From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #106 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 29 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 106 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- jonifest logo - a favour ["Ross, Les" ] collateral damage VLJC ["mike pritchard" ] Rachel Z story from 3/28 Newark Star-Ledger [Deb Messling ] Re: jonifest logo - a favour [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us... and the "shadows and light" biography ["] Iraq-sjc (little) [Ruth Davis ] JoniFest [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: Iraq-sjc (little) ["theodore" ] RE: JoniFest ["Maggie McNally" ] OT: ISO John van Tiel [Patti Witten ] Re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us... and the "shadows and light" biography [R] Song to a Seagull [Little Bird ] Re: Song to a Seagull [Doug ] Re: collateral damage VLJC [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:58:28 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: jonifest logo - a favour can anyone provide me with an image file for Joni's signature or point me where i can find one? thanks les the london lurker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:04:32 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: collateral damage VLJC Too busy working to keep in touch but wanted to offer some thoughts. I am thinking about making a mix with some of my favourite songs but I am always willing to listen to your suggestions for other songs. Here is what I have so far. Joni Mitchell - Collateral Damage Parties, Collateral Damage of Heart and Mind Curtis Mayfield - Collateral Damage Get Ready Barbra Streisand - Collateral Damage who need Collateral Damage Robert Plamer - Every kind of Collateral Damage Doors - Collateral Damage are Strange Brad Mehldau - The Collateral Damage who live on the hill Pat Metheny - Old Collateral Damage Who - The Collateral Damage are alright Bowie - Collateral Damage keep swinging Pet shop Boys - West End Collateral Damage "We, the Collateral Damage of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union... and you know there may be more... mike in bcn PS strange to see Bush Snr talking about barcelona yesterday... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:09:37 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Rachel Z story from 3/28 Newark Star-Ledger Rachel Z recalls influence of Joni Mitchell melodies Friday, March 28, 2003 BY ZAN STEWART Star-Ledger Staff "They freaked out. They knew the songs, they liked the arrangements, they stayed with us when we improvised. And I saw I could connect with people using the door of familiarity." Keyboardist Rachel Z, talking on her cell phone as she walks around her Manhattan SoHo neighborhood, is recalling the audience's reaction at London's Barbican Theatre last May, where she opened for singer Dee Dee Bridgewater before a crowd of 4,000. There, she and her trio gave the first live performance of jazz versions of Joni Mitchell tunes, songs she had just recorded and which were released last fall on the album, "Moon at the Window" (Tone Center). Since that debut, Z, a jazz-leaning artist who spans genres, having played with both jazz giant Wayne Shorter and progressive rocker Peter Gabriel, has found herself drawing a new audience. For example, at her performance at Trumpets in Montclair earlier this month, Susie Chankalian, one of Z's friends from the fifth grade at River View School in Denville, came by with her 12-year-old daughter, who read that Z was performing Mitchell material. "Susie sent me an e-mail, saying that they both really liked the arrangements," says Z, who was born Rachel Nicolazzo in Manhattan and moved to Denville at age 5. "These are people who wouldn't usually listen to jazz." Z, who shortened her name in the'80s when she was a member of the first-rate jazz/fusion band Steps Ahead, performs with her trio Tuesday and Wednesday at Sweet Rhythm in Greenwich Village. Teaming with bassist Nicki Parrott and drummer Bobbie Rae, Z will offer such well-known Mitchell tunes as "Big Yellow Taxi," "Both Sides Now" and "Help Me" and less-familiar ones like "Lakota" and "Chinese Man" during the first set. Then she'll break off into what she describes as "new standards" for the second, playing numbers by Gabriel, Lennon-McCartney and others. The Mitchell treatments have a melodic context for the audience and still offer the leader and her partners lots to dig into. For example, "All I Want" is done up-tempo. "That way, we get what we need in terms of a challenging improvised section and the people get a song they know and like which means something in their lives," Z says. "Ladies Man" is another number that was originally slow and is, in Z's hands, done fast. "Big Yellow Taxi" is given a buoyant treatment, says Z, even though the lyric is fairly dark -- "They paved paradise/Put up a parking lot." "Ultimately, the music is light- hearted, so