From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #136 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 19 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 136 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni ["ash" ] those cannibals [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: those cannibals [Catherine McKay ] Re: those cannibals [Deb Messling ] Re: those cannibals - "shuck and jive" meaning ["Moni Kellermann" ] Video of WOHAM broadcast ["Heather" ] Joni Parody ["Michael Langdon" ] shuck & jive, Tapestry ["Rache A" ] RE: those cannibals - "shuck and jive" meaning ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: joni mitchell - Ref#:R3002 ["gene mock" ] Joni on Video! 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] A Joni inquiry [Little Bird ] A Joni answer [Little Bird ] Today in History: April 19 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: April 19 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:20:48 +1000 From: "ash" Subject: Joni Ooooops! YES I'd love to join! 8B6622A-934C48B Thank you Ash ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:47:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: those cannibals In "The Jungle Line" Joni sings about "those cannibals of shuck and Jive." Today, while reading a Michael Musto Village Voice column dated 3/24/03, I came across the following: "As the war rages on with shock and awe, showbiz folk with shuck and jive need to submit to my own mandatory weapons inspection." Question: Did Joni come up with the phrase "shuck and jive?" I have never seen it anywhere else until now. Also, what does "shuck" mean? I assume it's slang and not the dictionary definition. Thanks, Joniphiles! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: those cannibals --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > In "The Jungle Line" Joni sings about "those > cannibals of shuck and Jive." > Today, while reading a Michael Musto Village Voice > column dated 3/24/03, I > came across the following: > > "As the war rages on with shock and awe, showbiz > folk with shuck and jive > need to submit to my own mandatory weapons > inspection." > > Question: Did Joni come up with the phrase "shuck > and jive?" I have never > seen it anywhere else until now. Also, what does > "shuck" mean? I assume it's > slang and not the dictionary definition. > I always thought it came from an African American kind of background. Something along the lines of hustle or con job, trying to fool people with smooth talk whiel dancing around a topic. If you do a google search on "shuck jive", it's amazing how much stuff it pulls up, but I couldn't find a definition, just things that suggest that what I'm guessing is close, if not "it". Jimmy Webb wrote a song called "Mr Shuck and Jive" that is on an Art Garfunkel album. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:26:19 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: those cannibals I don't have access to any dictionaries of slang today, but a quick search on the Web found a definition of "shuck and jive" --oddly enough, in an opinion written by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals: "Shuck and jive" is a phrase with racial origins. See Smith v. Farley, 59 F.3d 659, 664 (7th Cir. 1995). It began as slang adopted by American blacks to describe a situation where blacks lie to whites to stay out of trouble. See 15 Oxford English Dictionary 388 (2d ed. 1989). There is some debate regarding whether this slang has crossed over into mainstream usage. See Smith, 59 F.3d at 664 At 12:47 PM 4/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Question: Did Joni come up with the phrase "shuck and jive?" I have never >seen it anywhere else until now. Also, what does "shuck" mean? I assume it's >slang and not the dictionary definition. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:06:34 +0200 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: those cannibals - "shuck and jive" meaning I found someone in a newsgroup asking for the origin of "shuck and jive" and someone else quoted: _Dictionary of American Slang, Third Edition_ (1995) gives: shuck 2 v (also shuck and jive) black by 1966 To joke; tease; = fool around: ... 22 percent of each trash-truck crew's workday is spent shucking and jiving and shadowboxing -- Philadelphia.... 4 v (also shuck and jive) black & student by 1959 To swindle; cheat; deceive; esp to bluff verbally and counterfeit total sincerity. _Cassell's Dictionary of Slang_ (1998) says: shuch and jive n. [late 19C+] (US, esp. Black) deception, play-acting, obfuscation. shucking and jiving n. [1960s+] (US Black) fooling, playing around. "For many blacks, shuckin' and jivin' is a survival technique to avoid and stay out of trouble. (H.L. Foster, 1974) moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:27:54 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: those cannibals - "shuck and jive" meaning This is interesting. Thanks for the info. I thought it may have something to do with clams ... some fishing terminology. