From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #89 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 089 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Wall to Wall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wall to Wall [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Wall to Wall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] More Wall to Wall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wall to Wall [Randy Remote ] Re: Wall to Wall [Brian Gross ] Re: CBC Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Wall to Wall [Randy Remote ] "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? [Andrew] Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? ["] Small Contribution to The Library, how do I submit article? [Andrew Smith] Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REALdifference? [Ran] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2003 Raffle! ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? [] Re: Miles of Aisles query [Scott Price ] Re: Miles of Aisles query ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Miles of Aisles query [Doug ] Re: Miles of Aisles query [Doug ] Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? [R] Re: The origins of 'Tax Free' ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:08:44 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wall to Wall This event is about a week away - I'm getting very psyched!! For those who may be interested, besides the Saturday event there will be a group of us taking in the Matisse/Picasso exhibit at MOMA on Sunday. Obviously, all are welcome...I'm sure there will be lots of good food & conversation as well! Thanks to Paul M. who's putting me up Friday night, and Bob's Art who's putting up with me Saturday night. JMDLer's RULE!! Also, for those of you going to W2W, Symphony Space is offering a "Priority Admission" for 2 for those making a $50 donation prior to March 22. See the website for details: http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 I went ahead and took the plunge, it's a donation for a good cause plus I wanted to make sure I got in! :~P Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Lonely Ol' Night" (3/18/99) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:20:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Bob, it hadn't occurred to me that one might not be able to get in to Wall to Wall. So I did some checking and the theater seats 760. Yikes! That is tiny. I read that at past Wall to Wall events there was a line outside the door all day long and that once you get inside the presenters try and cajole people to leave and let other folks in. I don't know about you, but I was going to stay all freaking day! Has anybody gone to one of these before? Jenny SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:This event is about a week away - I'm getting very psyched!! For those who may be interested, besides the Saturday event there will be a group of us taking in the Matisse/Picasso exhibit at MOMA on Sunday. Obviously, all are welcome...I'm sure there will be lots of good food & conversation as well! Thanks to Paul M. who's putting me up Friday night, and Bob's Art who's putting up with me Saturday night. JMDLer's RULE!! Also, for those of you going to W2W, Symphony Space is offering a "Priority Admission" for 2 for those making a $50 donation prior to March 22. See the website for details: http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 I went ahead and took the plunge, it's a donation for a good cause plus I wanted to make sure I got in! :~P Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Lonely Ol' Night" (3/18/99) Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:31:30 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wall to Wall In a message dated 3/13/2003 10:20:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > Bob, it hadn't occurred to me that one might not be able > to get in to Wall to Wall. Well, I always assume the worst because that's typically what happens with me! :~( Anyway, I'd hate to pay for airfare (which I've already done) and get there just to wait outside and miss it. The box office opens at 11:00 AM today, I intend to call them and get some definites. In the meantime, this entire event WILL be broadcast on FM radio, so if someone from the area who's not planning on attending will step up and tape the whole thing, I'll be happy to transfer it to CD, or of course it could be recorded direct to cd if you've got the right stuff. Bob NP: Mellencamp, "the breakout" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:35:13 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: More Wall to Wall OK, I talked to the box office, here's some more info: There will be reserved orchestra seats for those donors who fork over $125, per the website. They will have a separate box office for "Priority Admission" for "Friends", which is what you get for $50. If you do it online you'll need to follow-up by phone to get a membership number. If you have a membership you don't need to wait in the general line. They'll begin letting folks in around 10:45. Seats are first come, first served. There's no eating in the theater, but they do have a cafe in the complex. They won't force anyone out, but if you abandon your seats they become fair game. I'm assuming that if you're with someone they can save your seat if you go to the bathroom, etc. The lady I spoke to seemed shocked that I was intending to stay for the entire 