we kept it more straight but with a jazz groove," Z says. "Chinese Cafi" is delivered slowly and emotively, as is perhaps Mitchell's best-known number, "Both Sides Now." The latter song was Z's introduction to Mitchell, when, in kindergarten at River View School, her teacher, Mrs. Windish, had the children sing it. "She also put on pageants twice a year, like doing 'Oklahoma,' getting little kids to sing and dance," recalls Z, who is a graduate of the New England Conservatory of Music. "She was really hip." Later, when Z was a student at Morris Knolls High School, she performed Mitchell's tunes at Tavern On The Green and The Greenhouse in Morristown with her friend, Lynne Harrison (now a holistic health specialist who lives in Verona). Z came to see the deeper meanings in the music. "Joni'd get through a relationship, wasn't afraid to reveal her pain and go on," Z says. "I felt I could do the same." The idea for the Mitchell project came after Z's previous album, 2000's "On the Milky Way Express," which is all Shorter tunes. "I wanted to do another concept album," says Z, who had met Mitchell briefly in the mid-'90s on a visit to her Bel Air, Calif., home with the saxophonist-composer. "And as I was in a singer/ songwriter phase myself, I also have a rock band called Peace Box, I started listening to Joni's 'Blue' again and realized I knew all these songs. It became clear what a big influence she'd been in my life." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 05:19:52 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: Misheard lyrics Misheard: "Sharon I left my man at a North Dakota junk shop" Actual: "Sharon I left my man at a North Dakota junction" From: "Song For Sharon" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:27:41 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonifest logo - a favour In a message dated 3/28/2003 4:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk writes: > can anyone provide me with an image file for Joni's > signature or point me > where i can find one? Hi Les! There are usually always signed items on ebay...here's a copy of Court & Spark with a pretty legible sig: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2519023295&category=1593 Bob NP: Joni, "Big Yellow Taxi" Boston 2/19/76 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:58:53 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us... and the "shadows and light" biography I suppose I will have to make a trip down to Chicago to see this. Not sure when yet, as I'm not very familiar with Chicago. Is there a website for the venue and/or performers with details such as club location? Anybody else interesting in tagging along? Also, Rob - Some of the small music clubs I frequent here in Milwaukee are The Reed Street Station, Linnemans, the Globe, Points East Pub, The Estate (jazz), and the Cactus Club (heavier rock sound). Also, the Coffee House has some good music, but because it is located in an old church basement in the Marquette University area, there is no alcohol served because of the student population. Great acoustic music there though! For those of you who are wondering when Karen O'brien's "Shadows and Light" biography of Joni will be available in the U.S., apparently it is already. I had a Barnes and Noble gift card, and "pre-ordered" the book on their website. At first I received an e-mail stating it would be held back until the end of April...now I just received another e-mail stating they just shipped it! From "Moon at the Window": Misheard: "At least they left the moon behind the pines" Actual: "At least they left the moon behind the blind" Mia _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:18:41 GMT From: Ruth Davis Subject: Iraq-sjc (little) While some of the discussion is focusing on Iraq, I'd like to share the following with you all. I worked Joni in at the end, although I had to alter her lyric slightly: ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE WAR This war sets a dangerous precedent. Iraq was not behind 9/11. We have no reason to believe there is an Al Qaeda link to Saddam Hussein. While Saddam is a brutal dictator, others exist in the world today. Will we go to war to depose all of them? You dont just march into a sovereign nation, no matter how corrupt, and overthrow its government. That is for the people of that country to do on their own, if they can. The potential backlash of a war with Iraq is a very real threat. Iraq, or groups sympathetic to Iraq, could easily initiate a retaliatory attack either against our allies in the Gulf region, or else here in the U.S. Who knows how many terrorists remain embedded in the U.S. Or, Iraq could sell its remaining chemical and biological weapons to various rogue terrorist groups. We have lost the support of many of our allies  France, Germany, etc. We are tarnishing the already weakened status of the UN. We are provoking France, Germany and Russia to struggle to assert