From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #165 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 18 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 165 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: PermaVine discs ["John E McGloin" ] eddie reader & joni ["ron" ] Today in Joni history. [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Yet another Joni mention... [AzeemAK@aol.com] Joni & Margaret Atwood ["James Leahy" ] Joni-James Perma-Vine burnerless recipients [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Perma-Vine ORIGINAL DISC looking for a generous soul (Joni/James in London) [est86mlm@ameritech] Re: joni/james cd [Aerchak@aol.com] re: Margaret Atwood and Joni ["mia ortlieb" ] Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell recordings [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: eddie reader & joni [KJHSF@aol.com] For The Roses - the wind last night, chilly now ["Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: PermaVine discs Hi It's OK. The timetaken to receive emails and the time zone differences contributed to the confusion. I emailed Casy offline and we've agreed that I continue my post to Kenny. The cd wasposted yesterday. SO - if anyone wants the permavine disc, contact Casey. Cheers John - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: Re: PermaVine discs > Re.: John & Casey who were sending me PermaVine discs: > I originally requested Casey to send me a disc because I thought it was > one of the copies; I thought I couldn't make a copy for myself if I got an > original made from a computer burner (I have a Phillips CD burner/not through > a computer) 'cause I wasn't sure my Phillips would read the computer made CD > (I have to use blanks in my burner that do not work in a computer CD burner > and blanks for computer burners do not work in my Phillips-it reads "no disc > recognized".) Then, I thought I might be able to copy the PermaVine original > since it's already "finalized" so I requested the one from John. > Now, Casey isn't sending me his 'cause he thinks John is sending me one > and John isn't sending me his 'cause he thinks Casey is sending me one. I'm > sorry if I caused confusion, folks... but at this point, I don't have one > coming so if anyone still has one up for grabs, I'd appreciate a shot at it. > Thanks. > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:48:57 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: eddie reader & joni hi came across the following on another list: More than just a fairground attraction Eddi Reader Will Hodgkinson Friday May 16, 2003 The Guardian Robert Burns has been a mainstay of the Scottish heritage industry for the best part of two centuries, which doesn't mean that all Scottish people are intimately acquainted with his life and work. "Burns is like Shakespeare in Scotland," says Eddi Reader, who has recorded an album of the songs of Robert Burns with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra. "You do him in school, and it's usually folk with kilts that sing his songs in high, classical voices or drink to him in gentlemen's clubs. He's our national bard and he's feted in a canny historian way, and you don't really learn about his life and who he was. But when I first sang My Love Is Like a Red, Red Rose, I felt that this guy was as vital as Bob Dylan or Tom Waits." Reader found out about Burns when her family moved from a two-bedroom flat in a housing project in the centre of Glasgow to Irvine, a seaside town on the Ayrshire coast, when she was 14. "We're not highbrow. My parents know a lot about Elvis but nothing about Burns, and they would never listen to traditional folk. There were nine of us in a tiny flat in a Glasgow scheme, so my mother bugged the council and eventually we were given a house in Irvine, which is where Burns lived for a while, along with Edgar Allan Poe. So people would sing his songs in the pubs, and that's where I discovered this other side to him." In 1782 Irvine was bigger than Glasgow: a smugglers' paradise, it was the hub of Scottish coastal activity, both legal and illegal. Burns moved to Irvine to make linen and was encouraged by sea captains he met to write about the life around him, from last night's dalliance down the alehouse to the hypocrites running the church. Reader admires him as a tearaway who could write such famous standards as Auld Lang Syne and Charlie Is My Darling without ever considering himself anything special. "People didn't want their daughters anywhere near him because he was a scallywag, and he was always getting in trouble with the people in the chapel," she says. "Mostly for fornication. He fell in love all the time. There were four sisters in Irvine whose parents would put them in the back of the house when Burns was walking past because they didn't want them falling for him, which women did all the time. He wrote dedications to lassies, got