From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #172 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 25 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 172 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Unplugged & Jamming/Melissa Errico [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BSN [Bobsart48@aol.com] kickin joni's ass ["walterphil" ] Re: Eagle Vision To Release JONI MITCHELL Woman Of Heart And MindVideo/DVD 06.03.03 [jussi ] Re: kickin joni's ass - mostly Judy Collins content ["Mark or Travis" ] Today's Library Links: May 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 05:26:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Unplugged & Jamming/Melissa Errico >when did Joni do 'Folklore TV with Pete Seeger'? It sounds '70-ish, she did >Mr. Tambourine Man and Both Sides Now which Seeger did his verse of too. >Also looking for cd 'Joni Mitchell: Unplugged & Jamming Vol. 1', those songs >are from volume 2, so volume 1 has to be out there! Not totally sure on that Folklore date, maybe it's been added to the "Appearances" section of Jm.com. My guess would be '69-70. I've got Unplugged & Jamming Volume 1, would be happy to make you a copy, the tracklist: Edmonton Folk Festival Summer 1994 1. Yvette in English 2. Cherokee Louise 3. Hejira KCRW Studios, Santa Monica 09/12/94 4. Night Ride Home 5. Just Like This Train 6. Moon at the Window 7. Magdalene Laundries 8. Sex Kills 9. The Crazy Cries of Love/Love's Cries 10. Happiness is the Best Facelift Glendale 10/25/94 11. Sunny Sunday Boston 11/21/75 (Rolling Thunder Review) 12. Edith & The Kingpin 13. Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Big Sur 09/69 14. Woodstock 15. Get Together (with Crosby, Stills, Nash, & John Sebastian) Oceanway Studios, New York 1988 16. Furry Sings The Blues 17. Hejira >>Has anyone heard Melissa Errico's new album? She does "Night Ride Home" >>on it. Any good? Yep, and yep. I like it a lot. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 14:51:36 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN Mack wrote > I think judy collins simply kicks joni's ass on 'both sides now.' > > mack I once agreed - BSN & MFM from Wildflowers having been a steppingstone to my eventual discovery of Joni (with a little lhelp form my roommate). And I a gree with David's reply as well, about the tone differences. Really, I believe that the musical arrangement for Judy's emphasizes the positive, optimistic, uplifting side of BSN,while Joni's from Clouds is more reflective and emphasizes the darker, pessimistic side, on balance. I really prefer Joni's title cut from the BSN album to both of those however - - it is a really fine arrangement, and it is easier to sell the song from the perspective of an older person than an ingenue. That said, I have wrestled conceptually with the concept of varying the tone of BSN within a particular arrangement. For an example of what I am thinking about, in STAS, the first half of each verse has a major chord/key tinge to it, and the second half of each verse uses a minor chord type of transposition of the first half. I think something parallel to that would work on BSN, if one had the talent and creativity to execute it tastefully. Maybe someday I will give it a try (but I doubt I could pull it off). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "walterphil" Subject: kickin joni's ass From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: both sides now The difference between the two is one of tone. Judy plays up the sweetness of the melody, while Joni's version very much plays it down. I'm glad to have both versions. > I think judy collins simply kicks joni's ass on 'both sides now.' > >mack i laughed and laughed when i read this and i totally agree with BOTH of you. one thing that upsets me is when people trash judy's (prettier) version and glorify joni's (more honest, but duller) version. joni had nothing against bright happy melodies. (look at chelsea morning). don't you think its possible that joni's version is a reaction against judy's hit version? (after all joni's version was recorded almost a year later.) that's what i think happened. remember judy did put joni on the map at this point. (of course a talent like joni's could have never been hiddin for long- someone else would have dragged her into the limelight. ie, csn&y's woodstock, etc.) but judy had the forsight and commercial clout to do it first. let's not forget they were also good friends. i'm sure initally at least joni appreciated it. we all know what a bean counter she can be. and, after all, judy was the one who first intoduced me to joni. (how i loved those first dozen joan baez and judy collins albums.) (never mind the sad fact that joni turned into a music genius, recording a good dozen or so A++ albums, compared to judy's & joan's downward slide.) (although both still VERY dear to me) oh, i forgot, lastly: i have a couple takes of pre recorded joni versions of both sides now (live on the bbc). both are much lighter and prettier (much closer to the wildflower's version) than her final stodgy clouds version. thanks guys way too funny-- (mark-you got balls-- i can't believe you weren't attacked here, for that opinion!) recently i was called on the carpet, for my take on for the roses. judy & joni lovin walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 01:54:05 +0300 From: jussi Subject: Re: Eagle Vision To Release JONI MITCHELL Woman Of Heart And MindVideo/DVD 06.03.03 don't know if this has been mentioned, but there's a full page ad for the video on the back of billboard, may 24 issue. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:28:06 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: 3 years ago today... Were all these people in the same room? http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=523 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=524 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=521 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=522 http://www.jonimitchell.com/BSNTourReports/MSG2BSNTourReport.html CC "Time goes. Where does the time go?" -- JM NP: "Love" (Travelogue) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:20:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: kickin joni's ass - mostly Judy Collins content > and, after all, judy was the one > who first intoduced me to joni. > (how i loved those first dozen joan baez > and judy collins albums.) > Actually, Judy first introduced me to Joni as well. I had her single of 'Both Sides Now' long before I ever bought a Joni Mitchell album. I bought it mainly because I liked the song, not because I was a Judy Collins fan. I've really only come to fully appreciate Judy in the last year or so. 'In My Life' is my most recent Judy acquisition. It's a beautiful record but it is so dark! 'Tom Thumb's Blues', 'La Colombe' (she'd get raked over the coals for recording that one at this point in time), 'I Think It's Going to Rain Today', 'Liverpool Lullabye', 'Dress Rehearsal Rag' plus a few songs that have a kind of black humor to them like 'Pirate Jenny', 'Marat Sade/Sade' and 'Sunny Goodge Street' all of these on the same record make it difficult for me to listen to it very often. 'Suzanne' and 'In My Life' are about the only moments of comfort. My favorite right now is 'Who Knows Where the Time Goes'. What a lovely, well-balanced record! Her rendition of the title track is so beautiful and I love her interpretations of Leonard Cohen's music. 'Story of Isaac' is one I hadn't heard before. I find the biblical story this one refers to very disturbing. To me it portrays a deity that toys with its creations like a cat plays with a mouse. Maybe the Rev Vince or somebody else can enlighten me on this one. I guess the devil made me say that (along with making me buy this dress). 'My Father' is such a beautiful song. I used to think her writing was less than stellar but I have done a 180 on that one. She has written some fine songs. I also love her versions of 'Someday Soon' and 'First Boy I Loved'. But she really ends this one on the dark side with 'Pretty Polly' which almost seems like a throwback to the tradtional stuff on her first albums. > recently i was called on the carpet, > for my take on for the roses. People stated their own opinions about 'For the Roses' but I don't think anyone called you on the carpet. That certainly wasn't my intention. > > judy & joni lovin me too! Mark E. in Seattle PS: My favorite version of 'Both Sides Now' is the one on the album of the same name. I get a lump in my throat everytime I hear it. The voice, the arrangement, the perspective of having grown into the song, all get me right where I live, everytime. Second would be the Miles of Aisles version where she ends it with 'It's life's illusions I recall, I really don't know....I really don't kno-ow'. Goose bump stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:37:15 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Two gigs I have two gigs coming up: Corry Hanna & Waterwheel (electric band) 3-4:30 PM Saturday May 31 Rec Grove Park, Willits, CA (at the 6th Annual Dance For Freedom, starts at noon, music all day) The Joni content is that we are doing a Bruce-meets-MOA version of BYT solo acoustic (30min set) 12:20 PM Saturday June 7 Redway, CA for the KMUD block party supposedly some or all of this will be broadcast and streamed on the web at http://www.kmud.org/ If anyone is in the area, dew drop by! My website, my CD, free songs etc etc http://www.corryhanna.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 02:08:55 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 25 On May 25 the following items were published: 1998: "Triumph of a Triple Threat" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=148 2000: "One Side Now" - Hartford Courant (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=585 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #172 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)