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Moni Kellermann Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: those cannibals - "shuck and jive" meaning I found someone in a newsgroup asking for the origin of "shuck and jive" and someone else quoted: _Dictionary of American Slang, Third Edition_ (1995) gives: shuck 2 v (also shuck and jive) black by 1966 To joke; tease; = fool around: ... 22 percent of each trash-truck crew's workday is spent shucking and jiving and shadowboxing -- Philadelphia.... 4 v (also shuck and jive) black & student by 1959 To swindle; cheat; deceive; esp to bluff verbally and counterfeit total sincerity. _Cassell's Dictionary of Slang_ (1998) says: shuch and jive n. [late 19C+] (US, esp. Black) deception, play-acting, obfuscation. shucking and jiving n. [1960s+] (US Black) fooling, playing around. "For many blacks, shuckin' and jivin' is a survival technique to avoid and stay out of trouble. (H.L. Foster, 1974) moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: that Joni PBS thing --- Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley wrote: > I was reading > my Entertainment > Weekly (nothing but highbrow reading for me), which > arrived later than a > son of a bitch as usual, and I see there was some > Joni thing on PBS that > I missed??????? what the hell was it, who's got it, > and was it any > good???? Not only did you miss it on PBS, you obviously missed it on CBC too, ya hoser! Here you go. I stole this from a post by Lama. I'm sure he has a copyright on it, so he is hereby acknowledged and thanked. "Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart and Mind" is available on NTSC VHS or DVD from WNET in New York. From the USA and Canada, you can call 1-800-336-1917." > the > Easter bunny will not be visiting a certain cat at > my house... hell, the > cat will be forced to dress up like the Easter bunny > as punishment.... I may have a cat-sized bunny suit I can lend you. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:33:52 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Video of WOHAM broadcast I have an extra VHS copy of the WOHAM broadcast. If anyone would like it, please send me an address of where to send it. Best- Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:16:30 -0700 From: "Michael Langdon" Subject: Joni Parody I made up this parody of "The Last Time I Saw Richard" while I was riding my bike today. How do I submit it to the website? The Last Time I Saw Little Richard The last time I saw Little Richard It was on the Grammies in 83 And he asked us, How come they never gave no grammy to me? Ive been rolling and rocking and bop-a-loo-mopping All these many years. You laugh, he said, But you know its true. Look at all these fools they gave grammies to  Milli Vanilli and Boxcar Willie and the Captain and Tennille. The Captain and Tennille  Whyd they give a grammy to the Captain and Tennille? Oh, the Captain and Tennille. Richard, I said, I know its a shame, But a lot of people have won grammies and Now no one knows their name. Theres one for Jon Moss, three for Thomas Frost, And look, five for Christopher Cross. Christopher Cross. Whyd they give five grammies to Chri-IH-ih-IS-to-pher Cross, Oh, Christopher Cross. Christopher Cross. Little Richard got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame They gave him a lifetime achievement grammy But he says its not the same. Now he does cameos in movies and TV shows And commercials for Taco Bell. Taco Bell. Little Richard does commercials for Tah-AH-ah-AH-ah-AH-ah-CO-oh Bell Hes in celebrity hell, Doing commercials for Taco Bell. - ----- Michael Langdon, English Instructor City College of San Francisco Office: Batmale 618 Phone: (415)239-3825 mlangdon@ccsf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:52:53 -0400 From: "Rache A" Subject: shuck & jive, Tapestry 'Cannibals of shuck & jive' could refer to people profiting off other things such as blues & jazz music, they know how to use people; "They'll eat a working girl like her alive"...just a thought. Wow I never knew Joni sung on Tapestry, and I know the pictures inside are intentionally unclear, I guess to be like a tapestry, but it'd be neat to find a clearer copy of the one of her! And I can't remember who it was, but someone had asked about recordings of unreleased songs & mentioned The Fishbowl, was that a song, too? I just know it as a poem...I've got the sheet music for a couple of those songs, as unhelpful as it may be for most things from all the songs I do know it gets the melody well. Rachel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:48:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: those cannibals - "shuck and jive" meaning heather, no mention of clams, please. seriously now, the dictionary reference is a major find! thank you moni! wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Heather Enviado el: Viernes, 18 de Abril de 2003 03:28 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: those cannibals - "shuck and jive" meaning This is interesting. Thanks for the info. I thought it may have something to do with clams ... some fishing terminology. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Moni Kellermann Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: those cannibals - "shuck and jive" meaning I found someone in a newsgroup asking for the origin of "shuck and jive" and someone else quoted: _Dictionary of American Slang, Third Edition_ (1995) gives: shuck 2 v (also shuck and jive) black by 1966 To joke; tease; = fool around: ... 22 percent of each trash-truck crew's workday is spent shucking and jiving and shadowboxing -- Philadelphia.... 4 v (also shuck and jive) black & student by 1959 To swindle; cheat; deceive; esp to bluff verbally and counterfeit total sincerity. _Cassell's Dictionary of Slang_ (1998) says: shuch and jive n. [late 19C+] (US, esp. Black) deception, play-acting, obfuscation. shucking and jiving n. [1960s+] (US Black) fooling, playing around. "For many blacks, shuckin' and jivin' is a survival technique to avoid and stay out of trouble. (H.L. Foster, 1974) moni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:51:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: those cannibals bob>>Question: Did Joni come up with the phrase "shuck and jive?" I have never seen it anywhere else until now. Also, what does "shuck" mean? I assume it's slang and not the dictionary definition.<< I have a book titled "Shuckin' and Jivin'" Folklore from Contemporary Black Americans written by Daryl Cumber Dance. She was the teacher of a coarse I took in college in Black Studies. I looked in the book to see if I could find a definition of this phrase. In her introduction to the book, the author says that the material comes from all over the globe but have become part of the lore of Black Americans who have adopted them as their own & passed them on by word of mouth. She adds that most of the tales are delivered in dialect regardless of the sophistication of the teller. At the end of her intro she writes: "During my interview with Charles E. Hayes, a ninety-six old informant, someone asked me if I wanted tales and other items from old people. Mr. Hayes quipped, 'What she needs is people who know something!'Attend these people who know something, peep in on them as they are shuckin' and jivin', and perhaps, like me, you will come away knowing more as a result." www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:02:31 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Fw: joni mitchell - Ref#:R3002 hello all, this is for all within kvie channel 6 viewing area (sacratomato, calif.) later - ----- Original Message ----- From: response@kvie.org To: gmock@psyber.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: RE: joni mitchell - Ref#:R3002 Dear Gene, KVIE Channel 6 had a scheduling conflict for the American Masters: Joni Mitchell program. We are currently locating a new time for the program. Please watch your members guide, On Six for the exact time and date. Probably in June or July. Thank you for visiting kvie.org. Stay Tuned, Paul Hermann Member Services, KVIE Channel 6 Be more inspired. Be more KVIE. ________________________________ HELPFUL INFORMATION ON KVIE.ORG Get free, weekly KVIE program alerts! http://www.kvie.org/viewersclub View program listings online! http://www.kvie.org/schedule/sixschedule.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:33:58 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on Video! 100% JC "Joni Mitchell: A Woman Of Heart and Mind" is available on VHS from WNET in New York. From the USA and Canada, you can call 1-800-336-1917. "Painting With Words and Music" is available on VHS from many video stores and on the web at www.amazon.com These VHS tapes play in Canadian & USA vcrs. They will also play on many European players that are "universal" or that support the NTSC format. Enjoy. Remember to tip your waitress and drive responsibly. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: A Joni inquiry Did Joni ever appear on Saturday Night Live? - -Andrew The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 21:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: A Joni answer An on-list thanks to Ken and Randy for their off-list replies to my inquiry. - -Andrew The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:14:20 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: April 19 1998: In its ninth year, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) Media Awards, honoring positive portrayals of gays and lesbians, attracted more star power than ever, including Jennifer Aniston, Jamie Lee Curtis, Howie Mandel, Joni Mitchell and Cher. The awards were handed out in three cities--New York on March 30, Washington, D.C. on April 4, and tonight in Los Angeles. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:14:20 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 19 On April 19 the following item was published: 1999: "Making up for Lost Time" - Los Angeles Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=556 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #136 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)