From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #120 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 120 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Me and Joni (Long Essay) ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: woman of heart and mind ["theodore" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 20:26:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Me and Joni (Long Essay) > Well, I guess Ibve used up enough space on Lesb site by now. I > must say hebs done an admirable job in maintaining it and Ibm sure > everyone is most appreciative. If anyone would like to chat with me > about anything, my e-mail address is up there somewhere. > > Kenny B This was wonderful from beginning to end, Kenny. Can I save this and send it to people who refer to Joni's stuff as 'chick music'? :-) Seriously though, I did enjoy reading your history with Joni and finding a bit out about you. Please keep the posts coming. Welcome all newbies! We need you! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 21:35:00 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind Ok I just watched WOHAM and they did say world music. Anyway it was wonderful and well done and I didn't cry. I watched it with my dad. I wanna cry every time she sings Woodstock just because to me that is a mythical time, I was 4 or 3. At one point she says oh I guess give peace a chance was just a dream some of us had. Being a gen xer I have always felt a little let down by the older generation that seemed to have all these great ideals but then just turned around and spit on our generation with like harsh repression, like they were the only ones who could explore or get high and now everyone has to live these straight lame lives and support killing for peace and Reagan and bush and bush. Like the generation X song, "well the ends always justify the means and your generation don't mean a thing to me." The only thing that bugged me about the show is that Joni feels like she doesn't like who she was for people in the sixties. Don't misconstrue that as meaning I don't think she should have moved on, I just don't like the fact that she doesn't like it, I like her regardless. Makes me think of a Velvet Underground song called Sweet Jane that goes, "if some one had a heart, they wouldn't turn around and break it, and if any one ever played a part, they wouldn't turn around and hate it." She can really paint too. I wonder of any of you know if her paintings are in galleries or if she has shows for her artwork? My mom and pop watched the show too, they were not hippies, but, both are Joni fans now. I'll have a WOHAM on rye hold the mayo! Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:34 AM To: SoulQuest7@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind SoulQuest7@aol.com wrote: Personally, I > admire her for branching out, but I think it's strange to say she was a > pioneer in world music hybrids. George Harrison was thoroughly employing > Indian music in his songs back in 1966-1967, and he was quickly followed by > people such as Donovan and The Incredible String Band. For that matter, the > U.S. version of Help! in 1965 had a version of "A Hard Day's Night" performed > on Indian instruments, so maybe that was the first pop/world music hybrid. It > certainly was that movie that turned George onto the sitar. > The 'world music pioneer' tag doesn't really ring true. Josephine Baker in the '30's. Carmen Miranda in the 40's. Stan Getz and Herbie Mann brought Brazilian music to the mainstream in the early 60's. Harry Belafonte's "Banana Boat Song", Trini Lopez' "Lemon Tree". Even Sinatra did two LP's with Jobim. Santana crossed latin music with rock in 1969, while Joni was 5 full albums away from using the Barundi drums. Simon & Garfunkel's "El Condor Pasa" used a Peruvian band in 1970. There is even a short reggae- style break in The Beatles "I Call Your Name" from 1964. Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" in 1969 fused jazz and African influences..in the world of jazz, using African and Latin influences was old news; Dizzy Gillespie, Tito Puente,,,fingers getting tired.... RR ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #120 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)