From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #201 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, June 22 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 201 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Live THOSL [Catherine McKay ] Re: You're funny, Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Funny Joni [Catherine McKay ] re: JM Spectrum concert 1976 ["michael o'malley" ] WOHAM Top 10 [Harry83house@aol.com] Re: JM Spectrum concert 1976 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JM Spectrum concert 1976 [Catherine McKay ] re: Joni, you're funny ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Live THOSL ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: More on 'Down To You' ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Unfettered & Alive ["Kate Bennett" ] 1st timer [bra811@aol.com] WOHAM ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: JM Spectrum concert 1976 [hugo e alvarez ] Re: 1st timer ["kerry" ] Today in History: June 22 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: June 22 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Live THOSL --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > She did tour HOSL briefly Stephen, in 1976. Some of > those recordings are in > circulation...of the ones I have, my fave is her > performance at The Spectrum in > Philadelphia. The setlist: > > Joni Mitchell > The Spectrum; Philadelphia, Pa I downloaded this from Les' P2P thing (before problems with both my PC and the P2P thing.) This Spectrum show is great. I particularly love the version of "Shadows and Light" Joni does on this - completely different from any other version I've heard - just Joni and her guitar and a blue-sy sort of version. Get it if you can - I think it's worth it for that alone. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: You're funny, Joni --- Ruth Davis wrote: > > I think Joni has a killer sense of humor. If you > get too solemn when you listen to her, you could > miss it. > Her sense of humour definitely comes out in the stories she tells. If music and art dry up for her, she could always get a job as a story-teller - not so much the stand-up comedy sort of thing, but something a little kinder than that. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Funny Joni --- "Larry D." wrote: > Someone may have quoted this already, but I've > always > liked, "An angry man is just an angry man/An angry > woman - BITCH!" > Larry, I don't think anyone did - so bravo to you. That is one very funny line (and funny... because it's twue!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:52:07 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: re: JM Spectrum concert 1976 Wow! What a set list! Wouldn't this be a fitting candidate for the next permavine? ;-) Joni Mitchell The Spectrum; Philadelphia, Pa 02/16/76 Disc 1 1. Help Me 2. For Love or Money 3. Free Man in Paris 4. Yarrow 5. For the Roses 6. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire 7. Big Yellow Taxi 8. Shades of Scarlett Conquering 9. For Free 10. Coyote/Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 11. Just Like This Train Joni Mitchell The Spectrum; Philadelphia, Pa 02/16/76 Disc 2 1. Shadows and Light 2. In France They Kiss on Main Street 3. Edith and the Kingpin 4. Talk to Me 5. Harry's House/Centerpiece 6. Furry Sings the Blues 7. Trouble Child 8. Rainy Night House 9. Don't Interrupt the Sorrow 10. Raised on Robbery 11. Jungle Line 12. Twisted Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:04:49 EDT From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: WOHAM Top 10 Here in NJ, Joni's "Woman of Heart and Mind" DVD was the #10 Top Selling DVD of the week at the CD World stores! At least its selling better than TRAVELOGUE. In the documentary, one of my favorites sections of the show is when Joni and Klein (post-divorce), are listening to playbacks of Joni's recording sessions and she looks at him with this silent communication, the corners of her mouth turn up, he whispers something, and she leans in to hear him better. Its all filmed in slow-motion, and its a beautiful glimpse into their relationship. They really do seem like best friends or a brother and his sister who have their own silent language. Its a lovely moment in a terrific documentary. Sure, it leaves a lot of stuff out, but what IS there is "cherce." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:58:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Spectrum concert 1976 In a message dated 6/21/2003 9:53:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelo@webnet.qc.ca writes: > Wouldn't this be a fitting candidate for the next > permavine? ;-) > > I thought the same thing - I didn't follow the rules on the last one, but I'll be glad to kick it off if someone tells me what to do... Bob NP: The Minutemen, "Untitled Song For Latin America" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:13:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JM Spectrum concert 1976 --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/2003 9:53:01 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > michaelo@webnet.qc.ca writes: > > > Wouldn't this be a fitting candidate for the next > > permavine? ;-) > > > > > > I thought the same thing - I didn't follow the rules I don't understand this permavine thing. How does that differ from what people already do, i.e. put out a request, or tell people about something they've got and then you just pay the postage and cost of the disc? I know this has been posted, but it was too much information for my short attention span (yep, I'm too friggin' lazy to digest it all). Is there an executive summary available? I'm happy to burn copies of any discs I've got (Thanks to Les' P2P thing, I managed to download Alt. Blue, the Hissing demoes, the Philly Spectrum show (2 discs)and a disc of early Joni in clubs doing a lot of those songs that never got "officially" recorded; also have the JT and Joni BBC thing (thanks Lama), I've got tapes of a bunch of other stuff (thanks to Mags!) I always thought you had to have a super-duper kind of disc-burner so I never offered these to anyone. I just burn them off my PC, but isn't that what most people do? Anyhoo, I've got a lot of stuff I may not even know I have (the tapes that Mags gave me.) Does anyone know how to convert tape to CD without spending mega-bucks? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:16:46 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni, you're funny Joni truly does have a great sense of humour, even in some of her more serious songs. One phrase that always makes me laugh out loud is "Booby-prize guys" from Lucky Girl. Whenever I hear this, I think of the 1970's board game "mystery date." The players did not know who their mystery date was going to be until they opened up the little door on the board game. One of the mystery dates was a sort of booby-prize guy - a dorky, shabby, ungroomed character. When a player opened the little door and got the booby-prize guy, we girls would just roar with laughter! Many of Joni's lyrics put a big smile on my face: "When it comes to mathematics, I got static in the attic" "God goes up the chimney, like childhood Santa Claus" "You could charm the diamonds off a rattle snake" "Starin' a hole in his scrambled eggs" "I had a King in a salt-rusted carriage" Mia _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:48:30 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Live THOSL And it is absolutely STUNNING and bluesy - worth the price of admission by far. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:04:15 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: More on 'Down To You' Exactly. Like Shakespeare, like the Bible, she builds words with enough detail to seem specific but with enough metaphor to be universal. Like THOSL. She had lots of conversations with Jose Felicaino's wife and came up with "THOSL". Knowing that, if you go back and read those words, word-for-word, the words are about a woman married to some blind guy. But that's not the story. Like lots of the songs on THOSL, the story is about a trapped woman. The setting, though specific, is just an example of the universal. The story is the thing that I love the most about singer-songwriters. Paradoxically, there has to be enough detail for the detail to disappear, revealing the story. Zen master in training, Lama "There is no spoon." You said, >>>>The truth is every time I hear it, I get something different out of it and *that* is why Joni is simply the best. >>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:08:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Unfettered & Alive another painful reminder of the one i missed !!!!!!!!! arghhhhhh...someone asked which joni moment we'd choose to be at if we could...for concerts, this one would be it for me... From this weeks Santa Barbara Independent http://www.independent.com/a&e/columns.html Jazz Meets by Josef Woodard "UNFETTERED AND ALIVE: Plum from the Bowl Archives: In the annals of Santa Barbara Bowl (nee County Bowl), the date September 9, 1979, rings out as an almost mythically special night. Great singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell, coming off of her inspired, experimental Mingus album, rounded up a back-up band of stellar young players from the jazz world and put on a memorable show in the beloved venue. At the heart of the sound was a kindred spirit, the late, legendary bassist Jaco Pastorius. Rounding out the lineup were hirsute guitarist Pat Metheny and his sidekick, keyboardist Lyle Mays, saxist Michael Brecker and drummer/percussionist Don Alias, with soulful cameos by the Persuasions. All told, they brought a kind of smart, idiom-hopping glow to the Bowl, captured on the album and video Shadows and Light. Next week, the DVD comes out (on Shout! Factory), reminding those of us in attendance of days and musical ideals gone by. Nothing in the fledgling, current Bowl season so far resonates with the Joni vibenot Good Charlottes bubble-gum punk, not Matchbox Twentys booming arena-aspirant rock, nor Godsmacks cleanly tooled metallurgy. This Sundays appearance by