girls pregnant, and was a commoner - a Jakey - with a romantic soul who could translate his life into song." In 2002, Tom Waits released two albums simultaneously, Alice and Blood Money, and Reader sees him as following the storytelling tradition that Burns was a part of. "I get a sense that he avoids any complications in the music industry and concentrates on the process of writing," she says. "He can't fail to get in the depths of your soul and he's a passionate man." One of Reader's favourite records is A Little Touch of Schmilsson in the Night, 70s singer-songwriter Harry Nilsson's collection of standards. "He did what I did with the Burns album: got an orchestra and recorded it live in four days, singing his favourite songs like As Time Goes By and Makin' Whoopee. It was a totally uncool thing to do at that time, which I like, and he sings the songs immaculately. He's up there with Frank Sinatra." Sinatra made an album with the Brazilian bossa nova pioneer Antonio Carlos Jobim that travels with Reader everywhere she goes. "One of the songs, Quiet Nights, is Sinatra's best moment because he was totally broken-hearted about Ava Gardner, and every pain can be heard on it. There's nothing more romantic." Rufus Wainwright, son of the songwriter Loudon Wainwright III, has a more romantic sensibility than his wry, sarcastic dad. He spent much of his teenage years in his bedroom listening to Judy Garland records, prompting his parents to send him off to a private school, Millbrook, to sort him out. Rufus wrote a song about his experiences there, and Reader gives us an impromptu version of it. "The song describes these people, with their new hats and their privileged lives, and it paints a picture," she says, after she has finished singing Millbrook in its entirety. "It's a lovely portrait of a world and it makes a change from songs about picking up chicks - although they can be good, too, as long as the singer means it." The Hissing of Summer Lawns by Joni Mitchell is the first album that Reader bought. "It's my coming-of-age record, and I got to it via the second-hand shop when I was 17," she says. "It was Joni Mitchell that made me realise I didn't want to just sing John Denver songs, but lyrics that meant something. She's the consummate artist. I wonder what she had to give up to pursue her goal - one song of hers, Green, is about putting her child up for adoption. But she is streets ahead of everyone else." For Reader, that kind of sacrifice would clearly be too much. Having started off as a folk singer in Glasgow pubs, she had a huge hit with her old band Fairground Attraction. When the dust settled, she returned to what she did before. Now she looks after her children, releases solo albums - the Burns project is her eighth in 13 years - and stays sane. "When you have success, a whole load of machinery comes into play and there is a loss of freedom," she says. "But art is about moving through life and picking up inspiration from God knows where, not replicating hits. I'm happy doing what I'm doing now. It was either this or the local Asda, after all." has anyone heard the new album?? any comments?? ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:02:40 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Today in Joni history. http://www.jonimitchell.com/BSNTourReports/WPBBSNTourReport.html 5/17/00 Joni performs at the Mars Music Amphitheater in West Palm Beach, Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:12:46 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Yet another Joni mention... I don't know if anyone out there has seen Word magazine. It's now on its third issue, and I'm hooked. It's a superb mix of writing about (mostly) music, DVD and books. There was an uproarious feature about Lucinda Williams in the last one, and the current one has pieces about Morrissey, Chrissie Hynde, Bruce Springsteen, Alex Garland and Benny Hill (yes, really!). One of its little features is a selection of people talking about their favourite music, films, reading material, gadgets etc. One of the people this time is a subscriber who on the subject of fave recent CDs says the following: "Joni Mitchell's Travelogue was a real revelation too." Never let it be said that I let my own opinions prevent me from passing this little tidbit on ;-) Actually, Joni is mentioned again in the current issue, in the course of a fine article about James Taylor. No new revelations about Joni, but I don't suppose that was likely... Azeem in London NP: Tamara Williamson - The Arms Of Ed - her most recent album, which I don't think is widely available (I got it from Maple Music); wonderful, thought-provoking songs as always ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:15:49 -0400 From: "James Leahy" Subject: Joni & Margaret Atwood There's another connection between Joni and Peggy: Atwood's first collection of poetry, which came out in 1966, was entitled "The Circle Game." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:32:02 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni-James Perma-Vine burnerless recipients Burned copies of Joni/James in London have been sent to: Jenny Mac Jennymac48@aol.com California USA Tim Spong tim_spong@hotmail.com Deleware USA They have agreed to ENJOY the music immensely! Thanks to John Epstein for the vine. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:41:43 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Perma-Vine ORIGINAL DISC looking for a generous soul (Joni/James in London) The ORIGINAL Perma-vine Disc of Joni & James in London wants to visit another JMDLr willing to make copies for at least ONE other person without a CD burner. If you have a CD burner and willing to do this..........please email me your information so I can get this out to you. ******* PLEASE, Keep the vine alive!******** Here's the program: PERMA-VINE RULES: 1) When you receive your Perma-Vine disc you must MAKE COPIES FOR YOURSELF and re-post an offer on JMDL. You will forward the ORIGINAL DISC onto the next recipient (you may NOT keep the original Perma-Vine disc). This method ensures that all participants can get a clean, glitch-free copy of this show directly off the original disc. 2) You must re-post your offer of this vine only to JMDL. Once you have selected the next recipient, you must post their name, e-mail and state/country to the JMDL list. If, after TWO postings within a 48-hour period, there is no response, you may then, and only then, post the Perma-Vine offer to another group, but you MUST post an announcement to JMDL indicating which group you have transferred this Perma-Vine to. 3) By requesting these Perma-Vine discs, you have agreed to make this show available to those who are unable to burn copies for themselves (and, thus, cannot participate directly in this Perma-Vine). You agree to post an offer(s) on JMDL for at least one burnerless individual as soon as you have forwarded the original Perma-Vine disc onto the next recipient. You must post the name, e-mail and state/country of the burnerless recipient to the JMDL list. Additionally, you may B+P or trade this to as many as you like AFTER you have forwarded the Perma-Vine discs onto the next recipient. You are not required to post subsequent trades or B+P's to the list 4) You further agree to keep the Perma-Vine disc in your possession no longer than 72 hours before re-offering. 5) Lastly, you agree to ENJOY this music immensely! Here is the track information: 1) That Song About the Midway Joni 2) The Gallery Joni 3) Rainy Day Man James 4) Steamroller Blues James 5) The Priest Joni 6) Carey Joni 7) Carolina in My Mind James 8) California Joni + James 9) For Free Joni + James 10) The Circle Game Joni + James 11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James 12) Hunter Joni 13) River Joni 14) My Old Man Joni 15) A Case of You Joni 16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni Thanks! Laura Illinois/USA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:36:31 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: joni/james cd Terry, No, I can't help you because I don't have a burner. But if you read the digest, which I presume you do, then just write off line to the next person that says they have a copy to share. That's how it works. they have to burn a copy for themselves and one for a JMDLer that doesn't have a burner. So good luck. Andrea PS Would someone help this person out with the joni/james cd ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:14:38 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Margaret Atwood and Joni Mags wrote: "when Joni received her star of fame in Toronto in front of the Royal Alex theatre, Margaret Atwood was there the same day to receive hers. So you see...there IS a Joni connection everywhere you look." Here is another Joni connection: Margaret Atwood wrote a short story called "Man From Mars." - 1977 I think. Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:34:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell recordings Thanks to Harry Christian, the first recordings from the March 22 "Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell" concert in New York have surfaced! Harry taped about 3 hours of it off the radio, and the sound is very good. I took his tapes, and made two different collections; the first is just a straight transfer of the tapes to (3) cd's, including all the emcee and artist comments, band introductions etc, it's approximately 3 hours long and the cd's are tracked at the beginning of each song, so you can fast forward to the performances if you prefer and if you want to hear the comments you can. I then took those cd's and made a (2) cd collection of JUST the music, with no or very little dialogue, and this makes a nice 2-hour sampler of the music. Here's what's on the 2 cd's: Disc One: 1. Lucy Kaplansky - Carey 2. Lucy