From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #168 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 21 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 168 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell recordings [colin ] Re: JT bio w/Joni content [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Beth Patterson's TAKE SOME FIRE, a new one! (little bit JC) [FredNow@] joni and club music/ dance music in the world right now ["Wally Kairuz" <] Joni's Songwriting Methods. [Matty Nesbitt ] Re: JT bio w/Joni content ["hell" ] Re: Joni's Songwriting Methods. [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: JT bio w/Joni content [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: JT bio w/Joni content ["Christopher Treacy" ] Do you know the way from San Jose? (Fest content) [lfye@cresapartners.co] Joni on Life Network May 25th [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni's Songwriting Methods. [KJHSF@aol.com] For The Roses - the wind last night, chilly now ["Kate Bennett" ] P2P details ["Raffaele Malanga" ] has anyone heard of Courtney Brocks? ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Today in History: May 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: May 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:48:18 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell recordings colin wrote: > > > i ahve a cd called 'close your eyes' with joni and james. > the listing is as follows: > Songs about the midway > gallery > rainy day man > steam roller > priest > carey > carolina on my mind > california > he played real good for free > circle game > you can close your eyes. > > > I mistakenly(it seems) assumed htis was the cd you are talking about > tho on my cd(it is german) it says it was recorded live in the usa but > gives no other info. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 04:02:41 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JT bio w/Joni content anne@sandstrom.com writes: > I'm just reading the James Taylor bio, Fire and Rain. > It has a chapter about Joni. (pardon me if I missed any > previous thread about this...) > > My overall impression of the book isn't great. The > author quotes people who are part of the JT online > community. That's like quoting me in a book about Joni. > The writing's choppy and sometimes repetitious. > > The chapter about Joni says she was into some heavy > drugs at the time of her relationship with James, the > implication being heroine. I'm not sure I buy this. It > also says "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" was written > abuot JT. I've never thought that was true. There are > some other things that doen't jibe. Plus his timeline > is kind of warped. > > Has anyone else read this? What do you think? I had dropped a hint about wanting "the new James Taylor bio" for Christmas, thinking there was only one, Long Ago and Far Away by the late Timothy White. Unfortunately I learned the hard way that there was another, Fire and Rain, which, frankly, is horrible. Somehow, reading about James' masturbatory habits while away at boarding school is more information than I need, and not the right kind to boot. Needless to say, I didn't even finish reading it. Long Ago and Far Away, however, is wonderful. All best, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 04:24:13 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Beth Patterson's TAKE SOME FIRE, a new one! (little bit JC) jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > Remember the chick on bouzouki in Paz'es band at PazFest? She's on the PazFest 2 CD set (available at www.cdbaby.com) > > Her love of poly-rhythms is intact on her new album, "TAKE SOME FIRE". She's using a new band, "Kalafka" on this one. Her trademark attention to harmony is evident, as ever and the band widens her already wonderful palette of colors. > > My favorite new color is Clyde Thompson's fiddle. In places it pulls her towards gypsy and in others towards mountian music. A military snare is a new color for Beth's music, which adds even more variety to the generous 15 track CD. There > are too many influences to count, which is just how I like it. Then you will likely love guitarist Bill Frisell's latest, Intercontinentals. Bill Frisell - electric and acoustic guitars, loops, bass Sidiki Camara - calabash, djembe, congas, percussion, vocals Vinicius Cantuaria - electric and acoustic guitars, vocals, drums, percussion Christos Govetas - oud, vocals, bouzouki Greg Leisz - slide guitars, pedal steel guitar (there's yer Joni content) Jenny Scheinman - violin The players are from USA, Brazil, Mali, and Greece/Macedonia, the music is from those places and others. I believe this meets your requirement of too many influences to count. Enjoy. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:50:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: joni and club music/ dance music in the world right now listening to C&S, DJRD and HOSL, i have recently noticed something that had escaped my attention before: joni must have gone dancing quite a lot to clubs and places like that at some point in her life. that must have been a period in which she was living the scene! and i was wondering whether she deliberately ever wrote music that could be danced to. did she ever try to break into the club scene? did any of you ever hear *help me* or any of her *danceable* tunes at a disco? my dj friend is working at a gay club, and i have slowly introduced a few joni things in his listings. for example, when the slow numbers come up now he plays *at last* and *blue motel room*!!! isn't that NEAT!!! he is also using one of the BYT remixes from the friends cd and, weird as though it may sound, *fiction*. i am a true joni guerrilla. in more general terms, he has been trying to update his music library to make his parties more fun and *contemporary*. we've been looking at the charts but everything is soooo boring and cheerless. so here's a question for people all over the world that either go dancing or like dancing music: what's hot nowadays wherever you are? what are dj's playing? what tracks are still *classic*? wally, who never appreciated club music but