Tracy Chapman, with more than a little Joni influence, will only come close. Mitchells song set includes such Mingus tunes as the enigmatic sort-of-blues Goodbye Pork Pie Hat and the slyly swinging Dry Cleaner from Des Moines, and a full plate of her own pensive beauties, including Hejira, Coyote, and Free Man in Paris. Bolstered by 15 extra minutes not seen on the video release and other goodies, the DVD kicks off with a clip from Rebel Without a Cause, James Dean busting out the window of his suburban cage. Later, we see footage of a beaming Amelia Earhart another rebellious high flyer and the subject of Mitchells haunting tune Amelia. Hearing Jonis jazz-flavored music now, the sound may seem anything but rebellious (unless you count Jacos mischief-making bass solo), but thats because she was there first, suffering (or ignoring) the blows of critics on both pop and jazz fronts. Mitchell has always been a rebel with her own causes, a victimless musical criminal who has broken through windows of genre." www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:24:51 EDT From: bra811@aol.com Subject: 1st timer Greetings to everyone! I'm Robert from Minneapolis and this is my first posting to the list. I signed up a couple of months ago and have been lurking in the shadows, reading the JMDL each morning before I head for work at the US Postal Service. I enjoy hearing from you all, and thought it was time for me to join in. My first memory of Joni comes from a 1969 issue of Hit Parader magazine. Ellen Sander wrote a wonderful article titled "Stills Crosby Nash: A Recording Session Milestone," which detailed the making of the first CSN album. Since I have the magazine right here (I saved all of my rock memorabilia), I will quote briefly from the article. "Joni Mitchell, in the midst of her own album at the time, checked in often. One night she played some songs she'd composed on the piano. One was a love song to Willie and if you could take your eyes off Miss Mitchell in a long velvet dress and long blonde hair you saw Nash go a little misty..." This magazine article set up the CSN album beautifully and I became an immediate fan, also keeping my ears open for this Joni Mitchell. I lived in Peoria, Illinois at the time and listened to our "underground rock" FM station. If I recall correctly, this was "The Love Network," probably in syndication from New York. One of the deejays called himself "Brother John." He played several Joni records on his show, such as Woodstock, Ladies of the Canyon, and strangely enough, Fiddle and the Drum, which received fairly regular rotation. This is the one that made a Joni fan out of me. I remember thinking, "That's a weird record, but I kinda like it!" Another early memory: Joni's appearance on Johnny Cash's TV show (1970?). I dared to watch this with my father, who regarded all contemporary music as "trash" at the time (he later mellowed considerably). I think Joni was at the piano singing Woodstock and my dad most definitely did not approve! I told him, "Not only does she write these songs, but she's gorgeous!" His response was something like, "That's caterwauling, not music!" Which only endeared Joni to me more... Years passed and I was off into different things, other artists, but I reconnected with Joni toward the end of the 70s with Hejira, Don Juan, and Shadows And Light, still my very favorites. But I am also fond of Song To A Seagull from the early years, and Taming The Tiger and Travelogue from the recent period. Hejira is one of my Top 10 "desert island discs" and one of those records which defines me. To this day, one of my very favorite things is to hop in the car and embark upon a road trip, with Joni's Hejira in the CD player, of course. 'I'm porous with travel fever But you know I'm so glad to be on my own Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger Can set up trembling in my bones I know- no one's going to show me everything We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone" So that's me and the story of how I hooked up with Joni, and now each of you.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:27:58 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: WOHAM The PBS film, "Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart And Mind" is on my mind today. I know we've already discussed here (on the Joni Mitchell Discussion List) but one of the scenes keeps coming back to me. Susan Lacy's direction is what makes this moment for me. It starts with "River". When "BLUE" was a new album, Joel Bernstein realized the power of the imagry in "I wish I had a river I could skate away on" Here was a text-based metaphor that would translate perfectly into a visual medium. Indeed, it translated into both stills and film. In Karen O'Brien's biography, she talks about Joel lining up the ice skating session. I have it on good authority that he also shot the footage of Joni ice skating on the river. It was years before the ice-skating shot was used by Joni's team in the masterful collage on the cover of Hejira. It was longer still before the footage was observed