From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #204 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 25 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 204 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- S&L DVD ["Laurent Olszer" ] Michael McDonald [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Two questions [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE; two questions [Acfg59@aol.com] Re: RE; two questions [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] SHADOWS And LIGHT (DVD ReMastered ReIssue) [simon@icu.com] Woman Of Heart And Mind (UK - DVD) [simon@icu.com] Neil Must See ["Music Is Special" ] two questions / new "in france" & "same situation" covers???? ["ron" ] Re: Jericho cover???? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Today's Library Links: June 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:20:44 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: S&L DVD Hello Simon Thanks and bravo for the comprehensive comparison of S&L various releases. If I understand correctly, since I own the Japanese laserdisc (which is superb in quality) there's no point in getting the DVD, right? Since you appear to be well informed, perhaps you could answer another question: the sound on my Refuge of the Roads laser disc is inferior to all other laser discs. Any ideas about that? That would be a great incentive for me to buy the Refuge DVD if the sound is good. Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:16:05 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Michael McDonald Michael McDonald performed live this morning on All Things Considered. He has a new cd called Motown and her sang them solo at the piano. Among them were songs by Stevie Wonder and Ashford and Simpson. If there was anyone else in the car I would have had to pull over. They are absolutely amazing. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:23:59 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Two questions Bob Muller asked: > Q.1) Who can find the Joni song in this list; > Q.2) What the feck is it doing in this book? > > http://www.activemusician.com/market/items/HL_00240152.as > A.1 I can. I did. (You did not ask for the name of the song - I only answer the question asked) A.2 I have no f...ing idea what it's doing in this book. Q.3 How the f... did you find IFTKOMS (oops !) in this fake book ? Q.4 Why the f... did I go rummaging through that list of 400 songs to find it ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:07:29 EDT From: Acfg59@aol.com Subject: RE; two questions Speaking of Christian covers, Nichole Nordeman, a fantastic singer/songwriter covers one song on each of her CD's--and very well, I might add. First, Peter Gabriel's IN YOUR EYES, then Stevie Wonder's AS. I keep wondering which song of Joni's would be good for her to do. As far as Christians turning a song or two into "atrocities," I have heard some pretty bad stretches, but my favorites are simply love songs, and they can apply to everyone -- whether it is sung to a lover of the human kind, or a Lover of the spiritual kind. :) Anyway--again, this artist Nichole Nordeman is clever and talented, and very young! I cannot wait to hear her growth, as I've watched the same in Joni through the years. Peace- Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:45:35 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE; two questions In a message dated 6/24/2003 9:07:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, Acfg59 writes: > I keep wondering which > song of Joni's would be good for her to do. Passion Play & Love would be good choices; and they might even be a hit since they're both beautiful songs without a wide audience. Bob NP: Santana, "Se A Cabo" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:32:25 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: SHADOWS And LIGHT (DVD ReMastered ReIssue) Laurent Olszer wrote: > ----- > Subject: S&L DVD > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:20:44 +0100 > > Hello Simon, > Thanks and bravo for the comprehensive comparison of S&L various > releases. If I understand correctly, since I own the Japanese > laserdisc (which is superb in quality) there's no point in getting > the DVD, right? > ----- NO! that's not quite what i meant. while it's true that the Japanese LaserDisc of S&L IS sonically and visually superior to the -3- Asian DVD releases, i haven't been able compare it to the New ReMastered release since the advance Promo copy i rec'd was damaged in transit and wouldn't play. i would expect that it might be every bit as good but, from a technical perspective, it's hard to see how it could possibly be better. after all, the Audio and Video on a 12" LaserDisc are UnCompressed whereas DVD releases use MPEG-2* compression (see the PS). THAT's how they manage to store all the necessary information on a 5" disc. however, it's a moot point anyway since most people don't have LaserDisc Players or a copy of this LaserDisc. I DO plan on purchasing a copy and suggest you do so as well. let's not forget the new ArtWork and "Tour Photo Gallery". i guess it was about two months ago that Joel spent most of an entire weekend reviewing over 50 rolls of film, some 2000+ images and selected close to 300 for Joni to review personally. on monday it was down to L.A. i remember getting a phone call from Joel around 6pm NewYork time, (3:00 pm in Los Angeles). the call was cut short when he pulled up in front