who's beginning to see that there might be a point in going dancing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:40:24 +0100 From: Matty Nesbitt Subject: Joni's Songwriting Methods. Hi Everybody. Thanks for your welcome and support. I took it for granted that Joni would write her music first and then fit a melody and lyrics, given the esoteric nature of some of her melody lines. Not that the melodies sound contrived in any way! In a song like "Car on a Hill", The melody is so simple (and effective!) that the Choral break between verses seems to come from another planet. Its that kind of moment that really intrigues me about her songwriting, having that kind of imagination is a gift. For the record, thats my favourite Joni song, for the moment anyway! Again, thanks for your help, and I'll try to get involved with other topics too if i can contribute. Matty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:56:19 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: JT bio w/Joni content Anne wrote: > The chapter about Joni says she was into some heavy > drugs at the time of her relationship with James, the > implication being heroine. I'm not sure I buy this. It > also says "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" was written > abuot JT. I've never thought that was true. There are > some other things that doen't jibe. Plus his timeline > is kind of warped. > > Has anyone else read this? What do you think? And again > sorry if this is a thread I missed... I read this a while ago, and had the same impression as you did - that he was making some awfully big assumptions, and had quite a few of the facts wrong, particularly about Joni. And I agree, his timeline was screwed up. I can't state any specific examples (since I don't have the book with me right now - it's about 8300 miles away!) but I remember feeling very disappointed. After reading what I knew (or think I knew!) to be incorrect statements about Joni, and her relationship with James, it was hard to take anything else the guy said seriously. And a little more thorough verification of his facts wouldn't have been too hard - a browse through the articles on the JMDL would have cleared up a lot of things, for a start! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:06:13 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Songwriting Methods. she is inspired by a mysterious force.......it is of special value to artists and mystics........there is no method In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:21:03 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: JT bio w/Joni content anne@sandstrom.com writes: > It > > also says "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" was written > > abuot JT. I've never thought that was true. > did anyone else ever hear the story that "you turn me on, i'm a radio" was supposed to have been written (at least in part) as a sort of reply to mr. taylor's "hey baby that's me up on the juke box"? i think that is kind of interesting, although i have no recollection of where i read it now. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:00:40 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: JT bio w/Joni content We all know this shi-ot isn't true. You Turn Me On was written as away of humoring Geffen, a minor tribute to B. Mitchell Reed, and overall, as a bit of a joke about blatant commercialism. Being a person in recovery, I have to chime in about the drug thing. There are very few people out there who experiment with smack and don't develop a debilitating problem. Snortable Heroin was not readily available back then, and I think her comment about 'trying everything except mainlining heroin' says all it needs to - no further speculation necessary. As far as cocaine goes, Joni has been pretty up front about the mid 70's (and I think probably the 'Wild Things' era as well), and how unhealthy she was after Rolling Thunder. She didn't even want to appear in 'Renaldo & Clara' because she thought she looked awful (and maybe was also suffering from a bit of drug induced paranoia). So, the part of Hejira that was being written while on tour with Dylan & Co. may have indeed involved some cocaine use, but my understanding of the resulting drive across the country was that this was time she used to cleanse herself of all that. Joni told Musician Magazine, in their cover piece about Artists and Drug-Related inspiration, that using cocaine started as a real creativity boosting activity, but soon deteriorated and turned on you resulting in a void. This rings true to me. My impression of the lame JT book is that it's his community's unfortunate answer to our Hinton book; tons of misinformation and specualtion - a giant megaphone attached to the authors' respective assholes spraying nasty, stinky, messy poopjuice all over all of us (after all, all my posts have to boil down to something scatalogical, don't they??). Nasty, dirty, stinky..... - -Chris NP: Sandy Denny - One Way Donkey Ride - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:21 AM Subject: Re: JT bio w/Joni content > anne@sandstrom.com writes: > > > > It > > > also says "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" was written > > > abuot JT. I've never thought that was true. > > > did anyone else ever hear the story that "you turn me on, i'm a radio" was > supposed to have been written (at least in part) as a sort of reply to mr. > taylor's "hey baby that's me up on the juke box"? i think that is kind of > interesting, although i have no recollection of where i read it now. > > peace, > > ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:30:52 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Do you know the way from San Jose? (Fest content) http://www.southwest.com/jp/hotfares2.shtml?src=et052003 *21-day advance purchase required. *Purchase through May 22, 2003, midnight Pacific Time. *Travel June 10 through October 24, 2003, except July 3 and 6, 2003. Albany, NY $99 one-way, to/from Kansas City, MO $99 one-way, to/from Los Angeles, CA $99 one-way, to/from Louisville, KY $99 one-way, to/from New Orleans, LA $99 one-way, to/from Oakland, CA $99 one-way, to/from Orlando, FL $99 one-way, to/from Reno/Tahoe, NV $99 one-way, to/from San Antonio, TX $99 one-way, to/from San Jose, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:09:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni on Life Network May 25th Don't know if this is a rerun or not, since I think this can only be seen in Canada. "Hounds- What is the Price of Fame" will be broadcast this Sunday 9:00 ET/PT. It's a program about autograph seekers, and the article says viewers will hear from Joni and other famous people with their thoughts on autograph hounds. for full article see: http://www.newswire.ca/releases/May2003/20/c3083.html Hopefully some of the Canadian jmdlers will let us know what she says. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:13:22 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Songwriting Methods. In a message dated 5/20/2003 7:43:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mattygn@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > the Choral break between verses seems to come from another planet. Its > that kind of moment that really intrigues me about her songwriting, having > that kind of imagination is a gift. For the record, thats my favourite Joni > > song, for the moment anyway! > > Court and Spark was my first Joni, and I remember being stopped in my tracks when the choral section of Car On a Hill came through the speakers! But then, while listening to Down to You, I had the same reaction when she pops that brief multi layered choir into the mix on 'love is gone--ooh, love is gone.' I would replay that over and over to hear that big choir of Jonies. As with so much of her work, the more you listen, the more you hear. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:15:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: For The Roses - the wind last night, chilly now mark, i really enjoyed this post about for the roses as this was one of my favorite pieces on t'log because of the visual effects & the wintry mood so different from her earlier version which to me was more summery...i hadn't thought about the arrangement the way you described it so thanks for this inspired writing! it explains why i felt so transported to that place & time by this arrangement... >Then it finally dawned on me. The orchestra is the wind. Wayne is the arbutus leaves. Some of you at this point may be thinking 'well, duh!' But this was like a revelation to me and put this version into a whole new perspective.< www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:15:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: for the roses >i always thought it was an open letter to james taylor. after all she does say "you" a lot and i think if she was referring to herself, she would probably have said "i"< songwriters do that a lot, using you when they mean i...sometimes switching between the two in the same song...even someone as great as joni seems to do this & perhaps this is because the song (as songs often are) is about more than one thing, in other words this is likely about james but is also about her experience... also listen to people being interviewed (i.e, 'the actors studio')& how often they switch to you in the middle of what they are saying when they are talking about their own experience... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:47:57 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: P2P details .Hi, could anyone please forward me the details of the P2P thing that Les put together to share Joni's audio files? I meant to join the group but realised that I lost the original post with the info. Thanks. Raf (London, rainy and cold as November...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fed up with 56K? Sign up for a FREE BT Broadband connection! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:38 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: has anyone heard of Courtney Brocks? I bumped into a download of "Joni Mitchell's Blues" by Courtney Brocks. Not a cover, by something that perhaps Bob Muller might like. I have the mp3 file (5MB!!) if anyone's interested.Perhaps we should create a new section on the database: Joni in song titles.Raf - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sign up to MSN 8 and get a FREE case of Virgin Wines! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:04:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: for the roses and pondering success >as far as Joni's success is concerned...I pose this question to the list. How do you see that? Is she successful? Why? Is it because of number of sales that you deem someone successful?< i think she is one of the most highly revered songwriters by other major songwriters...that to me is the ultimate success...also, i forget who mentioned the success of james compared to joni at the time of for the roses but having been around during the time of joni's rising star i can say that after blue, she was one of the most well known, admired, & famous of all musicians she may or may not have seen some money form her sales or royalties (others having hits with her songs) by that time, it has often taken years for musicians to recoup what they make from their record company... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:06:12 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: has anyone heard of Courtney Brocks? In a message dated 5/20/2003 5:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, r_malanga@hotmail.com writes: > I bumped into a download of "Joni Mitchell's Blues" by Courtney Brocks. > Not a cover, by something that perhaps Bob Muller might like. I have the > mp3 file (5MB!!) if anyone's interested.Perhaps we should create a new > section on the database: Joni in song titles.Raf > Rafael, there's a section at JoniMitchell.com which Simon has created songs about Joni, or songs that mention Joni (or one of her songs). You can check it out at: http://jonimitchell.com/Lists/SongsMentionJoni/MentionJMYear.htm I didn't see Courtney's "Joni Mitchell's Blues," so when you go to that section, it has Simon's email addy and you can have him add it. