From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #199 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 199 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Ani di Franco ["mike pritchard" ] Re: song list for mandy moore album [Catherine McKay ] RE: You're funny, Joni AND laid-back ["Emily M. Griskavich" Subject: Re: Ani di Franco >>For the best 4 years she has filled the gap for me left by Joni's inability to do anything worthwhile.<< In my case it hasn't been four years, but listening to Ani, and Beth Orton, has recently filled the Joni gap for me too. Also I have been getting hold of CD versions of Joni's back catalogue and this makes up for the uninteresting recent stuff (IMHO, of course). Muller is, once again, right on the ball with his comments. mike in barcelona NP Ani and Utah Plillips - Fellow Workers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: song list for mandy moore album Nice! My daughter likes Mandy Moore too. There is hope. BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote:Here's the song list for the upcoming album mentioned earlier. I'm glad MM is covering something other than Big Yellow Taxi. Senses Working Overtime" (XTC) "Whole Of The Moon" (The Waterboys) "Can We Still Be Friends" (Todd Rundgren) "I Feel The Earth Move" (Carole King) "Mona Lisas & Mad Hatters" (Elton John) "Drop the Pilot" (Joan Armatrading) "Moonshadow" (Cat Stevens) "One Way Or Another" (Blondie) "Breaking Us In Two" (Joe Jackson) "Anticipation" (Carly Simon) "Help Me" (Joni Mitchell) "Have A Little Faith In Me" (John Hiatt) Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:50:07 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Joni's funny "You tell those girls you've got German measles, honey tell em you've got germs.' 'He picks up my sent on his fingers while watching some waitresses leggs" 'I saw an ageing cripple selling superman ballons" I'll even kiss a Sunset Pig' "I said send me somebody who's strong and somewhat sincere" "I'm a pretty good cook, I'm sittin on my groceries" "Or Lead Foot Melvin with his hot wire head we'd all go looking for a party Looking to raise Jesus up from the dead" "I didn't know I drank such alot till I pissed a tequila the full length of the perking lot" " You spend every sentence as if it were marked currency" " But the cleaner from Des Moines could put a coin in the door of a John and get twenty for one" " I never loved a man I trusted as far as I could pitch my shoe" I'm done now. Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:58:04 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: WOHAM at last! I've managed to get my clammy hands on a video'd copy of the prog, which I shall be watching tonight. Courtesy of my supervisor, funnily enough, a big Joni fan. He said he missed the first two mins faffing around with the various remote controls, but I'll just have to live with that until the DVD. Azeem in London NP: Badly Drawn Boy - The Hour Of Bewilderbeast ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:02:44 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: song list for mandy moore album In a message dated 6/19/2003 11:49:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, BRYAN8847 writes: > I'm glad MM is covering something other than Big Yellow > Taxi. Hey, nice detective work Bryan! I sort of assumed that "Help Me" was going to be her choice as I read where she was going back and re-doing old HITS and presenting them to a new generation of her peers, and 'Help Me' WAS Joni's biggest hit. So hopefully this will inspire more than a handful of her fans to seek out Joni's catalogue...the Mandy samples that I've heard thus far are really sugary. But at least her heart is in the right place. Besides, BYT just got a re-presentation to today's youth via the Counting Crows/Vanessa Carlton cover. Maybe we'll see Radiohead taking on "The Jungle Line", or The White Stripes cranking out "Raised On Robbery"! Bob NP: Stones, "I Got The Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:44:51 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: More on 'Down To You' This song continues to run through my head...the musical textures and especially the words. It is SUCH a masterpiece of a song... I think that inasmuch as it's about the unsatisfying nature of a one-night stand in response to lost love, I think that basically it's a song about paranoia and about blaming yourself for things that go wrong. This line is so telling: 'Old friends seem indifferent, YOU must have brought this on' Not just that things are bad, but that YOU are to blame. And then additionally, 'You brush against a stranger and you BOTH apologize', recognizing that this self-blame is shared by just about everyone. Even the title decries the song's paranoia...as if it could have just as easily been titled 'It's all your fault' but of course Joni chooses a phrase that has so much more depth than that. Amazing. Bob NP: Stones, "You Don't Have To Mean It" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:08:53 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: Beneath the Underdog > Subject: Not drowning >Also has anyone > read "Beneath the Underdog?" I am very curious about Mingus > I know so little about his music, his politics etc. Yep, I read it a few years ago. What stuck with me most (what does this say about my interests, eh?) was his account of an older man's instructions to himself and a teenage friend about how to make love to a woman. Damn good advice it was, too. I mean, from a woman's point of view. It's true you learn something new every day, and I definitely learned something from that. The book if I recall correctly was fictionalized somewhat, and covered the early years of his life, long before he knew Joni. As a character himself, I wasn't much impressed with Mingus. A little too rough around the edges for my taste. He probably was much mellower by the time he called Joni and asked her to collaborate with him; maybe he'd turned into a gentleman by then? Kate du Nord (Saskatchewan) http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:26:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: water wings WEll This is great there are some Scots on this list and Welshmen that live in exotic locales, hello and hello to Gill. Glad I got some water wings. I should refer to myself as Scottish Maggie as there seems to be a few of us out there. Thanks Susan (Guzzi) I am not in OZ, wish I was the weather here is so crap, but I did live in NZ for six years. I have seen WOHAM!! a wonderful new friend taped it for me and I was wondering if anyone knows of it's possible to get hold of the Shadows and light tour