From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #207 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 28 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 207 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Mercantile question [Ruth Davis ] the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears ["Jerry Notaro" ] The "missing music" from DTY [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: bloody funny [Catherine McKay ] Perma-vine rules [Rick and Susan ] Today's Library Links: June 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:56:10 GMT From: Ruth Davis Subject: Re: Mercantile question Thanks for the info, Randy. I guess I'll stop feeling guilty for buying "previously owned" Joni CD's. She's not doing too shabby! Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:46:31 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears "Anyone can write a boring artistic song. Pop music is the hardest shit to write." - - Britney Spears (Rolling Stone, page 18, July 12th, 2003.) Lord, save us. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:32:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears In a message dated 6/27/2003 12:47:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > Pop music is the hardest shit > to write." > Well, there's some truth & merit to what she says...if writing a classic pop song like Buddy Holly & John Lennon & Paul McCartney & Carole King did repeatedly, then EVRYONE would do it. However, I would suggest that Britney has yet to do it. Joni struggled with writing hit songs...albeit she didn't try really, but I think her writing habits were so complex and literary, she almost was unable to "dumb it down" for pop music. Don't take that to mean that pop is dumb or easy, it's just a whole different level of writing than writing the kind of stuff that Joni does...or should I say ....did. :~( Bob NP: Finch, "What It Is To Burn" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:36:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears In a message dated 6/27/2003 2:34:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > if writing a classic pop > song like Buddy Holly &John Lennon &Paul McCartney &Carole King did > repeatedly, then EVRYONE would do it. Meant to say..."if it was EASY, then everyone would do it".... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:18:51 -0400 From: "Robert Argento" Subject: RE: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears Dear Britney, Igoring the difficulties of WRITING music and poetry and the combination thereof, and even ignoring the methods and talents used to make them popular, I would venture to say that it is much more difficult to UNDERSTAND and therefore appreciate these "boring and artistic" songs than to consume/absorb popular music. It is very seldom, indeed, that art, especially of the more intellectual sort, is understood by the the majority of people, in any culture. If that was so we would all be quite a a lot wiser and quite a lot mellower. Someone once said that "Football is ALSO culture". I suppose that is a matter of definition - but to me art is something that makes my soul grow and awakens in me a deeper sense of being. Yes, I may watch an occasional football game and even listen to Britney now and again, but certainly not to fertilize the soul. Robban > -----Original Message----- > From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro > Sent: den 27 juni 2003 12:47 > To: 'Joni' > Subject: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears > > > "Anyone can write a boring artistic song. Pop music is the > hardest shit to write." > - Britney Spears (Rolling Stone, page 18, July 12th, 2003.) > > Lord, save us. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:39:26 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears The girl is obviously retarded, which had escaped me until now. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:59:18 +1000 From: ash Subject: bloody funny Hi from a Wintery Tasmania!! me?...Ashley 45..living in Australia for 18 years now, escaped a Thatcher Manchester/London UK. I have been receiving your emails since April and have found great amusement in reading them! Joni or Joan has always been in the background of my music listening, I was brought up on classical, Movie scores, Blues, Jazz, Pop, Rock N Roll and Musicals. In England I have been thru Rock, Folk, Glam Rock, Disco,Punk, New Wave, Heavy Metal, Celtic, techno the whole Gamut/range..so open to anything that lifts the spirit. On arrival in Australia...my record (those flat black frisbee things) buying was curtailed by having a family and also missing the John Peel show ( a late night BBC radio show..still going?) for any musical guidance. I would however see the odd CD, record or cassette to put in the gaps of my music collection. So in February this year a friend at work said he had recorded a show from the TV the night before.....so I watched the TV show and was about to switch off when the Isle of Wight Festival came on...