of Joni's home. i learned the next day that he didn't get out of there until 6:00 AM the next morning. Damn! talk about a night owl. Joni personally selected and approved every one of the 48 Photos included on the DVD as well as the new Cover artwork. i'd suggest that the purchase is worth it for THAT reason alone. Laurent also wrote: > ----- > Since you appear to be well informed, perhaps you could answer > another question: the sound on my Refuge of the Roads laser disc > is inferior to all other laser discs. Any ideas about that? > That would be a great incentive for me to buy the Refuge DVD > if the sound is good. > > Thanks > Laurent > ----- i'm not sure what to say about the sound quality of REFUGE OF THE ROADS. i've got the LaserDisc playing in the background and don't notice anything i'd describe as 'defective' about the sound quality, although i've certainly heard better. try switching between the Analog and Digital soundtracks. initially the Digital will appear to sound better since it's louder, but with a proper level adjustment, you might find that you prefer the Analog. perhaps you're expecting a Live "In Concert" experience, (ie: with an audience). perhaps the recording just sounds like what it is ... a Concert presentation recorded on a Sound Stage, with no audience present. the Live "In Performance" footage used in REFUGE OF THE ROADS was shot on a large soundstage in Culver City, CA. in August of 1983. I DO plan on purchasing this release as well. keep in mind that this one will also contain a "Tour Photo Gallery" and perhaps other extras. i hope this helps. andmoreagain, - --------------- simon PS: *What is MPEG? http://www.coolstf.com/mpeg/ MPEG stands for Moving Picture Experts Group. It is a standard method of transmitting digital video and sound in a *compressed* format using *less bandwidth* than the traditional analog method. The first MPEG standard introduced was MPEG-1 which is used to compress film onto regular compact discs (VideoCDs). MPEG-1 uses a low bit rate resulting in a picture similar to VHS video tape. The MPEG-1 data stream supports only one video signal and is therefore not used for satellite transmissions. MPEG-1 uses either 25 or 30 frames per second and is therefore not very well suited to storage of interlaced video. MPEG-2 is becoming the de-facto standard in the digital TV world. MPEG-2 fixes many of the problem inherent in MPEG-1, such as resolution, scalability and handling of interlaced video. It allows for a much better picture (studio quality and up to HDTV levels) and allows multiple channels at various bitrates to bemultiplexed into a single data stream. It was officially adopted by ISO and has the catalog number ISO 13818-1. Program producers (like NBC, HBO et al) prefer to use MPEG-2 to distribute their programming because they can transmit multiple programs in the same space as a single analog transmission. Satellite and cable companies also like the idea of digital compression and it allows them to offer much more programming versus analog with the same amount of bandwidth. All licensed US DBS providers (DirecTV, USSB, Echostar etc.) are required by their licenses to transmit in digital format. ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:32:58 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Woman Of Heart And Mind (UK - DVD) i don't know if this has been posted yet so ... for the benefit of UK JMDL members WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND - UK - DVD Forthcoming UK RELEASE JONI MITCHELL Woman Of Heart And Mind (2003 UK Region 2 PAL DVD) featuring Rare 60s & 70s performance footage, Previously unreleased audio recordings, Home movies plus bonus Interview Outtakes, 'Joni In Her Own Words' and Photo Gallery, Discography and Travelogue! Running time - 120 minutes). ** released 30 June 2003 ** # 17.99, US$ 29.86 andmoreagain, - --------------- simon PS / FWIW: VIDEO Formats PAL is UK/Australia SECAM is French NTSC is USA/Japan/South America/Canada DVD Formats The region code is a way of ensuring that the material intended for one region of the globe cannot be viewed on a player from a\ non-compatible region. Region 0: All areas of the world. (Dependent on video standard). Region 1: Canada and USA. Region 2: Japan (NTSC), Europe, South Africa, Middle East. Region 3: South East Asia, East Asia, Hong Kong. Region 4: Australia, New Zealand, Pacific Islands, Central America, Mexico, South America, Caribbean. Region 5: Former Soviet Union, Indian Subcontinent, Africa, North Korea, Mongolia. Region 6: China Region 7: Unused (Reserved) Region 8: Special international venues (airplans, cruise ships, etc). --------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:48:19 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Neil Must See I saw Neil and Lucinda last week in Milwaukee. I have been real busy this year and so have not heard any of the prior shows or read the posts in detail. So, I walked in to Marcus cold - without knowing what Neil and Co. would play. So, Greendale was a total surprise. In 500+ concerts, with the first Neil performance being 30 years ago, I have to say that this one was one of the gutsy-est performances I have ever seen. To play all new songs with such strong messages on topics such as the environment, the media, john ashcroft, etc for the entire main set was awesome. I just respect the guy so much. It was an awesome set of music. Most guys his age are playing their greatest hits not