From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, June 8 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 187 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- When is it time to quit? or better than ever... ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni Mitchell and Mark Knopfler [Chrys Jordan ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #186 [twoshoes@sasktel.net] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #316 [Kardinel@aol.com] joni's smoking [Aerchak@aol.com] RE: joni's smoking ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Back To The Garden [Deb Messling ] Re: Time to quit? [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #186 [colin ] Re: joni's smoking [colin ] RE: Time to quit? ["Robert Argento" ] After dusk, downpour abode [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: Time to quit? [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: After dusk, downpour abode ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Illuminated Christian Sabbath ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni Videos Available [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell and Mark Knopfler [Randy Remote ] Re: Illuminated Christian Sabbath ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: When is it time to quit? or better than ever... i saw odetta about a year or so ago...she sat on a stool but she sang great! as far as better than ever i'd put neil young & bob dylan in that category (live performance)... okay it helps to have an ace band but still...janice ian solo- like several have mentioned, is better than ever! oh & richie havens (solo of course), while it would be hard to be better than he has been cuz he's always been extraoridinary...he is as good as ever! who else... speaking of dylan, i'm reeling from an extraordinary tribute to dylan that we did weds night...we had super stars alongside local folks playing & singing & there was no way you could draw a line between the performances...the songs are so potent again in these times & there was one young guy who sang that freaked me out he sounded so much like dylan! it was a multigenerational, multigender tribute... as soon as i get the firm date for the joni tribute i will let ya'll know...these tribute shows just keep getting better... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:42:20 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: The Meeting - A Piece of FICTION It was like any morning, Jamie got up, had a smoke, showered, dried off, had another smoke while waiting for the water to boil. While waiting for his tea to cool he lit up. It was 7.30 another start to the long day. What he didn't know was this was going to be a longer and more extraordinary day than he could have imagined. 'The number 37 takes it's time to get here' he thought, lighting up another fag at the bus stop. 'I'm glad I live on this route, it takes me straight to Putney.' Having said that he wondered why. He's never been to Putney. The bus wasn't crowded but he prefers to sit up the top, because there's no driver. The top level was fairly empty save for someone sitting in a cloud of smoke at the back. 'Oh good,' he thought,' I can smoke.' He sat in front of the figure dressed in black who was permanently clouded in a shroud of fag fog. Settling down to read his borrowed copy of 'Lord of the Rings' hr lst himself to a world that was very different to the one he was living in. Not too different to the one in his head, but it wasn't Brixton. There was a tapping on his shoulder, he turned to see the long fingers of a bony hands of a woman. Attached to it was a long slender cigarette, unlit. 'Galadriel is my favourite character,'came this husky Canadian voice,'Camel? she offered. 'Joni,' he said, which made her splutter her cigarette which made him stop in his tracks. 'Sorry, I didn't mean to make you choke'. 'That's okay,' she said between smoke filed coughs,' this isnt meant to happen. Culturally this is imppossible' 'What do you mean?' 'Well, this is Brixton, it's predominantly black, you're half Malaysian, I'm Canadian of possibly Swedish and Irish-Scotch descent.' 'This happens all the time..... in my head.' 'Oh' she said worriedly, clutching her handbag. 'Can I ask, Joanjoan... What are you doing up so early? 'Up?' she said, 'I haven't been to bed!' (This is a piece of fiction that I wrote when I should've been stuffing envelopes and archiving some reports. If you feel like you want to contribute privately please reply to jamie.zubairi@metrosafety.co.uk) much Joni JamieZoob - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:27:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni tribs In a message dated 6/7/2003 3:01:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > horrible import called "I Came Upon A Child of God - A > Tribute to Joni Mitchell" with various artists who are > not even mentioned on the liner notes! Cruel stuff.