From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #189 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 189 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: June 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: When is it time to quit? sjc ["kakki" ] re: joni's smoking [cul heath ] re: joni's smoking ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 ["Lori Fye" ] Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] Billboard mention in March ["Tortorici, Frank" ] Re: joni's smoking [Randy Remote ] JMDL Vine#1 ["David Foley" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 [ROSCOE1TC@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 ["Stephen Toogood" ] new S+L, Geffen box set ? [jussi ] Joni's "Shadows and Light" [Bruce Righter ] Joni in JAZZIZ ["Heather" ] Re: joni's smoking ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: cadmium [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni's smoking [Catherine McKay ] Important Jonifest Information- Last Call! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] PermaVine Update [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: joni's smoking [cul heath ] Today in History: June 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: June 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #320 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? [Stu Rutherford Subject: Re: When is it time to quit? sjc Mark, I'm running behind on the posts but wanted to throw in my two centavos on Anita O'Day. A few years ago I posted a few times about seeing her here in L.A. where she had a regular Tuesday night gig at an upscale restuarant/jazz club. I learned about her performing from Robbie Cavolina, Joni's sometime art director, who had taken a personal interest in Anita and has written a screenplay about her life. Last I heard he was still working on getting a movie produced, with Rosanna Arquette in the lead role. My experience with seeing her was interesting. She was in pretty good voice but very frail and arthritic and had to be helped on and off the stage. She did have some top guys who seemed honored to accompany her. I met a number of people in the audience from several generations and countries who had come to see her. The film of Newport was also played in the backround during intermission. After the show I met her and bought some "bootleg" CDs of hers that were for sale, and my friend bought her autobiography. I don't have a copy but read it in one night. She had many ups and downs and was on heroin for many years. I recall she only quit heroin a few years ago. She was also pretty much down and out and living in a trailer behind someone's house until she was encouraged by some good souls (including Robbie) to start performing again. I got a very strong sense watching and meeting her that she internally transcends her age and fraility when she gets on that stage. She still has the "ego" and a bit of the diva in her. Why does she still do it? I think just because she can and the alternative of being an invalid and forgotten is not an attractive option. The stage is what is keeping her going. Thanks for sharing and I am glad you got to see her. It's good to hear she is still performing. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:36:20 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: re: joni's smoking Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:04:34 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.comSubject: Re: joni's smoking I agree with Kate that smoking is an addiction. Most addictions (including TV watching, shaving armspits and legs,etc) are only a problem when the object of the addiction is withheld for whatever reason from the "addict"...and, generally speaking, the removal is enacted less to serve the needs of the addict and more to serve the interests of evangelical social and religious groups who invariably see controling the behavior of others as a good cover for their own addiction to the need for narrow and simplistic It has been said that it is harder to give up than heroin. That has more to do with learned social associations than with the chemistry of nicotine. Speaking as a packaday smoker, I am more addicted to the "prop" apects of cigarettes and to the process of lighting up than to the nicotine. I sometimes burn through many cigarettes while in intense periods of concentration such as songwriting or careening in and out of traffic at high speeds, fishing for cops in overhead choppers . I light up a lot, have one or two puffs while But again, in any event, addiction to heroin is only a problem if the supply is removed. Physically it does very little damage to the body even over long term use and the only real social damage I can see coming from its constant use is constipation and a perhaps less than perfect drive to acquire the key to the executive washrooms. Good poetry, painting and music tho... Smokes love their cigaretted but i don't believe they like being smokers and would prefer to be nonsmokers. That's a great sentence!!!..even if the content is maybe half right. Substitute the word "gay" for "smokers" and see how presumptive that might sound to a person of the prosmoking persuasion . I love smoking. I also love my fellow man ...but should it come to pass that my fellow man insists in coming between me and my mellow smokes why I might have to