From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #86 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 086 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: calling all Joni wannabes ["Sarah Cartwright" ] joni and the chicken (sjc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: calling all Joni wannabes [Jeff Koko ] Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) [Brian Gross ] Who is (was) Gisele MacKenzie? (now SJC) ["c Karma" ] covers #38 revelations [Mags N Brei ] CBC Part 2 spoiler ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: covers #38 revelations [FMYFL@aol.com] euro grass does woodstock [Mags N Brei ] Re: euro grass does woodstock [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Haight Ashbury music help (with joni content now) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: euro grass does woodstock [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] About "Woman of Heart and Mind" [Little Bird ] Blue Tapestry ["Stephen Toogood" ] senator byrd pc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Blue Tapestry [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: senator byrd pc [Gerald Notaro ] Re: senator byrd pc [David Sadowski ] Re:Blue Tapestry [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Blue Tapestry [Chris Marshall ] The origins of 'Tax Free' ["o" ] Woman of Heart and Mind ["Rache A" ] origins of 'Tax Free'/Joni & religion [vince ] Part 2 is on now in the Eastern Time Zone! [] Joni in Detroit [Gary Zack ] Part 2 - I'm overwhelmed! [Little Bird ] joni and the chicken 100% jc [] joni and the chicken ["Kate Bennett" ] euro grass does woodstock ["kerry" ] RE: joni and the chicken ["Heather" ] RE: joni and the chicken ["Heather" ] CBC Joni, Part Two ["michael o'malley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:51:42 +0000 From: "Sarah Cartwright" Subject: Re: calling all Joni wannabes sorry, i always seem to be 2 days behind everyone else in posting and by that time everyone else has moved on but anyway....i loved the thread on the joni wannabes and thought i would share the fact that my boss ( mind you, he was drunk...) at my xmas party just passed, said to me half way through the meal, " I've just realised who it is you remind me of Sarah, Joni Mitchell". Could I believe it??!! I think to this day he does not quite realise the impact that had on me. Unfortunately, however I think he may have been clutching at straws with the long blonde hair, and piano playing traits, seeing as i certainly would not even put myself anywhere near Ms Mitchell on that score but anyway, it put a smile on my face for a good few days after!! bye for now, sarah ( with absolutely no sign of cheekbones whatsoever) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send instant messages for free with MSN Messenger. Click here to download it now! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:39:41 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni and the chicken (sjc) What would Joni say about the chicken? Marianne >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:39:03 -0500 >From: "patrick leader" >Subject: FW: chickens - njc >GEORGE W. BUSH We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or it is against us. There is no middle ground here. AL GORE I invented the chicken. I invented the road. Therefore, the chicken crossing the road represented the application of these two different functions of government in a new, reinvented way designed to bring greater services to the American people. COLIN POWELL Now at the left of the screen, you clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road. HANZ BLIX We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed access to the other side of the road. MOHAMMED ALDOURI (Iraq ambassador) The chicken did not cross the road. This is a complete fabrication. We don't even have a chicken. SADDAM HUSSEIN This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it RALPH NADER The chicken's habitat on the original side of the road had been polluted by unchecked industrialist greed. The chicken did not reach the unspoiled habitat on the other side of the road because it was crushed by the wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV. PAT BUCHANAN To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American. RUSH LIMBAUGH I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but I'll bet it was getting a government grant to cross the road, and I'll bet someone out there is already forming a support group to help chickens with crossing-the-road syndrome. Can you believe this? How much more of this can real Americans take? Chickens crossing the road paid for by their tax dollars, and when I say tax dollars, I'm talking about your money, money the government took from you to build roads for chickens to cross. MARTHA STEWART No one called to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the farmer's market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information. JERRY FALWELL Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't you people see the plain truth in front of your face? The chicken was going to the other side. That's what they call it -- the other side. Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like the other side. DR. SEUSS Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, The chicken crossed the road, But why it crossed, I've not been told! ERNEST HEMINGWAY To die. In the rain. Alone. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. GRANDPA In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us. BARBARA WALTERS Isn't that interesting? In a few moments we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart-warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting and went on to accomplish its life-long dream of crossing the road. JOHN LENNON Imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace. ARISTOTLE It is the nature of chickens to cross the road. KARL MARX It was an historical inevitability. VOLTAIRE I may not agree with what the chicken did, but I will defend to the death its right to do it. RONALD REAGAN What chicken? CAPTAIN KIRK To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. FOX MULDER You saw it cross the road with your own eyes! How many more chickens have to cross before you believe it? SIGMUND FREUD The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. BILL GATES I have just released eChicken 2003, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook - - and Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of eChicken. ALBERT EINSTEIN Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move beneath the chicken? BILL CLINTON I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you mean by chicken? Could you define chicken, please? COLONEL SANDERS I missed one?