> Yes, that is none too good, from a UK outfit called "Dressed To Kill", a record company who specializes in these tribute things, quickly made and cheaply sold. This one was $7.99 the day it came out, and like you say has no liner notes or artist information. (I do have the artists names if anyone needs that info) And the songs are ALL the ones you'd expect, with arrangements you'd expect. With the exception of "Chinese Cafe"...I suppose they just bought her "Hits" CD and went to work ripping it off. So far, Joni tribute CD's include: - -Back To The Garden (Canadian) - -A Bird That Whistles (Sweden) - -Came Upon A Child Of God (UK) - -Big Yellow Taxi (Denmark) - -Lydia van Dam, Both Side Now (Holland) - -Rachel Z, Moon At The Window (US) - -David Lahm, Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell (US) - -David Lahm, More Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell (US) Then there's the infamous "A Case Of Joni" which has been collecting dust on the Reprise shelves for awhile now. Don't know if we'll ever hear that one. It wouldn't surprise me if the ya-hoos at Reprise are waiting for Joni to expire to capitalize on the sales potential. Also worthy of note: The JMDL's "Joni Covers" series, now numbering about 50 cd's worth and still going strong! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:40:30 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #315 - money Since I wrote that I wouldn't go, I have to emphasize that I was talking about the degree of aging that Mark described in his original Anita O'Day email. I would visit her for a cup of tea and conversation any time, including in the fog of the end years, but would not want to have my final image of her as a performing artist be that which Mark described. Joni is a long, long, long, long, long time away from this scenario. I have always accepted (and sometimes wildly applauded) her changes, including the most recent ones evidenced on T'log, but that's not what Mark is talking about, IMHO. Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: BRYAN8847@aol.com [mailto:BRYAN8847@aol.com] Sent: Sat 6/7/2003 1:09 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #315 - money I'm sure she doesn't need the money ... Who knows what kind of expenses Joni has, but in terms of income, if covering her songs remains fashionable among recording artists, she will never have to worry about income. For example, if the Counting Crows current album continues to sell at a good clip (if the next single does well and, by the way, Big Yellow Taxi is still climbing the charts in two radio formats nearly six months after release), Joni could well make at least $250,000 in royalties off that one recording alone. (Sorry for the horrible sentence structure, I am a professional writer, believe it or not). As for the question "Would I go to see Joni in concert if I knew she was frail and couldn't sing any more," well, I have thought of that very thing. I guess I would go. It raised a ruckus here when I concluded after the Travelogue release that that time has pretty much already come, as far as the voice is concerned. I know some agree with that and others don't. But if she toured again in the near future (which she won't), I would go. I am still so very grateful that I got to see her shows in 1998 and 2000. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:15:35 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: time to quit ? - alternate thread > . SoulQuest7@aol.com wrote > > I think I heard or read somewhere that Joni liked smoking because it kept > her voice low! While this might shock those of us who love her soprano > flights > on those early albums, it might make sense given her love of Billy Holiday. > Well, I think her little experiment has been effective enough at this point. To cull from another thread title - when is it time to quit ? I know hundreds of people (myself included) who have quit smoking, and not one regrets it - we all feel better, breathe better, taste better, and smell better (sorry smokers - that double entendre was intended). I know many (not necessarily a majority of) smokers who say they would prefer to quit. Perhaps Joni should (I know, 'should' is a big word) take up the challenge at this point. Georgia O'Keefe was right. Joni should live. And she should both compose and perform. Otherwise she will probably lose the benefits of crop rotation and her painting will become sterile. And she wouldn't want that, I'm sure. Plus, it would be a great personal challenge for her at this point. Everyone needs a good challenge from time to time, to get the juices flowing again. Losing weight, getting in shape, cutting back on alcohol/drug ingestion, getting back into production mode, whatever. Wouldn't it be great if she could live to see her grandchildren grow up ? Share her wisdom with them ? And a little bit of love ? Instead of letting them share the joy of watching her die too soon after suffering terribly ? I think we should keep working on Joni. Anyone got her e-mail address ? If so, feel free to forward this message to her. Hope she reads the occasional digest. There's a lot of affection for her out here (I'm loath to call it love, but it feels like love to me - how many dry eyes would there be if she were to show