smoke my fellow man But I also believe that nonsmokers often look upon it as a characrer flaw rather than the addiction it truly is If it was so easy to quit, then everyone would just quit and that would be that. There are a million different reasons that humans intentionally toxify themselves and do things like take up smoking. Sometimes its to appear a peerless peer...sometimes to the drown ourselves in the circumstantial morass we feel we are in, sometimes it just for the sheer thrill of change or acting without permission...none of it matters except that you make it matter. I did my share of pharmaceutical specialties as it were during my "seeking" period...never did I poison myself though to cause harm or just to get drunk. I loathe the fact that I smoke.I have a T-Shirt which has inscribed on the back : "Have no shame for your desires" But everytime my mother lectures me about it, I smoke a pack Of course... The ONLY person that will meke me quit is me. Actually, even you can't MAKE you quit That just ends up in a battle of wills between the same person Its more likely you'll and forget all this namby pamby crap about cigarettes being the worst thing ever and do the right thing by doubling the amount you smoke each day...think of it as keeping one more pack a day away from those poor third world people who probably don't ha e the money to spare for a Bic lighter anyway..sheeesh!:) Take care, cul heath vancouver bc Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 05:44:46 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: re: joni's smoking Cul wrote: > generally speaking, the removal is enacted less to serve the needs of > the addict and more to serve the interests of evangelical social and > religious groups who invariably see controling the behavior of others > as a good cover for their own addiction to the need for narrow and > simplistic YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! From an article in the JMDL Library (http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=169), this: "Mitchell chain-smokes, and it's one of the smoothest chains you've ever seen." Joni smokes. That's her choice. Yes, we all want her to live forever and perform in our choice of voice forever, but that's a bit unreasonable, isn't it? Joni isn't likely to quit smoking. Post whatever you want whenever you want, but I agree with Andrea and others on this subject: it's tiresome. WE certainly aren't going to change Joni Mitchell's mind -- about anything! Lori, who personally abhors cigarettes but smokes "other herbs," and is there really a difference?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 05:47:01 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 I take it back!!! It's not a tiresome issue when it produces gems like these ... LOL ... > 1974: "Make Lovely Ashtrays from Your Old Dulcimers" - Better Homes and > Gardens > (Crafts tips) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=510326 > 2002: "Pop Icon Receives Lifetime Achievement Award" - Winston Salem > Independent > (Story) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=037937 Thanks, Bob!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:29:13 EDT From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? I've noticed that all 8 of the Joni/James PermaVines I've put out there seem to have completely disappeared from the planet! Would those of you who had the discs last please post information to the list as to who you sent them to. As you know, the intention was for these discs to continue circulating so others could copy and enjoy them. All originals must be sent onto the next recipient and are marked as such. A copy of the PermaVine rules follow. Please get these circulating again! Thanks, John in Massachusetts PERMA-VINE RULES: 1) When you receive your Perma-Vine disc you must MAKE COPIES FOR YOURSELF and re-post an offer on JMDL. You will forward the ORIGINAL DISC onto the next recipient (you may NOT keep the original Perma-Vine disc). This method ensures that all participants can get a clean, glitch-free copy of this show directly off the original disc. 2) You must re-post your offer of this vine only to JMDL. (NOTE: Please give digesters ample opportunity to respond, too.) Once you have selected the next recipient, you must post their name, e-mail and state/country to the JMDL list. If, after TWO postings within a 48-hour period, there is no response, you may then, and only then, post the Perma-Vine offer to another group, but you MUST post an announcement to JMDL indicating which group you have transferred this Perma-Vine to. 3) By requesting these Perma-Vine discs, you have agreed to make this show available to those who are unable to burn copies for themselves (and, thus, cannot participate directly in this Perma-Vine). You agree to post an offer(s) on JMDL for at least one burnerless individual as soon as you have forwarded the original Perma-Vine disc onto the next recipient. You must post the name, e-mail and state/country of the burnerless recipient to the JMDL list. Additionally, you may B+P or trade this to as many as you like AFTER you have forwarded the Perma-Vine discs onto the next recipient. You are not required to post subsequent trades or B+P's to the list 4) You further agree to keep the Perma-Vine disc in your possession no longer than 72 hours before re-offering. 