themselves to keep us in check. Our image of fairness, of upholding international law, is tarnished as well. We are also refusing to face the real major cause of tension in the Middle East, namely, the Israeli/Palestinian situation. Fighting this war will be costly. The $75 billion Bush asked Congress for is just the first installment. Our economy is already weak now. The war will be a constant drain on our resources. That is exactly the thing that will please Osama bin Laden (remember him?): A constant drip, drip, drip of our resources dragging us down until we all go down the drain. Certainly, wherever he is, he must be pleased that we have launched our war against Iraq. Occupying and reforming Iraq, presuming we win, will be even more expensive than the war itself. Our presence in the region will be a constant thorn in the side of all the other Arab nations, who will be angered by our arrogance, interference and pride in believing we can dictate to another country the shape their government should take. You cant take democracy and shove it down peoples throats like a pill. Plus, democracy here in the U.S. is being eroded now. For additional study, check out this website: www.911pi.com ******************************************************************* When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind. - --J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, pp.51-52 Like a barbed wire fence, strung tight, strung tense, every notion we subscribe to, every pretense, is just a Borderline -- Joni Mitchell One love, one heart, lets get together and well feel all right. --Bob Marley Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: JoniFest It's getting warmer out. Do you know what that means? It's time to really, really start making your plans to come to JoniFest. (My apologies for no NJC, but I'd consider this Joni Content.) It will be the time of your life. REALLY! And, selfishly, I want to see all my friends from past Fests AND meet as many of you as possible in the lovely Catskill Mountains. just think... lazy summer afternoon... sipping wine coolers or martinis by the pool... listening to some Joni as done by our many talented JMDLers what could be better? looking forward to seeing you there! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:07:38 -0800 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Iraq-sjc (little) When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind. - --J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, pp.51-52 Like a barbed wire fence, strung tight, strung tense, every notion we subscribe to, every pretense, is just a Borderline -- Joni Mitchell One love, one heart, lets get together and well feel all right. --Bob Marley and the people in your neighborhood, would if they only could, meet and shake the other's hand, work together for the good of the land, and, say we got to have peace, to keep the world alive, with our voice the world knows there's no choice, we've got to have peace. - -- Curtis Mayfield are we going to commit our genocide before you check out your mind? - --Curtis Mayfield Ruth in Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:10:40 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: JoniFest Hey Anne, you forgot "...buying raffle tickets to support JM.com" in this email! You're forgiven. love, Maggie -----Original Message----- From: anne@sandstrom.com [mailto:anne@sandstrom.com] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:40 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: JoniFest It's getting warmer out. Do you know what that means? It's time to really, really start making your plans to come to JoniFest. (My apologies for no NJC, but I'd consider this Joni Content.) It will be the time of your life. REALLY! And, selfishly, I want to see all my friends from past Fests AND meet as many of you as possible in the lovely Catskill Mountains. just think... lazy summer afternoon... sipping wine coolers or martinis by the pool... listening to some Joni as done by our many talented JMDLers what could be better? looking forward to seeing you there! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:09:56 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: OT: ISO John van Tiel Sorry for the OT use of the list, but I've lost track of Uncle John and I was wondering if any of you have found him. I haven't been keeping up with the lists, so there may have been news that I missed. John, are you out there, or just "out there"? Thanks - -- Patti http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:58:35 EST From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: Re: Dark Cafe Days Amongst Us... and the "shadows and light" biography We are performing tonight FRIDAY @ 10:30 and then next month Sundays @ 9:00 The website for the club is davenportspianobar.com We're Foiled Again - check us out The song list hits four decades of her music from "The Gallery" to "Sunny Sunday" and