up at Joni fest ?). It would be a selfless act for her to quit - and a selfish one too. Parfait ! On second thought, she probably doesn't have the self-discipline (or love of family and friends) to quit. Heck, she may not even love herself enough to quit. Bobsart ;-) PS - I think guilt (not to be confused with fear and intimidation) is a constructive - and too often maligned - emotion (it's worked may times for me). It lets me know when I've done the wrong thing. "If you're not feeling holy, your loneliness tells you you've sinned". Gotta go - time for me to work on my own flaws for a change. Where to start ? Shutting up, no doubt. Hey, I did wink, didn't I ? Not good enough, I know. Well, smoking certainIy doesn't stop me from either liking or loving someone. Some of my best friends are smokers. My late first wife was a smoker............geez, I'm feeling guilty and holy at the same time. Too much duality. Multiplicity, even. Can't wait for Jonifest - somebody, please straighten me out now :-) !! PPS - I do not remember having ever said this before in public. It must all be Joni's fault.......... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:24:58 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Lignininousstuff and F-18's Arf! Arf! Arf! Michael's "Lignininousstuff," like all the thesaurus parodies, is a hoot, and I have thoroughly enjoyed them. Quibbling on a minor point, however, I don't believe the F-18 (now designated the F/A-18 as a dual-role fighter and attack aircraft) was in service by 1969; it was still in development then. I have reference books at home that I can check in. I'm at the public library now. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. - --------------------------------------------------------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:05:27 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: lignininousstuff Lignininousstuff I encountered the Deity's little one, He was perambulating along the way, And I enquired, what exactly is your destination? And to thus he replied: I am headed towards Yasgur's homestead, Whence I shall become one with a stone and tumble group, And I shall pitch my tent on that earth, there And endeavor to liberate my spirit. We are all bits of cosmic matter, We are all noble; And we should all hastily retreat To that sacred, planted place. Well then, may I perambulate along at your side? I have arrived at this place to escape the brownishness; It's as if I were a gear In something larger Going 'round and 'round. Well perhaps it is simply the Here and Now, Or it might just be the How of Humanity, I don't understand myself, And, alas, there is much to comprehend. We are all bits of cosmic matter, We are all noble. And we should all hastily retreat To that sacred, planted place. When we arrived at that town, exactly 30 kilometes due west of JONIFEST, We were 500,000 or more, With merriment and melody abounding. And I imagined just for an instant, there were F-18's in the heavens, Metamorphosing into morphos, Beyond us all. We are all bits of cosmic matter, We are all noble; And we should all hastily retreat To that sacred, planted place. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:35:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chrys Jordan Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Mark Knopfler Been playing Mark's latest solo endeavours along with older Joni Mitchell material and it occurs to me how much similarity there is in their lyrical style. I would love to see them perform together. Bettery yet, do an album together. I think Joni and Mark would bring out the best in each other. 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Best regards, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:21:14 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Back To The Garden Stephen writes: << Stephen in Vancouver >> Buy her the damn rings and move here ASAP! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:51:38 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #315 - money, singing, etc. Mark - Actually I do think Joni can still sing. It's just that on about half the songs on T'log there are some painfully obvious limitations and some sour notes. So it's a hit and miss thing, so to speak. I still worship the water Joni walks on. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:54:52 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #315 - money, singing etc. I would walk barefoot down a long and winding and difficult road for the chance to have conversation and tea with Joni! The question of the condition of her voice is another issue....but enough about that now. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Back To The Garden Well, they're known but are they WELL known? Not really. We're not talking Diana, Alanis, Avril or Celine here. Or even Jann Arden or Sarah Harmer. - -Andrew - --- frasere@intergate.ca wrote: > Quoting Little Bird : > > > As a Canadian I can tell you that none of the > artists > > on the "Back to the Garden" tribute are well known > > here. Sloan is the exception, as Bob mentioned. > > > > > This Canadian tends to disagree! > > Molly Johnson is well known as a jazz/cabaret > singer. > Martha and the Muffins were very hot about 15 yrs > ago and known both across the > country and abroad. > Hugh Marsh I believe was Bruce Cockburn's violinist > for many, many years, and > has a name as a solo act. > Spirit of the West have been around for quite some > time and are still > considered a "name". > Art Bergmann has been around for ever and pretty > well known as a > singer/songwriter. > > Best regards, > Stephen in Vancouver __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:14:14 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #186 > From: SoulQuest7@aol.com > I think it's not just smoking, but aging in general that decreases your vocal > range, flexibility, etc. If you hum every day, your vocal cords will stay in shape and your voice will remain youthful and you can fool anyone on the phone. > I think I heard or read somewhere that Joni liked smoking because it kept > her voice low! While this might shock those of us who love her soprano > flights > on those early albums, I've recently listened to all her early albums, and if I am recalling correctly, I heard her use her low voice a number of times -- even in those early days. So it was always there -- she was just choosing to sing in a higher key. It surprised me, that's why I noticed. Kate du Nord ~~ http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? ~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:27:21 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #316 Raymond Carver, the writer, once described himself as " a cigarette with a body attached to it." I guess this reminds me of someone else we all know and love. Yes, there is no doubt Joni's voice isn't that great but she is much more than a singer. I still wish she would do an album with a small jazz quartet and write her own songs. She still could do it! Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:35:59 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: joni's smoking I really wish this ridiculous discussion of Joni's smoking hadn't reared it's ugly head again. She's been smoking for 50 years and it's her business, not ours. There is nothing more annoying than people nagging you about smoking and my guess is she feels the same way. We all know it's a bad thing. There is nothing new to be said about it. The author, Lillian Hellman, smoked until the day she died at 91 and I am fairly certain lung cancer did not kill her. Stop beating a dead horse. It is such a bore. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:33:27 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: joni's smoking > I really wish this ridiculous discussion of Joni's smoking hadn't reared it's > ugly head again. She's been smoking for 50 years and it's her business, not > ours. There is nothing more annoying than people nagging you about smoking > and my guess is she feels the same way Some people would say there's nothing more annoying than other people telling you what to post but that's their business not mine. My own opinion is that it's a sensitive issue that noone is going to agree on and probably not worth discussing but I figured that it would simply fade away on its own as most things usually do. Victor, just waking up from a nap...definately awake now ps. thanks for the martini Kakki!!!! Can't wait to see you...drink one for me at the Jaime festival this weekend. Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:34:26 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Back To The Garden Hey, I live in the States and even I know Martha and the Muffins, Hugh Marsh and Spirit of the West! What song did Hugh Marsh cover? >Hugh Marsh I believe was Bruce Cockburn's violinist for many, many years, and >has a name as a solo act. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:09:26 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Time to quit? In a message dated 07/06/2003 01:31:08 GMT Daylight Time, robert@argento.se writes: << But the argument that "she can't sing anymore" doesn't hold for me - and for several reasons. >> It isn't an argument, Robert, it's an opinion that I hold. It's not amenable to changing by argument, as I know what her voice sounds like now, and I can't bear to hear it. I *might* change my mind, but that would only be through hearing something that was more pleasing to my ears. << True, her voice has changed (so has yours if you are as old as we of the Joni generation). I feel that she uses this change in order to emphasize the older - more mature - interpretations that she now gives to some of her work. >> Fair enough, that is your opinion - and one that I don't share. << But Azeem was speaking not of this but rather the "art of singing". >> Eh? I have no idea where you get this idea from! Sorry if this sounds a bit snippy, Robert, it's nothing personal, just where I am at the moment, and reflecting that I don't appreciate being misrepresented. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:22:27 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #186 >I've recently listened to all her early albums, and if I am recalling >correctly, I heard her use her low voice a number of times -- even in those >early days. > definately-just listen to STAS. > So it was always there -- she was just choosing to sing in a >higher key. It surprised me, that's why I noticed. > >Kate du Nord > >~~ >http://xoetc.antville.org >Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? >~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:29:31 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: joni's smoking I agree i part with oyu. I do think people must be left to feel free to post what they will on whatever, topic, even J's smoking, tho. Having said that, i totally agree with about it being no one's business and is flogging a dead horse. some people it seems just cannot accpet we all die and grow old. Death is NOT inevitable to these people, it must be caused, and what better than to blame the individual for their own death? In that way, they can carry on in denial about the the fact they too will die whether they smoke, eat fat, drink, have sex, drive, fly, or stay in a safe clean room all their life. Death comes to us all. Don't deny it. Live each day knowing, rwally knwoing, it could be your last. Otherwise you are wasting it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:52:25 -0400 From: "Robert Argento" Subject: RE: Time to quit? Of course, Azeem - I realized that you meant an opinion - and it is certainly a valid one. We sometimes live in the past and wish that life was static and without change. Modern technology gives us the possibility to do this, at least when it concerns musicians and movie actors and such. The opinion still is based upon the (valid) desire to compare something, in this case music, to an Ideal. Closer to the ideal = more pleasing. Further from the ideal would mean less pleasing. For some of us the ideal Joni was the one of our (or at least HER) Youth. My choice of the word "art of singing" was, of course referring to such an ideal. I believe that when we use such few-dimentional value judgements that we are implying an ideal. It is comman and natural and leads to a linear scale " better.....worse", a comparison. In Jonis case her voice has gone through changes - some good - some bad - some through abuse and some due to simple aging. In any case she IS using her voice of today to reinterpret her words today. If we want the Joni of 1969, luckily we have her recordings. In this case we actually can have both the New and the Old! I am really not argueing with you. The Arts are there to be open to many individual interpretations. I would never attemp to convince a person who did not like Riesling that they did, indeed, simply LOVE Reislings. I know the wines in my cellar change with the years - some to the better and some to the worse. Some go past their prime, as do we. I still enjoy them. Some would cast them aside. Myself, I enjoy following their development. And I WILL admit that even I do sometimes long back to the Reislings of 1976 - - though they are all either consumed by this time or long over the hill. Robban - -----Original Message----- From: AzeemAK@aol.com [mailto:AzeemAK@aol.com] Sent: den 7 juni 2003 19:09 To: robert@argento.se; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Time to quit? In a message dated 07/06/2003 01:31:08 GMT Daylight Time, robert@argento.se writes: << But the argument that "she can't sing anymore" doesn't hold for me - and for several reasons. >> It isn't an argument, Robert, it's an opinion that I hold. It's not amenable to changing by argument, as I know what her voice sounds like now, and I can't bear to hear it. I *might* change my mind, but that would only be through hearing something that was more pleasing to my ears. << True, her voice has changed (so has yours if you are as old as we of the Joni generation). I feel that she uses this change in order to emphasize the older - more mature - interpretations that she now gives to some of her work. >> Fair enough, that is your opinion - and one that I don't share. << But Azeem was speaking not of this but rather the "art of singing". >> Eh? I have no idea where you get this idea from! Sorry if this sounds a bit snippy, Robert, it's nothing personal, just where I am at the moment, and reflecting that I don't appreciate being misrepresented. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:02:21 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: After dusk, downpour abode Hi, dears! I dared with this joyful game, and this *joyful* song indeed! I didn't felt free with "That case of thee" :-) After dusk, downpour abode After dusk and pouring down we hired a cab to your maternal abode She flew to golden retirement's state, abandoned thee lonely with the male part of family On her light and single quilt I slumbered You waked all through the dark, staring at me for look out what person I am, really I've got a past, catechized I weave high notes for hymns at mass You're a saint like Wolfman Jack I waked all through the dark, staring at thee for look out what person you are, really You told I was so fair! You told your mother, bronzed by the sun she was Then, gathered your teepee and migrated, fled to spend your age at Sonora desert You exiled yourself off a riches' entourage You abandoned all the high class' industry for look out what person you are, really Yours, Emiliano who besides loving teacher, loves being learner, too! PS: obviously, I used my pocket dicty! NP: The Gallery, 10/29/'70 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:38:16 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell's shoes Muller writes: > Well, now I've seen it all... > . > > Bob, waiting now for Les to offer up the "Joni in Footwear" section on the > JMDL. Paz should be the one to run it as I have it on good authority that he > wears Candies in private. > Muller- I LICK Candies in private Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:59:27 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: Time to quit? > Yes, there is no doubt Joni's voice isn't that great but she is much more > than a singer. I still wish she would do an album with a small jazz quartet > and write her own songs. She still could do it! Maureen I totally agree with you Maureen!: that jazz quartet, small-but-precious is sure a safe place for Joni... May she will be older than Anita! In fact, my regret with BSN & T'logue is that orchestrations, specially the intros to the standards! It has sooooo a touch of "grandeur", of "mainstream"! Sure we all love that reverie winds, I really cried of joy hearing Amelia's intro ;-) The case of Billy Holiday is very clear: in her "Fine and mellow", or even "Lady in satin" she had lost her voice's *power*, but her sacred gifted style, her intonations... Hi, Robban! I was delighted by your post! The Arts are there to be open!!!!!!! That Reislings statement is *great* May come the time we share some together! Emiliano NP. enjoying Joni & James again and again and again - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Argento" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:52 AM Subject: RE: Time to quit? > Of course, Azeem - I realized that you meant an opinion - and it is > certainly a valid one. We sometimes live in the past and wish that life > was static and without change. Modern technology gives us the possibility > to do this, at least when it concerns musicians and movie actors and such. > > The opinion still is based upon the (valid) desire to compare something, in > this case music, to an Ideal. Closer to the ideal = more pleasing. Further > from the ideal would mean less pleasing. For some of us the ideal Joni was > the one of our (or at least HER) Youth. > > My choice of the word "art of singing" was, of course referring to such an > ideal. I believe that when we use such few-dimentional value judgements > that we are implying an ideal. It is comman and natural and leads to a > linear scale " better.....worse", a comparison. > > In Jonis case her voice has gone through changes - some good - some bad - > some through abuse and some due to simple aging. In any case she IS using > her voice of today to reinterpret her words today. If we want the Joni of > 1969, luckily we have her recordings. In this case we actually can have > both the New and the Old! > > I am really not argueing with you. The Arts are there to be open to many > individual interpretations. I would never attemp to convince a person who > did not like Riesling that they did, indeed, simply LOVE Reislings. > > I know the wines in my cellar change with the years - some to the better and > some to the worse. Some go past their prime, as do we. I still enjoy them. > Some would cast them aside. Myself, I enjoy following their development. > > And I WILL admit that even I do sometimes long back to the Reislings of 1976 > - though they are all either consumed by this time or long over the hill. > > Robban ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: Illuminated Christian Sabbath The female operates the blinds It's only an encore of an illuminated Christian sabbath She hides from the illumination like that street car woman Flaming hues diminish on such an illuminated Christian Sabbath The female anticipates the nocturne to occur Then she aims her hand held firearm through the portal And she takes mark of the roadway illuminator All whilst the thoroughfare sibilates Canines verbalize as the weapon gravitates to the parterre The roadway illuminator continues to incandesce The female's aim point is never struck Moreover once her aim point is struck Will be the occasion of her departure That singular triumph is her total requirement The female draws the blinds It's only an encore of an illuminated day after Christian Sabbath She anticipates the nocturne to occur. *magsnbrei* You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:18:20 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: After dusk, downpour abode > Yours, Emiliano > > who besides loving teacher, loves being learner, too! > > > > PS: obviously, I used my pocket dicty! > I think you did a fantastic job, Emiliano! Bravo! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:22:56 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Illuminated Christian Sabbath > It's only an encore of an illuminated day after Christian Sabbath > She anticipates the nocturne to occur. > > > *magsnbrei* And Bravo, Mags! A stellar effort indeed! Mark E. in Seattle ...somewhat annoyed and disappointed that his post has provoked yet another argument about the current state of Joni's singing voice which is not at all what he intended or was looking for feedback on....sigh.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:26:12 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni Videos Available Hi Everyone, Some people have asked what is on the video trees, and what videos are available to JMDL members for blanks and postage or the monetary equivalent of same. I was surprised that I didn't have this saved somewhere, so I figured as long as I was sending it to people, I would post it to the whole list. If you want any of these videos, please e-mail me privately. Please remember that this is NOT for profit in any way. It is for your enjoyment only, and NOT for resale. BAD KARMA will follow you otherwise. Hugs, Ashara VideoTree #1 (October 1997, PAL and NTSC): Two 2-hour video tapes containing: Late Show w/ David Letterman (November 4, 1996) Rosie O'Donnell Show (November 8, 1996) Dick Cavett Show (August 18, 1969) Billboard Award (December 9, 1995) American Journal - Joni & Kilauren story (1997) Amnesty International performance (June 15, 1986) Turbulent Indigo Grammy Award (February 28, 1994) Rita & Friends Troubadours of Folk (June 5, 1993) Isle of Wight (1970) VH1 Coast to Coast blues jam Tonight Show w/Leno (December 12, 1995) VH1 to 1 - Night Ride Home promotion (1991) Late Show w/Letterman (April 24, 1995) "Shiny Toys" video CBS This Morning (January 3, 1995) A&E Biography (April 12, 1991) The Late Show (BBC) (Autumn 1994) Gabereau Live (CBC) - Joni/Kilauren interview - September 22, 1997 Great Sanyo Experience (The Japan Concert) (May 22, 1994) Anton Corbijn (BBC) - "Secret Place" video Wired (BBC) Wogan (BBC) VideoTree #2 Two 2-hour video tapes containing: CBC NEWS ~ The National re: Mendel Gallery 'VOICES' Exhibition June 30, 2000 Mendel Gallery PRESS CONFERENCE Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000 'VOICES' Exhibition ~ A Short Tour Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000 'VOICES' Exhibition ~ Opening Remarks Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000 MAIDSTONE ~ A Short Tour Of Joni's Hometown Maidstone, Saskatchewan ~ July 1, 2000 'THE WAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV (Broadcast 12-24-67) Night In The City The Gift Of The Magi The Circle Game 'THE WAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV (Broadcast 12-31-67) The Dawntrader The Way It Is 'THE WAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV (Broadcast 0?-0?-68) The Way It Is 'INTIMATE & INTERACTIVE' (Broadcast 09-23-94) MuchMusic TV Studios ~ Toronto, Ontario Sex Kills Moon At The Window Magdalene Laundries Hejira Cherokee Louise Night Ride Home The Crazy Cries Of Love The Fishbowl (A Poem) Just Like This Train Facelift John Wilson's 'MINI-MUSICALS' Big Yellow Taxi Both Sides, Now MTV 'INFLUENCES' Got 'Til It's Gone Janet Jackson (Featuring Q-Tip & Joni Mitchell) Also Available: JONI MITCHELL- A DAY IN THE GARDEN 8/15/98- Live concert at "Woodstock" (1 tape) JONIFEST 2002 Gift: 1 tape consisting of: Speak Easy with Jana Lynne White- 2000 David Letterman- 2000 Rosie O'Donnell Show- 2000 Bravo- Arts and Minds- Broadcast 11/9/01 Farm Aid- 1985 (?) Good Morning America- Broadcast 10/2/98 Bravo- Soundtrack of the Century MTV- Influences 9/17/98 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:41:11 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Mark Knopfler That's a great idea, Chrys. Someone should tell Joni-they could probably sell a shitload of them, too. Chrys Jordan wrote: > Been playing Mark's latest solo endeavours along with older Joni Mitchell material and it occurs to me how much similarity there is in their lyrical style. I would love to see them perform together. Bettery yet, do an album together. I think Joni and Mark would bring out the best in each other. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 01:06:45 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Illuminated Christian Sabbath Mags, This was cool! "That singular triumph is her total requirement" Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:10:27 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 8 On June 8 the following items were published: 1996: "The Miracle Workers" - Billboard (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=787 1997: "Joni Mitchell" - Toronto Sun (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=386 1998: "JoniMitchell.com Strikes a Chord" - Washington Post (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=419 2000: "I sing my sorrow and I paint my joy" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=519 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #187 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)