From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #124 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 124 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #225 [Randy Remote ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #225 [Randy Remote ] A Case of U..rine [Gordon Mackie ] WTF?!! ["o" ] Re: MacMath [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: JT and JM [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: A Case of U..rine [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: FW: blue ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: FW: blue ["Mark or Travis" ] cohen - the priest ["sarah c" ] Re: Blue, and Hejira ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Down to you and tidbits ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: onlyJMDL "choices" [Wiloboy@aol.com] Re: Down to you and tidbits [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Down to you and tidbits [Murphycopy@aol.com] Refuge Tour [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Refuge Tour [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Down to you and tidbits [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Bowling for JONI [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Down to you and tidbits [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Bowling for JONI [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Down to you and tidbits ["Maggie McNally" ] RE: Down to you and tidbits ["theodore" ] a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [anne@sandstrom.] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song ["Donna Bink] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song ["mack watso] Re: Down to you and tidbits ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [Catherine M] "No color, no constrast..." [Little Bird ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [Little Bird ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." ["Lori Fye" ] End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni (fwd) [anne-smi] Fw: Happy Rhodes Tour 2003 ["ron" ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [Susan Guzzi ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [Murphycopy@aol.com] music our parents played ["ron" ] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "No color, no constrast..." [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [SCJoniGuy@a] no color, no contrast ["courtandspark@earthlink.net" ] PazFest Available on CD Baby [Michael Paz ] Re: Hooked on Joni & JoniFest [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Down To You on video? [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Down to You on video? [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song [anne@sandst] Re: Laura Nyro's passing [PassScribe@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:21:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #225 I didn't say Ginsberg was arrested. He did say, however, "I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too -- everybody does, who has a little humanity." NAMBLA (The North American Man/Boy Love Association, based in NY) has, as the cornerstone of it's philosophy, the idea that it is okay for men to have sex with boys, even pre- puberty. They're open about it and Ginsberg was open about being a member. Seems clear enough. As far as influencing Dylan, I suppose he did, but I would say Woody Gutherie and Ramblin' Jack Elliot were bigger influences. I'm not aware that Joni was influenced by the Beats directly, though through others like Dylan, sure. Would Dylan or Joni exist without Kerouac & Ginsberg? How do you stop a baby being born? RR "pot is fun" - Allen Ginsberg David Marine wrote: > Hey Randy: > > Ginsberg's limited writings on NAMBLA focus on free speech. He was > never accused of -- nor indicted for -- having sex with a minor. He was > a seminal poet and essayist, and one of the most important poets, > writers, and thinkers of his time. I doubt Dylan or Joni would exist > without him and Kerouac. > > Best, > > David > > On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 06:45 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > > Kate Bennett wrote: > > > >> from the website: > >> > >> "Kerouac, Ginsberg and Burroughs found inspiration in jazz music and > >> the > >> culture that surrounded it. > > > > Not without their dark side-Burroughs was a devoted junkie who > > shot his wife in the head. Ginsberg was an advocate for sex with > > children. > > They're not my heroes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:38:11 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #225 sorry I forgot the NJC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:34:10 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: A Case of U..rine Hi All Been in lurk mode for ages and been deleting posts left right and centre....so if this has been covered ignore me ! I see people like Diana Krall's Case of You and I do too. Loved the version she did on the Joni tribute and also on her Live in Paris dvd. I always loved the original Blue version and in the back of my mind alawys wondered why Joni was always so precise about saying 'you are in my blood' ...I now know! The spoiler for for Diana's version is that she sings 'you're in my blood like holy wine which sounds like she's singing 'urine'. Sorry Dr Freud, but that is what it makes me thing. Am I loosing it altogether ...well, hell yes ! Gordon PS Anyone know how to get a pal copy of the Joni American masters thingy...or am I barking at the wrong fish Mr Fielding ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:51:26 +0100 From: "o" Subject: WTF?!! Surely this warrants removal from the list? Suzanne, you sound deranged. I can't believe a person with hateful, bigoted opinions like that could like Joni Mitchell - you're sullying her good name, woman!!! Think loving thoughts and get help, fast! Peace (you need it), Owen >- -----Original Message----- >From: Suzanne MarcAurele [mailto:smarcaurele@digitalproquo.