5) Lastly, you agree to ENJOY this music immensely! Here is the track information: 1) That Song About the Midway Joni 2) The Gallery Joni 3) Rainy Day Man James 4) Steamroller Blues James 5) The Priest Joni 6) Carey Joni 7) Carolina in My Mind James 8) California Joni + James 9) For Free Joni + James 10) The Circle Game Joni + James 11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James 12) Hunter Joni 13) River Joni 14) My Old Man Joni 15) A Case of You Joni 16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:06:20 -0400 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Billboard mention in March Hi I was going through some old postings and I noticed the following Billboard mention that Randy posted. I don't know if anyone corrected this yet, but Joni's original BYT didn't chart twice. The second charting of Joni that the article mentions is in fact the first and only charting of Joni's live BYT, from MOA. Frank Tortorici Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:27:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote > Subject: Joni mention in Billboard From the Chart Beat column by Fred Bronson, March 29 issue Hailing a Taxi: They're paving paradise and putting up another parking lot. "Big Yellow Taxi," written by 1995 Billboard Century Award honoree Joni Mitchell, is back on The Billboard Hot 100, 33 years after the song's original debut. The version by Counting Crows featuring Vanessa Carlton on Geffen/Interscope enters at No. 63 and is the fourth rendition of "Taxi" to chart. In 1970 there was a battle between Mitchell's original and a version by pop group Neighborhood. The latter won, peaking at No. 29, while the composer's own single only reached No. 67. Five years later, Michell's "Taxi" re-entered and rode to No. 24. Amy Grant remade "Taxi" in 1995, and it went to No. 67. That represented Mitchell's most recent appearance on the Hot 100 as a songwriter until this issue. The first song Mitchell wrote that charted was "Both Sides Now." Judy Collins' version entered the Hot 100 the week of Nov. 9, 1968, ultimately peaking at No. 8. That gives Mitchell a songwriting chart span of 34 years, three months, and three weeks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 14:01:47 -0400 From: greenstudio Subject: cadmium For chrissake, now we've devoted days to joni's ingestion of nicotine, let's move on. How about a week of discussion about the effects of alcohol on her verse (Not nice that "pissed a tequila anaconda" line, not at all, downright inaapropriate for kids...my mommy didn't like it a bit) Or maybe how her hand would be steadier if she hadn't been sucking back cadmium from her paints all these years. She's pissing in yer fireplace guys. Get over it. There's plenty of excellent pipes about and they don't do dick all with them. Like Canada's national embarrassment Celine Dion, ever caterwauling in perfect pitch some piece of drivel with the depth of a ham glaze. Bigger waste than Joni smokiing. What's this "virgin voice" fetish anyway? Bring back the castrados? I quit. bye. Learned a neat trick over the weekend from my niece and nephew. Sing Joni's early stuff in curly-joe voice(Bald one of the three stooges). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:12:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni's smoking cul heath wrote: > Most addictions (including TV watching, shaving armspits and legs,etc) are only a problem when the object of the addiction is withheld I sure don't want to get onto a big smoking jag-but the above statement was too absurd not to challenge. We could start with emphesema, lung cancer, lip, tongue and throat cancer....I'm not trying to lecture anyone on what they should do with their own bodies and lives. But some smokers on this list wonder why the people around them don't just leave them alone. One reason, other than their psychotic need to control and humiliate you might be that they love you. Some of them have seen their loved ones die premature, painful, undignified deaths, and envision a different alternative. That's all I'm going to say. You are the captain of your own ship. RR btw people die of heroin overdose, lie, steal, etc to do it. There is no benign addiction, but some have a higher cost than others. Some kill you fast (speed), some slow. Worst are the legal ones; cigs, liquor, TV. Life is lethal-but there are no replays. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:46:25 -0700 From: "David Foley" Subject: JMDL Vine#1 Joni Mitchell & James Taylor - London 10/29/70 I am in the position of being able to offer this vine to someone who will be able to re-offer to the list and make an offer to the burnerless. Please mail me and I'll choose someone at random. I can also offer a copy of the show to three people who are burnerless. Best Wishes david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:10:19 EDT From: ROSCOE1TC@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 there's a message in me somewhere. i'm just not sure if it's ready to come out. joni mitchell is, above all, an ARTIST. she'd paint with blood if she had to.....berry juice, mud, whatever. she'd make music with sticks and rocks. artists just create; they have to. so this talk of her voice. whether it's better or worse, who knows? who's to say? but it's the instrument she has to use at this point, and she will create as always.... i, for one, have always been amazed and thrilled by her creations. time to quit? if so, it's not for the lack of an amazing instrument. i would imagine that she'll always write, paint, play, sing; i don't imagine she can help it.... and i'm glad. the question is just whether or not she'll share it with us. i certainly hope so, but i suppose there's some greediness in that statement. all i have to do is look at the joni mitchell shelf of my cd collection and i realize the vast treasure she has given me. sincerely, terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:13:28 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 Amen to that. I just know she's got it in her. One last trick up her sleeve. Steve T NP: You Turn Me On...