Kaplansky - Willy 3. Lorinda Lisitza - Cherokee Louise 4. Lorinda Lisitza - Song For Sharon 5. Lorinda Lisitza - Ray's Dad's Cadillac 6. Stretto - Little Green 7. Helga Davis - The Beat Of Black Wing (edit) 8. Sylvia McNair - Chelsea Morning 9. Syvia McNair - California 10. Laurie Anderson - Both Sides Now 11. Jason Moran - The Priest 12. Jason Moran w/Alicia Hall - Woodstock 13. Garland Jeffreys - People's Parties (edit) 14. Garland Jeffreys - You Turn Me On I'm A Radio Disc Two: 1. Jane Ira Bloom - Woman Of Heart And Mind 2. Morley - This Flight Tonight 3. Morley - River 4. Morley - Chinese Cafi 5. Lauren Flanigan - Song To A Seagull/Hejira (edit) 6. Gregory Douglas & Jeremy Mendocino - Free Man In Paris 7. Carole Pope - Down To You 8. Carole Pope - Raised On Robbery 9. The Four Bags w/David Garland - Songs To Aging Children Come 10. The Four Bags w/David Garland - Turbulent Indigo 11. The Four Bags - Wild Things Run Fast 12. The Four Bags - Help Me 13. Fred Hersch - My Old Man (edit) Obviously, all this is included as well in the three-cd collection. (edit) means that this is just a portion of the performance. If you want to revisit my review and opinions of these performances: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1077 If you'd like to get cdr copies, I'm happy to make them for you. Here's what to do: a. Send me blank cd's (any kind are fine) and postage to return them to you. I can re-use the envelope you send them in, but if you want to include a self-addressed stamped envelope, that's cool. b. Send me $2 per cd ($4 for the 2-cd set, $6 for the 3-cd set), which will cover the cost of the cd (in a thin jewel case), a padded mailer, and postage to you. I do have a paypal account if that's helpful to you, use my "SCJoniguy@aol.com" address. In either case, please include a note saying "Wall to Wall" so I know what you want. If you don't want either of these collections, do nothing. These instructions are for US only. If you're outside the border, I'm still happy to share - it just gets a bit trickier to do. So just drop me a line & we can work it out. My address: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 And don't thank me...thank Harry. I am but a vessel through which his goodness & generosity has passed. Bob NP: Groove Armada, "Sun Toucher" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:48:02 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: eddie reader & joni In a message dated 5/17/2003 3:48:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > has anyone heard the new album?? any comments?? > > > I haven't heard her new record, but her first solo CD, Mirmama is a true gem. Every single song on the collection is amazing. I also really enjoyed Candyfloss and Medicine which came out around 1997 or so. Eddi has an incredible voice and I would heartily recommend Mirmama to anyone who can find it. Breathtaking from start to finish. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:15:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: For The Roses - the wind last night, chilly now I had the distinct pleasure of hearing some of the songs from Travelogue in early incarnations at the Concord Pavilion in 2000 when Joni, Vince and the orchestra performed them on the BSN tour. It was fascinating and exciting to hear these fresh takes on old favorites. They did 'For the Roses' that night and the thing that I remember most about it was a dissonant, world-weary sound to both the orchestral arrangement and Joni's vocal. I don't remember it sounding quite like the version that appears on Travelogue which for some time had me puzzled as to what the intent of that arrangement is. I couldn't figure out what the tense flourishes of strings that punctuate this song like the score of some horror movie or Tennessee Williams adaptation were all about. Then there's Wayne's agitated bursts sprinkled here and there and that tension-filled flourish at the very end. I wondered if Joni had come to view the music business and her participation in it as a horror movie or some Gothic drama. I know she's very down on that whole scene right now but this seemed more like 'Sunset Boulevard' than 'For the Roses'. Then it finally dawned on me. The orchestra is the wind. Wayne is the arbutus leaves. Some of you at this point may be thinking 'well, duh!' But this was like a revelation to me and put this version into a whole new perspective. I've spent fall nights on the Washington coast. I assume, although I don't know, that the BC coast has similar weather. It can be capricious out there with the ocean so near by. On stormy nights the wind gusts. Usually there is rain but not constant rain. The wind drives the clouds creating intervals of clear sky from time to time only to be followed by more clouds and more rain. Arbutus leaves are very stiff and waxy. They make a lot of noise when the wind stirs them, particularly when they're wet. I can