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:24 PM >To: theodore >Subject: RE: UN Reports Congo Killing Spree - 966 Killed & Yet the >Anti-American Smear Campaign Goes On Unabated-NJC >one more thing "theo" maybe we should just bend over like some of us do >every time the situation warrants a choice betwixt sustaining >civilization >or returning to something shall we say Medeival - I wish all pinko >commie >faggots would spend the rest of their lives in real humanitarian work in >the >midst of those hell hole macho paradises and when their assholes get >sore >from dysentery or bending over too much not only will they beg to come >home >to this great country but they may go straight and learn what life >really is >all about ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:23:16 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: MacMath > Mark E in Seattle wrote > (can you imagine 'Brad's Dad's Mercury'?) > Yes, but I think that Joni the (alliteration and rhyming) Junkie would have stood pat with Brad's Dad's Cadillac :~) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:32:21 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JT and JM Bob Murphy wrote: > Regarding "Blue," here's another scenario: Maybe it was written to Graham > after Joni had started seeing the troubled, drug addicted James. ("Hell's > the > hippest way to go, I don't think so, but I'm gonna take a look around it > though . . . Blue, I love you") Works for me! I like this. Still, I wonder about the line "crown and anchor me, or let me sail away ?" It conflicts with her statements in WOHAM. More like trasferrance. Also, others suggested that the JT was more casual. I'll buy "more troubled", but my sense of the material from FTR is that it was more than casual. Unless I am missing the boat re: Cold Blue Steel, Lesson in Survival, FTR, See you Sometime and Blond in the Bleachers. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:36:13 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of U..rine In a message dated 4/9/2003 4:34:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, gordon.mackie@strath.ac.uk writes: > PS Anyone know how to get a pal copy of the Joni American > masters > thingy... Gordon, I can have a PAL copy made from the version I have. The guy I use charges $25 for the service, plus add in the cost of the blank (about $2 for a premium grade), shipping ($6 or so airmail from the US to the UK). I have a Paypal account so as long as you have a credit card you can reimburse me easily for the costs. Hope that helps; let me know if you're interested. Bob NP: "A Case of You" Wantaugh, NY 7/24/83 (synchronicity, eh?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:55:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: FW: blue theodore wrote: > Those were different times. All I'm saying is I've been in love with > someone who the entire time was hedging their bets. Lesson learned. > You know I was not in the woman's shoes. A girl that looked like Joni > did back then could have married anyone. I just think she used Chuck > to get her past a period where she needed to gather her courage to go > it alone. I don't think she ever wanted to raise the kid anyway. Its > ok I don't hold it against her. > > She wanted to make love to the MacMath dude, she didn't want the > pregnancy. I think this one's a lost cause, dearest Mags. Love, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:08:19 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: FW: blue Uh-oh. That was meant to be a private post. Sorry folks. Mark E in Seattle (oh we're still on the air! oh have I got my boot in my mouth!) Mark or Travis wrote: > theodore wrote: >> Those were different times. All I'm saying is I've been in love with >> someone who the entire time was hedging their bets. Lesson learned. >> You know I was not in the woman's shoes. A girl that looked like Joni >> did back then could have married anyone. I just think she used Chuck >> to get her past a period where she needed to gather her courage to go >> it alone. I don't think she ever wanted to raise the kid anyway. Its >> ok I don't hold it against her. >> >> She wanted to make love to the MacMath dude, she didn't want the >> pregnancy. > > I think this one's a lost cause, dearest Mags. > > Love, > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:18:13 +0100 From: "sarah c" Subject: cohen - the priest I also thought that The Priest was about Leonard Cohen, and Rainy Night aswell, in fact most of the male references in Ladies of the Canyon, no? Would be interested to hear if true or not - can't remember where I read it initially. It's so true what someone else wrote about almost 90% of art being created by loves lost, won, fought for etc. It always reminds me of a great quote by Stephen Fry about the fact that "without wine, beauty, art, music and love, life is safe, but not really worth bothering about". so true! sarah - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. More info here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:59:04 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Blue, and Hejira Bob - I think after all these years you have answered the question. Bravo. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:20:03 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits I agree Bob. I also think it would not have worked thematically but don't know if I can say why. And while we're talking about T'log I've loved it since the beginning so this may be biased - but I was listening to it on random mode with TI, WTRF, NRH, and HEJIRA. I have to say that if great singing is defined as expressive storytelling - her singing has never been better than T'log. Listening to it on random was very educational. Your NP's for several days have been following the refuge tour. Is there a method to your madness? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:26:51 -0400 From: Wiloboy@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL "choices" > >I don't understand why there is always this choice between > staying with a guy and following her muse.