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:41:07 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Thursday Night at Jonifest and other Jonifest stuff As in the past, Thursday night at Jonifest is an optional evening for those that want an extra night to settle in to Full Moon, and have a chance to get to know people and play music in a little bit more intimate setting. It's an informal evening, and one that many people enjoy. If you are interested in joining us for Thursday night, please fill out the appropriate information on your online registration form, including if you are coming, what kind of room you request, and whether you want Friday meals (breakfast and lunch) which is extra. Also, for those of you that are there for the weekend, please indicate on the form whether you want Monday lunch, which is also extra. Since there are only a few weeks before all payments in full are due, these costs should be included with your check or paypal payment. Please include a note as to what it includes. Here is the info from the registration form for Thursday night: Single occupancy with private bath $113.50 Double occupancy with private bath $ 67.75 Single occupancy with shared bath $ 95.00 Double/Triple occupancy with shared bath $ 58.75 Cottage: Occupancy of four or more $ 58.75 Camping $ 34.50 Thursday's evening meal is included in the above costs. Choose which of the following additional meals you'd like to sign up for as well: Friday Breakfast ($12.00): Friday Lunch ($8.50): Monday Lunch ($8.50): Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:48:13 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest P.S. I forgot to mention.... as of May 19th, I have only received 9 deposits of the 25 I need to meet the contractual obligations for this year's Jonifest. As I've said, the full payments are due in just a few weeks, and Jonifest is less than 2 1/2 months away. Although I am not ready to committ to this 100% yet, I am almost *positive* there will not be another Jonifest that I am involved in. Although I may be wrong, I can't imagine anyone else on this list taking on the financial responsibility of Jonifest (around $15,000) or the legal responsibility of something of this nature. So.....if you are on the fence, or are thinking "next year, next year is when I'll go," you may be very disappointed. This is decidedly looking like the last year for the Northeast Jonifest. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:31:39 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Joni to appear in Canadian TV film, apparently Bring out the Autograph Hounds Life Network presents Hounds: What is the price of fame? on Sunday, May 25 at 9 p.m. ET/PT - Unpublished A-List Celebrity Photographs are available to press - Programming Notice TORONTO, May 20 /CNW/ - How much are you willing to pay for a celebrity signature? Explore the underground world of "celebrity" autograph collecting in the broadcast premiere of Hounds: What is the price of fame? on Sunday, May 25 at 9 p.m. ET/PT. First-time filmmaker Richard Budman follows the hounding activities of professional autograph collectors. Budman captures the "autograph Hounds" on countless autograph stakeouts in Toronto, as they pursue everyone from Michael Jordan and Al Pacino to Mira Sorvino and Joni Mitchell. Meet autograph hound Brad Byrne who has been collecting autographs for more than a decade. Byrne also shares his insider trade secrets, including disguising a seven-year-old boy as a Paul McCartney fan, and using him to hound the singer as he disembarks from his private jet. Viewers will also hear from Joni Mitchell, singer Meatloaf, Celine Dion, Jennifer Love Hewitt and other famous personalities as they express their views on this suddenly controversial subject. The documentary captures the autograph hounds in the larger context of a culture fascinated with celebrities. - -30- For further information: Heidi Rayden, Publicist, Dick Richie Productions, (416) 887-1292, Headvah@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:25:49 +0800 From: "Erin Mc" Subject: Is this from one of you? I was delighted today to find a review on amazon.com that matched my sentiments EXACTLY: "While listening to selections from Hejira recently in the acoustically wonderful environment of audiophile headphones, it occurred to me: Nobody will ever do anything this good, ever." Let me add my refrain: EVER. clearly an obsessed woman, Erin - -- Get your free email from http://www.marchmail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:06:58 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: May 21 1998: Joni, Bob Dylan, and Van Morrison perform the first of two nights in Los Angeles, California at The Pauley Pavillion. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/980521.cfm http://www.jonimitchell.com/OnTheRoadLAA98.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:06:58 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 21 On May 21 the following items were published: 1998: "Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Joni Mitchell" - CitySearch website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=69 1998: "Dylan & Company Full of Surprises" - Reuters/Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=250 1998: "Dylan's Time to Shine" - San Francisco Chronicle (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=328 1998: "Picking the guitarists who really know how to pick" - San Diego Union-Tribune (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=323 1998: "Robert Holliston's Response" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=292 1998: "Still Rockin' Steady" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=146 1999: "New Joni Mitchell Set A Standard Affair" - Billboard (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=438 2000: "Chastain Park Amphitheater" - Ink19 (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=702 2002: "A Tuesday in Amsterdam" - CountingCrows.com (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=853 2002: "Chelsea Clinton Visits Namesake" - AP Online (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=973 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #168 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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