From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 118 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni and Mingus ["patrick leader" ] Joni t-shirts ["marilyn huggins" ] Re: Thursday Night at Jonifest ["marilyn huggins" ] Re: Me and My Mojo ["marilyn huggins" ] RE: Me and My Mojo ["theodore" ] Re: A case of you [Catherine McKay ] Re: I missed the PBS special! [Catherine McKay ] Re: A case of you ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Down to You ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Amazon Top 100 Update ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: JONI Video footage [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Laurel Canyon, PBS, other musings ["michael o'malley" ] Re: sisotowbell lane ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni, then and now ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Down to You [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: The "order of things" [PassScribe@aol.com] Me and Joni (Long Essay) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Nash's love of Joni [PassScribe@aol.com] RE: Joni, then and now ["theodore" ] Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni's peers [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Amazon Top 100 Update ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: woman of heart and mind ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Down to You [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: American Masters [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Blue then FTR [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: woman of heart and mind ["Mark or Travis" ] Today's Library Links: April 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Down to You ["Bree Mcdonough" ] * ISO CD Artwork ["Music Is Special" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:17:56 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni and Mingus i thought the t.s. eliot idea was directly from mingus, and not from a third party. think i heard that before, and i think that's what sue mingus said as well. i think sue quoted joni's response as: 'don't think i want to mess with t.s. eliot's words' patrick np - luscious jackson - natural ingredients >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:25 PM >To: jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni and Mingus > > >In a message dated 4/4/2003 10:15:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, >jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > >> Does anyone else remember this better than I do? The >> two scenarios are somewhat different to me and I'm >> wondering what actually happened. >> > >Jenny, my sense of what happened is that Mingus originally wanted Joni to >adapt this ts eliot stuff to music, and she wasn't up for that, so instead >they decided to take his last melodies and have her lay down some >lyrics to >them. > >Does that make it clearer or muddier? I tried to go to the corresponding >"bio" section on JM.com but the link wasn't working. My guess is that the >website is getting a TON more traffic since Weds. > >Bob > >NP: Foo Fighters, "Tired Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:20:33 -0500 From: "marilyn huggins" Subject: Joni t-shirts Does anyone know on the internet where I can buy a Joni t--shirt in 2xxl? Thanks Marilyn still from MA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:25:13 -0500 From: "marilyn huggins" Subject: Re: Thursday Night at Jonifest Ashara is the jonifest going to the Catskills again this year? Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:05 AM Subject: Thursday Night at Jonifest > Hi Jonifest 2003 attendees and potential attendees! > > If you are planning on attending the Thursday Night festivities, please > indicate that on your online form so I can start to get an idea of numbers. > Thursday night is a wonderful opportunity for people to settle in to Full > Moon, epecially those coming from a distance. It's a chance to get to know > people and play music in a little bit more intimate setting as well. Please > remember to check off what extra meals you will partaking in so I can get the > money sorted out. > > A reminder to register/send a deposit in soon if you want to be guaranteed a > bed! > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 04:30:42 -0500 From: "marilyn huggins" Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo What is mojo anyway? Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo > Would any kind and brilliant soul please post the pictures in the 1998 > article of MOJO magazine. I know we can get the text and 1 picture in the > library on JMDL but I want to see all the photos! I mean "Joni lounging at > home..." I live for! Thanks > Love > JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:36:43 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Me and My Mojo Mojo, baby... a mojo is a little charm you get from the witch doctor or gypsy queen, or neighborhood voodooist that charms the opposite sex. I got my mojo working but it just won't work on you. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of marilyn huggins Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:31 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo What is mojo anyway? Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Me and My Mojo > Would any kind and brilliant soul please post the pictures in the 1998 > article of MOJO magazine. I know we can get the text and 1 picture in the > library on JMDL but I want to see all the photos! I mean "Joni lounging at > home..." I live for! Thanks > Love > JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A case of you --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Wanna play? > > Okay . . . I want you to answer this question FAST . > . . the first thing > that pops into your head. . . ready? > > -------------> When you hear "A Case of YOU," what > kind of "case" > > comes to your mind? > > > > What do YOU visualize? > > Answer quickly. 1. Beer (I'm Canadian) 2. illness (it could've been a dose of you - LOL!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:54:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I missed the PBS special! --- GaryLewis wrote: > Unfortunately I was not able to watch the special on > Tues. night, so I set up > the VCR to tape it. But somehow all I got was snow > and static. Does anyone > know if it will be aired in the future. Thanks Gary Gary, check the pbs website - most local pbs affiliates are airing it a few more times. We get WNED (Buffalo) here and they're running it again April 9 (or 8 or 10 - I) at 4 a.m. or an equally ungodly hour. For info on the show, check: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j.html To find your local listings, go to this url and enter your zip code or state: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/current_season/upcoming.html If your VCR can be set for antenna or cable, make sure you've picked the right one - and the channel that goes with it. I've been fooled a few times that way myself. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 18:59:48 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: A case of you beer marianne. but more like a keg. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:03:49 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Down to You Kenny B wrote: > Any suggestions appreciated; anyone want to tell me how much you love > that tune also? Love to Kenny. Yes, an incomparable tune that says what most of us must know deep inside but it is so good to hear it and have those intuitive feelings reinforced. More testament to the genius of Joni. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:09:24 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Update Ken, you're darling. And anyone that knows you knows it. Ignore that as there are many things that we must ignore. Keep up the updates, they are great. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 03:10:59 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: re: american masters & amazing Amazon's Hi, beloved JMDLers! Lori wrote: <<"Most important era"? Perhaps, but imnsho (that would be, "in my not- so-humble opinion"), that's because it's the period when Joni "made it" professionally. Of course it's also the period that labeled her a "folk singer." A label Joni despises. As for favorite era, I'll cast my vote for the "trilogy" period of HOSL, Hejira, and DJRD. Lyrically and musically, it can't be beat.>> Well it is! In my personal case, that were the exact time I discovered our Wonder Queen: Remember, after hearing Blue in one of my first nights in other people's house (that joyous & calm discovering of brothers/lovers-of-art) I borrowed HOSL in a store just to find at home how difficult it was: I certainly grew with it. The day Hejira came to La Coruqa: you could see me headphones on, and running to home (previous pass at cash, my dears, :-) so to enjoy it more, and more, and more... Really, I'm not pleased by the idea of regarding workArts as a "trilogy": indeed, I shiver when I hear some artist , except painters, spell that word. I get the feeling that there's a way of reducing the precious singularity of (can I use that word?!) sacred "Leaves of Grass" I must admit everyone can see HOSL is the beginning of a new era (more risqui, more rich), but, aren't each'n everyone previous Joni's works a real/royal *dawn*? and DJRD, so clear a son of the other two, but so footloose and fancy free! (I love your english aliterations) !Baila, Baila! talking about "my dear Amazon.com" as it's called by our great writer Antonio Muqoz Molina, I just received an e-mail from A.France announcing the sending of NRH, MOA and STAS (with Barbara's Mogador :-o) : a month ago when I decided to purchase NRH (my kind thanks to Vince and Vincenzo) I found more Joni's references in subsidiary Amazon France than at the central house: supposed it was eventual. Indeed, they're Imports (that's the reason for two weeks delaying, count two more to think of money): thanks heavens la pirfida Albisn uk always have real music lovers more authentic than Cherry's husband. It's avalieable also Painting with words and music, so I hope WOHM will have an European (zone 2) edition soon. So my joy: seeing those chart sales figures on your country and imagining my brand new discs on the road, coming home! To cut this short: the seasons go round and round: being now a family man I don't spend many nights in friend's houses: but I've found JMDL! from six weeks on I *really* enjoy your company: I'm learning (leisurely) a lot: I love all our threads: about SISOTWBELL and your child souvenirs, your moving emotions enjoying WOHM, W2W (with special mention to KingUnderCover Bob)... even the ones about Polanski's