< Regarding the early relationships (especially Nash) it seems to me Joni's marriage & divorce from Chuck Mitchell was certainly fresh on her mind, it hadn't been that long before she "got out of that" and then there's this quote from Joan "My grandmothers both were frustrated musicians in different ways. My paternal grandmother came from Norway, and the story has it that the last time she cried in her life she was 14, and she was crying because she knew she would never have a piano. And she became a stoic. She had a miserable, nasty life. She had 11 kids and married a mean, poor drunk, but she never wept through all the hardship in all her adult life that anyone knows of. My maternal grandmother, on the other hand, was a classical musician who came East when the Prairies opened up by train. She was Scottish-French, and they brought an organ in for her and a gramophone. She was a poet and musician, but she still kicked the kitchen door off its hinges out of her frustration at being trapped in the role of a housewife. Maybe Joni just gets that trapped feeling. I'm sure she felt that way as a child with Polio, looking out the window at the world going by. I don't think she ever wanted to be in that "trapped" place again. Or at least that early in her career. We certainly have benefited from her decisions! ...And then again there may be a little truth to what Ted said too! Wil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:28:11 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits In a message dated 4/9/2003 1:20:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: > Listening to it > on random was very educational. That's a good idea...I tend to get realy bogged down listening to T'log all the way through, so I'll try stirring it into a mix and see if that helps. > > Your NP's for several days have been following the refuge > tour. Is there a > method to your madness? Well, here at work I play through my collection in A-B-C order...I got to Joni and decided to play through all the stuff I have, and I'm enjoying it a lot. Lots of nice moments I'd forgotten about. Since I have my Joni arranged chronologically, all the 83's are playing through. Almost done, about 6 more shows to go. The Refuge tour was a LONG tour, by anyone's standards. From February rehearsals to the end of July she and her band rocked literally around the world. And although they did pretty much the same show every night, they always mixed up the setlists to keep it interesting for themselves I'm sure. You can definitely tell that they (and the crowd) was much more into it some nights more than others. She should definitely get back to Europe as it's evident that she is well-loved there. I didn't see her on this tour...she pretty much skipped the Southeast. But I'd love to hear from those of y'all that saw her on this tour and what you remember!! Bob NP: "Banquet", Boston, MA 7/20/83 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:43:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits Mr. Muller writes: << NP: "Banquet", Boston, MA 7/20/83 >> Yikes, Bob! Isn't this the infamous Boston concert during which she walked off stage? Man, am I glad I skipped that one. (Not so sure I would have ever forgiven her lack of professionalism.) I had been talking up Joni to a friend at the time and he went to this concert. After that he never wanted to hear her name again! --Bob NPIMH: The pinko-commie-faggot anthem I've always meant to write ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:56:01 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Refuge Tour Bob, At the time, one of the biggest standouts for me was the rocked up version of Banquet. It caught me totally off guard, and was blown away by. I also thought she should have released a version of this as a single. I haven't heard it quite a while, so I don't if it holds up to repeated listens, but it sure struck me at the time. Nothing else really stands out, other than missing Jaco terribly. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:41:01 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Refuge Tour In a message dated 4/9/2003 1:56:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, Merk54 writes: I haven't > heard it quite a while, so I don't if it holds up to repeated listens, but it > sure struck me at the time. I would say that it does...the electrification and pumped up rhythm adds to the edgy lyric. Of course, I love the original version, but this one is one of the better transitions to Refuge's musical stylings. Nothing else really stands > out, other than > missing Jaco terribly. True, but I'm not sure that he would've fit in with this tour, which was very much more rock-oriented and structured for the most part. Seems like it was anyway. Bob NP: "Woodstock", Boston '83 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:44:50 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits In a message dated 4/9/2003 1:43:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > Isn't this the infamous Boston concert during which she > walked > off stage? That's the one...our Boston Jim was there, maybe some others. She still did 18 songs, a tad shorter than the 20-25 she did at most of the other venues. Bob NP: "Coyote", Holmdel, NJ 7/16/83 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:47:53 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Bowling for JONI In a message dated 4/9/2003 2:29:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > I didn't see her on this tour...she pretty much skipped the Southeast. But > I'd love to hear from those of y'all that saw her on this tour and what you > remember!! > > Unfortunately, I wasn't into Joni when she was still touring extensively. :( But, friends of mine said that the saw her concert in Cleveland during this time, and afterward happened to be at a bowling alley bowling right next to Joni, Larry and bandmates. Such luck! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:48:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits Muller writes: << She still did 18 songs, a tad shorter than the 20-25 she did at most of the other venues. >> 18 songs! That's quite a lot. The way the legend has grown locally, you'd think she did about half a song. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:57:02 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bowling for JONI In a message dated 4/9/2003 2:47:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, KJHSF writes: > But, friends of mine said that the saw her concert in Cleveland during this time, and afterward happened to be at a > bowling alley bowling right next to Joni, Larry and bandmates. How surreal & cool would THAT be!? It must have been the drummer's idea; "Vinnie Coluitta" sounds like a champion bowler to me! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:02:22 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Down to you and tidbits I was there, and it was a much better concert than "local lore" would suggest. Yes, she walked off, but she came back on and it was a very good show. But then again, I was as big a fan then as I am now, so perhaps I was more willing to forgive the whole thing than a non-fan skeptic. You think? Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:Murphycopy@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:48 PM To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits Muller writes: << She still did 18 songs, a tad shorter than the 20-25 she did at most of the other venues. >> 18 songs! That's quite a lot. The way the legend has grown locally, you'd think she did about half a song. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:10:42 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Down to you and tidbits When my band did live sets we did 13 songs 45 minutes, 11 and 2 encores and we're talking 2 1/2 - 3 minute songs. 18 songs is more than they paid for. I remember seeing TSOL they did 4 songs and left because people wouldn't stop fighting. I had waited a year to see them. I had a great idea. I think Joni should cap off her career by working with a guy like Paul Oakenfold. Then she would be five years ahead of her time and performing live to 30000 kids at all night underground parties. Plus if she can bring her vocals and lyrical talent to techno it would be mind blowing magical and really bring us closer to the motherlovin' garden. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:45 PM To: Murphycopy@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits In a message dated 4/9/2003 1:43:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > Isn't this the infamous Boston concert during which she > walked > off stage? That's the one...our Boston Jim was there, maybe some others. She still did 18 songs, a tad shorter than the 20-25 she did at most of the other venues. Bob NP: "Coyote", Holmdel, NJ 7/16/83 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song There have been a few unkind things said on the list in the last day or so. I thought as a contrast I'd like to offer a little smile to everyone. Many of you have a special place in my heart. I think of my Joni friends from around the world and smile. And is it me, or is Joni much more prevalent since AM? On Monday, I heard "Help Me" in a major department store (followed by some Shawn Colvin), then went to the food store and heard BYT, went to the car and heard Carey, did one more errand, got back in the car and heard Taming the Tiger, switched to a different station and heard Counting Crows' BYT! Life isn't always good, but it's wonderful to be able to savor those Joni moments! If Joni sees increased interest in her catalog, maybe she'll consider doing a sequel to the special???? I wonder, how does one become a candidate for Kennedy Center Honors? Oh and I finally took out my guitar and sang some Joni the other night. I did The Circle Game, and had a real sense of the song not being finished. So I came up with an additional verse. (Please don't be too harsh...) Decades fly so fast it makes us dizzy Our children now have children of their own Dragonflies and cartwheels fill our memories Still we sing the songs that make us feel like home lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:25:26 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song Dear Ann, I think your new verse is beautiful. It brought tears to my eyes. Thanks for sharing it, i needed that! Peace, people. love donna >>> 4/9/2003 3:17:25 PM >>> There have been a few unkind things said on the list in the last day or so. I thought as a contrast I'd like to offer a little smile to everyone. Many of you have a special place in my heart. I think of my Joni friends from around the world and smile. And is it me, or is Joni much more prevalent since AM? On Monday, I heard "Help Me" in a major department store (followed by some Shawn Colvin), then went to the food store and heard BYT, went to the car and heard Carey, did one more errand, got back in the car and heard Taming the Tiger, switched to a different station and heard Counting Crows' BYT! Life isn't always good, but it's wonderful to be able to savor those Joni moments! If Joni sees increased interest in her catalog, maybe she'll consider doing a sequel to the special???? I wonder, how does one become a candidate for Kennedy Center Honors? Oh and I finally took out my guitar and sang some Joni the other night. I did The Circle Game, and had a real sense of the song not being finished. So I came up with an additional verse. (Please don't be too harsh...) Decades fly so fast it makes us dizzy Our children now have children of their own Dragonflies and cartwheels fill our memories Still we sing the songs that make us feel like home lots of love Anne This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:29:18 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song Anne wrote: And is it me, or is Joni much more prevalent since AM? I don't know about that but I hope that she