(MOI) - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 > there's a message in me somewhere. i'm just not sure if it's ready to come > out. joni mitchell is, above all, an ARTIST. she'd paint with blood if she > had to.....berry juice, mud, whatever. she'd make music with sticks and rocks. > artists just create; they have to. so this talk of her voice. whether it's > better or worse, who knows? who's to say? but it's the instrument she has to > use at this point, and she will create as always.... i, for one, have always > been amazed and thrilled by her creations. time to quit? if so, it's not > for the lack of an amazing instrument. i would imagine that she'll always > write, paint, play, sing; i don't imagine she can help it.... and i'm glad. the > question is just whether or not she'll share it with us. i certainly hope > so, but i suppose there's some greediness in that statement. all i have to do > is look at the joni mitchell shelf of my cd collection and i realize the vast > treasure she has given me. > > sincerely, > terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 23:37:07 +0300 From: jussi Subject: new S+L, Geffen box set ? hi while looking for more information about the geffen box set (didn't find much), i came across this listing: Joni Mitchell Shadows And Light 6/24/2003 anyone know what this might be? (http://www.beindependent.com/releases.asp) about the box set, i only found this: Joni Mitchell Passion Play - The Complete Geffen Recordings [box Set] 9/9/2003 i suppose the tracks will be remastered, but will there be extras on the set? - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:01:28 -0400 From: Bruce Righter Subject: Joni's "Shadows and Light" It's a DVD--I assume of the live performance that gave us the LP "S & L" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:10:46 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Joni in JAZZIZ Just received the July issue of JAZZIZ magazine - the women's issue. There is an article reviewing the Wall-to-Wall Joni event (that took place in March for chrissakes!) and a jazz review of Joni by Rachel Z. I will scan the articles into a Word document (including images). If anyone would like a copy, please e-mail me privately. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:18:44 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: joni's smoking In almost every interview I've ever heard, she's been asked about smoking. Guys, she's well-read. She's aware that smoking is a health risk. She's tried to kick many times. She seems to be super-human in other areas. I don't think Homer's Achilles would like to talk about his feet all the time, right? And now, a word from our sponsor.... Support my vacation: Buy my amp! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3029578048 Lama np: "1" on a dead-silent, extra-heavy pressing. As Simon would say, "Same as it ever was." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:01:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cadmium --- greenstudio wrote: > For chrissake, now we've devoted days to joni's > ingestion of nicotine, > let's move on. How about a week of discussion about > the effects of > alcohol on her verse (Not nice that "pissed a > tequila anaconda" line, > not at all, downright inaapropriate for kids...my > mommy didn't like it a > bit) Has there been THAT much discussion about Joni's smoking habit? All I've noticed is people telling other people to f**k themselves and to stop acting righteous. I hadn't noticed anyone doing that. Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni's smoking --- Randy Remote wrote: > cul heath wrote: > > > Most addictions (including TV watching, shaving > armspits and legs,etc) are only a problem when the > object of the addiction is withheld I've never met anyone who was addicted to armpit and leg shaving. How tragic. Especially if done with a rusty razorblade. Ouch - that's gotta hurt! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:20:54 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Important Jonifest Information- Last Call! As you all know, June 15th is the deadline for all forms, money, etc. for Jonifest. It's also no secret that we have not met our numbers quota. Since Full Moon receives calls on an almost daily basis to book rooms for the summer months, one of the options I have to meet my obligations to Full Moon is to release the empty rooms to them to sell to outside people that want a weekend in the Catskills. Unfortunately, what this means is that if I do this, we would no longer have the place exclusively. It would be my preference to fill Full Moon with Jonifesters. This is a *last * call for anyone that is still on the fence to go to Jonifest. I only need ten more people to secure Full Moon exclusively for Jonifest. On June 16th, if I dont have the required number that I need, I will call Full Moon to release those rooms that are not yet taken. I URGE you, if you are on the fence about Jonifest, or if you have decided to come but haven't sent the money yet, PLEASE send what you need to me so it is IN HAND by June 15th. Hugs, Ashara www.jonifest.