corner, above the church, a postage stamp piece of sky. And I wrote a very different morning, rainbow, sunshine, and love song - - noisy as New York City." Now there is conflicting info in Karen O'brien's bio which tells a different story of Joni and her friend making a mobile out of broken colored glass pieces and hanging the mobile in the window. If Joni's spoken words are not true word for word, at least the concept behind the song is. For she was an unwed mother too! In another song, "Morning Morgantown" she sings: "I'd like to buy you everything,...... A window full of colored rings.." So perhaps she rescued the stained-glass windows by giving them life inside of her songs! Mia - npimh: Joni ,"Songs to Aging Children Come" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:05:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nosy In a message dated 7/26/2003 1:22:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kilauren@msn.com writes: > This is probably way too nosy of a topic, but I am curious how some of the > folks on the discussion list know or have met Joni... > Kerry, when I saw her in Atlanta in '98, I was hanging out with a group of JMDL'ers, and since we knew she had been staying at Ritz Carltons we went to the one in Atlanta and hung out in the lounge. There was most of her band, but no Joni. But then, lo & behold, here she comes. We had the waitress send over a bottle of champagne, and when Joni questioned her, the waitress pointed over to us and Joni motioned over to us to come & talk to her (or come & listen to her as the case may be). It was, to say the least, mind-blowing yet very relaxed all at the same time. Joni couldn't have been more gracious or kind. She even consented to let us enjoy a "Kodak Moment", my picture with Joni is attached for proof that it really did happen! Bob NP: Sparklehorse, "Comfort Me" [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Me & Joni.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 17:03:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: joni's songbooks the mingus songbook has the alternate tunings but... it doesn't have the chord figures! you know, the little drawings with fret number and finger positions. i don't have it but i remember seeing it once. i used to go to casa ricordi in buenos aires to memorize joni's tunings when i was a teenager. i couldn't very well copy them right there in front of the attendants -- all of them jazz musicians and VERY aware of what i was after! the joni songbooks were always displayed in the jazz section. so i tried to create words in my head, like DAD CROSS FAD (the cross for the sharp, wasn't i clevah?) and write the tunings down as soon as i left the store but i could remember only two or three tunings at most because my memory was ALWAYS terrible. of course, then i had to figure out the chords but that wasn't a big deal. well, anyway, when i saw the mingus book i noticed the chords were not there. they used to have all the books up to mingus, except STAS. i never saw that one. mingus was the last album in those years. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Stephen Toogood Enviado el: Sabado, 26 de Julio de 2003 02:39 p.m. Para: Joni List Asunto: Re: joni's songbooks I saw the Mingus song book on eBay last night and the highest bid was rather low if I remember right and that one IS in altered tunings. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:12:15 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Nosy Kerry asked: > This is probably way too nosy of a topic, but I am curious how some of the > folks on the discussion list know or have met Joni... When Joni started touring again in 1998 and 2000, quite a few people on the list met her after the shows. Another large group from the list met up with her at her art exhibit in Saskatoon. A group of about 8 of us were invited to meet her after the Painting with Words and Music taping in '98 in LA. In '99 a few of us met her during an exhibit of her paintings in Hollywood where she spent most of her time outside the back door smoking and chatting with people. The third time I met her was by chance in a restaurant with yet another JMDLer! It is really amazing that so many on the list (I'm guessing over 50 people) have gotten the chance to meet and talk with her in recent years. It says something about her accessibility and friendliness. Kakki, wishing she'd have some more painting exhibits in LA! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:44:45 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. Saving discs to real one, with the ability to save only those that one wants. Doing so took me back to the discussion about what tunes we would leave out, add on particular albums. Saving 'ftr', out with electricity. Doesn't fit there, in this mind. mack np: ftr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:12:33 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. Hi!, Mack, what you're doing! if I understand well, you're making a ".ram" copy of FTR without Electricity in it! Just for the pain of it? I think is surely funny making lists, even Box-sets of Joni. I'd even confess there are some SIQUOMB's songs I skip sometimes, but I can't for the life of me imagine FTR without Electricity. Doesn't fit? Another question? Where do you put it, so? Alarmed: Emiliano, from Galicia NP: Lorinda Lisitza (with Karen Mack & Michael Holland), Ray's Dad's Cadillac - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mack watson-bush" To: "joni" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. > Saving discs to real one, with the ability to save only those that one wants. > Doing so took me back to the discussion about what tunes we would leave out, > add on particular albums. Saving 'ftr', out with electricity. Doesn't fit > there, in this mind. > > mack > > np: ftr ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #237 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)