(yes he had recorded over it!!) and there was Joni Mitchell...I am ashamed to say...my 1st thought was..."bloomin hippie" (er maybe I should explain in 1970...I was trying to be cool...Love, Doors, Free, Zapa?,Airplane...yes all my mates sisters collection, I was more in to the Beatles than the Stones.....long hair, Afghan coat, flairs..age 13 with acoustic guitar which I could not play and saying 'Way out maaan' and 'cool daddyo' all this in a very cold INDUSTRIAL Stockport/Manchester weather...bbrrrr .....at this period....skin heads were in and hippies were beaten up!!!).. but I watched Joni/Joan on that stage on the video and when she spoke to the crowd "Listen a minute, will ya?" etc....well my neck hair stood up....wow..such power...I replayed that tape over and over and showed the kids it ( 11, 14 and a 16 year old) at this time the oldest said hey she has ripped off the people singing Yellow Taxi!!...ahh well! So down to the book shop/store and ordered books on Joni/Joan....Karen O'Brien's and Brian Hinton's...all these I found interesting...but seem to dwell on Joni/Joan's love life a bit much and found she is a day after my birthday.....I knew it!...we were soul mates... :) LOL!!! I then looked at my record collection......(women singers) Clannad, Corrs, Kate Bush, Bangles, Go Gos, Judi Tzuke, Jewel, Pat Benatar, Heart, Stevie Nicks, Annie Haslem (Renaissance) Sandy Denny, Maddy Prior..alas no Joni..so went around all my friends (mainly their wives/partners) and a few did have some 'of those Joni Mitchell records somewhere'...!!!!!!! So I ordered a few CDs and sat down and really listened to her music......something I had not done in years (last time in the mid 70's?) armed with record sleeve song sheets, the 2 biographies.....a sunlit Saturday morning over looking a harbour/port view, decent coffee, a comfy chair, headphones and wife and kids out at sport, for most of the day. To say this was magical, is an understatement...it was breath taking, an emotional journey..all those feelings of being a hippy in my teens and now a semi greenie....well it confirmed that the 70's I despised were not that bad and the musical voice I was searching for was Ms. Mitchell's (yes I had tinkered with Marianne Faithfull..tut tut), but to move me like that was so amazing. So after this....I surfed the net for anything on Joni/Joan and found you lot!! I hope this is not to boring??? Ash also my wife thinks I am potty..for having this 'thing' about Ms Mitchell..but as I have too few vices...she is okay about this (yes I have this 'thing' about Greta Scacchi too....well I met her once in London...well I think I did!!)..But If I met Ms Mitchell?.....I would just nod...she would know...that I thought of her as brilliant... I just thought I would write this!!!!!!! Loved the comment on the Christian Right.....ooops!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:35:30 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: The "missing music" from DTY As many of you know, I was searching for the (piano) sheet music for "Down To You" for quite some time before several fans sent me copies from books they had. Someone not even related to the Joni fan movement read of my search and actually went to a library, found a book with that song in it and photocopied/sent me another copy. To all who helped me in this endeavor, I thank you... music lovers are the greatest! However, none of the sheet music I've received for DTY has that great opening piano solo that most of us love so much; there are eight missing measures. I asked my piano teacher, Colleen, if she could help me transcribe it from the actual song. She accepted the challenge and even worked on the task at home (is she a great teacher or WHAT?) I now have the missing music that she has written down which segues perfectly into the brief piano solo that IS at the beginning of the published sheet music. It should be noted that Colleen is not even a huge Joni fan but she absolutely LOVES this song and thinks this opening is especially beautiful. If anyone would like a copy, simply e-mail me with your name & address and I'll send it out to you. I imagine some of you, who are accomplished pianists, could probably listen to the song and duplicate that beginning yourselves. But if you can't (or if you're like me and like to have a COMPLETE copy of everything) then you may want this addition for your collection. Keep in mind; I listened to her play it and it sounds pretty "right" to me but Colleen's transcription may not be perfect. So, if I send you a copy and you think there's a wrong note or something, let me know; maybe between us all, we can come up with a perfect note-by-note transcription to fill the void on the original sheets. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:01:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bloody funny Welcome to the list, Ash. There are (or were) other Tazmaniacs on this list at one time. Maybe we scared them off? And you know, sooner or later, we all find our way back to Joni. Well, some of us do. The better ones. --- ash wrote: > Hi from a Wintery Tasmania!! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:51:26 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Perma-vine rules Could the person who initiated the Joni and James Perma-vine please send me a copy of the rules? I seem to have deleted all reference to it and I have a Perma-vine original disc and a burned copy to send off to someone. Thanks Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 02:11:47 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 28 On June 28 the following items were published: 1967: "$1.75 admission" - Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=642 2000: "Minutes" - Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=708 2000: "Saskatoon gallery hosts Joni Mitchell retrospective" - CBC Entertainment (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=530 2002: "Tower Pits the Garden Crowd Against Joni Mitchell Fans" - New York Times (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=900 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #207 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)