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:46:43 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: PermaVine Update Just for the record, I've sent the PermaVine original that I had to Terry, email address; TerryM2222. Anyone not owning a CD burner that wants a copy may contact her. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:14:13 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 Bob Murphy - You must realize how interested I am in this subject, and yet you were so careless in typing your links that I could not find even one of the articles you listed in your post. How infuriating ! How insensitive ! I think all insensitive people should go to hell.............. Er, you weren't yanking my chain, were you ? You were ?! Your post was directed at me, wasn't it ? It wasn't ?! Never mind. Bobsart On June 9 the following items were published: 1953: "Saskatoon Girl Claims Cigarette Smoking Cured Polio" - The Plains Gazette (Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=768547 1969: "I Am Joni's Lung" - Reader's Digest (Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=383426 1974: "Make Lovely Ashtrays from Your Old Dulcimers" - Better Homes and Gardens (Crafts tips) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=510326 1977: "How to Tune Your Guitar to Your Nagging Cough" - Alternative Guitar Magazine (Interview with guitar tabs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=422219 1986: "'I Could Smoke a Carton of You,' Gasps Folk Legend" - Cigarette Aficionado (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=779299 1998: "Joni Mitchell Finds Lost Cigarettes Through Internet" - People Magazine (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=419941 2000: "I inhale my nicotine and I exhale my joy" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=513299 2002: "Pop Icon Receives Lifetime Achievement Award" - Winston Salem Independent (Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=037937 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:25:15 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: Re: joni's smoking Randy Remote wrote: cul heath wrote: Most addictions (including TV watching, shaving armspits and legs,etc) are only a problem when the object of the addiction is withheld I sure don't want to get onto a big smoking jag- sure you do but the above statement was too absurd not to challenge. ok...go for it... We could start with emphesema, lung cancer, lip, tongue and throat cancer.... is that spread out several courses or does it come as one sort sweetbread melange? I always found the mix of gasping emphesema and slurred the speech of advanced tongue cancer to somewhat contradictive to the arual palette and therforefore bit hard to swallow, but perhaps you have discovered a new technique of bringing them together in the same old argument. You of course do realize that all of those diseases occur in the nonsmoker as well? Smoking is simply the latest religious whipping boy and the fervor with with it is attacked by one and all as the prime cause of modern lung, mouth and (fill in the blank) does a disservice to everyone in that so much energy is spent on the obvious tabacco cause of such ailments that manyother equally or even more dangerous environmental agents are let off the hook and continue to go into the environment unchallenged and for the most incredibly under-investigated. Consider that there has been a huge reduction the percentage of the population which smokes and yet, lung cancer has not decreased proportionately at all. In fact, many ailments which had formerly been assigned as probably caused by smoking in the past are not being reduced but rather are on an incredible increase. I think that while smoking is not an activity one should take up as a habit, ie, as a constant fixture of one's day to day life, that mild smoking likely has no effect whatsoever on the overall health of an individual that has a reasonable amount of aerobic activity in their lives and that like many other pleasures which involve intentionally disturbing the homeostatic functions of the human body (like sex or hard dancing or skydiving for instance) there is always a bit of cellular damage to account for afterwards, but it is generally within the recovery capacity of the body undergoing the normal stresses of living . In fact such willful expenditures of cellular resources seem to be advantagous. The real killers are: 1) chemicals that mimic normal human hormones(many fertilizers and pesticides have breakdown components that act like estrogen in many ways) 2) Stress, caused by : a) Crowding b) Frustration c) Performance expectations 3) Perpetual state of sleep deprivation 4) The Great Disconnect I'm not trying to lecture anyone on what they should do with their own bodies and lives. Me either...:) But some smokers on this list wonder why the people around them