From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 21 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 138 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JM Books [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni [Bobsart48@aol.com] Blue TV performance [SoulQuest7@aol.com] Re: Joni ->Joel -> David ? 100% JC [Dan Olson ] Re: Joni ->Joel -> David ? 100% JC [Randy Remote ] Happy Easter + PazFest News [Michael Paz ] Joni Parody ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni book ["Marianne Rizzo" ] swishing chippendales SJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: swishing chippendales SJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Lucy Kaplansky, with JC ["Lori Fye" ] TV Show "On Tour: Joni Mitchell" [dsk ] Re: Blue TV performance ["Christopher Treacy" ] NYC TV Show "On Tour: Joni Mitchell" [SoulQuest7@aol.com] Re: swishing chippendales [dsk ] Today in History: April 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: April 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: swishing chippendales SJC ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:39:51 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Books Victor wrote: > I've had a really good run of luck lately with yardsales...speakers, bike, > candelabra, coffee table...and quite unexpectedly this morning, I came > across a book about Joni Mitchell in near mint condition from 1976. It's > called "Joni Mitchell - Her life, Her loves, Her music" by Leonore > Fleischer, published by Flashbooks. Picked it up for $2.00. The cover on > the front is a beautiful photo of Joni I've never seen before. There's > even a little red rose on the top corner. Mostly what I like about it is > the photos through out the book- a really nice collection. > > Also picked up a nice framed photo with Joni performing, her image > superimposed over another shot of the whole band. > > Finally, a man who admits he buys them for the pictures ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:25:57 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni Following up on Lama's post: I have listened to CSN (the CD) a few times since Christmas, after not having listened in almost 30 years (I had the album, and played it to death for a couple of years after it came out in 1969). During that time, Guinnevere was not one of my favorites on the record, to say the least (but remeber, I quit on Joni's new work for a long, long time when I could not "get" THOSL or Hejira - 'ugh' for the umpteenth time). Anyway, I have now decided that I like this song the best on the record (with Wooden Ships a close second - and I have always loved the record). I think this is again because my ears have gotten better, finally. It occurs to me that this is a song that could hold its own in a collection of Joni's best work - high praise to David. And it makes me wonder if maybe David did have an influence on Joni's music. Can any of you guitar tab masters tell me what the tuning is for Guinnevere ? I will try fiddling with it in EBDGAD, on the off chance that that works. It does not sound like standard tuning to my ears, but I could easily be wrong. Bobsart Lama wrote > Did Joel show David open tunings? > > On the sleeve notes of a 1993 re-release of "Crosby, Stills and Nash", > Raymond Foye wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > From its hypnotic opening notes, David Crosby's "Guinnevere" creates a > space unlike any other in rock music. "When all my friends > were listening to Elvis Presley, I was listening to 1950s West Coast jazz," > Crosby notes. Later, Crosby's divergent musical > sensibility was further inspired by a close association with Joni Mitchell, > whose unusual repertoire of guitar tunings heightened > his increasingly oblique musical sense, taking him another step away from > standard rock formulas. > > > Fellow musician Joel Bernstein recalls that for Crosby, "the discovery of > non-standard tunings was the opening the little door in > 'Alice in Wonderland'." By literally rearranging the tones on his guitar > (the tuning is EBDGAD), Crosby tapped into a creative > well-spring that produced "Deja Vu" and "Song With No Words," within a very > short space of time.>>>>>>>> > > checking in from the NJC digest, > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:02:28 EDT From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: Blue TV performance I'm assuming that the performance of BLUE on the Joni American Masters documentary is an outtake from the BBC show. Any chance of an unedited version of that video leaking out? --- om==- Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:08:16 -0600 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Joni ->Joel -> David ? 100% JC This link (repeated at the bottom) reminded me of Crosby's album "If I Could Only Remember My Name", which I listened to at the time of its release (1971, right after "Deja Vu"); I'd forgotten all about it; I am buying it immediately. Reviewers on Amazon.com mention Joni (and others) appear as guests. Can anyone describe Joni's work on this album while I'm waiting for my CD to arrive? I'm not necessarily encouraging people to buy from Amazon, but after reading reviews of this album, you may want to buy it, wherever you buy your CDs. