From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #114 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 114 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JONI PBS!!!! ["kakki" ] Re: Joni's Peers ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #113 [SAVtheWAVE@aol.com] RE: woman of heart and mind [Deb Messling ] cambodian "both sides now" [Deb Messling ] Re: JONI PBS!!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] WOHAM [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: CD sales shoot up [Catherine McKay ] RE: woman of heart and mind [Catherine McKay ] RE: woman of heart and mind [Deb Messling ] Re: Covers #39 - Let the games begin! UPDATE [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #211 [JSerkes@aol.com] Re: Joni's Peers ["Lori Fye" ] Re: woman of heart and mind [SoulQuest7@aol.com] RE: Right again!! ["theodore" ] happy birthday ["Gillian Apter" ] Re: woman of heart and mind [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: cambodian "both sides now" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: cambodian "both sides now" ["Moni Kellermann" ] Re: cambodian "both sides now" ["Moni Kellermann" ] Woman Of Heart & Mind [Bob Shemkovitz ] RE: woman of heart and mind ["Lori Fye" ] small epiphany [Dave Cuneo ] Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind [Doug ] Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fw: CD sales shoot up ["Christopher Treacy" ] Amazon Top 100 [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: cambodian "both sides now" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: WOHAM ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's Peers ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Fw: CD sales shoot up [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Amazon Top 100 [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Amazon Top 100 ["theodore" ] will you take me as i am * woman of heart and mind * [magsnbrei ] RE: Amazon Top 100 ["theodore" ] american masters [Susan McNamara ] Re: Amazon Top 100 [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: american masters [magsnbrei ] Re: Amazon Top 100/keeping Joni to ourselves [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: woman of heart and mind [Randy Remote ] Re: american masters [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: woman of heart and mind ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: CD sales shoot up [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: american masters [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Covers #39 - Let the games begin! UPDATE [Merk54@aol.com] Amazon update/2:15 est [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind [Dan Olson ] Re: Amazon update/2:15 est ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: CD sales shoot up ["o" ] Re: american masters [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Amazon update/2:15 est [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: american masters [Jerry Notaro ] PBS - No Hissing [SMC1254@aol.com] PBS show ["janine sherman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 00:19:47 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: JONI PBS!!!! Kevin, There were all some of my favorite parts, too! You wrote: > 2-could be laurel canyon also but there was a scene where it looked like joni, CSN, plus some other people hangin >outside..it reminded me of me and my friends.. It is Laurel Canyon and is taken from a longer film dubbed "Laurel Canyon Home Movies" that has made it's way around the videotape trading lists. A JMDLer sent it to me a while ago and I think some others here may have it. It is very candid - the camera justs runs. It also includes the scenes of Joni running on the beach in the red cape. Someone told me the beach is in Santa Cruz, CA and it was probably shot around the time she and the gang were at the Big Sur Festival. I don't have the capability of making videotape copies but maybe one of the generous collectors here can get one to you. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 03:11:50 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni's Peers And who are her peers as someone who spun stories, used original somewhat dissonant flavors, self-produced more than a dozen groundbreaking albums, had a knack for appearing to be a rebel without offending too many people permanently, and built her own artwork? Who else does all these things on a world-class level? No one. That's why she's peerless. Lama SCJoniGuy said, >>That would depend on which category you want to discuss her in. As a composer I would say her peers are Gershwin, Monk, Bernstein, among others...as a singer-songwriter you've got Waits, Springsteen, Dylan, Browne, Taylor, the usual suspects. If you want to examine her as a singer or as a guitarist or as a painter, it'd be a whole different list.>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 06:21:24 EST From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #113 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: PBS Special Like Chris said so well, this kind of broadcast validates that WE know what so many don't, or won't take the time to get, and it makes me very special to know all of you. After watching WOHM, I couldn't help but also go away feeling that there is something special about those of us that have followed Joni for all these years and do receive what she has tried to convey to through her poetry. Her ability to touch so many is truly her greatest talent. It's so nice to connect with those that understand, once in a while. I was also pleased that she was presented as a "poet". I know this list has discussed what poetry, in the past, but to me, they got it right. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 06:27:37 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind I was surprised they omitted any mention of HOSL, since this was the first album that many critics decided to pan - a career turning point, in a weird way! Also the first Joni album to showcase "world music" with the Burundi drummers. At 12:48 AM 4/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >does anyone else feel that things were left out that needed mentioning? >within reason this is. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 06:37:21 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: cambodian "both sides now" Can anyone confirm that BSN was performed (sung in Cambodian) in the film City of Ghosts? If so, how does it sound? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:05:40 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI PBS!!!! In a message dated 4/3/03 3:08:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > but maybe one of the generous collectors here can get one > to you. > or two? someone leaf me please rosie in nj Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:10:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: WOHAM The omitted .........why no mention of Leonard Cohen.... Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:22:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: CD sales shoot up This isn't a cruel belated April Fool's joke, I hope? I hope it's true - vindication time! I'm so happy to see the posts from everyone in the US who has now seen this show. When I saw it, there were tears streaming down my face the whole time (and a foolish grin on my face). I'm glad I'm not the only one. Every time I read another post about this, I want to respond with a big "Amen! Halleluja!" BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote:I watch the sales charts on amazon.com. After the PBS broadcast, all of Joni's CDs shot up the chart and several are now in the top 100. Cool! Bryan Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:36:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind They did really gloss over a lot of stuff that happened after the first three or so albums, didn't they? It kind of made me think they were planning to do a lot more and then realized they had already used up the first half of their time and were in a rush to get it finished OR (hope springs eternal) maybe it's all sitting in a can in a studio somewhere? Deb Messling wrote:I was surprised they omitted any mention of HOSL, since this was the first album that many critics decided to pan - a career turning point, in a weird way! Also the first Joni album to showcase "world music" with the Burundi drummers. At 12:48 AM 4/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >does anyone else feel that things were left out that needed mentioning? >within reason this is. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 07:42:35 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind I wonder if they were just heady over all the amazing archival stuff and felt compelled to use it all, then ran out of time! If that's the case, I'd rather have the early stuff. At 07:36 AM 4/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >They did really gloss over a lot of stuff that happened after the first >three or so albums, didn't they? It kind of made me think they were >planning to do a lot more and then realized they had already used up the >first half of their time and were in a rush to get it finished OR (hope >springs eternal) maybe it's all sitting in a can in a studio somewhere? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:16:27 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #39 - Let the games begin! UPDATE In a message dated 4/2/2003 4:39:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Okay, here goes my entry for the Sammy Hagar giveaway: > > Neil Sedaka BLUE BOY > Electric Light Orchestra BORDERLINE > Doug Shepherd TIN ANGEL > The Smothers Brothers MY OLD MAN > Moby ELECTRICITY > Mark Knopfler COYOTE > The Doobie Brothers JERICHO > Joe Tex BE COOL (subtitled "Willie is dancing with a > sissie") > Reba McEntire GOOD FRIENDS > Boy George NUMBER ONE > Artie Shaw MAN FROM MARS > Chuck Berry CALIFORNIA Congrats to Deb Messling for a *well-earned* #39 Frisbee! Actually, I had intended for ELO's "cover" to be "Night In The City", but they also had a "Borderline", so there you go! And if you want some fun, try and imagine these as authentic Joni covers...some of them would be quite humorous, although I have to admit I'd love to hear Artie Shaw's big band clarinet style take on "Man From Mars"! So, just to recap where we're at with the freebies: Stephen Epstein has claimed the Alphabet freebie; Deb has dibs on the Sammy Hagar freebie; The Qatar freebie is still open, though I will give credit to "Viqtor from "Qatlanta" for a nice try! :~D The Wyoming freebie remains unclaimed, Catherine won the "birthday" freebie but smugly flung it back. :~( And I'm still taking guesses to win the random freebie (pick a song). I'll continue to take them through Friday midnight and announce the 2 winners Saturday. Thanks to all for the enthusiastic response. It's a good time to be a Joni fan. Bob NP: Joni, "Refuge Of The Roads" Tokyo 1983 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:20:35 EST From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #211 Heart and Mind incredible to me. Simply incredible. I have been doing docu-bios for sometime here, and doing them on my own. It was so good to see how it's really done. As for early footage WOWWWW. Just incredible. I was so appreciative of Holden and Flanagan, who imparted some very cool stuff as rock journalist from way back when. For me, it was so incredible to see all the early footage...the show really rooted there. There simply was not enough time to edit or tell her story in such a short run, but they did it as best they could. Editing is a real art in film work. I want so so much to do this type of film for Laura Nyro. I started a project right before she died. and just left it there, due to her departure. Now, inspired again. Meeting Larry and Kilarian, and floating meeting Joni, has to be one of my life's greatest moments...Larry is a spittin image of my brother...Kilarian thought she knew me, introed me to her adoptive mother. A lovely woman. Must be the Fran Liebowitz look a like... Jody alias Nyrogrl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 05:21:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's Peers Everytime I see this subject line I think to myself, "Joni has no peers." After watching last night's PBS program(me), well ... Joni has no peers. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:33:37 EST From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind << They did really gloss over a lot of stuff that happened after the first > three or so albums, didn't they? It kind of made me think they were > planning to do a lot more and then realized they had already used up the > first half of their time and were in a rush to get it finished >>>> I've watched the Joni documentary two times already. I think, given a three decade long career, it's unrealistic to expect everything to be weighted equally in a 90 minute documentary. To be quite honest, they could have done the whole documentary on just BLUE and I would have felt happy, since every musicologist and their grandmother would have wanted to comment on the importance of the album. As it was intended to be a whole sweep of her life (let alone career), I think they were justified in emphasizing her early solo-folk albums (with a big spotlight on Blue) since these were her "heydey" so to speak, at least in the minds of the public at large. Personally, I admire her for branching out, but I think it's strange to say she was a pioneer in world music hybrids. George Harrison was thoroughly employing Indian music in his songs back in 1966-1967, and he was quickly followed by people such as Donovan and The Incredible String Band. For that matter, the U.S. version of Help! in 1965 had a version of "A Hard Day's Night" performed on Indian instruments, so maybe that was the first pop/world music hybrid. It certainly was that movie that turned George onto the sitar. So the documentary focused on Joni's merger of the melodic stylings of the crooners with the storytelling lyrical style of Dylan, and the ultra-confessional twist to it that was Joni's early trademark, which culminated in BLUE. They easily could do another 90 minute documentary on her post-Blue career. I think it would take a filmmaker with a much better knowledge of world music and jazz to accurately highlight that aspect of her career. It would also take more time. Personally, I was hoping for a 2 hour documentary, and I had no idea it was even being aired until the last minute, and watching it prompted me to join this list to see if there were any videos being leafed containing these early TV appearances. =-- Jai Ma--- Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:36:17 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Right again!! Its been my experience that artists always find inspiration. For now her work might be done, but I would be very surprised if she is done for good. There may be a lull but soon there will be a new beginning. Like the death card in tarot, it's just the seasons changing. Energy changing form. Of course here in Diego we don't have dramatic changes of season, two week "rainy" season and then 70 degrees the rest of the year, but, you see it on the beach, and, in the deserts, the coming of spring. The other day I saw a bubble in the sand and then a crab poked her head out. I could see bright orange roe clinging to her body under her arms. As long as we live the struggle continues, and, it doesn't seem like it's up to us when our journey is up. If we keep our ears to the ground I bet we hear something else that inspires and transfixes us from Joni. Ted Ps. Will you take a check? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:23 PM To: _JMDL Subject: Right again!! Who was it that said Joni stopped writing because she was reunited with Kilauren? Oh, yeah. It was me. After I wrote that, exactly one person told me how right I was on that point. Muller. Tonight, I saw some big-time music critic say the same thing. Joni's writing was all about a journey, a voyage, a loop, away from Kelly. Now that she's reunited with Kilauren, her work is done. I couldn't have said it better. Well, maybe a *LITTLE* better. As I recall I said "What good is catharsis if you're pain free?" BTW, does someone have that essay handy? I lost it when XP ate my "Keepers" folders. Lama PS, Following in Michael Moore's footsteps, I've decided to charge admission for access to my opinions. You are commanded to send me $8 each. Write me off-list for instructions. Do you think this is a free ride? You want me to spin gold outta hay, you got's ta pay. (The Boss via Rev. Jackson, I suppose.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:44:21 +0200 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: happy birthday Have a wonderful birthday, Catherine Always enjoy your posts. You sound wacky!! gill in madrid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:47:16 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind In a message dated 4/3/2003 8:33:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, SoulQuest7 writes: > It would also take more time. Personally, I was hoping for a 2 hour > documentary, and I had no idea it was even being aired until the last minute, > and watching it prompted me to join this list to see if > there were any videos > being leafed containing these early TV appearances. True...we'll not be satisfied until we see the Ken Burns 12-part edition! :~) As for available video, the JMDL does have Video trees always available which feature early performances of Joni on "The Way It Is" (CBC-TV), the classic Dick Cavett appearance, Isle of Wight, and many more. I have (and have made many copies of) a video titled "Joni On The BBC" which features her 1970 "Pink Dress" concert, and a section of her 1974 Victoria Theatre appearance in 1974 with The LA Express, as well as an Old Grey Whistle Test Extra from the DED era, which highlights her painting as well. I also have video of Joni on the Johnny Cash show, but the quality is