acclaim. Some days I found myself dedicating almost enterily my free-time-at-studio reading those great full digests: I must confess I'm still surprised & pleased at the high number of interesting e-mails of this wonderful list. Ditto: not Joni only, but Joni list is the only list for me! PEACE and LOVE to you all! Emiliano: ten metres to Atlantic ocean NP: Don Juan reckless daughter Now I'm in joy PS: The TRUTH is, She's really the Queen of BEAUTY (and FREEDOM) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:47:31 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: JONI Video footage Bree wrote: > I was completely transfixed... mesmerized during her performance of ACOY. ( > during Blue..too. no acronym needed for B..;-) ) I think that is part of the performances from the Victoria Theatre which is included on the "Pink Dress" tape (Bob?) I'm going to peruse my collection over the weekend and see what's there again and will see about getting copies to send to Ashara. A caveat about some of the Laurel Canyon footage - it's very goofy, as in, you know, that kind of late 60s sitting around with the herb goofy. Don't expect beautiful candid performances by Joni but as an authentic snapshot of the day, it's pretty good ;-) Joni on the beach is fantastic, too, with an overlay of Song to a Seagull playing. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:51:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI Video footage In a message dated 4/4/2003 8:48:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > >I was completely transfixed... mesmerized during her performance of ACOY. > ( > >during Blue..too. no acronym needed for B..;-) ) > > I think that is part of the performances from the Victoria Theatre which is > included on the "Pink Dress" tape (Bob?) > I think that's where that's from...but I can't check now because I dropped that video off to get it dubbed. I'll pick it up on Monday and report back the whole setlist on Tuesday. The thing that strikes me about that video is the transition from the '70 Pink Dress show, where Joni is just oooozing joy from every pore, to the '74 gig where her mouth has that turndown thing going on and she seems a bit burned out; still, it;s wonderful footage, and a reminder just how good Tom Scott is on so many instruments! Bob NP: The Used, "Choke Me" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:12:24 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Laurel Canyon, PBS, other musings Wow, I'm very impressed to see all the lurkers and new folk coming forth as a result of the AM PBS show. This is very sweet. The Amazon sales thing blows me away - whooda thunk it? Let there be Joni! For the record, the PBS show is longer than the CBC version, which did not include the CIFTC segment from NRH; it hops from her marriage to Larry and WTRF to Turbulent Indigo. I saw the film ``Laurel Canyon`` last night at a film festival here. Aside from being a very sexy and entertaining film, there is a brief Joni moment when the camera pans across Frances McDormand's character's memorabilia, showing a recent framed photograph of Joni, Klein and McDormand posed together in a recording studio. Joni's name also appears in the thank-you credits. See the film - it will make you want to be bad ! Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 19:56:20 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni, then and now > While I agree with her logic, I find it humorous that after she > paraded this quote around in interviews after TTT, her next project > was a collection of "ingenue roles" (BSN) and then her NEXT project > was to "jukebox" herself, going back and reworking her previously > recorded songs, even back to her first record! > > It would seem that she's saying one thing & doing another, although > I'm sure she would rationalize her way around the question. I'll save her the trouble. I don't see how releasing an album of classic American standards qualifies as a 'collection of ingenue roles' just because two of her early songs happened to be among them. I think those two songs were probably two that she felt she could 'grow into gracefully'. In any case, the versions on 'Both Sides Now' are so far removed from the originals, sung from the perspective of a mature woman that they hardly sound like 'ingenue roles'. And 'Travelogue' is 'jukebox(ing) herself'? Again, the songs she selected work with her older perspective and voice and the orchestrations make them almost brand new works. I think even you admire what she did with 'The Dawntreader', Bob and that's the one song from her very first album on 'Travelogue' and therefore is, arguably, the most 'ingenue' song on the collection. So we disagree. So what? We are all entitled to our opinion! I think Joni is allowed to re-tool early work. She has a different perspective and more years of life experience to bring to those songs and if you listen closely, it really does enhance them. My opinion anyway. I am really behind with the list. I had the flu and really got behind. Plus I also started treatment for sleep apnea and have been having trouble with the nose mask for my C-PAP machine (continuous positive air pressure). Recently the 'Travelogue' version of 'For the Roses' really clicked with me and I plan to post my thoughts about it soon. Mark E in Seattle PS: Your package arrived today, Bob. I am *very* excited about hearing these! Especially 'When the Sun Comes Out'. You didn't tell me that was on one of them! Thanks bunches & bunches, my generous friend! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:01:35 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: sisotowbell lane > Noah, to me, has always represented someone who would, > by city standards, be seen as shameful. Perhaps he is > mentally slow or just a very simple, honest man with > simple values. In this ideal world he brings the > families of Sisotowbell Lane no shame. He always knew > he was welcome there and that that is where he > belongs. This may be kinda dumb, but I always thought this was a reference to the biblical Noah. Broken pump, fixing it in the rain. He always knew it was going to happen! Start building that ark, the flood's on its way? Well, maybe not. Otherwise I'm with Andrew on this one. Mia's interpretation is an interesting one though and only Siquomb herself knows for sure. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:03:01 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni, then and now they > criticized her for not being that willowy, wispy Joni > of days gone by. I think that's what Joni resents. And well she should and has every right to. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:26:23 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You To all: In the midst of all this euphoria after the great Joni special, I have a simple question: is there anyone else out there who loves "Down To You" (from C&S) as much as me? I think it's so graphic, personal and such an intricate arrangement..... I've not been a big contributor to this site in the past so I'm relatively new here. DTY has been my favorite Joni song for as long as I can remember (at least 1974, when it came out) and I've been trying to find sheet music for it so I might try to learn the piano passages in it (I'm a beginner but I try hard!) I can't locate it anywhere. Any suggestions appreciated; anyone want to tell me how much you love that tune also? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:26:28 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: The "order of things" In a message dated 4/4/03 3:00:47 AM, Mary writes: << Geez, it's amazing that two (or three) diehard fans can disagree so completely! I don't see this at all. I regard "Blue" as the expansion and culmination of the Clouds/LOTC era, and FTR, by contrast, as essentially "Court & Spark I." To me, FTR has much more in common with respect to vocals, lyrics and overall vision to C & S than with anything that went before it. FTR looks ahead to where Joni would eventually go with C & S and HOSL. >> I agree that FTR seems to be a better lead in to C&S than Blue and that Blue is more like the earlier albums. But from the extra attention I've been giving Blue these days, I've come to understand just why this album is so popular (even though C&S is still my own favorite for a multitude of reasons): Blue is actually in a class of its own; I think it is the most deeply sincere and introspective thing Joni ever did. For some artists, those things don't seem to hold up well but in Joni's case, I think her fans are so passionate about her and her music, that the deep things are given their proper respect. When WFUV (member-supported radio in NYC) has its listener's polls, Blue always comes out as the favorite Joni album. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:26:21 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Me and Joni (Long Essay) I didnbt want to submit anything too long for fear of taking up too much space on this site but someone suggested I do and just write blongb in the title, so here I am. Ibve been receiving these Joni Digestbs for some time but have either been too busy to get involved or concerned about the usual chat room-type bweirdosb but it seems webre dealing with a different class of people here... I should have known Joni fans would be special even in a place like this. After reading some of the exchanges that have been going around since the bBig Showb, Ibve gotten the urge to put my two-cents worth in. Ibve already been in contact with some fine people from this site so Ibm looking forward to more of the same. Ibve read that some of you are happy to see some new e-mail addresses popping up since the Special, so Ibm hoping the time is right for me to jump in. Ibd like to tell you all about bMe & Jonib, if youbre interested. Of course, the title is deceptive; Joni and I have never been together nor have we ever met. Itbs just all about my love and appreciation for Joni... something Ibm sure youbve read many times, from many other people. Itbs going to be long so if anyone wants out, nowbs the time to scan that arrow on the side of the window and bail. First, a little about me (Ibll try to keep it simple): Ibm 59, married for 37 years to a wonderful woman, with two kids (girl/boy) and two grandchildren (girl/boy) from our daughter. I'm currently managing an auto service/repair shop for an import dealer; I also have a part-time business making custom-imprinted apparel and awards/trophies. My daughter played piano years ago and my 5 year-old granddaughter wants to learn so, Ibm starting to teach her. My son has played and teaches guitar and is currently learning the African Djembe drum. That about sums up my immediate familybs musical abilities. Ibve always been