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002I6T/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-7525052-5484967?v=glance&s=music&vi=customer-reviews There can be no doubt that Joni influenced David's guitar playing tremendously. I'd never really thought about Crosby's seminal work on the CSN(Y) albums: "Guinnevere", "Wooden Ships", "Deja Vu", as using alternate tunings. Of course everyone recalls in his extensive appearance in WOHM (and the out-takes), he eloquently describes how blown away he was when he first heard/saw Joni, and of course, he went on to produce STASG. At 08:36 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Did Joel show David open tunings? > >On the sleeve notes of a 1993 re-release of "Crosby, Stills and Nash", >Raymond Foye wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > >From its hypnotic opening notes, David Crosby's "Guinnevere" creates a > space unlike any other in rock music. "When all my friends >were listening to Elvis Presley, I was listening to 1950s West Coast >jazz," Crosby notes. Later, Crosby's divergent musical >sensibility was further inspired by a close association with Joni >Mitchell, whose unusual repertoire of guitar tunings heightened >his increasingly oblique musical sense, taking him another step away from >standard rock formulas. > > >Fellow musician Joel Bernstein recalls that for Crosby, "the discovery of >non-standard tunings was the opening the little door in >'Alice in Wonderland'." By literally rearranging the tones on his guitar >(the tuning is EBDGAD), Crosby tapped into a creative >well-spring that produced "Deja Vu" and "Song With No Words," within a >very short space of time.>>>>>>>> > >checking in from the NJC digest, >Lama > >Details? >Found at this site: >http://members.tripod.com/MissSheep/grid37csn37.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:58:09 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni ->Joel -> David ? 100% JC Dan Olson wrote: > of Crosby's album "If I > Could Only Remember My Name", which I listened to at the time of its > release (1971, right after "Deja Vu"); I'd forgotten all about it; I am > buying it immediately. Reviewers on Amazon.com mention Joni (and others) > appear as guests. Can anyone describe Joni's work on this album while I'm > waiting for my CD to arrive? Great album. The Grateful Dead are essentially the backup band for much of it, plus Neil, Graham and other bay area folks. The only place where you actually can identify Joni's voice is on "Laughing"-she does a distinctive wordless vocalization following the last verse. She may also be part of the vocal chorus on "What Are Their Names," Grace Slick's voice is evident there. > There can be no doubt that Joni influenced David's guitar playing > tremendously. I'd never really thought about Crosby's seminal work on the > CSN(Y) albums: "Guinnevere", "Wooden Ships", "Deja Vu", as using alternate > tunings. All of the songs you mentioned are in alternate tunings. I'm pretty sure he was already playing with alternate tunings pre-Joni, while still in the Byrds. I have no doubt that working with Joni inspired him to go further into alt-tuning land. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:29:09 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Easter + PazFest News Happy Easter Hi everybody! I am 694 emails behind with list mail cause I have switched to living on my gigs for the past week or so and with Jazz Fest coming there is no hope in site of me getting a break. I would like to send out my prayers and thoughts for the whole list and hope that you all have many blessings in your lives and that everyone is feeling good. Also a special shout out to the troops and their families and my gratefulness for their sacrifice. I would also like to let everyone know that PazFest site is now up on CD Baby at this location http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/pazfest .If you have already purchased this cd from me please stop by and post a review. It has only been up a couple days and I am getting sales on it already. Thanks to everyone for the continued support. If you are going to be in the New Orleans area during JazzFest I am playing a gig with "Paprika Plains" (Christina, Sam Price, and myself), at Tipitina's French Quarter location On Weds April 30, 2003 at 8pm We are opening a show being hosted by our own Jack Neilson who will be playing an ensemble set and solo as well as a set by Beth Patterson, Leslie Smith, John Parker and more. A band called Bingo is suppose to close the show. They played on Jukebox last week and kicked my ass. Their new record is coming out this week. Check out their website here: http://www.bingomusic.com/aboutbingo.html Check out these songs. Something in Her Shows In a Lounge with Broken Wings The news songs he played on the show