so poor that I'm afraid another generation would be unwatchable. Note to self: get an upgrade of the Johnny Cash stuff. Bob NP: Joni, "Wild Things Run Fast" Tokyo 1983 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:52:40 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: cambodian "both sides now" In a message dated 4/3/2003 6:37:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Can anyone confirm that BSN was performed (sung in > Cambodian) in the film > City of Ghosts? If so, how does it sound? I haven't seen the film, Deb...the soundtrack comes out April 29, no details yet on the tracklisting. I'll be looking for it. Bob, inching closer to the "300" mark for BSN covers NP: Don't Interrupt The Sorrow, Tokyo 83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:14:45 +0200 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: cambodian "both sides now" So, here it is, I've done another of my little digging stunts: http://www.cityofghostsmovie.com/preload_intro2.swf It's in Khmer, the artist is Dengue Fever, a six-piece band featuring the Cambodian singer Chhom Nimol. moni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:19:18 +0200 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: cambodian "both sides now" Correction: http://www.cityofghostsmovie.com/preload_intro2.swf is the wrong file. The BSN file is this here: http://www.cityofghostsmovie.com/intro_sound.swf Sorry for the inconvenience. moni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 09:27:24 -0500 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Woman Of Heart & Mind What can I say - what an incredible show. I was totally unprepared for the emotional impact of this program. I should have realized that a show about Joni would be anything but your standard issue documentary. Everyone who was interviewed was so insightful about Joni and the times, and so articulate about the way her songs impacted their own lives and psyches. It's like that Whitman quote I see so often in the jmdl posts - To have great art, you must have great audiences. The people who shared their thoughts in this documentary represented Joni's audience beautifully with their sensitivity and appreciation for the depth and breadth of her work. I agree with everything that was said. And Joni, of course, was so eloquent too, in her interview segments. Again, I was impressed by the honesty and objectivity she was able to bring to her appraisals of her own art - but then, self awareness has always been at the core of everything she has done. What really blew me away was how brutally analytical the film was in getting at the mental/emotional/spiritual conflict at the center of her life - the security of a loving relationship versus the artistic demands of independence. But, again, for an artist who has bared herself, literally and figuratively, in the service of her art, why should the documentary be any different. I'm conflicted about the length of the documentary. On the one hand, I would have welcomed a project that ran about 900 minutes, rather than 90. On the other hand, considering the state I was in after watching the show, I doubt whether I could drink another drop and still be on my feet! Glad to see it's going to be available for home video, apparently in May or June. Just one humble request... may we also have every single tv & concert performance that's ever been committed to film, complete and uncut and without the voiceovers? Pretty please? :) Siquomb, indeed, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 07:15:18 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: woman of heart and mind > "hey, they left out the dog album she did in the 80's". That's pretty funny, even though I love DED. > does anyone else feel that things were left out that needed > mentioning? within reason this is. 1) Joni's relationship with James Taylor, which seems to be as significant as her relationship with Graham Nash. 2) HOSL 3) DED and CMIAR - this was a true missed opportunity to mention Joni's political commentary (wonder if it was intentional?) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:32:57 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: small epiphany Ciao joniphiles, One thing that struck me about the PBS special was that I already knew just about everything they talked about through interactions with the JMDL and the Joni home page. :~) Also, it struck me while watching - when they played a bit from "For the Roses", the line is "did you get a round resounding for you way up here?" I realized "way up here" was referring to her hideaway in Canada where she must have written that song, not "up here" in the high seats of the stadium or concert hall, as I had always assumed! I realized this only because they showed a picture of Joni from the "For the Roses" album in which she is at her hideaway ( maybe it was the one where she is naked) while this song played. :~) Ciao, dave. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:29:37 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind Just a minor disappointment with the PBS version: The CBC show contained an extra minute or two of Circle Game video in which during the chorus Joni sways in a sort of circular motion. Very beautiful, one of my favorite moments in the film. Maybe it will magically reappear in the DVD. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:41:22 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind In a message dated 4/3/2003 10:29:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, dmeek@falls.igs.net writes: > The CBC show contained > an extra minute or two of Circle Game video > in which during the chorus Joni sways in a sort of circular > motion. The entire performance is available on the Video Trees, it's one of the "The Way It Is" performances. It's awesome, I love the way she goes over the top of the neck with such ease to play that chord transition. Bob NP: Woodstock, London 83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:00:29 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Fw: CD sales shoot up > Blue is now #17. Whoa! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine McKay" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:22 AM > Subject: Re: CD sales shoot up > > > > This isn't a cruel belated April Fool's joke, I hope? I hope it's true - > vindication time! > > I'm so happy to see the posts from everyone in the US who has now seen > this show. When I saw it, there were tears streaming down my face the whole > time (and a foolish grin on my face). I'm glad I'm not the only one. Every > time I read another post about this, I want to respond with a big "Amen! > Halleluja!" > > BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote:I watch the sales charts on amazon.com. After the > PBS broadcast, all of > > Joni's CDs shot up the chart and several are now in the top 100. Cool! > > > > Bryan > > > > Catherine > > Toronto > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:17:49 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Amazon Top 100 Ladies of the Canyon 45 Court and Spark 39 Hits 33 Mingus 51 Hejira 54 Song to A Seagull 80 Don Juans Reckless Daughter 92 Clouds 93 How wonderful! Still, I have this feeling that I don't want to share her with this potential new audience... What is that all about? If Joni's popularity reached epic proportions (in sheer numbers) I'd feel like this special thing that we share in the JMDL community would somehow be swallowed up. It's strange to find yourself wanting for Joni to get the recognition she deserves, while selfishly wanting it to remain utterly private. Anyone else feel this way? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:18:11 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: cambodian "both sides now" Deb asks: << << Can anyone confirm that BSN was performed (sung in Cambodian) in the film City of Ghosts? >> This is from the Joni in Fiction part of the JMDL site < http://www.jmdl.com/fiction/film.cfm >: <> --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 08:23:43 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: WOHAM > The omitted .........why no mention of Leonard Cohen.... Actually, there was the BRIEFEST mention of Cohen early in the program, during Joni's entrance into the Greenwich Village folk club scene. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:37:02 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni's Peers > Everytime I see this subject line I think to myself, "Joni has no > peers." > > After watching last night's PBS program(me), well ... > > Joni has no peers. > > > Lori Everytime I see this subject line I think of how Socrates would tell people that he is not wise...To me Joni is just Joni and a large part of why she seems so special to me is that when it comes down to it, she is just a person just like any one of us. I hope for her that she will find happiness in whatever she decides to do at this point in her life whether it involves music or art, her family or whatever. I think it is important to an artist of any medium at any level to have something to strive for, to find some challenge, to create something fresh, different...to further develop and evolve into something even better. I think throughout her whole career, Joni has constantly pushed the envelope and taken music to a whole other realm. But before I ever listened to Joni, I found that same quality in the group Rush, who largely inspired me to learn the guitar and to start writing songs in high school. They have always had the same high standards of musicianship, composition, lyric writing, innovation, and just overall musical integrity. I recently went to see King Crimson kick off their tour in Asheville and they were astounding. Robert Fripp, in his long career has influenced countless musicians, though he leads such a quiet nonassuming existence. Adrian Belew did all the talking at the show and Robert Fripp never even said a word. Yes, Joni has peers. These are her peers and many others who have shaped and created music for the past 25 some odd years. To say that she has no peers, to me, makes her seem somehow less than human. Just my opinion. Victor Victor Johnson waytoblu@mindspring.com Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:45:05 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: CD sales shoot up whizzboom@attbi.com writes: << > Blue is now #17. Whoa! >> Which reminds me . . . I was in Tower Records in Harvard Square, Cambridge, the other night and "Blue" was in the #11 slot of their store bestsellers. Norah Jones was, of course, #1, so I thought maybe people are discovering "Blue" in the wake of Norah's record (SNORE), as an example of how powerful a woman singing with minimal musical accompaniment can really be. As someone mentioned in the show last night, "Blue" is like nothing before or since. Maybe the time has come for it to get the recognition it deserves sales-wise. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:49:17 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Ken writes: << It's strange to find yourself wanting for Joni to get the recognition she deserves, while selfishly wanting it to remain utterly private. Anyone else feel this way? >> Yes. Ken also says: << If Joni's popularity reached epic proportions (in sheer numbers) I'd feel like this special thing that we share in the JMDL community would somehow be swallowed up. >> I think that's when we'd have to ask Les to lock the gates to protect us all from encroachment by the newbie barbarians! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:54:19 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Amazon Top 100 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:49 AM To: KJHSF@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Ken writes: << It's strange to find yourself wanting for Joni to get the recognition she deserves, while selfishly wanting it to remain utterly private. Anyone else feel this way? >> Yes. Ken also says: << If Joni's popularity reached epic proportions (in sheer numbers) I'd feel like this special thing that we share in the JMDL community would somehow be swallowed up. >> I think that's when we'd have to ask Les to lock the gates to protect us all from encroachment by the newbie barbarians! --Bob "you better find yourself a welder, baby, since you got locked inside your own vault" The Barbarians ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: will you take me as i am * woman of heart and mind * moved to the core by last night's special. be still in the tears, retrospective revelations, reminders, seeds, interpretations, thoughts, ideas, considerations, openings, beginnings, understanding, listening, hearing. stillness. still. she flows like the river , her waters, deep, fluid, she moves back and forth, and forward..and beyond ... Impressions. Joni asks us to sit still for 90 minutes, wait in that stillness and listen to her speak. she opens the door and welcomes us inside. her life, her loves, her feelings. she is telling us who what and where she's been and why. i cannot help but hear playing in my head the last few lines from California... oh will you take me as i am? will you take me as i am? will you? let her speak, perhaps this is all she wants Mags You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:05:52 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 In a message dated 4/3/2003 11:18:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, KJHSF@aol.com writes: > It's strange to find yourself wanting for Joni to get the recognition she > deserves, while selfishly wanting it to remain utterly private. Anyone > else > feel this way? > Ken > I know what you mean Ken. I tell everyone how great Joni is, yet I feel like I have a bond with her. She's *my* Joni, and I'm her biggest fan. Long ago I felt sort of this way about Bette Midler, Melissa Manchester, Michael Franks, Chaka Khan, and a few others who got very little airplay at first. I felt they were my own personal artists until the rest of the world caught on. They're definitely not in the same category as Joni, but I enjoyed them more when they weren't as well known. After second thought, I guess since I've felt this way about Joni for sooooooo many years, maybe I wouldn't mind if I shared Joni with the rest of the world. She's certainly paid her dues. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:10:50 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 theodore@buckfush.org writes: << "you better find yourself a welder, baby, since you got locked inside your own vault" The Barbarians >> LOL! Shades of the JMDL "Lifeboat" that was discussed a few months back! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:14:10 -0500 From: Subject: PBS Special last Les, Did membership jump as a result of the CBC special and the PBS special? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:29:22 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Amazon Top 100 More fresh converts. I turned my sister and her family on to Joni after giving her kids a cd with Big Yellow taxi on it. They are very anti hippy music ... its C&W around their house . You are funny! Yeah that homeland security act will land us all in jail for breathing. Irony anyone? Where are the hippies now? Joni is awesome, I watched the special. Mark is going to look to see what he has. Sorry I haven't talked to you all week. I am soooooooo tired. Sarah has been getting up really early, then this morning she slept late and Miriam got up early. i feel like gravity is going to smack me down on the pavement any second. \Love, Stardust Life is but a dream Sha Boom Sha Boom Twinlkla Toesala formerly known as MOOOOOOMMMMMYYYY and teri Would you guys happen to have a mike stand for sale? I thought I'd ask before I went to guitar center. On a different note the repression has arrived, a congressman has proposed a bill to give protesters 25 years. Well its 123 what are we fighting for . surely not our freedom of speech and assembly! "Well the officers are trying to keep me down, trying to drive me under ground. They think that they have got the battle won. I say forgive them lord they know not what they've done." Jimmy Cliff (The Harder They Come) Peace, Moon Unit Dweezle Bot Boom Shaka Laka Ali Yusef Akbar Lakamoola (formerly uncle teddy) - -----Original Message----- From: Murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:Murphycopy@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:11 AM To: theodore@buckfush.org; Murphycopy@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 theodore@buckfush.org writes: << "you better find yourself a welder, baby, since you got locked inside your own vault" The Barbarians >> LOL! Shades of the JMDL "Lifeboat" that was discussed a few months back! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:48:20 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: american masters Just wanted to chime in what an extraordinary experience the documentary was last night. the early footage was amazing. I was amazed at Joni in her wedding gown - what an amazing beauty she was (and knowing that it was all a sham makes it even more poignant). There is just so much there that I applaud the director for making it as comprehensive and respectful of Joni's genius as it was. Incredible. And yes, they did skip Dog Eat Dog and Chalkmark, but the more glaring exception to me was Hissing of Summer Lawns. They went from Court & Spark straight to Hejira. But as Patti said last night while we were watching it, there was probably no way to explain it in a short amount of time. Also, in my own humble opinion, I don't buy the idea that Joni's done. Her crop rotations will continue as long as she has breath. I loved when she said "why am I not a star of the 90s? I just won two grammys!" I will still hold out hope for her next phase. :-) Hope you are all well and gleaming. suemc PS I would have paid 50 bucks just to watch the 3minute segment of her playing Blue live. I died and went to heaven. :-) - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:52:55 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100 Hi all, Just was thinking re rising popularity and sharing Joni with others, I have to say that I've had this experience with Norah Jones...I discovered her CD a year ago, loved it, and enjoyed it much more when it was my little secret almost, now that's it's so mainstream, I've lost interest somehow, but hadn't realized it... hmmmmmm... I think I ponder this as Ken does; I love having Joni as my little secret, my own personal therapy, but would she hold the same power if she was No. 1 on the charts? much food for thought here... Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:08:48 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: american masters Susan McNamara wrote: Also, in my own humble opinion, I don't buy the idea that Joni's done. Her crop rotations will continue as long as she has breath. et moi: I agree Sue...especially since Joni talked about taking a break from writing and moving into painting over the course of her career... and from this painting place, she may return to create songs. Everyone needs a break, n'est-ce pas? Time will tell. How wonderful to see 'happy grammy' Joni playing with her grandbabies. Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:10:28 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazon Top 100/keeping Joni to ourselves In a message dated 4/3/2003 12:05:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL writes: > maybe I wouldn't mind if I shared Joni with the rest of > the world. She's certainly paid her dues. I know what Ken's talking about. For me though the real fear is with a new young artist who's just starting out. You enjoy them all to yourself, and sometimes when they finally break big they sell out and lose what attracted you to them to start with. I don't have to worry about with that with Joni, so I say get on that soapbox and PREACH it, brutha! ;~) We don't have to worry about Joni selling out (she learned her lesson with CMIARS ;~D) On the contrary, it's refreshing when I get an e-mail from my wife's uncle Rodney who knew WHO Joni was but not WHAT she was (in terms of musical importance). Bob NP: "Help Me" Detroit 7/4/83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:09:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind Oh, Amelia, it was just infuckingcredible ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:20:23 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: american masters In a message dated 4/3/2003 1:08:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > How wonderful to see 'happy grammy' Joni playing with her > grandbabies. Agreed - like that's the "Grammy" award she's wanted all along...I wonder if her next project is going to be a kid's record? ;~) Bob PS: Sue Mac, great to hear from you!! I was beginning to think you HAD died & gone to heaven! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:22:37 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: woman of heart and mind <> ohhhhh, yeah. the beauty and heartbreaking sadness as she sang her sorrow, guitar in hand, in her wedding dress to the wedding party and guests that she didn't know and who probably could never get to *know* her. the absolute beauty and joy as she ran on the beach with that red cape flowing behind her. i hope that someone thinks that each of us is, at least occasionally, as just un-freakin'-believably gorgeous as i think joni is in that film. the joy in her face as she danced on the patio with the grandkids. i so love that her Little Green is having a happy ending. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:58:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: american masters In this mornings newspaper, a picture of Joni publicizing the program was right next to a picture and story of Justin Timberlake. I guess Joni can't say she's not a present day Pop Idol! The called her a "folkie chanteuse." Does anyone have the phone number to order the DVD? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:06:11 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: CD sales shoot up I do have a life, and I'm certain this program is causing lots of CD sales to people who previously only had one or a few titles of Joni's, or who use to have vinyl but never bought her CDs until now. And maybe even a few who had none previously. This morning, Mingus was #24 on Amazon.com and their #1 sales gainer. Travelogue returned to the top 100 after dropping out in January. We all know art comes first for Joni, but it's obvious she does care about sales. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:06:33 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: american masters It was obvious from the show that winning the Grammy's in 96 was a high point in her career. The show was just superb. I hope Joni was happy with it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:07:48 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #39 - Let the games begin! UPDATE In a message dated 4/3/2003 7:17:49 AM Central Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Congrats to Deb Messling for a *well-earned* #39 Frisbee! Actually, I had > intended for ELO's "cover" to be "Night In The City", but they also had a > "Borderline", so there you go! > Gee - and all this time I thought it was "Ray's Dad's Cadillac" - which, of course, just happened to be an Eldorado! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:18:00 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Amazon update/2:15 est Blue@13 Hits@19 Court and Spark@22 Hejira@25 Ladies of the Canyon@27 Mingus@33 Song to a Seagull@36 Clouds@46 Don Juan@63 Hissing@65 For the Roses@82 Travelogue@89 Pretty Impressive! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:04:04 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind I loved the seamless jusxtaposition of old and new audio clips, sometimes allowing her to finish a thought from the contemporary interview in her young sweet voice. Generally, the musical editing was also quite good, when they would combine the LP version of a song with a live performance ("Blue" was amazing in this regard). Having said that, I find it annoying when they edit a given performance of a song (for example, editing out a short instrumental break in "Night in the City"). I really appreciate the attention given to STAS (short shrift to Clouds and LOTC was justified, given the excellent coverage of the raw emotion of Blue and FTR). The early footage showed how effortless it was for her to sing so clearly and in tune, and her beauty was just stunning. Yes, I would have liked to see SOMETHING about HOSL, but I thought the transition to Hejira was well done. DJRD/Mingus was also well done. It would have been nice (especially for people who "gave up" on her after Mingus) for them to at least mention that she continued recording, experimenting, and NOT selling out right through the eighties and into the nineties. They could have also spent a little more time on her orchestral work on BSN and T'Log. Overall, IMO it was very well done; her incredible artistry was clearly conveyed, and the respect she has earned from everyone interviewed was obvious. On a personal note, I was SURE that my PBS affilitate wasn't going to show it - it was apparent from their web-site that they didn't do the American Master's series - there's another PBS station in the Denver market (that I don't get on my satellite system), so I was very sad reading about all of the excitement that we were all sharing leading up to it. Just as I walked in the door, I realized it WAS on (and just starting), so I popped a tape in the VCR (it didn't matter what I was recording over), and watched it, and immediately rewound the tape and watched it again. I DO LOVE THE SHOW; I can't wait to watch it again. At 09:27 AM 4/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >What can I say - what an incredible show. I was totally unprepared for the >emotional impact of this program. I should have realized that a show about >Joni would be anything but your standard issue documentary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:59:40 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Amazon update/2:15 est Holy shit, that's amazing! And to see HOSL, DJRD, Mingus, and T'log up there is VERY cool. It shows people are interested in the whole picture, hmm? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Amazon update/2:15 est > Blue@13 > Hits@19 > Court and Spark@22 > Hejira@25 > Ladies of the Canyon@27 > Mingus@33 > Song to a Seagull@36 > Clouds@46 > Don Juan@63 > Hissing@65 > For the Roses@82 > Travelogue@89 > > Pretty Impressive! > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:01:56 +0100 From: "o" Subject: Re: CD sales shoot up Wow - i just looked on the U.S Amazon site - Joni has 4 albums in the top 25!!! Owen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:08:12 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: american masters In a message dated 4/3/2003 1:58:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > Does anyone have the phone number to order the DVD? To purchase the video "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind", please call 1-800-336-1917. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:11:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazon update/2:15 est In a message dated 4/3/2003 2:59:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, whizzboom@attbi.com writes: > And to see HOSL, DJRD, Mingus, and T'log up there > is VERY cool. It shows people are interested in the whole > picture, hmm? Yes, I think that all the people that left her when she left the radio (basically after C&S in terms of Top 40) realize that they have made a SERIOUS omission and have to atone & catch up. Good for them, and of course, GREAT for Joni! Of course, I'm sure there's more than a couple who are upgrading from vinyl they can't play anymore. Bob NP: "Song For Sharon", Copenhagen 5/14/83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:14:30 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: american masters Just ordered my DVD. Very quick and easy to do. Thanks, Bob. Jerry SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/3/2003 1:58:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > > > >>Does anyone have the phone number to order the DVD? >> >> > >To purchase the video "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind", please call 1-800-336-1917. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:34:43 EST From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: PBS - No Hissing Did I miss something or was "Hissing of Summer Lawns" completely left out of the program - otherwise I really loved it and was in awe of some of the early photographs and footage...need to watch it again. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:51:43 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: PBS show Greetings all, I am not sure I have yet recovered. I was all set to tape it and it was NOT showing on our Direct TV satellite PBS channel. I arrived home only 15 minutes prior to the show, so I had no thought out back up plan. I was at least able to gain fuzzy reception on our antenna, pitfall of living on the battlefield. I sobbed throughout the WHOLE thing. Just ask Rick and Jimmy, I sob (suffer) so eloquently..... It brought back vivid memories and feelings from the Toronto Hommage with us sitting behind her, Klein, and Kilauren. I have already called to order the DVD. I wanted more but I could not have remained breathless much longer...The sheer brilliance in her little pinkie astounds and mystifies me and keeps me beggin for more. I thought it was true to her evolution as an artist . I loved her phrasing "Crop Rotation" describing her music and art. Lori, I WAS able to thank her personally and she nodded her gratitude to me that night when she descended the stage. It reduced me to smithereens. Peace, Janine in Gettysburg NP: "Thanks for your presence/presents" MOA. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #114 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)