From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #108 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, March 31 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 108 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni In Fiction - A new one? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #201 [Catherine McKay ] Song to a Seagull ["Kerry Berghoff" ] more (male) joni covers ["Laurent Olszer" ] Now that we have all done our one hand clapping routines ["Suzanne MarcAu] speaking of democracy VLJC [Kay Ashley ] Re: more (male) joni covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: speaking of democracy VLJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Song to a Seagull ["theodore" ] Re: Song to a Seagull [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:51:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni In Fiction - A new one? On March 10th, Bob Muller posted: "I guess this one goes under the "TV" section...a miniseries called "A Girl Thing". According to the ad: The soundtrack includes songs by Joni Mitchell and Chaka Khan (whose name is misspelled as Kahn in the credits). " You're right Bob. I rented "A Girl Thing" this weekend. It was a 4 part miniseries from Showtime. They play "A Case of You" (from BSN) during a VERY HOT HOT Love scene between Kate Capshaw and Elle McPherson. My glasses were fogging up and I wasn't wearing them. I got shivers down my spine as the two made such passionate love while ACOY played. The song fit this scene so well. They played Chaka's "Stronger Than Before" (which I *love*) during a slow dance scene between Kate and Elle. Then you hear part of ACOY again during a scene when Elle is contemplating her newly found sexuality. Lots of stars in this movie, and I enjoyed all 4 hours of it! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #201 --- Eryl B Davies wrote: > dsk wrote: > > > >So, obviously, to keep our (the US) lifestyle > going, we need A LOT of > >oil, as cheaply as possible. > > > How much research into renewable energy sources > would the cost of this war > have covered? > Not to mention AIDS/cancer/name-your-disease research and treatment; solutions to famine; homelessness; poverty and whatever else ails ya. Somehow these things are not a priority, but dropping billions on dropping bombs? Done in a flash. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:50:07 -0700 From: "Kerry Berghoff" Subject: Song to a Seagull I would have to agree with Little Bird. I absolutely love Joni's early work, the clarity of the sound, the innocence and newness of her sound. I regularly play these early treats, and I'm glad someone else has been enjoying them, too! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:46:48 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: more (male) joni covers Just came across 2 Joni covers by Richard Thompson (to whom I was turned on by Debra Shea), downloaded from the web: Black Crow (so-so) and a very interesting version of Woodstock. These are the 2 songs we perfom with a female singer. Now that he's heard them, our male bass player/singer wants to sing Joni too! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:11:29 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Now that we have all done our one hand clapping routines (Which may account for Mitchell appearing in public as little as possible!!) Does anyone have any information on where, when or why she may or may not be giving a live performance somewhere this year? Hows about something related to her paintings? Please do not respond if it is a one hand clapping revisited! Thanks S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:48:05 -0500 From: Kay Ashley Subject: speaking of democracy VLJC Kate and Bob wrote: - ------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:09:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: speaking of democracy njc In a message dated 3/29/2003 12:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > (a) 0 > (b) zero > (c) none > (d) not a one > (e) a whole number between -1 and +1 > I wish the multiple choice in Cheistry 101 had been this easy! Ummm, all of the above? ;~) And this is a significant point. A Democracy works in America because we've got mostly middle class, with smaller groups of rich & poor (of course this is beginning to radically shift I'm afraid). In the countries you named, and in Iraq, there's virtually NO middle class, a small VERY rich and powerful class, and a HUGE poor class. Democracy would never work there. I don't know whether or not Bush realizes this, but I don't see any way he can "win" this particular conflict. Bob - ------------------------------ Hey, it's Kay, emerging from a long lurking state. Sorry I missed you guys last week at W2W, I was in NC for family reasons. I feel like the prodigal daughter returning home. ;-) I've been meaning to post a mild hello-type post for a while, since usually I emerge from the shadows with a bombastic political diatribe... but alas, I can't help myself. ;-) Kate, thanks for referencing William Blum. Anyone who wishes to know the truth of the impact of US foreign policy over the past 60 years needs to read his book "Killing Hope." (Not to mention "The Fire This Time" by Ramsey Clark, a book which offers a more accurate view of the first Gulf War (and the fact that it never really ended in the first place) than you will ever find in mainstream media.) Sorry to offend those who will disagree with me, but I must say that anyone who takes the mainstream media's word for it, not to mention the company line coming out of Washington, is just hopelessly misinformed about this conflict, its real motives, its complex historical roots and its likely long-term consequences. Bob, I totally concur re: the class issue; in addition, you bring up an interesting point by saying, "I don't know whether or not Bush realizes this, but I don't see any way he can "win" this particular conflict." I think that really, more to the point, the Bush administration has no intention of setting up a democracy in Iraq. In their view, "winning" consists of nothing more than ousting Hussein and taking control of Iraq's natural resources. And hang the long-term consequences. This is old-fashioned, arrogant imperialism, plain and simple. The statistics that Kate referenced speak louder than any of the rhetoric blowing out of Washington. They know full well that democracy can't work there, for precisely the reasons you cited, among others; but "making the world safe for democracy" is one