imagine Joni in her place up in BC, looking out the window on a blustery Autumn night after hearing the rustling of the trees. The night is damp and chilly. Her thoughts turn to her work as a performer. Although the stage seems very distant and removed to her, being tucked away up in her wilderness sanctuary, those thoughts are persistent and disquieting and accompanied by very mixed emotions. She's tired of the whole game. But part of her still loves it too. Reflection makes her long for a simpler time when she wasn't pressed to crank out product and she wasn't performing in hockey arenas and convention halls. But she knows she can't go back to that time and she wonders how much more of the 'cesspool' she can stand. Then there's the fickleness of the press and the public, some of whom never miss a chance to cast a harpoon at her or hash over her romantic relationships with other famous performers. There is a break in the clouds. The moon is full and it suddenly sends its illumination out over the dark water in a way that reminds her of a spot light. But it's an empty spot light. She's seeing the stage and the spot light but she isn't there. A vision of the music scene without her in it and her life without the music scene dances through her head accompanied by images of paint brushes, palettes and canvases. There is a sudden gust of very strong, cold wind. The arbutus start up again and reach a crescendo in their mad clattering and suddenly the clouds close over the moon. Darkness descends on the water as the sound of the rustling trees abruptly stops. The guitar work on the original 'For the Roses' is a thing of beauty that I wouldn't change one note of for all the world. It works really well when the lyric turns to pictures of a poet selling his songs to a record company exec or when Joni is waxing nostalgic about the days when she could sit in relative peace, even in a performance setting, and compose, play and sing with nothing but her guitar as accompaniment. But for me it doesn't evoke the lyric's ambiguity about the music business or illustrate the disquiet of Joni's thinking on the subject the way this new version does. Of course, when she wrote 'For the Roses' she was quite a few years from the level of frustration and weariness that she is at now. A lot of waves have washed up on that bit of BC coast and the moon has waxed and waned many times since then and both the arrangement and the vocal on Travelogue are reflective of that. The focus has shifted away from pouring her simple sorrow to the sound hole and her knee to thoughts of hammers, boards and nails and people who have slices of her from the company. The wind is chilly now. Her relationship with the music business has cooled considerably as well. Summer's over. But the optimist in me is still in deep denial that the relationship is over as well. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:54:27 EDT From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell recordings Bob! Hey, buddy! I'm so glad you got the Wall-to Wall tapes! My Grandpa passed away the day after I sent them, and I went down to south Georgia for the funeral and it was just such an intense week that I completely forgot about mailing them. I'm just sorry I couldn't tape the whole thing for you. (And I HATE that I didn't get all of the "Beat of Black Wings"!) I'm surprised no one else recorded it. But Bob, no thanks are needed. YOU are the kind and generous soul. You often are the first to respond to new listers and you welcome them so warmly. And the Covers Project is an incredible and wonderful asset to the jmdl. Thank YOU, Bob. Enjoy the rest of the weekend. All the best, Harry P.S. Has anyone ever showed up for the last day of Jonifest? I can only come on the last day, but I want to attend the whole thing so much. *sigh* maybe next year... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 02:16:32 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 18 On May 18 the following items were published: 1998: "A big night with Van, Joni and Bob" - San Francisco Examiner (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=329 1998: "Bob Dylan Sparkles in Triple-Treat Performance at The Gorge" - Seattle Post-Intelligencer (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=357 1998: "Dylan: still great, but at ease with it" - Seattle Times (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=368 1998: "The Power of Music" - San Jose Mercury News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=333 1999: "ASCAP Honors Pop, Rock, Country, R&B Artists" - AllStar Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=441 2000: "Mitchell's turn to love tunes abandons folk fans" - Palm Beach Post (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=655 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #165 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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