12-hour presentation...I tried as best I could to explain my bizarre obsession with Joni covers. :~) She did confirm that the ENTIRE show would be broadcast on the radio. For last years W2W (Richard Rodgers) they released a CD. They will NOT be doing that this year as they could not secure the royalties/rights/whatever. Anyway, I feel a bit more secure now than I did this morning... Bob NP: Mellencamp, "Just Like You" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:59:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Wall to Wall SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In the meantime, this entire event WILL be broadcast on FM radio, so if someone from the area who's not planning on attending will step up and tape the whole thing, What station? Do they stream on the web? And why does that sound messy? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:31:39 -0500 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Wall to Wall guitarzan@direcpc.com wrote: >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In the meantime, this entire event WILL be broadcast on FM radio, so if someone from the area who's not planning on attending will step up and tape the whole thing, > > >What station? Do they stream on the web? And why does that sound >messy? > > WFUV-FM, 90.7 mhz from Fordham University in NYC Yes, they do stream, www.wfuv.org Brian np: Todd Mundt show (hello Yael!) - -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:36:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: CBC Joni $24.98- not a bad price especially for usa to canadian conversion...i'd purchase it right to be able to see it after all the raves but it will not be released until may :~{ - pbs is due to broadcast it apr 2nd & i am BUMMED! i have a gig that night...hopefully they will rebroadcast it later cuz we haven't had any luck recording on our ancient vcr... i LOVE the photo of joni on the cbc site! joyful smile & flowers in her hair... >>If you click on this link, it will take you to the CBC site, with info on how to order your own studio quality copy: http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:15:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Thanks, Brian- wfuv looks like a great station- Here's a page about the event, with the full schedule (show starts Mar 22, 11 AM EST) & just noticed that Bebel Gilberto will be one of the performers. http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 Brian Gross wrote: > guitarzan@direcpc.com wrote: > >> SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> In the meantime, this entire event WILL be broadcast on FM radio, so >> if someone from the area who's not planning on attending will step >> up and tape the whole thing, >> >> What station? Do they stream on the web? And why does that sound >> messy? >> > WFUV-FM, 90.7 mhz from Fordham University in NYC > Yes, they do stream, www.wfuv.org > > Brian > > np: Todd Mundt show (hello Yael!) > > -- > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:42:09 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Smith Subject: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? Hi Listers: You guys have already been great, and I appreciate all of your help and comments. Now I have a question: Are the newer-released "HDCD"s really superior to the original releases? I have a few of both and I am not sure that I can tell the difference from a strictly audiophile point of view. I notice that they advertise that all of the original liner notes and artwork are included on these releases, but I had never noticed that this was missing from the earlier releases. Anwyay, I am decided if I need to switch out Hejira, Hissing, C&S, For the Roses, for the newer releases so thanks, in advance, for your suggestions and Cheers Andy Smith, Greenbrae, CA (relishing again attending June, 1983 concert at Concord Pavilion) ===== Andrew J. Smith andy.smith@iracema.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:02:28 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? Hi Andrew, When I first got 'Hits' I was amazed at the sound quality considering they are mostly old recordings. I didn't think songs before the 90's could sound so crystal clear. It's true that most of her albums must have been recorded well in the first place but I'm sure HDCD is better. The Geffen albums which haven't been remastered on HDCD don't sound as good. No matter how loud it turn up the volume 'Moon At The Window' and 'A Bird That Whistles' just sound too quiet! I replaced C&S with a HDCD version when I was in NY and noticed it was alot clearer and of course the booklet is so much better. I also had to replace THOSL to HDCD because it is my fave but was disappointed that the back cover is just the same as the back of the booklet and the picture of the houses was no where to be seen! Also the point where 'The Boho Dance' and 'Harry's House...' joins is different (better or worst I don't know). I think there is a bit of crackle on the HDCD version at the beginning of 'Harry's House...' which isn't on the original version. I don't think it is on the Misses HDCD version though!? Strange. All in all though I think HDCD is the best option. I can't imagine what the non HDCD version of STAS sounds like!? STEVE T NP: Jesus Was A Cross Maker (BBC live) ~ Judee Sill (American, folky and interesting) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? > Hi Listers: > You guys have already been great, and I appreciate all > of your help and comments. Now I have a question: > Are the newer-released "HDCD"s really superior to the > original releases? I have a few of both and I am not > sure that I can tell the difference from a strictly > audiophile point of view. > I notice that they advertise that all of the original > liner notes and artwork are included on these > releases, but I had never noticed that this was > missing from the earlier releases. > Anwyay, I am decided if I need to switch out Hejira, > Hissing, C&S, For the Roses, for the newer releases so > thanks, in advance, for your suggestions and > Cheers > Andy Smith, Greenbrae, CA > (relishing again attending June, 1983 concert at > Concord Pavilion) > > ===== > Andrew J. Smith > andy.smith@iracema.