of the oldest bits of wool to be pulled over the eyes of the American public in its relatively short history; it's a favorite chestnut that they have extremely successfully re-introduced to a public that really ought to know better. In other words, they are lying. (Did we learn nothing from Vietnam? Over 10 years of illegal warfare -- and Vietnam fell to the Communists anyway. And no, it wasn't the "unpatriotic" protestors' fault; it was the fault of arrogant men who, like the current administration, had a fatal hubris and disconnection from reality.) I don't even need to cite the current state of affairs in Afghanistan. But the current administration counts on the short attention span and the malleability of the average American. Sadly, their cynically low estimates of our intelligence and analytical ability are usually right. The older I get, the more I am convinced of the validity of my hypothesis regarding the Republicans: they always want to cut education funding before anything else because their hold on power is utterly dependent on the ignorance of the average American. The dumber we are, the more power they have. It's the only way I know to explain why people whose interests are NEVER served by the Republicans consistently vote for them. Or why this nation has tolerated the blatant coup d'etat that occurred in December 2000, courtesy of our politically motivated Supreme Court. Jingoistic rhetoric loves to fill the vacuum created by ignorance. And don't even get me started on Ashcroft and Poindexter. If we are not vigilant in exercising our right to voice dissent; if we are not vigilant in exercising our right to vote; in short, if we do not make sure that we kick these bums out in 2004, then democracy as we know it will be subject matter for the history books. This is not exaggeration. The "Patriot Act II" that Ashcroft is crafting in his Greek statue-less office, if passed by a compliant, fearful Congress, will destroy the balance of power that the Founding Fathers worked so hard to safeguard (and for which so many people died during the Revolutionary War). Patriot Act II will do irreparable damage to this country. It is the road to fascism. That is also not exaggeration. All of us, not just lefties, should be terrified by the prospects of an Executive Branch without effective checks and balances, not to mention terrified by a police force unfettered by laws protecting our civil rights. It rather makes one question just who's "patriotic", doesn't it? This country was founded by dissidents and revolutionaries, not complacent apologists for the status quo. These are extremely dangerous times we live in, and the health of our democracy will continue to deteriorate the more people feel it necessary to "fall in line" behind the president and not question our government's actions. What the more-patriotic-than-thou Hawks fail to appreciate is that the freedom to express dissident views is the very essence of democracy. So, in short, it's appallingly dishonest of the Bush administration to be waxing poetic about democracy and freedom in Iraq while here at home, they are busily destroying the freedoms that define us as a nation. I will be marching in DC on the 12th. My sign will say, "I Am Also Fighting to Protect American Freedom" on one side, and "Support Our Troops: Bring Them Home" on the other. On a lighter note, I have also recently rediscovered STAS (just bought the HDCD version), and it just blows me away, all over again. I wanna play Sisotowbell Lane at JoniFest! :-) Later! :-) Kay "The first job of a citizen is to keep your mouth open." ~ G|nter Grass ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:39:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: more (male) joni covers In a message dated 3/30/2003 12:53:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > Just came across 2 Joni covers by Richard Thompson (to whom I was turned on > by Debra Shea), downloaded from the web: Black Crow (so-so) and a very > interesting version of Woodstock. Laurent, just in case you didn't know...these would have been the performances he did on the TNT Joni tribute in 2000. He was only scheduled to do Black Crow (which I thought was much better than so-so, but maybe because I think Black Crow rocks), but took on Woodstock when Stone Temple Pilots had to cancel. I would have loved to hear STP doing Woodstock, it would have added a nice edge to the gig. Bob NP: 50 cent, "Till I Collapse - remix" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:52:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: speaking of democracy VLJC Hiya Kay, Sorry that I missed you when I was in NYC and I'm sorry for your loss. Thanks for checking in & especially for your well-written post. Sisotowbell Lane is an interesting song...I wonder if it's about a place that Joni actually experienced, or a place she imagined. I mean, I know the NAME is fictitious, just wondering what she's referencing. Bob NP: Saliva, "Always" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:10:24 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Song to a Seagull Ok I just got this sisotowbell song. Pretty cool. This version says part 2. is there a part1? Maybe one day I'll actually buy a cd then I'll actually know where songs come from and in what order they are supposed to go in. to my credit if I did buy it I would only lose it anyway ... I dunno if that's to my credit ... hmmmm. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Berghoff Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:50 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Song to a Seagull I would have to agree with Little Bird. I absolutely love Joni's early work, the clarity of the sound, the innocence and newness of her sound. I regularly play these early treats, and I'm glad someone else has been enjoying them, too! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:59:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull In a message dated 3/30/2003 7:10:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, theodore@buckfush.org writes: > Ok I just got this sisotowbell song. Pretty cool. This version says part > 2. is there a part1? This is most likefly in reference to the way Joni divided the album into 2 parts: Part 1 - I Came To The City, and Part 2 - Out Of The City And Down To The Seaside, with Sisotowbell Lane leading off Part 2. Bob NP: Broooce, "She's The One" 12/9/02 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #108 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)