passionate in the major things Ibve undertaken so at 15, I bought my first car and started to customize it because all I cared about was cars and hot rods. I had many great cars over the years but the first one was featured in nine magazines; that led me to a career in the auto repair business... not very glamorous but I was good at it and I enjoyed it, at least for a while. I was also very involved in photography from an early age and, eventually, I joined several photography groups and pursued the fine art thing; Ibve received many awards and sold some of my work through galleries. I've since let the photography lamp go dim and I've taken up writing; I'm currently producing a quartery journal for a Cooperative Press Association with twelve members. Ibve taught auto mechanics and photography in adult-ed classes and continue to give shows, lectures and seminars at photographic organizations to this day. Ibve had many other interests which consumed much of my time and energy butbthrough it allb my love for music was always strong. Unfortunately, while Ibve always wished I could play something, I never had the time or placed it as a high enough priority to actually learn. So, about a year and a half ago, I decided, more than anything in the world, I wanted to learn to play the piano before I died. (Hey, I've haven't been told I've got six months to live but you never know when that's going to happen.) I found a really cool teacher (a girl half my age in a local piano store) who has helped me to accomplish something I never thought Ibd be able to do. I may not be very good but one of the first complex songs I learned was bBoth Sides Nowb (itbs easier than many other Joni tunes.) Learning to play the piano, for me, has been an epiphany! I'm so glad I finally took the time to try. I've composed a song already and my teacher thinks it's quite good; I think it could be recorded by someone with talent (not me, of course.) Ibve been through a great deal in my life; some bad, some good. But, as Joni hinted at in her Special, you learn from the bad and use it to grow. I have no regrets (sure, I would have liked the opportunity to do some things over/different) and if I died tomorrow, Ibd die a (relatively) happy man. I've had some great friends, some beautiful lovers, fine children & grandchildren and I've been fairly successful (hey we've still got a roof over our heads.) The one thing I would change, if I had it to do all over: I would have been a musician, (piano player,) and/or a teacher (a music teacher); of course, thatbs all easy to say now. I have to relate one thing that happened one night during a lesson which I'm sure all of you will understand. I was playing a piece from one of my lessons for my teacher when I stopped and played one chord, in particular; I looked at Colleen and said, "Listen to that chord...isn't that beautiful? I love that chord!" Colleen loked at me, smiled, and replied, "That's my favorite chord, Ken." It was then that I realized two people could share a love of something so strongly, together, and yet, still not be lovers themselves. Ibm a very sensitive and emotional person; when Ibm sad, Ibm crushed... when Ibm happy, Ibm elated. I also consider myself very open-minded and I try to treat everyone fairly. I make no attempt to hide the fact that I cry at things that deeply touch me... just standing at the Viet Nam War Memorial, in Washington DC, even though I didnbt lose anyone personally, was a traumatic experience! Ibm not exactly a wuss; I mean, if I had been on that plane over PA on 9-11, I could easily see myself saying, bLetbs roll!b and rushing the terrorists. But, at 59, I donbt feel too macho anymore either. Ibm like Joni in this one regard: I put myself out there and bare my soul for you because Ibm very confident about who I am, how I feel and what I believe and Ibm prepared to defend it. Enough about me. I first heard Jonibs songs from pop radio; in the late b60bs, this was AM, baby. FM stereo was still a few years away from breaking radio open. I was married in b65 and we had our daughter a year later but you know, I donbt think anything from Jonibs first album ever got a lot of airplay in the NYC area. The first things that probably made her get noticed by most people were bBoth Sides Nowb (even though Judy Collins had the bigger hit), and bChelsea Morningb. I liked Jonibs music then but it didnbt make me run out and buy it at the time. I wasnbt the type to buy a lot of albums when I was first married unless I knew Ibd like the entire thing, so much of Jonibs early work stayed hidden from me at this point. Perhaps the fact that I was very into some other singers at the time whobs work I was more interested in, kept me from searching deeper into Jonibs work. Of course, by the time LOTC came out, everybody was going wild over bBig Yellow Taxib, bThe Circle Gameb and bWoodstockb. The radio stations played them to death! It wasnbt until 1974 when my cousin and his wife had us over and put on the Court and Spark album that I really took my head out of the sand and noticed something special going on. I was so overwhelmed by hearing that album at their house on that night; a little dinner, some drinks, the music.... By the time I left his house, I made him let me borrow that album. I took it home, made a cassette tape copy and proceeded to play it in the house and in the car... I was totally