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Smith Subject: Small Contribution to The Library, how do I submit article? Dear Listers: I have uncovered a concert review by Peter Stack of the SF Chronicle, dated June 14, 1983. He is reviewing her concert at the Concord Pavilion. Since this is not yet part of The Library, how would I submit this? Thanks Andy Smith, (trying to make my own, small contribution ===== Andrew J. Smith andy.smith@iracema.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:22:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REALdifference? Andrew Smith wrote: > > Are the newer-released "HDCD"s really superior to the > original releases? The ones with the biggest difference are Song To a Seagull and Court and Spark. In the case of STAS, the difference is quite dramatic. C&S was also an especially bad sounding CD in it's original release, so the remaster was welcome. Other titles, like For The Roses are something of an improvement, but I had to compare them repeatedly with headphones to notice the slightly silkier high end. If you have a CD player with the HDCD circuitry (I do not) you will probably notice even better sound quality. RR ps In the case of Blue, if you love this album, the gold version is worth the extra bucks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:36:44 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2003 Raffle! Thank you, Mr. Lamadoo, and thank you all for your responses. Keep them coming in. A favor, please. When you reply to me (or the group) about what you are considering, what you are donating, questions about the raffle, or anything else related to the raffle, could you please put in the subject in great big caps RAFFLE. I often have to pass on reading my JMDL and Northeast Jonifest posts - worker bee that I am - and need help to make sure I don't miss any of these so I can respond quickly. So please, just as you try real hard to remember NJC (is this NJC? I couldn't decide - sorry if anyone is offended, but since it involves the whole community I decided it was JC, of sorts), try to remember RAFFLE. Thanks. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: jlamadoo@fuse.net [mailto:jlamadoo@fuse.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:06 PM To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2003 Raffle! I'm donating a first-edition copy of Karen O'Brien's book and a promotional LP copy of "For The Roses". Dig deep. Lama To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:43:22 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Small Contribution to The Library, how do I submit article? At 3/13/2003 02:32 PM, Andrew Smith wrote: >I have uncovered a concert review by Peter Stack of >the SF Chronicle, dated June 14, 1983. He is >reviewing her concert at the Concord Pavilion. Since >this is not yet part of The Library, how would I >submit this? Andrew and all future submitters - Simply send the text of the article to me at this address - any format on the text is fine. Also, if there are photos and you can scan them, send them along as well. Always looking for Library contributions! Thanks, Les NP: Paul Westerberg "No Place For You" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni Mitchell: a woman of heart & mind - DVD order info details Here's the response I got to an inquiry I sent re: the Joni Mitchell video. It seems to be a stock response, as I asked them a few other questions that they didn't bother answering - jeez, don'tya hate that? They're quoting shipping and handling of only $2.00 and I don't think they're paying attention to where people live, because a UK lister told me he got the same form. Also, I think it's JUST DVD, and not available in VHS (unless they neglected to mention it.) Anyhoo, here are the details they provided: - ---------------------------------------------------- Many thanks for your enquiry regarding the Joni Mitchell DVD. The DVD will be released toward the end of May 2003 in Canada by EMI. The program is published by Eagle Vision and will be released in the United States by Eagle Vision. EMI will be distributing the program through its retail and distribution network in May. THA is taking advance order from the CBC web site, I am attaching the ordering details. Dear MANY THANKS FOR YOUR ORDER OF JONI MITCHELL: WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND. The Release date of this program is May 20, 2003. The Program features both parts 1 and 2 as seen on CBCs Life And Times series, plus some additional material. The cost to purchase the program is: $24.98 Gst: 1.75 Pst: 2.00 Shipping & Handling: 2.00 Total 30.73 You my send a cheque or money order for this amount to: THA Inc. 90 A Isabella Street Toronto, Ontario M4Y 1N4 Tel. 416-925-3766 Fax 416-925-3116 Email: tominternatonal@msn.com I am sorry, we cannot accept credit cards. Thank-you for you interest in our Joni Mitchell DVD! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:37:06 +0200 From: jop Subject: Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? steve@hatstand.org wrote: > I replaced C&S with a HDCD version when I was in NY and > noticed it was alot > clearer and of course the booklet is so much better. I also > had to replace > THOSL to HDCD because it is my fave but was disappointed > that the back cover > is just the same as the back of the booklet and the picture > of the houses > was no where to be seen! Also the point where 'The Boho > Dance' and 'Harry's > House...' joins is different (better or worst I don't know). > I think there > is a bit of crackle on the HDCD version at the beginning of > 'Harry's > House...' which isn't on the original version. I don't think > it is on the > Misses HDCD version though!? Strange. > I remember noticing when I got the 'normal' CD, that while the change from Boho to Harry is musically the same, on vinyl it changed at a different place - is that what you're talking about? The change from Centerpiece back to Harry sounds kind of "unnatural" to me, like it's a bad editing job... I suppose it's like that on all versions of the album? Can't hear any cracking at the beginning of Harry... I have the US pressing. Advice to the original HDCD "inquierer": if you're in Europe, you have to check if you get the 'repackaged' artwork. I have yet to see European HDCD's with the restored art. So far I've seen quite a few Euro HDCD's with large golden stickers on front, but the art is always the boring old one. Anyone who has an extra copy of the Shadows And Light double HDCD -- I'm a potential buyer! It's the last HDCD I have to find... - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:05:57 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: mystery list (vljc) Hi everyone. Yesterday I was shopping in J.Jill when I noticed that I really liked the music that was playing. One song in particular caught my fancy, but I didn't ask what was playing until 2 songs later, when it was Allison Krauss. I begged the sales person to tell me what was on the CD. She pulled out a list several pages long. I was perplexed (but I think I figured that out.) Anyway, I look over her shoulder at the list to see that the song 2 previous was Joni's Shiny Toys. She started to say, oh that must be it. I assured her that if anyone could identify JM's Shiny Toys it was me. We both concluded that the songs are played in random order. So my question. I seem to recall that someone on the JMDL was involved in retail music programming. I've asked J.Jill customer service, but so far they suggest that it's the 10 song CD they have for sale. But it's definitely not. I swear there were about 200 songs on this list. I WANT THE LIST!!! Oh, and I'm very happy to see some Joni other that one of the most played songs in rotation like this. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:08:38 +0000 From: "J Harney" Subject: Miles of Aisles query I still have the vinyl edition of "Miles of Aisles," culled (not stolen) from the collection of my high school radio station in Stowe, VT., way back in the early 80s. I haven't listened closely to a CD version of same, but my question is about what Joni says at the end of the band introduction. After having introduced all the players from the L.A. Express, she pauses before including herself in the group. At this point, the band starts playing and very quickly she adds "...and me, the chur[?]." It sounds like she's saying "chur" to me, but I must be off the mark since that seems to make no sense. Can someone with good ears identify what it is she says at this point in the recording? Many thanks. Jack - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:13:49 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? I have the non HDCD version of STAS. I can tell you it is extremely noisey and you can even hear 60 Hz hum . I went to my favorite CD store last week to get the HDCD version, found one with a sticker that said "Digitally Remastered - HDCD" . Thanks to a tip from Randy Remote I was suspicious, asked the clerk to open it up and sure enough it did not say "HDCD" on the disk. A clear case of false advertising. Beware. Doug Stephen Toogood wrote: >All in all though I think HDCD is the best option. I can't imagine what the >non HDCD version of STAS sounds like!? > >STEVE T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:07:01 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Miles of Aisles query At 01:08 AM 3/14/2003 +0000, J Harney wrote: >she adds "...and me, the chur[?]." It sounds like she's saying "chur" I always thought she was calling herself in a humble and whimsical manner the "chirp." Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:30:29 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Miles of Aisles query I always thought she said, "And Me, the Chirp" as that she is like a bird singing and/or talking alot. Most of us who have seen her live or have heard bootlegs we all know that her in between banter has always been the fun part of the show. So, chirping could be referring to both singing and talking. Blair NP:Stoned Soul Picnic: Nyro, Laura >> >I still have the vinyl edition of "Miles of Aisles," culled (not stolen) >from the collection of my high school radio station in Stowe, VT., way >back in the early 80s. I haven't listened closely to a CD version of >same, but my question is about what Joni says at the end of the band >introduction. After having introduced all the players from the L.A. >Express, she pauses before including herself in the group. At this >point, the band starts playing and very quickly she adds "...and me, the >chur[?]