don't just leave them alone. One reason, other than their psychotic need to control and humiliate you might be that they love you. Love is no excuse whatsoever for not trusting a person to make their own decision and live their own lives. In fact without that trust the love you speak to is really arrogance wrapped in a falsely sweet sentimental wrapper. We all sense this. It is why no one wants to be patronized. It requires a state of belittlement in orer to achieve its ends, which is primarly:"Do (or Dont do) that in order to please me." Some of them have seen their loved ones die premature, painful, undignified deaths, and envision a different alternative. I know...and I respect that point of view. I just don't let it win automatically That's all I'm going to say. You are the captain of your own ship. RR Thank you... btw people die of heroin overdose, lie, steal, etc to do it. There is no benign addiction, but some have a higher cost than others. Some kill you fast (speed), some slow. Worst are the legal ones; cigs, liquor, TV. Life is lethal-but there are no replays. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:25:36 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: June 10 1997: Joni was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in New York City. She joined Phil Spector, Harlan Howard, Ernesto Lecuona and Jimmie Kennedy as the 28th annual inductees. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:25:37 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 10 On June 10 the following items were published: 1979: "Joni Mitchell Has Her Mojo Working" - Los Angeles Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=595 1979: "Mitchell Enters The Jazz Age" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=596 1993: "Troubadours of Folk" - Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1044 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:36:49 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #320 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:59:15 +0400 From: Stu Rutherford Subject: Re: Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? Hi all, I've got one of the disks. I posted a message to all (as requested) offering it to anyone outside of the US - no replies. I then replied to one guy in England (asking for his address) who posted a message to all asking about the possibility of getting the disk - he did not reply! By the way, I still think this is a gread idea and I hope there will be another permavine coming up soon! Cheers, Stu CDTraderJohn@aol.com wrote: >I've noticed that all 8 of the Joni/James PermaVines I've put out there seem >to have completely disappeared from the planet! > >Would those of you who had the discs last please post information to the list >as to who you sent them to. As you know, the intention was for these discs >to continue circulating so others could copy and enjoy them. All originals >must be sent onto the next recipient and are marked as such. > >A copy of the PermaVine rules follow. Please get these circulating again! > >Thanks, > >John in Massachusetts > > >PERMA-VINE RULES: >1) When you receive your Perma-Vine disc you must MAKE COPIES FOR YOURSELF >and re-post an offer on JMDL. You will forward the ORIGINAL DISC onto the next >recipient (you may NOT keep the original Perma-Vine disc). This method >ensures that all participants can get a clean, glitch-free copy of this show >directly off the original disc. > >2) You must re-post your offer of this vine only to JMDL. (NOTE: Please give >digesters ample opportunity to respond, too.) Once you have selected the >next recipient, you must post their name, e-mail and state/country to the JMDL >list. If, after TWO postings within a 48-hour period, there is no response, you >may then, and only then, post the Perma-Vine offer to another group, but you >MUST post an announcement to JMDL indicating which group you have transferred >this Perma-Vine to. > >3) By requesting these Perma-Vine discs, you have agreed to make this show >available to those who are unable to burn copies for themselves (and, thus, >cannot participate directly in this Perma-Vine). You agree to post an offer(s) on >JMDL for at least one burnerless individual as soon as you have forwarded the >original Perma-Vine disc onto the next recipient. You must post the name, >e-mail and state/country of the burnerless recipient to the JMDL list. >Additionally, you may B+P or trade this to as many as you like AFTER you have >forwarded the Perma-Vine discs onto the next recipient. You are not required to post >subsequent trades or B+P's to the list > >4) You further agree to keep the Perma-Vine disc in your possession no longer >than 72 hours before re-offering. > >5) Lastly, you agree to ENJOY this music immensely! > > >Here is the track information: > >1) That Song About the Midway Joni >2) The Gallery Joni >3) Rainy Day Man James >4) Steamroller Blues James >5) The Priest Joni >6) Carey Joni >7) Carolina in My Mind James >8) California Joni + James >9) For Free Joni + James >10) The Circle Game Joni + James >11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James >12) Hunter Joni >13) River Joni >14) My Old Man Joni >15) A Case of You Joni >16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #189 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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