never turns up on a commercial. So many lovely, classic tunes are ending up there. What a waste but realize they need the cash. mack np:carole king-fantasy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:45:10 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Down to you and tidbits sorry if this is a doubled post - but apparently it didn't get received.: I agree Bob. I also think it would not have worked thematically but don't know if I can say why. And while we're talking about T'log I've loved it since the beginning so this may be biased - but I was listening to it on random mode with TI, WTRF, NRH, and HEJIRA. I have to say that if great singing is defined as expressive storytelling - her singing has never been better than T'log. Listening to it on random was very educational. Your NP's for several days have been following the refuge tour. Is there a method to your madness? peace, david peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:26:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > Oh and I finally took out my guitar and sang some > Joni > the other night. I did The Circle Game, and had a > real > sense of the song not being finished. So I came up > with > an additional verse. (Please don't be too harsh...) > > Decades fly so fast it makes us dizzy > Our children now have children of their own > Dragonflies and cartwheels fill our memories > Still we sing the songs that make us feel like home > I like that. It fits and it brings everything back home like a, well, like a ... circle. Anne, I hope you're doing well. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: "No color, no constrast..." As I was listening to the title track of The Hissing of Summer Lawns today this line struck me like lightening: No color, no contrast... I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white suburbs of middle America at the time. It follows the verse with the line about the barbed wire fence to keep out the unknown. Granted, it's while discussing the fuzzy "tube" but there again, it could be a reference to racism - all white TV, which is cultural "darkness" to the mind; the darkness of willful ignorance if you will. In any case, I thought it was interesting to think about the "no color, no contrast" line as a metaphor for all white suburbia, not a single person with a different skin tone, not one other culture for constrast. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." Ooops. That's contrast, not constrast. I wonder what constrast would be... some form of intense costipation I imagine... - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:40:35 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." > No color, no contrast... > > I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white > suburbs of middle America at the time. It follows the > verse with the line about the barbed wire fence to > keep out the unknown. Excellent catch, Andrew! It never occurred to me before, but I'll bet you're absolutely correct. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:59:06 +0000 From: anne-smith@att.net Subject: End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni (fwd) Hope to see you there! :)Anne Sheridan Smith - ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: Rdalindley@aol.com To: FoiledAgain3@aol.com Subject: End the weekend in a Dark Cafe with Foiled Again and Joni Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:50:11 EDT The reviews keep coming in! Gay Chicago Magazine gives "Dark Cafe Days: Foiled Again sings Joni Mitchell" a four-star review "The depth of Mitchell's work and the suppleness of Foiled Again's tight harmonies, along with each of their individual vocal power, combine for a richly textured and warmly nuanced hour of musical wonderment that will certainly rank as one of this year's best creations" - Jeff Rosen There are only two shows left! This Sunday - the 13th and the 27th @ 9:00 PM (we're letting the Big Yellow Taxi take an Easter break) This is a great opportunity for those of you who missed us in March and maybe some of you will want to come see it again. We hope you can make it - this is our baby. $15 cover + 2 drinks call for reservations 773.278.1830 Davenport's Piano Bar + Cabaret 1383 N Milwaukee Chicago, IL Davenport's, piano bar and cabaret: CitySearch to read the full review go to: Gay Chicago Magazine Foiled Again is: Allison Bazarko Rob Lindley Anne Sheridan Smith with Mike Descoteaux on piano The reviews keep coming in! Gay Chicago Magazine gives "Dark Cafe Days: Foiled Again sings Joni Mitchell" a four-star review "The depth of Mitchell's work and the suppleness of Foiled Again's tight harmonies, along with each of their individual vocal power, combine for a richly textured and warmly nuanced hour of musical wonderment that will certainly rank as one of this year's best creations" - Jeff Rosen There are only two shows left! This Sunday - the 13th and the 27th @ 9:00 PM (we're letting the Big Yellow Taxi take an Easter break) This is a great opportunity for those of you who missed us in March and maybe some of you will want to come see it again. We hope you can make it - this is our baby. $15 cover + 2 drinks call for reservations 773.278.1830 Davenport's Piano Bar + Cabaret 1383 N Milwaukee Chicago, IL Davenport's, piano bar and cabaret: CitySearch to read the full review go to: Gay Chicago Magazine Foiled Again is: Allison Bazarko Rob Lindley Anne Sheridan Smith with Mike Descoteaux on piano ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:12:52 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Fw: Happy Rhodes Tour 2003 hi last one for the night!!! i promise!!!! for anyone who may be interested. jump in now while shes still doing these!!!!! Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Happy Rhodes Tour 2003 > Dear Listener of Happy Rhodes music, > > I'm writing to you to let you know that Happy is planning a tour in > support of her upcoming CD. A large part of this tour will be in the form of > House Concerts. > For those who might not know, a house concert is a show that is given in > an individual's home. Folks who want to host a house concert, book it with > the performer and provide a cleared and preferably large room, where people > can comfortably watch a private performance from their favorite artists. > Usually, 100% of the proceeds go to the artist, assuming there are no > expenses for the homeowner. > If you or someone you know, might want to host a house concert for Happy > Rhodes, please contact me: write to Ken at kosterhaudt@aol.com. > If you aren't interested in hosting a house concert but would like to > know about upcoming shows, you can log onto www.auntiesocialmusic.com for all > tour information. Forgive me if you've already been notified and if you've > already written to me, please just disregard this notice. > Thank you so much for purchasing Happy Rhodes music. > > Ken Osterhaudt > Auntie Social Music > www.auntiesocialmusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." And I would add, being a loather of the suburbs - myself, that this line is all encompassing of the sameness ... the lawns ... the homes ... the routines ... the dress ... the beliefs - etc etc etc. NO color ... no contrast. I think Joni feared and disliked the thought of this suburban life. Being an artist how could she not, and one on so many levels. But being a woman in love, I think she often felt the whim to take on this lifestyle to satisfy her heart, but was always her pragmatic self in the end and thought of the long term effects to her and her muse. Or maybe she feels as I & many others do, that being a romantic is not just love of a lover, but a lover of life and all things. So possibly she chooses to be this nonmonogomaus person and the lover of all things. Perhaps with few exceptions, real artists are prisoners in disguise to the art they love so much, themselves so unaware that by giving up one ball and chain they have donned another. Ahh too late in my workday to get so philosophical - I have thought enough for one day ... ah but I craved the color and contrast here! I have been listening to HOSL a lot lately as well and LOVING IT! And well ... I was just wondering .. (here I go Mags/Lucy) what's all this about "your notches liberation doll?" Whats that mean - really? Hey we have a load of new listers maybe they can enlighten us - once and for all - LOL! Peace, Susan --- Lori Fye wrote: > > No color, no contrast... > > > > I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white > > suburbs of middle America at the time. It follows the > > verse with the line about the barbed wire fence to > > keep out the unknown. > > Excellent catch, Andrew! It never occurred to me before, but I'll bet > you're absolutely correct. > > Lori Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:47:54 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." Andrew writes: << In any case, I thought it was interesting to think about the "no color, no contrast" line as a metaphor for all white suburbia, not a single person with a different skin tone, not one other culture for constrast. >> And you know that this song is supposed to be about Jose Feliciano, don't you? So I think your interpretation is right on. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:04:17 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." Guzzi writes: << what's all this about "your notches liberation doll?" >> Click click . . . B L A A A A A A M ! ! ! - - B o b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:06:20 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." I wrote: << And you know that this song is supposed to be about Jose Feliciano, don't you? So I think your interpretation is right on. >> By this I meant that as an outsider (in the 70s) looking in at suburbia, he would notice the lack of color and contrast. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:24:19 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: music our parents played hi i found a track lisrting for the "music of our time" sampler i mentioned: Side One Livin' in heart (Chase) In and out of love (Rascals) Nightmare no 5 (Al Kooper) Lowdown (Chigaco) If not for you (Bob Dylan) Celebration (Argent) Wrong end of the rainbow (Tom Rush) Devil lady (Dreams) Blackpatch (Laura Nyro) Side Two Things yet to come (Sweathog) Se a cabo (Santana) Famous blue raincoat (Leonard Cohen) Jumpin' Jack flash (Johnny Winter) Get it (Music Corporation) Move over (Janis Joplin) C'mon (Poco) Give it everything you got (Edgar Winter) Take me in your arms (Blood, Sweat and Tears) i was 9 years old at the time. thanks dad - you changed my life when you brought it home!!!!! ron npimh - most of the above tracks!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:47:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." In a message dated 4/9/2003 5:38:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > In any case, I thought it was interesting to think > about the "no color, no contrast" line as a metaphor > for all white suburbia, not a single person with a > different skin tone, not one other culture for > contrast. > It certainly works on that level, Andrew. I always thought that it was directly related to the "tube" reference; that is, when you turn the TV off (in olden times) it wasn't instantly off, it would fade...darkness, darkness, darkness, and "color" and "contrast" were always 2 controls of the TV. And she was using it for a metaphor for precisely what you and Susan alluded to; the saintized sameness of it all...the furniture that nobody sits in, the manicured lawns, etc. Interesting too in that she wrote the song with her then beau John Guerin who gets a rare co-writing credit. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:59:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "No color, no constrast..." In a message dated 4/9/2003 8:40:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > By this I meant that as an outsider (in the 70s) looking in at suburbia, he > would notice the lack of color and contrast. > But I thought he was blind? What color & contrast would he have noticed? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:07:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song In a message dated 4/9/2003 4:20:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > So I came up with > an additional verse. (Please don't be too harsh...) > Harsh??? Anne, your wonderful lyric gift has been long-praised in this forum, and this is no exception. I thought I would add that a cover of Circle Game by an acoustic Pacific Northwest trio called Briarose also adds a nice "extra verse"...they sing: "Two Decades more, and now the man is 40, That's his own little girl that goes runnin' out the door She skips & sings, catching dragonflies in the morning And in the evenings they hold hands and wish upon a star..." Both of you mention dragonflies...pretty cool! Bob NP: Briarose, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:06:01 -0400 From: "courtandspark@earthlink.net" Subject: no color, no contrast Andrew wrote: no color, no contrast I wonder if it refers, in part, to the all white suburbs of middle America at the time. - --I don't know but if so it sure goes along with the tune 'pleasant valley sunday' by the Monkees and I cannot imagine another tune conveying those days and that time better than it did. I can almost feel those Sunday afternoons when I hear that one and sometimes even long for them. Right or wrong, they were lovely. Was that another Boyce-Hart tune? Probably. They wrote some good ones. mack - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:18:09 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: no color, no contrast Mack wrote: > --I don't know but if so it sure goes along with the tune 'pleasant valley > sunday' by the Monkees and I cannot imagine another tune conveying those > days and that time better than it did. I can almost feel those Sunday > afternoons when I hear that one and sometimes even long for them. Right or > wrong, they were lovely. Was that another Boyce-Hart tune? Probably. > They wrote some good ones. Nope, that was a Gerry Goffin/Carole King song - one of several they wrote "for" the Monkees (or whoever was in need of the next Top 20 hit)! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:24:16 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: PazFest Available on CD Baby Hello All Jack has finally convinced me to put PazFest up on CDBaby and I have done just that. He has had great success with them and loves what Derek has done with his site. So I took the plunge and we are off and running. I got an email from them today that sez they are working on digitizing the stuff and it will be up and available in a few days. Please help support the cause by picking up a copy when you can (now reduced to $21.99 a copy). I will post something as soon as I get the word that it is up and available. Below is a review I received in Where Ya't Magazine that I have been meaning to post. If any of you would like to send me a one line review of the PazFest CD by Thursday at say 9pm central I would like to include some of them on the CD Baby site. Please send them to me at michael@thepazgroup.com and I will put them up. CD Review From: Where Y9at Magazine, New Orleans, La. December 2002 By: Michael Dominici Various Artists New Orleans Tribute to Joni Mitchell at the Howlin9 Wolf Singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell is unquestionably one of the most adored figures of the last four decades. A true eclectic with exquisite taste. Mitchell9s approach incorporates elements of jazz, blues, and folk into a unique style that gives her intricate imagery a poignant touch. As a testament to Mitchell9s enduring impact on musicians of all stripes, musician Michael Paz staged a tribute at The Howlin9 Wolf on May 28, 2000 gathering over two dozen performers to benefit The Ruth Paz Foundation. Clinica Medica Ruth Paz-located in San Pedro Sula, Honduras-is a free clinic providing medical and dental treatment to poor families in that region. Proceeds from this recording will go towards the clinic, which is currently building a burn unit as well. The live recording captures the magical atmosphere that night. The twenty-five selections here present a cross section of local musicians interpreting compositions from Mitchell9s vast songbook. There9s much to like here. All the musicians involved invest everything they have into the material, so the quality of the performances is very high. Of the many highlights, my favorites include Kim Prevost and Bill Solley9s soulful takes on 3Both Sides Now2 and 3Woodstock2. Denise Marie9s interpretation of 3Blue Motel Room2 and 3Furry Sings The Blues2 really get it. Marie9s voice has the sultry sweetness of Rickie Lee Jones combined with a touch of Janis Joplin9s raspiness (but with far more polish and taste). Then there9s Susan Cowsill whose amazing voice emphatically reaffirms that music is undoubtedly one of the strongest and purest forms of artistic expression. Words like sincerity, feeling, beauty and clarity only hint at the marvelous quality of her voice-utterly human and ethereal, wow. Cowsill interprets 3The Last Time I Saw Richard2 and 3Chelsea Morning2 (prepare to be blown away and deeply moved). Candace Cox9s approach on 3For Free2 rekindles the cool, controlled emotion that gives Mitchell9s music such mesmerizing character. I9ve only begun to scratch the surface here. There9s much more by Kim Carson, Brain Stoltz, Beth Patterson, John Parker, Michael Paz, Leslie Smith, Brian Thomas, John Rankin, Vic Saul, Danzig and Wooley, Jack Neilson, and Betsy McGovern. New Orleans Tribute to Joni Mitchell at The Howlin9 Wolf offers the best of all possible worlds. - -Michael Dominici IN OTHER NEWS!!!!!!! Thanks to everyone who has recently picked up copies of Jack's CD "Here I Go Again" also available on CDBaby. Also Jack's song "Georgia" debuted on FreshBlend at #84 >"Home To Georgia" debuts this week at #84 on FreshBlend