From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #93 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, March 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 093 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Chinese Cafe [colin ] Re: Joni mention on NPR, Refuge of the Roads tidbit [colin ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #91 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Back to T'log [Catherine McKay ] Dark Cafe Days/Chicago Style ["kerry" ] "The ghost of my old ideals" ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Life and Times [steph@cix.co.uk (stephanie daniels)] Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" [Merk54@aol.com] Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] talk to me [Jkp1953@aol.com] Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni marathon in NYC ["PAUL PETERSON" ] HAppy ST Patricks DAY ["robin mortlock" ] Was "The ghost of my old ideals" now "The way it is" [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Chinese Cafe >It makes sense to me too, Colin. > >'Oh my love, my darling >I've hungered for your touch >A long lonely time >Time goes by so slowly >And time can do so much >Are you still mine? >I need your love >I need your love >God speed your love to me' > > > thanks for printing the wrods out mark. Yes, that is exactly why I thought it was about ther child. Of course only Joni knows why she used that song. I just always thoguth it was an odd choice for that song-it seemd incongruous to me but not now that we know about Kilueren. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:37:03 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni mention on NPR, Refuge of the Roads tidbit I noticed this too. i also noticed she sings about a 'boston jim', i think in Richard, and we have a Boston Jim on this list.(or had) Dan Olson wrote: > On All Things Considered today (Saturday), in a piece on rap or some > rap artist (I wasn't really paying attention) someone mentioned > something like "...it's not like we're selling 4 million albums like > Joni Mitchell..." > > Also, I noticed in Refuge of the Roads on T'Log, the line "I'll shine > on your witness taking refuge IN the roads" replaced the original > "Shine on your witness in the refuge OF the roads". > > Cheers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:27:26 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Back to T'log My copy of Travelogue hasn't moved from the CD player since last November! Raf - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch with absent friends. Download MSN Messenger for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:40:35 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #91 In a message dated 3/15/2003 8:23:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > From: Don Rowe > Subject: DED ... > > Good to see everyone still kicking the DED around > here. I'm with Don on this one - I always find it easy to listen to DED. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Back to T'log --- Raffaele Malanga wrote: > My copy of Travelogue hasn't moved from the CD > player since last > November! Meaning you listen to it all the time, or you just forgot it was still there? LOL. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:28:14 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Dark Cafe Days/Chicago Style My report is a little later than Susan's because I had to recover from too much fun in Chicago! I was a little fuzzy yesterday from 3 hours of sleep and a nasty hangover. (I haven't gotten out much this winter...) I don't have too much to add to Susan's detailed report. It was the first time I took the train down to Chicago and it was a really fun and non-stressful way to go! (And so appropriate to take a train to a Joni gathering!) Anyway, it was fun meeting Susan and her friends at The Closet. I think she knew everyone who came in the door! As she said, we ventured over to Davenport's, in a very interesting part of the city, and settled in for the show. I was impressed that the group did some of the more "obscure" songs and did them well. The highlights for me were The Gallery with beautiful harmonies that both women nailed, See You Sometime, Blue Motel Room and ACOY, which Rob sang solo and tagged a verse from BSN at the end. It was very emotional for me because I was missing my sweetheart from across the sea. :>) We had a nice time socializing with "Foiled Again" afterward and as Susan said, they were very excited about the JMDL and Joni fest. They'd be a nice addition! It was wonderful to see Susan again and meet up with Steve, Jeff, Dennis & co. and Jack. I had a great time chatting with Susan and Jack till closing time. We talked about music and bonded with the fact that we're all Harold and Maude fans! Thanks Susan for organizing this mini-fest and for your hospitality! I loved seeing your house and meeting feisty little Isabella. (Like mother, like "daughter?") Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:22:23 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: "The ghost of my old ideals" Sorry if this has already been mentioned: I've been floating in and out of this thread, and the list, for the last couple of days. But didn't Joni write a song very early in her career for CBC, or maybe something that was picked up by one particular CBC station? I think I got that from the now out-of-print Lenore Fleischer biography, circa 1976. At any rate, I always pictured Joni in some hotel room in Canada, years later, late at night, listening to that old song. Mary P. P.S. I, too, have always heard "ideals," and always will. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (stephanie daniels) Subject: Life and Times Hi everyone I'm new and would love to know if I can get a copy of 'Life and Times' over here in the UK. Any help welcome. Thanks Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:53:59 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" When ever I hear this line, I imagine Joni watching some old rerun of say the Donna Reed show, or some other classic 50s/60s family sitcom. Father Knows Best - that sort thing. The idealized family portrait. It has always sounded like a follow up to Song For Sharon to me, where as a little girl, she has this dream of getting married, and living a 'perfect' life. As she grows up, her goals change, and she realizes that she was just chasing dreams. Then while watching TV one day, this rerun comes on, and she flashes back on how that ideal used to appeal to her. She no longer aspires to that vision of life, but seeing it again on TV, she's some how haunted by it. To me, what's so powerful about that short, simple line is that it can apply to so many situations. Who hasn't had dreams, ideals, or ambitions that at one time seemed unshakable, yet over time you either out grew them, or even worse, simply abandoned them. I have no idea if this is what Joni actually meant, but I get goosebumps every time I hear this line. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:44:20 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" In a message dated 3/16/2003 12:22:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > But didn't Joni write a song very early in her career for CBC, or maybe > something that was picked up by one particular CBC station? I think I got > that from the now out-of-print Lenore Fleischer biography, > circa 1976. Yes, that would be "The Way It Is", which she wrote (and performed) for the CBC show of the same name. The JMDL video tree has a couple different versions of her singing it. She also performed it in her stage act, at least she did in January at Club 47, with a story about the whole experience. The melody is a bit challenging, but rewards repeated listenings, and lyrically it's very cool, and very politically charged: http://www.jonimitchell.com/TheWayItIsUnLyrics.html Bob NP: Steve Miller Band, "Dance, Dance, Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:51:14 EST From: Jkp1953@aol.com Subject: talk to me talk to me" is always one of the several joni mitchell songs that i include. as a guitar player, i find her guitar work on that song to be utterly amazing. her sense of rhythm is incredible. it's almost dangerous for me to drive when that song is blasting in the car. so, perhaps people could overlook the attempt at humor or the self-deprecating lyrics and just get into the rhythmic experimentation that is so apparent on the song. just a suggestion. :-) NO ONE plays guitar like joni. NO ONE. it's just one of the reasons that joni RULES welcome terry. you read my mind when the subject is joni's genius guitar work on 'talk to me'. i can't recall a better example of what bob dylan was quoted as having said regarding joni's work (o'brien's bio.) "joni's got a strange sense of rhythm that's all her own". joni's unique rhythm, it's ability to be so unpredictable is certainly one of the signatures on her work, and the quality i most admire. together with her writing, she is unmatched. period. i particularly like the lyrics in TTM. i always thought her observation meant that she was really woo-wooed by a guy who was especially quiet.....not at all the talker she is. and that she did so much of the talking............shut me up.......and YOU talk to ME. so she made fun of herself for the imbalance there. imho. one last point. thanks to the listas for reminding me of '''the fiddle and the drum". how fitting and proper today. i hadn't thought of that song for a while because i tend to prefer joni's later stuff. Peace. janet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:25:23 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "The ghost of my old ideals" > Yes, that would be "The Way It Is", which she wrote (and performed) > for the CBC show of the same name. The JMDL video tree has a couple > different versions of her singing it. She also performed it in her > stage act, at least she did in January at Club 47, with a story about > the whole experience. Could this have been a pre-cursor of 'Borderline'?\ I've always thought Joni had seen an old movie on the tube, maybe something with very noble characters and a very sharply defined conflict between good and evil. With a romantic subplot thrown in, of course! Mark E. in Seattle - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:54:48 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Joni marathon in NYC I haven't been reading all the posts lately, so maybe this has been discussed, but does anyone know anything about, or have plans to attend the Joni Mitchell marathon in NYC at Symphony Space next Saturday? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:47:46 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: HAppy ST Patricks DAY To ALL Happy St Patricks DAY to everyone involved in this list. I am in Cork City (rebel county) in Republic of Ireland...... Good Luck RObin Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Was "The ghost of my old ideals" now "The way it is" --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Yes, that would be "The Way It Is", which she wrote > (and performed) for the CBC show of the same name. > The JMDL video tree has a couple different versions > of her singing it. She also performed it in her > stage act, at least she did in January at Club 47, > with a story about the whole experience. > > The melody is a bit challenging, but rewards > repeated listenings, and lyrically it's very cool, > and very politically charged: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/TheWayItIsUnLyrics.html > I've never heard the song, so don't know what the melody is like. But reading the lyrics, it seems like it could be a rap song to me! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:26:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Chicken Squawlkin, Chinese Cafe, T'Log For what it's worth, my two cents on a few of the topics that have been rhubarbed over the past several days: I want to throw my vote in with the pro-"Talk to Me" folks. I like it. I think it's lyrically clever and I like JM's vocal. I also think it's a very good portrayal of someone in love enough to humiliate herself - and if you've never been in that position yourself, just wait. As for Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody, it's been one of my favorite Joni records since the release of Wild Things, but the first time I heard the version on T'log, it brought tears to my eyes. I don't know how you all feel, but I love Joni's deep contralto voice even more than I loved her girly soprano of old. Such richness, and such wisdom and experince behind it. Re: T'log, I don't think anyone has yet pointed out that the great pop and jazz singers of the early-to-mid-20th century were known for recording the same songs many times over the course of a long career (see Frank, Ella, Billie, etc.). I think T'log is like that. I admit, I do have to be in a certain mood for some of the more turgid songs, but overall I think it's an admirable album. As for future music from Joni, I guess only she knows ... Peace, y'all. Larry D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:47:33 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: DED ... In a message dated 3/15/03 8:28:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > Those who remember me already know that I > consider the much-maligned pooch one of Joni's finest > efforts. There, I've said it again, and darnit all > I'm still proud of it! > Thanks, Don. I wished I'd said that. As many of you know, it was DED that brought me back to Joni after I jumped ship in the post Mingus era. To this day, it's my favorite of her album efforts. I connected to DED through the LA radio station I was listening to at the time, which played Ethiopia and Shiny Toys in decent rotation. I was stunned and delighted that it was Joni. I thought it was, but, it had been a while since I had heard anything of her works. At the time, the station I listened to didn't announce what they were playing -- you had to call them up. The announcer told the story of my call on the air later that night. I think I said something about her voice sounding so different. Anyway, DED brought me back full force and made me seek out what I missed in my absence. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:02:39 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 17 1967: Joni performed at the Second Fret in Philadelphia and was interviewed by Ed Sciaky. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=606 1988: Timothy White interviewed Joni in a studio in North Hollywood. The interview remained unpublished until it was later used in a book called "Rock Lives". More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=390 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:02:39 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 17 On March 17 the following items were published: 1967: "Interview with Ed Sciaky" - WMMR (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=606 1988: "Joni Mitchell Interview" - Book (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=390 1991: "Joni Mitchell Finds The Peace of Middle Age" - New York Times (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=217 1998: "Morrison Rejoins Tour" - Addicted To Noise website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=45 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #93 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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