all of the classics you love like "Last Time I Saw Richard" and "Help Me." We'd love to have some Joni freaks there! Rob - in the blue TV screen light ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Song to a Seagull What a beautiful experience it was to listen to Song To A Seagull at full volume on this bright spring day! I had, previously, not really given that album too much attention but something about the swirly, colourful drawings on the cover lured me in for a closer look. I was stilled by it. I was absolutely moved by its purity. Joni's voice is in its prime here - that unetched, sterling silver quality that she became famous for. Granted, the production of the album is a bit hissy (and I know that Joni and Mr. Crosby know that) but it still shines and radiates with beauty. I think David Crosby described listening to the album as a "poetic experience" in the "Life & Times" bio and he was so right. It's poetic lyrically but also musically: The simple but elegant arrangements of Cactus Tree, I Had a King and The Dawntreader, the playful piano on Night in the City and the meandering guitar work on Sisotowbell Lane. Wow! It's a gorgeous album. I have been submerged in Joni's post '74 work for so long that I had forgotten about her first forays into recording and I was so pleased this afternoon to hear the youthful wisdom of the early Joni shining on this album. - -Andrew PS: What does Sisotowbell stand for? I know it's in O'Brien's bio, but I don't feel like looking it up. Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:41:20 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull From the WMMR interview: So I've done this sort of Norman Rockwell near high school portrait of myself, and I'm losing interest in it very quickly and thinking -- wishing that I could run back to my colored ink and washes, things like the last album cover, which is the kind of thing I like to do. That's the style that's -- in a way that's the style that the POSALL and all these drawings I told you about are written. And I like to do drawings and then sort of like mythical drawing and then figure out what it is, like write a poem after I've done the drawing. It was from the drawings that I got the idea -- I wrote the sentence "perhaps our souls are little ladies" and realized that it spelled POSALL. And then I realized that you could make just wonderful words by making sentences, you know, by raising them that way. "Sisotowbell Lane" means "somehow in spite of trouble ours will be everlasting love." And I just took a thought and then kept working it until the vowels made a nice-sounding word, you know. Doug - who's still looking for the HDCD vaersion of Song To A Seagull Little Bird wrote: >What a beautiful experience it was to listen to Song >To A Seagull at full volume on this bright spring day! > > >I had, previously, not really given that album too >much attention but something about the swirly, >colourful drawings on the cover lured me in for a >closer look. > >I was stilled by it. I was absolutely moved by its >purity. Joni's voice is in its prime here - that >unetched, sterling silver quality that she became >famous for. Granted, the production of the album is a >bit hissy (and I know that Joni and Mr. Crosby know >that) but it still shines and radiates with beauty. > >I think David Crosby described listening to the album >as a "poetic experience" in the "Life & Times" bio and >he was so right. It's poetic lyrically but also >musically: The simple but elegant arrangements of >Cactus Tree, I Had a King and The Dawntreader, the >playful piano on Night in the City and the meandering >guitar work on Sisotowbell Lane. Wow! It's a gorgeous >album. > >I have been submerged in Joni's post '74 work for so >long that I had forgotten about her first forays into >recording and I was so pleased this afternoon to hear >the youthful wisdom of the early Joni shining on this >album. > >-Andrew > >PS: What does Sisotowbell stand for? I know it's in >O'Brien's bio, but I don't feel like looking it up. >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:55:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: collateral damage VLJC --- mike pritchard wrote: > Too busy working to keep in touch but wanted to > offer some thoughts. > I am thinking about making a mix with some of my > favourite songs but I am > always willing to listen to your suggestions for > other songs. Here is what I > have so far. > > Joni Mitchell - Collateral Damage Parties, etc. You were drunk when you wrote that, right? All you have to do is substitute "collateral damage" for every noun in any sentence; you could then substitute "damage collateraly" for every verb in the sentence. So "dog bites man" becomes "collateral damage damages collateral damage collateraly" (sometimes you have to move the adverb around.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #106 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)