Radio! >http://www.cafes.net/jhester/FreshBlend/ > And is now up to #55 on the charts. Please stop by and check it out and listen in. Also please send requests that they play it more often. Jack will be performing live at Tipitina's French Quarter on April 30 at 8pm during Jazz Fest. If anyone plans on being in town please stop by. Christina and Sam and I will be opening the show with a set of Joni Tribute Material. Plus a few other acoustic sets from friends of Jack's (Leslie Smith, Beth Patterson + more). Thanks for listening, Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:21:51 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Hooked on Joni & JoniFest In a message dated 4/8/03 10:10:39 PM, theodore@buckfush.org writes: << I used to listen to The Doors a great deal when I was 13, 14, 15. An English teacher played Dylan's Hard Rain's Gonna Fall and made us write an in class essay on it. The Doors introduced me to Blake's poetry, and also the philosophy and fiction of Aldous Huxley. Ted aka Napoleon in rags. >> Cool stuff! Hey, if you get a chance, check out Leon Russell's version of "Hard Rain's Gonna Fall" from the '70's. Kenny B NP: "No. 1 Lowest Common Denominator", Todd Rundgren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:22:51 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Our kids getting hooked on Joni In a message dated 4/8/03 10:44:19 PM, groovchacha@yahoo.com writes: << s an auntie, I work udercover with my niece and nephew. Although my brother is doing his part filtering the Beatles through their little heads - I of course am working Joni into their lives. I had hoped my niece, Angela - 7, would be the next Joni, but it appears I will have to settle for Michael - 5 being the next Lennon or JT. He can not stop himself from singing the Beatles day and night. When I am there we sing "The Circle Game" together and he begs me to sing that song about Michael and the mountains. Ahh so what if my brother picked the atheist to be godmother - I AM doing God's work here! Get'em while they're young. As my Michael says waving his hands in the air .... Give Peace A Chance Susan >> I'm sure you're doing a fine job, too! Kenny B NP: "Izzat Love?", Todd Rundgren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:23:24 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Down To You on video? << From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Re: Down to you I like this thread. Down to You touched me deeply in my early twenties and still feels very close to home to me now, twenty years later. There is a piano transcription in the C&S songbook, but it doesn't replicate the intricacies of Joni's fingering, rythm and melody. As far as I know, there is no piano transcription for the instrumental passage. You'd think some whip in Berkeley would have done this as part of coursework, no? Now wouldn't it be wonderful to see live footage of Joni performing Down to You? That would be something special. Does such a thing exist? I gather she didn't perform it live often. (Ever?) In reading the director's interview on the PBS- WOHAM site, I was struck by the fact that there seems to be little live Joni concert footage extant. What a shame. You don't know what you got, till it's gone, eh? Michael in Quebec. >> Hi, Michael I'm really glad to see so many other fans love this song as much as I do. I have a copy of the music of this song being sent to me and I guess I'll be happy if I can play any of it (novice that I am). But, I've been known to undertake difficult challenges before so I may just get the urge to (TRY to) figure out the fingering of the best parts and I'll let you know what happens. I've never seen any footage of Joni singing this one (my all-time favorite song by ANYBODY) so if anyone knows of such a video, I'd treat you to a pizza if you could share that with me. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:23:33 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You on video? In a message dated 4/9/03 2:17:41 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to you >I gather she >didn't perform it live often. (Ever?) She DID perform it on her '74 tour with the LA Express, it was not included on the Miles of Aisles collection, it's on a couple of other '74 shows I've got. Bob Bob; do you like pizza (see my reply to Michael in Quebec) ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: a smile, Joni everywhere, new verse for an old Joni song > Both of you mention dragonflies...pretty cool! Wow, how weird. Both first lines mention decades, both second lines mention children, and both third lines mention dragonflies... Must be something to the whole collective subconscious thing... and thanks for the kind words, Bob! I'm planning on doing a lyric writing workshop at JoniFest - looking forward to it (I just hope I don't have to wear my winter coat!!!! Will it EVER be spring?) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:25:26 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura Nyro's passing In a message dated 4/9/03 2:17:41 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #224 This is the 5th anniversery of Laura Nyro's passage. A brilliant writer, singer....muse. Even Joni had kudos for her. That says alot. Love you Laura...Play ELI today. Nyrogrl >> I was never a huge Laura Nyro fan until I read her biography, "The Music and Passion of Laura Nyro/Soul Picnic" by Michele Kort, about eight months ago. A FANTASTIC book, in my humble opinion. I was so moved by her story that I went out and bought every Laura Nyro album on vinyl or CD (except a few hard-to-come-by that I miraculously found at my LIBRARY, took them home and copied to CD). I still am not her biggest fan but I gained a lot of respect for her and her work since then and am richer for the experience. If anyone would like to read about a true, passionate artist/musician, I highly recommend this book from 2002. Kenny B ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #124 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)