." It sounds like she's saying "chur" to me, but I must be off >the mark since that seems to make no sense. Can someone with good ears >identify what it is she says at this point in the recording? Many >thanks. > >Jack > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:38:07 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Miles of Aisles query Sounds to me: " And meet: the troop" But that's just me. Doug Blair Fraipont wrote: > I always thought she said, "And Me, the Chirp" as that she is > like a bird singing and/or talking alot. Most of us who have seen her > live or have heard bootlegs we all know that her in between banter has > always been the fun part of the show. So, chirping could be referring > to both singing and talking. > Blair > NP:Stoned Soul Picnic: Nyro, Laura > > > > > > >>> >> I still have the vinyl edition of "Miles of Aisles," culled (not stolen) >> from the collection of my high school radio station in Stowe, VT., way >> back in the early 80s. I haven't listened closely to a CD version of >> same, but my question is about what Joni says at the end of the band >> introduction. After having introduced all the players from the L.A. >> Express, she pauses before including herself in the group. At this >> point, the band starts playing and very quickly she adds "...and me, the >> chur[?]." It sounds like she's saying "chur" to me, but I must be off >> the mark since that seems to make no sense. Can someone with good ears >> identify what it is she says at this point in the recording? Many >> thanks. >> >> Jack >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:41:00 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Miles of Aisles query Correction: "And meet: the troupe" Doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:26:24 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "HDCD"'s versus original issue CD's; what is the REAL difference? Doug- where did this take place? There have been other instances in Europe +/or UK where the old version was repackaged-though I have not heard of it happening in the US. The real HDCD will have the rectangular HDCD logo on the disc itself, regardless of the packaging. Doug wrote: > I have the non HDCD version of STAS. I can tell you it is extremely > noisey and you can even hear 60 Hz hum . > I went to my favorite CD store last week to get the HDCD version, found > one with a sticker that said > "Digitally Remastered - HDCD" . Thanks to a tip from Randy Remote I was > suspicious, asked the clerk to > open it up and sure enough it did not say "HDCD" on the disk. A clear > case of false advertising. Beware. > > Doug > > Stephen Toogood wrote: > > >All in all though I think HDCD is the best option. I can't imagine what the > >non HDCD version of STAS sounds like!? > > > >STEVE T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:18:03 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: The origins of 'Tax Free' Owen, I'm behind in posts but wanted to comment further. The premise you raised had me mulling this all over the past few days. I did originally interpret Tax Free to be criticizing the crass opportunism of the TV evangelists. I previously thought the Rod Steiger bit at the end seemed out of place in the theme, except that it was an well-done artistic device, almost farcical, used to portray a type of narrow-minded, fire and brimstone, tent revival style preacher. I see now from Joni's remarks that her point was more about separation of church and state. I read a few articles about Robertson the other night (tried my best to not pay any attention to him in the 80s) and apparently he may well have been crossing the line in a big way by getting involved in political situations in Central and South America at the time through his missionary operations. When others have to pay for airtime to put forth their political beliefs, it is unfair that another group can put forth their opinions for free - tax free. So Joni is right either way on this principle. On the other hand, by making the point by somehow implying that those who railed against the actions of Castro, Khomeni and Kaddafi are somehow wrong or bad is a whole other, perplexing to me, question. I just can't see that those preachers or politicians would be motivated to think they would have to convince their congregations that those guys are not so cool. They would probably already be preaching to the choir. I think a lot of people have short memories (myself included since I had to refresh mine on this) but Khomeni and Kaddafi were some of the principal brokers of terrorist attacks against Americans in the '80s. From 1979 to 1989 they or their collaborators were behind around 20 terrorist acts (bombings of embassies, military barracks, ships, hijackings) against Americans and others abroad. They were the Bin Ladens of their day. This brings me back to what Bobsart posted in his critique of the song a few days ago. The song is great in many ways and the sentiment in general was right, but the way she expressed it in part did apparently show her biases and it does not give a more universal assessment of the topics she raises. It ultimately falls short in that regard. 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