are great. He reminds of Ryan Adams only he is a really nice guy. LOL! Best to all Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:07:48 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Parody Les, in case you're busy with other things, here's a new parody to consider. I went to the web site of the Grammy Awards and looked up "Little Richard". No hits. Unless they have him cataloged by his real name, which I doubt, Little Richard hasn't won a Grammy. Michael, This is funny and so true. I'm sure Paul McCartney, for one, would like to see more recognition for Little Richard. You probably know Beatle Paul stole the falsetto "ooh" from Richard. Any way, great job, Michael. Lama np: "Smile Away" from Mac's "RAM" album - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:16:30 -0700 From: "Michael Langdon" Subject: Joni Parody I made up this parody of "The Last Time I Saw Richard" while I was riding my bike today. How do I submit it to the website? The Last Time I Saw Little Richard The last time I saw Little Richard It was on the Grammies in 83 And he asked us, How come they never gave no grammy to me? Ive been rolling and rocking and bop-a-loo-mopping All these many years. You laugh, he said, But you know its true. Look at all these fools they gave grammies to  Milli Vanilli and Boxcar Willie and the Captain and Tennille. The Captain and Tennille  Whyd they give a grammy to the Captain and Tennille? Oh, the Captain and Tennille. Richard, I said, I know its a shame, But a lot of people have won grammies and Now no one knows their name. Theres one for Jon Moss, three for Thomas Frost, And look, five for Christopher Cross. Christopher Cross. Whyd they give five grammies to Chri-IH-ih-IS-to-pher Cross, Oh, Christopher Cross. Christopher Cross. Little Richard got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame They gave him a lifetime achievement grammy But he says its not the same. Now he does cameos in movies and TV shows And commercials for Taco Bell. Taco Bell. Little Richard does commercials for Tah-AH-ah-AH-ah-AH-ah-CO-oh Bell Hes in celebrity hell, Doing commercials for Taco Bell. - - ----- Michael Langdon, English Instructor City College of San Francisco Office: Batmale 618 Phone: (415)239-3825 mlangdon@ccsf.edu - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:55:55 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni book Yes, I found that book too! And I think the picture of Joni is very good on the cover. What a special find. . .I found it in an antique store near Lake Ontario in Rochester. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:06:53 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: swishing chippendales SJC "The afternoon was hot, but not hot like Pasadena. There was a drowsy smell of flowers and sun, a swishing of lawn sprinklers gentle behind hedges and walls, a clear ratchety sound of lawn mowers moving delicately over serene and confident lawns."... "At the back a stained-glass window about the size of a tennis court. Curtained French doors underneath it. An old musty, fusty, narrow-minded, clean and bitter room. It didn't look as if anyone ever sat in it or would ever want to." OK crew, four questions 1. who wrote these lines?(Easy) 2. which book? 3. do these two extracts remind you of any recently-discussed Joni songs? 4. do you think Joni has read the book and used the quotes? Also interesting in the book, is its references to Bunker Hill, (interesting to me 'cos I'm currently reading Mike Davis' "Dead Cities" which talks about the land speculation in LA a lot, and especially in this area). mike (not davis) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:41:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: swishing chippendales SJC > OK crew, four questions > 1. who wrote these lines?(Easy) Not easy for me. Who wrote it? I haven't got a clue. > 2. which book? ??? Mark E Illiterati in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:28:13 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Lucy Kaplansky, with JC Saw Lucy Kaplansky last night at the Barns of Wolf Trap in Vienna, VA. She was a joy to hear, as was her lead guitarist, Duke Levine (he ROCKS). But the best part of the evening for me was Lucy's excellent cover of "Willy", during which she accompanied herself on piano. After the song was over, Lucy returned to the center stage mike and said, "You all know who wrote that, don't you? Joni Mitchell." She then went on to say that she had performed the song along with another Joni tune "at a gig in New York City a couple of weeks ago" (Wall to Wall, I'm sure). Lucy also told the audience that, "Joni Mitchell was the single biggest influence on my life" (or words very similar). She said that when she was 15 her brother gave her Blue and told her she HAD to listen to it, and that after doing so, she decided that playing music was what she wanted to do with her life (of course there was that brief period when Lucy was a clinical psychologist, but who cares?). She said, "Blue completely changed my world." Know anyone else who might say that? ; ) A really good show, and wonderful Joni content! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:35:50 -0400 From: dsk Subject: TV Show "On Tour: Joni Mitchell" According to tvguide.com, this is a 60-minute show that's going to be on in NYC this Tuesday at 10 am and 3 pm on Trio, a channel I don't get. Does anyone know what this is? There's no description other than "Featured: Joni Mitchell." Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:31:41 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Blue TV performance There are 2 different parts of this show in circulation that together, make up almost the whole concert. They both aired, the second as an 'encore presentation' a few months after the initial broadcast. My dubbing capacity for video is not quite up to snuff, but that may change before long. - -Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Blue TV performance > I'm assuming that the performance of BLUE on the Joni American Masters > documentary is an outtake from the BBC show. Any chance of an unedited > version of that video leaking out? --- om==- Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:34:33 EDT From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: NYC TV Show "On Tour: Joni Mitchell" In a message dated 4/20/2003 7:32:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > According to tvguide.com, this is a 60-minute show that's going to be on > in NYC this Tuesday at 10 am and 3 pm on Trio, a channel I don't get. > Does anyone know what this is? There's no description other than > "Featured: Joni Mitchell." > > Sounds good. Any New Yorkers got their VCRs set? === om--== Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:57:33 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: swishing chippendales mike pritchard wrote: > > OK crew, four questions > 1. who wrote these lines?(Easy) > 2. which book? > 3. do these two extracts remind you of any recently-discussed Joni songs? > 4. do you think Joni has read the book and used the quotes? OK, I'll play. My guesses: 1. Sounds like Raymond Chandler to me 2. The Long Goodbye 3. HOSL... and something else? 4. Seeing superficial lushness and the emptiness/deadness underneath are similar, but except for the lawn sprinklers and "no one sits in" idea the details don't match, even though the feelings do. Maybe Joni saw the early 70's Altman film "The Long Goodbye" and got some ideas for HOSL from that. Or maybe she read those passages, although she's said she doesn't read much. Debra Shea, going with my hunches this Easter evening ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:11:59 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: April 21 1974: Joni performed in London's New Victoria Theate. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 02:11:59 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 21 On April 21 the following items were published: 1988: "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=306 1997: "A Daughter Lost and Found" - Time (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=425 1997: "Adoption - Both Sides Now" - Western Report (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=423 1997: "Joni, No Longer Blue" - Newsweek (Reunion Story, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=92 1997: "Joni's Secret: Mother And Child Reunion" - MacLean's (Reunion Story, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=91 1998: "Negative slant put on Joni Mitchell adoption reunion" - Ottawa Citizen (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=740 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:53:34 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: swishing chippendales SJC > OK crew, four questions > 1. who wrote these lines?(Easy) Sounds like Joan Didion (wonderful) > 2. which book? Sounds like "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" > 3. do these two extracts remind you of any recently-discussed Joni songs? Hissing all the way > 4. do you think Joni has read the book and used the quotes? Yep! > Also interesting in the book, is its references to Bunker Hill, (interesting > to me 'cos I'm currently reading Mike Davis' "Dead Cities" which talks about > the land speculation in LA a lot, and especially in this area). Interesting - I should pick it up. Bunker Hill is pretty done as far as development now (at least once they finish the Disney Concert Hall), but it's development was hugely controversial in the '60s when a neighborhood of beautiful Victorian homes were torn out to make way for "progress" and highrises. Synchro - I just had a long conversation about it the other night with a friend and learned most of the area is owned by the State. The development now is all happening south and east and it's a good thing this go around because they are mostly preserving and re-habbing all the old buildings instead of bulldozing them Kakki, leasing on leased land ;-) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #138 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)