Film? If I had a time capsule, oh if only, can you imagine? Which joni event would you want to witness /experience.. Talking of humour and Joni I think as she says her pure joy is in her Artwork. But the "hairline recede my vain darling" is one line that has a special smile in it for me, I have witnessed that happen to a deserving few, sorry fellas(-; Talking of which, poor old James Taylor seems to have a few empty follicles these days and yes why was he conspicuous by his absence on the film? hmm. So what can we talk about then that has not been covered before? Do you think if we all jump up and down and scream very loudly she may tour? Naw, but even if she brought her Art work over that would be enough. I think the bonnie banks may need another Mcjoni fest Gordon even with the midges, or as you have over the pond, no see ums, but they are nothing in comparism to the Scottish midge. Ok enough of this banter......M (sct) ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:48:30 -0500 From: "Emily M. Griskavich" Subject: RE: You're funny, Joni AND laid-back My funniest lyric: "I'm a pretty good cook Sittin' on my groceries. Come up to my kitchen, I'll show you my best recipe." As for being laid-back, I'm a recovering obsessive-compulsive and I think I wouldn't have made it without Lexapro, an anti-anxiety medicine similar to Selexa but without side-effects. If you think you might have an anxiety disorder, talk to your doctor and get referred to a psychiatrist. Best of luck to whomever asked the question. - -Emily [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:54:41 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: water wings > I > was wondering if anyone knows of it's possible to get hold > of the Shadows and light tour Film? Scottish Maggie, your question is well-timed as 'Shadows and Light' is about to be re-released on June 24th on DVD. Bob NP: Stones, "Just My Imagination" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:43:09 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: More on 'Down To You' - ----- Original Message ----- Bob Muller wrote: > This song continues to run through my head...the musical textures > and especially the words. It is SUCH a masterpiece of a song... > > I think that inasmuch as it's about the unsatisfying nature of a > one-night stand in response to lost love, I think that basically > it's a song about paranoia and about blaming yourself for things > that go wrong. This line is so telling: > > 'Old friends seem indifferent, YOU must have brought this on' > > Not just that things are bad, but that YOU are to blame. And then > additionally, > > 'You brush against a stranger and you BOTH apologize', recognizing > that this self-blame is shared by just about everyone. > > Even the title decries the song's paranoia...as if it could have > just as easily been titled 'It's all your fault' but of course > Joni chooses a phrase that has so much more depth than that. > > Amazing. I was thinking some weeks ago and i realized something about the title: (you can guess that we, foreigners, are very useful... discovering mediterranean seas :-) All through these twentysomething years I've been listening to this song I didn't notice that the title it's a game-word on that wonderful expression of yours: that "it's up to you" ("it's your turn", or "it your time to get it") now it turns into "down to you": so multi layered and still so clear: you don't have the chance, everything goes that way... If describing life's bitter matters, if trying to make clear how can things stir up against you soooo many times in a row, how it's your inability to make things better... is deppressing, well "Down to you" it is. But, as you surely agree, when it's so masterly written, and so highly inspired... I think Joni's music as "the only companion when thing turn bad" or, as Holly Golighty would say: in those "red" days Well, that's my two pesos for today. Thanks for your attention and Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano from Galicia NP: Sweet Jane, Rock'n roll Animal version PS: Bob (Murphy): you should know by now that everyone one of us loves Bob, don't really matter what Bob you are! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:55:27 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: WOHAM without narration In a message dated 6/19/03 3:01:10 AM, Gordon Mackie > Hi, Gordon; I noticed your post and had to comment. In my opinion, the narration in WOHAM is used sparingly and all you need; the fact that some things were left out or not given enough coverage (HOSL, James Taylor, etc.) is another story. I think a true documentary SHOULD present facts without any narration; WE should be able to digest the information and form our own opinions and draw our own conclusions. Anything else would not be unbiased and free from insinuations by the narrator. Incidently, the two films shown when you first enter the Rock & Roll Museum/Hall of Fame in Cleveland hold true to this format. In one, we're shown simply bits and pieces of archival footage from the days of slaves singing on southern plantations to modern day performers; from that, we see for ourselves the roots and paths of contemporary rock. No narration is needed. One of the greatest music documentaries of all time is "Woodstock"; can you imagine how un-natural it would have been with a narrator? You could show that film to someone of any age today or fifty years from today and they'd still "get it" without any narration. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:57:10 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni lines that make me smile I think the first time I ever heard "Raised on Robbery": "Government gave us three thousand dollars, you should have seen it fly away. First he bought a '57 Biscayne, he put it in the ditch He drunk up all the rest, that son-of-a-bitch" I laughed out loud... (very graphic) Now, whenever I hear it, it still makes me smile. Maybe it's 'cause I've worked on or with cars all my life.... And, of course, the lines from "Twisted": "Oh, they used to laugh at me When I refused to ride On all those double-decker buses All because there was no driver on the top", But I especially like the voices in the background, going, "what? ... no driver on the top?" Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:13:58 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 20 On June 20 the following item was published: 1998: "Back to the Garden" - Addicted To Noise website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=24 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #199 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)