an entirely new set of music that won't even be out on record for several months! Lucinda was fine BTW but I think she is much better when headlining based on the four times I have seen her e ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:21:09 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: two questions / new "in france" & "same situation" covers???? hi >>>bob wrote >>>Exactly!! For the life of me I can't figure out how "In France They Kiss On Main Street" ends up in a Christian Songbook...oh well, 'tis a strange world we live in, maybe the book publisher has a sense of humor! well i recognise quite a few of those songs. a few are pretty good, (and a whole lot which are just *bad* - like ..uugghhh butterfly kisses (shudder)) including some early amy grant tracks (dont laugh - she wrote some beautiful songs when she was young - before she got all "pop") , some phil keaggy (your love broke thru) and some 2nd chapter of acts (mansion builder - give it a listen at : http://www.2ndchapterofacts.com/recordings/mansion-builder.htm - - annie herring is still one of my all time favourite singer/songwriters and has had a *huge* impact on my life......... ive seen "both sides now" in quite a few christian song books, but i cannot for the life of me figure out how "in france" got included.......... oh, btw bob - i found what appears to be new covers of "in france" & "same situation" http://kristentoedtman.com/projects/cabaret/ ron np - mansion builder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:47:24 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: SHADOWS And LIGHT (DVD ReMastered ReIssue) > i'm not sure what to say about the sound quality of REFUGE OF THE ROADS. > > i've got the LaserDisc playing in the background and don't notice > anything i'd describe as 'defective' about the sound quality, > although i've certainly heard better. Mine lacks high end, no transparency, just dull sounding. Does yours lack the same? > > try switching between the Analog and Digital soundtracks. initially > the Digital will appear to sound better since it's louder, but with > a proper level adjustment, you might find that you prefer the Analog. Gee I never knew this feature existed. Not sure how to do that though. Also the laser disc/CD player now has a digital output going to the processor. Does that mean I'd have to use the RCA outputs to get the analog sound? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:51:52 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: two questions / new "in france" & "same situation" covers???? In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:21:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > oh, btw bob - i found what appears to be new covers of "in > france" & > "same situation" > > http://kristentoedtman.com/projects/cabaret/ Thanks Ron...I did see those in my googling yesterday, but I didn't see where she had released any recordings. That would have to happen before I add it to the list. Maybe I should book her cabaret show and record it myself! :~) I'm going to be watching that closely as I'd LOVE new covers of "France" and "Same Situation". Bob NP: Mathilde Santing, "Don't Try To Tell Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:11:36 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Replies to inquiry -- and another inquiry Thanks to Bob Muller, who answered my inquiry about the differing Joni Yahoo groups, and to Catherine McKay and Bob Murphy, who sent me copies of their comments -- one responding to Bob Muller, and the other responding to the one -- that did not appear on the Digest (maybe they will tomorrow). Bob Muller: I haven't seen on the Digest who won this month's C & Cs. Maybe it was filtered out as NJC. How about repeating the announcement for all to see? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:42:54 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Jericho cover???? Bob, Last weekend I was visiting my dad in the hospital and in the gift shop there I heard an incredible sort of abstract version of "Jericho" that sounded like Jaco, Klein, Tom Scott and Brian Blade were all playing on it! It was almost as if it were retooled by Joni herself as a cover. I've done some searching but haven't put my finger on it out there yet. Have you heard of it? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:03:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jericho cover???? In a message dated 6/24/2003 10:56:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > Have you > heard of it? > Wow - that's a new one on me Kakki...There are LOTS of "Jericho"'s out there, but no covers of Joni's song as far as I've been able to tell. But that doesn't mean they don't exist...I'll see what I can dig up from my end, if you can uncover any other info I'd be grateful. "Jericho" was one of the songs that Joni played with Jaco & Brecker on the '79 tour, but to hear a recording of that in a hospital gift shop would be stranger than fiction. Thanks as always for your interest in the project. Bob NP: The Replacements, "Seen Your Video" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 02:11:48 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 25 On June 25 the following item was published: 1998: "Knocking On Wood" - Entertainment Weekly Online (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=469 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #204 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)