blown away by the feeling, complexity and variety of material on that album. That tape has long since been worn out and Ibve bought several vinyl copies and, of course, the CD in later years. C&S was exactly that: the spark that made me look further. I began checking all the older albums that I had never bought and, one at a time, Ibd buy each, saying, bI donbt know if Ibm going to like everything on this but....b Each time I bought an older album, I shook my head in disbelief, thinking, bOkay, this one is great... let me check out anotherb until I eventually bought them all. It was then that I felt, bOh my God; look at what Ibve missed over all these years!b Looking back, I donbt know if I would have appreciated those early albums if I had bought them when they first came out; to be honest, I really wasnbt into the bfolk thingb although I now consider those albums to be much more intricate than bfolkb. Folk was Pete Segar, The Kingston Trio and Bob Dylan. Joni's stuff was much more personal, sensitive, delicate, spiritual... but I donbt know if my head would have been ready for them then. To this day, therebs usually at least one of Jonibs first six albums in the CD rotation in one of our disc holders at any given time. I love to lie on the living room floor with the lights out, late at night, with earphones on, listening to either of those first six discs. Donbt get me wrong; I like a lot of the stuff on subsequent albums. I occasionally play HOSL, Hijara or DJRD, and I respect Joni for branching out into new territory on all her later endeavors. I just began to like less songs on each new album... I liked some songs a whole lot, others not very much... some, not at all. But I donbt see anything wrong with that; can anyone out there say theybve loved every thing Jonibs done? I think our personal favorite albums and songs have a lot to do with who we are, ourselves, and the time frame and point in our lives when webre introduced to the music. Oh, and I still own all the vinyl; I have a pretty large collection of vinyl that I not only refuse to give up but add to whenever I get the chance. Lots of good things from the past will never be digitized and, besides, therebs nothing like a good olb record album cover with full liner notes, is there? I could give you a lot of reasons why I love Joni's work but I'm sure you've all heard them before; even I think I've heard them all in just two days of monitoring this web site. I just feel transported to within her soul when I hear some of those lyrics and listen to those musical passages; I think it is so hard to put down on paper or in a song, what we feel inside of us. It's like trying to define love! Yet, I think Joni does just that and it's probably that magic that I appreciate most. My favorite song of all time is Jonibs bDown to Youb, from C&S. I find it so graphic and intricate... Ibve always dreamed of putting a photographic essay together with that story, long before the advent of music videos. I once asked the perfect couple, friends of ours, if they would pose for me to do just that: a series of slides to go alng with the story. Of course, when the girl realized I planned on having them naked at the point in the song where Joni sings: bWhen the closing lights strip off the shadows On this strange new flesh youbve found Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf You hurry To the blackness And the blankets To lay down an impression And your lonelinessb (B) 1973 Crazy Crow Music, of course) the girl balked at the idea. it would have been done in good taste; possibly silhouettes, low light or rimlit... I can see it now. Alas; my music essay was never made! I love the piano passages in DTY and have been trying to find sheet music for that song for a couple of years now. If anyone can help me in this regard, Ibd be eternally grateful. Ibm not sure if every Joni fan is aware that DTY received a music award in b74 for bBest Arrangement.b I learned of this about a year ago and said, "I knew that was a good song!" ;-) In case youbre interested in my other musical preferences, they include Todd Rundgren, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Flo & Eddie, Joe Walsh, Neil Young, Peter Gabriel and many other b70bs luminaries. As for latter day artists, I like Aimiee Mann but am really impressed with Ben Folds, Michael Penn, Rufus Wainwright, and the new David Crosby band: CPR. My wife is not a big Joni fan but we still love each other. I've got some videos of Joni in various interviews or performances on shows like Letterman and that thing called "Second Fret"; in case anyone is interested, I'd be willing to make copies of assorted things to trade for something I want & don't have. I don't have a list of what's available 'cause I didn't plan on getting into this whole thing but, after reading the buzz since Wednresday night.... Well, I guess Ibve used up enough space on Lesb site by now. I must say hebs done an admirable job in maintaining it and Ibm sure everyone is most appreciative. If anyone would like to chat with me about anything, my e-mail address is up there somewhere. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:26:26 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Nash's love of Joni Mary wrote: P.S. Wasn't it amazing to see the great tenderness Graham Nash and Larry Klein still obviously have for Joni? Perhaps it's not surprising that they feel it, but that they are both so open about it, so many years later (especially in Nash's case). I think it was obvious that Nash and Klein are both still in love with Joni and probably will be for the rest of their lives. I know it's possible to still love someone very much even when they are no longer an active part of your life (don't ask!) but in their cases, it is easy to be public about it. As a matter of fact, I think it's a far better thing than the alternatives. Peace, Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 20:40:35 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Joni, then and now That is a shame. I like her oldest stuff the best. I don't think it's at all willowy or wispy. She takes a great deal of chances. STAS is on a level way beyond the folk or protest genre of that time, at least what I've heard of it, especially for a female solo artist. Plus STAS is a concept album. The songs form a diary. It's not just a collection of singles. Plus having just heard this for the first time a couple of weeks ago, it stands the test of time. It also seems to me that she just keeps doing the same thing throughout her career, putting poetry to music and making song. I think this is why she is able to work into different styles and genres because the concept is just what she does naturally as a journalist and musician, she just works with a different set of palettes and brushes. The heart and soul is the same, timeless. If you think about it very few "folk" artists have been able to do this if any. Oh well, music critics are the worst and as an artist one should never read the press. The only bigger scums of the earth other than music scribes are A&R men. Bad news travels fast, Ted NP: Lou Reed "Rock And Roll" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Mark or Travis Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:03 PM To: Little Bird; SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni, then and now they > criticized her for not being that willowy, wispy Joni > of days gone by. I think that's what Joni resents. And well she should and has every right to. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 00:05:37 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart & Mind - an informal poll Man, the digests have been coming so fast and furious, at least 10 of them in the last couple of days, that I can't keep up. Plus, I'm trying to finish some writing projects and shouldn't be online even now. But I imagine the reason for the heavy volume is the PBS broadcast of Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind, which I taped and hadn't had a chance to watch yet (gigs), but last night caught 2/3 of a late night rebroadcast. Man, oh man, oh man! SI(F)QUOMB indeed! Damn, it was good. One of my most treasured high-school teachers, with whom I've stayed in touch over the 31 years since, called during the broadcast to tell me he was watching it and thought of me, hoping I could see it. It wasn't just a brilliant documentary of a brilliant artist, it was time travel to a beautiful time and place. OK, here's my question for you all: Does anyone admit to watching it and *not* crying at least once, if not off and on throughout as I did? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:39:12 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's peers Victor wrote: > "I would rank Stevie Wonder as high as Joni in all of those categories > though that's just me." > > Well, perhaps I need to spend more time with Stevie (the bulk of whose work > I am not familiar with - you know, except the stuff we have all been > exposed to). any suggestion, Victor ? > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:53:04 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Update Yes, Mark, why the big messy, nasty, stinky poop-juice all over Ken, hmmm? What's that all about? Stinky, nasty, messy.... - ----- Original Message ----- > > In a message dated 4/4/2003 6:06:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mark129@cs.com > writes: > > > Hello, > > Part of your education is to try listening to others like Laura > > Nyro,Nancy La Mott,Eva Cassidy,oh,nevermind they are all dead;kind of like > > your Amazon statistics. later,mark > > Where does an attack of this sort come from, Mark? I have not been a party > to any sort of disagreement with you that would warrant such a response about > a post of mine which did nothing but update members of the JONI MITCHELL > DISCUSSION LIST about our agreed upon topic. > Furthermore, I have a great appreciation for Laura Nyro, and I think Eva > Cassidy had one of the purest, on the mark and under-appreciated voices in > pop music. So exactly what is your point? You don't know me. You have no > idea of the scope of my musical taste. And your pissy comments, > incidentally, displaying the quality of your brain, are testament to this. > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:55:34 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind > does anyone else feel that things were left out that needed > mentioning? within reason this is. > > heather Most definitely, Heather. HOSL, DED, CMIARS, NRH - I don't think any of these records were talked about. And as I mentioned before, James Taylor was interviewed but his relationship with Joni was not even alluded to. Still, all in all this was a lovely program and I had tears and sobs at the end like many others have mentioned. And I also have a wonderful feeling of satisfaction that I was was right when I told people that Joni is a genius over the years. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:16:23 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Down to You In a message dated 4/4/2003 11:27:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, PassScribe@aol.com writes: > and I've been trying to find sheet music for it > so I might try to learn the piano passages in it (I'm a beginner but I try > hard!) Hi Kenny! Down To You is an incredibly poignant song. It gives me goosebumps to this day and is one of my top 5 Joni tunes ever. I particularly enjoy the meandering clarinet and oboe line toward the end before she launches into the final verse. So you're not alone. I'm a huge lover of this song. The sheet music, as I've seen it, does not contain the instrumental portion of the song, though I would love to get my hands on a transcription of that! I do have a copy I could Xerox for you, although it is in a box in a storage locker at this time. If you have no luck locating the sheet music (The Court and Spark Folio is sometimes on ebay) let me know and I'll rummage through storage and try to locate it for you. Shoot me an email and let me know. I remember how frustrating it was to try to secure out of print music for Joni's tunes! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:30:14 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: American Masters I have only seen the show twice, so I do not feel I have seen it enough yet to offer a reasonable criticism of it..... ONLY KIDDING. Hey, do you think "Joni" is a mix of Judy and Joan ? Like, when did people start calling her Joni (or rather, when did she start calling herself Joni) Bobsart How cute is her granddaughter (that 3 generation shot) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:46:19 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue then FTR Bruce and Lori opined > > In recalling the sequence of her recordings, I often have to stop and > > force myself to remember that Blue is before FTR. Because in the > > evolution of Joni's work, it seems Blue should come after FTR. I > > don't know why I think this. > > I do the same thing. It DOES seems that Blue should have come after > FTR. Perhaps it's because, to me, the vocal and musical style of FTR > seems to fit nicely between LOTC and Blue. In some ways, Blue seems to > be more "mature" than FTR. > > My take on this is a bit different. Blue was the only album on which the > dulcimer and JT were featured prominently as players. That profoundly > affected the mix of the record, which contained 4 dulcimer songs, 2 guitar > songs and 4 paino songs. What balance ? > > For the Roses, however, had some amazingly mature work artistically. > Especially true of Cold Blue Steel, Lesson in Survival/Let the Wind Carry > Me, WOHAM and Judgment of the Moon and Stars, all of which were very big > songs, and some of which represented more ambitious composition than in > Blue (which is still my #1 album with Hejira #2, not that they are > competitors). > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:06:19 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind Lori Fye wrote: > Jim noticed the absence of any mention of > >> 4.) Polio. > > Damn! You're quite right! I wonder why? > > Lori It was mentioned briefly at the very beginning. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 02:14:32 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 5 On April 5 the following items were published: 2000: "A Case of Joni" - Advocate (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=486 2000: "Stone Temple Pilots Added To TNT Joni Mitchell Special" - Launch.com (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=488 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 02:24:46 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Down to You Hi Kenny B and Ken... (Btw..Kenny..I enjoyed your post. Thanks for sharing!) I have Joni Mitchell Songbook.. Complete Volume Number 2. This contains Blue, For The Roses, Court and Spark. I don't believe that it contains the instrumental portion of DTY? I just know chords and don't read music.. so I could be wrong? Let me know if you want a copy..I'd be happy to send it to you. Bree NP: A Dream Goes On Forever..Todd Rundgren >In a message dated 4/4/2003 11:27:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, >PassScribe@aol.com writes: > > > and I've been trying to find sheet music for it > > so I might try to learn the piano passages in it (I'm a beginner but I >try > > hard!) > >Hi Kenny! > > Down To You is an incredibly poignant song. It gives me goosebumps to >this >day and is one of my top 5 Joni tunes ever. The sheet music, as I've seen >it, does not contain the instrumental portion >of the song, though I would love to get my hands on a transcription of >that! >I do have a copy I could Xerox for you, although it is in a box in a >storage >locker at this time. > >Ken _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:25:41 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: * ISO CD Artwork Out of lurk mode, anybody know if there is any artwork for Second Fret 67-68 shows, three disks? thanks, eric ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #118 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)