by Executive Producer-director Lacy. So, here's Joel's footage of Joni ice skating. Obviously, Lacy's going to use it but the question is... where? A hack would just throw it into a section of "home movies". But there's a very, very long tradition in literature of using a River as a metaphor for fate. This is picked up in American music like the Blues especially. (Hi Jeff.) A brilliant student of literature and film would use it to illustate Joni confronting fate and that is exactly what Ms. Lacy did. In "A Woman of Heart and Mind", Joni talks about the possibility of marrying Graham. She says that she reflected on it for a very, very long time. Lacy shows us Joni skating away from the viewer, intent on her journey. Joni recalled her grandmother, denied a piano, kicking a kitchen door off its hinges. Joan felt she had an opportunity to right a wrong. She had a chance to bring her grandmother's dream to life for her. For the first time in 3 generations, there was an open door and it was in front of Joni. Lacy inserted Joni looking over her shoulder for just a second, checking out the observer, as if to ask, "Will I do the right thing?" I get chills every time I see that scene. That my friends, is why Susan Lacy did a BRILLIANT job. She didn't make a "documentary". She made an "art film". It's a fine film. Joni's brilliant career has been given an appropriately brilliant summation. Thank you, Susan Lacy. Lama PS, Simon, will you forward this to Ms. Lacy and / or Mr. Bernstein for me? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: hugo e alvarez Subject: Re: JM Spectrum concert 1976 Catherine: To convert from tape (or another analogic source) to CD, you can use dBpowerAMP, available for free. The site is www.dbpoweramp.com You will need to download two programs: dMC (conversor) dMC Auxiliary Input (plugin auxiliar audio) If you want to edit the file before burn it to CD, you can use other free programs, such as Audacity or ProTools. www.Audacity.sourceforge.net www.digidesign.com/ptfree/ (this require registration) Hugo Catherine McKay wrote: - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/2003 9:53:01 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > michaelo@webnet.qc.ca writes: > > > Wouldn't this be a fitting candidate for the next > > permavine? ;-) > > > > > > I thought the same thing - I didn't follow the rules I don't understand this permavine thing. How does that differ from what people already do, i.e. put out a request, or tell people about something they've got and then you just pay the postage and cost of the disc? I know this has been posted, but it was too much information for my short attention span (yep, I'm too friggin' lazy to digest it all). Is there an executive summary available? I'm happy to burn copies of any discs I've got (Thanks to Les' P2P thing, I managed to download Alt. Blue, the Hissing demoes, the Philly Spectrum show (2 discs)and a disc of early Joni in clubs doing a lot of those songs that never got "officially" recorded; also have the JT and Joni BBC thing (thanks Lama), I've got tapes of a bunch of other stuff (thanks to Mags!) I always thought you had to have a super-duper kind of disc-burner so I never offered these to anyone. I just burn them off my PC, but isn't that what most people do? Anyhoo, I've got a lot of stuff I may not even know I have (the tapes that Mags gave me.) Does anyone know how to convert tape to CD without spending mega-bucks? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:14:47 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: 1st timer > I'm Robert from Minneapolis and this is my first posting to the list. Welcome Robert! I'm in Milwaukee, so we're practically neighbors. :>) > Another early memory: Joni's appearance on Johnny Cash's TV show (1970?). > I dared to watch this with my father, who regarded all contemporary music as > "trash" at the time (he later mellowed considerably). I think Joni was at > the > piano singing Woodstock and my dad most definitely did not approve! I told > him, "Not only does she write these songs, but she's gorgeous!" His response > was something like, "That's caterwauling, not music!" Which only endeared > Joni to me more... I had a similar experience when I was in my teens. I was playing the album "Blue" one day and my father said, "Who IS this? It sounds like she's making up the words as she goes along!" Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:25:42 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: June 22 1969: ABC broadcasted "The Mama Cass Television Program" at 9PM, featuring appearances by Joni, Buddy Hackett, Barbara Bain, and Martin Landau. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:25:42 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 22 On June 22 the following item was published: 1996: "Why Graham Nash holds Ottawa dear" - Ottawa Citizen (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=233 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #201 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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