< _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:53:49 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) In a message dated 3/11/2003 10:39:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: > What would Joni say about the chicken? That it's a chicken of Heart & Mind, crossing, and traveling traveling traveling a lonely road with no eggs to raise. Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "See The Sky Again" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Koko Subject: Re: calling all Joni wannabes Hmmmm... reminds me of my ex-girlfriend. A dead-ringer for a young Joni. In fact, before I knew her name I used to call her Joni. Think of a real-life cover of "Clouds." The high cheek bones, the brilliant huge smile, long blonde hair. - --- Sarah Cartwright wrote: > sorry, i always seem to be 2 days behind everyone else in posting and > by > that time everyone else has moved on but anyway....i loved the thread > on > the joni wannabes and thought i would share the fact that my boss ( > mind > you, he was drunk...) at my xmas party just passed, said to me half > way > through the meal, " I've just realised who it is you remind me of > Sarah, > Joni Mitchell". Could I believe it??!! I think to this day he does > not > quite realise the impact that had on me. Unfortunately, however I > think > he may have been clutching at straws with the long blonde hair, and > piano > playing traits, seeing as i certainly would not even put myself > anywhere > near Ms Mitchell on that score but anyway, it put a smile on my face > for > a good few days after!! > > bye for now, > > sarah ( with absolutely no sign of cheekbones whatsoever) > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Send instant messages for free with MSN Messenger. Click here to > download > it now! ===== Trade list: http://db.etree.org/koko "I DO know what my songs are about. Oh, some are about four minutes; some are about five. And some, believe it or not, are about eleven or twelve." -- Bob Dylan Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:16:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > What would Joni say about the chicken? That it's always talkin', chicken squawkin' (bawk-bawk-bawk-BAWK!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:30:55 -0500 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: joni and the chicken (sjc) anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >What would Joni say about the chicken? > >That it's always talkin', chicken squawkin' >(bawk-bawk-bawk-BAWK!) > > And chicken scratching for its own immortality hmmm...an immortal chicken...wonder if it could be like a stone crab...chop off an extremity and throw it back to grow another? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:05:03 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Who is (was) Gisele MacKenzie? (now SJC) Gisele MacKenzie was one of Canada's favorite singers from the post WWII era. She was born in Winnepeg and achieved great success in her native country singing popular tunes and light classics. Gisele came to the US in 1951 where she performed on the "Club 15" show (was this radio?) and later as a regular guest "luminary" on "(The) Your Hit Parade" sharing the stage with Jack Benny. And why you should care? In 1958, she had a Canadian hit record single and LP called, "Hard To Get." On the album was her version of "Unchained Melody" (originally written by Alex North as incidental music for the film, "Unchained" in 1951). The style of the piece was lush and orchestral, not unlike BSN/Travelogue in the romantic tradition beloved by Joni. Given MacKenzie's popularity in Canada, and not knowing how easily American records made it to jukeboxes in Canadian prairie cities in the 1950s, I think it's entirely possible that Gisele MacKenzie was the singer on the version Joni, Gail and Louise (maybe there was a happy ending) were dropping dimes to hear "one more time." This is pure speculation of course, as I can't prove that MacKenzie's version made it to a format (even a B-side) that was playable on jukeboxes of the era, or that any of the other versions of the song available by period artists: Les Baxter, Perry Como, Al Hibbler, Ricky Nelson (the more likely -- July 1958), Gene Vincent, The Platters, Andy Williams ('59), or The Lettermen were the chosen one. Given Joni's affinity for the classic/romantic forms, it wouldn't surprise me if she broke the mold from time to time to break away from the rock n' roll hysteria to spin something like Gisele's version. So, in the absence of a detailed autobiography, my reconstruction of the events sounds like that. Oh, for a muse of fire... Oh, for a time machine... CC "Back in 1957 we had to dance a foot apart." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:35:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: covers #38 revelations euro grass kicks ass!!!!!!! this is THE most amazing rendition of woodstock Ive ever heard!!! wooohooo it'll get you out of your seat and dancing around the kitchen in your jahmies while you make lunch... omg!!!!!!! This song makes it to my top ten list of covers...no contest, no question ya gotsta dig blue grass baby ;-)))))))) zen moogs ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:45:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CBC Part 2 spoiler i love that it will include her daughter & grandchildren, but why oh why did they edit out a discussion of cohen's influence? what do i really know but i have the impression that cohen was so formative to her artistic development...hopefully someone can get their hands on the original film... >>According to the Ottawa Citizen, part 2 of the documentary tomorrow will air home video footage of Joni and her daughter, playing with her grandchildren. There will also be an extensive section on the Mingus controversy. Cut from the original film, thanks to Joni's interference, were interviews with her parents, discussion of Leonard Cohen's influence on her work<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:24:20 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: covers #38 revelations In a message dated 3/11/2003 12:37:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > euro grass kicks ass!!!!!!! > > this is THE most amazing rendition of woodstock Ive ever heard!!! wooohooo > it'll get you out of your seat and dancing around the kitchen in your > jahmies while you make lunch... > I agree Mags !!! It's such a totally different, but wonderful rendition of "Woodstock". I happen to like Bluegrass music, and I'd love to hear an entire CD of Joni covers done a la bluegrass. This song certainly makes up for the "River" cover done by The Girls Next Door, doesn't it Mags? ;~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:04:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: euro grass does woodstock okay now that ive been peeled off the ceiling. ahem. seriously folks, euro grass version of woodstock is amazing, high energy. kickin' i love how it starts out sounding like something from the theme from shaft and then kicks into this high energy musically ON version filled with great harmonies.. banjo/mando/guitar picking. I imagine Les et al up there doing this at Fest...so how about it? Mags np: euro grass.......gonna join in a blue grass band :-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:30:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: euro grass does woodstock In a message dated 3/11/2003 1:04:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > np: euro grass.......gonna join in a blue grass band :-) I LOVE the way they alter that lyric too! A good bluegrass band is hard to resist, no doubt about it. We've had a couple other bluegrass Joni covers so far, of course like Kate says the best ones are where the vocalist or group takes the song and really interprets it on their own terms, and this is a GOOD example! Of course, always happy to get a copy to whoever wants one, whether it's #38 or #1 or all points in between! :~) Bob NP: Ani, "serpentine" from her latest 'Evolve' out today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:42:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Haight Ashbury music help (with joni content now) i just took a look at the link paul provided (below)...& find it interesting how the author/reviewer (Richard von Busack) of this film dismisses both the people & the art of the 'hippie' era as short lived... i would conclude the just the opposite... like paul's friend louise (who, contrary to how the author portrays her is as paul wrote 'saving lives and stamping out disease as a hospital administrator') i know many who who grew up through the 'hippie era' who remained true to their ideals & have devoted their lives to making the world a better place... as to the author's claim that the era produced little art that endured (i assume music is included here), i imagine many jmdlers would vehemently disagree with that statement! off the top of my head a short list of enduring infludences: joni mitchell, grateful dead (my friend just saw the reincarnated 'dead'- the official name they now use- at winterland in san francisco), neil young, csn&y, bob dylan, santana & countless others who never really stopped & have influenced several generations of musicians...i'm sure others here can list many others who would fall under the enduring category... http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.18.96/hippie-9629.html (an excerpt): 'As a musician worries, "Are we going to turn them on, or are they going to turn us off?" It was the latter, of course. The hippies' efforts may not have been lasting; they were fuzzy thinkers who produced little art that endured. Today, "Today" is a nice single mom with two kids, a house and a swimming pool in New Mexico.' Paul >>In the sixties Louise was known as 'Today Malone' in Haight Ashbury and had starred in the original 1967 'Revolution' film...Today Louise < ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:04:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: euro grass does woodstock earlier today, in a rather exuberant mood , magsie wrote in reference to euro grass' woodstock: > np: euro grass.......gonna join in a blue grass band :-) and then southern bro Bob wrote: <> and speaking of altering lyrics in a performance...I love how Joni does that for example: when she was at Day in the Garden in 98 she sang.... listen....strains of Mark Isham... (or whoever happens to be on trumpet at the time).... such a clever gurll she is ;-) giving hejira a lot of air time these days and enjoying it even more. especially hejira, amelia and song for sharon. i love the story telling aspect of these songs. gorgeous. lots to think about and learn. mags npimh: one of my favourite lines from song for sharon...shine your light on me Miss Liberty ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:22:38 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: euro grass does woodstock In a message dated 3/11/2003 3:04:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > <> Which is not to say that I love every lyric alteration in the annals of Joni covers...far from it, actually. Euro Grass' alteration is appropriate; Billy Squier's "River" is *not* as he takes off into left field and almost improvises a whole new set. And then there's Tony Spinelli's "Carey"! I haven't released that one yet but it's coming up...he basically starts off with "the wind is in from Africa" and then blabs on about whatever! Wassup with that? Like who has the nerve to think they can IMPROVE on Joni's lyric???? Although I have to admit it's so bad I can't help but laugh my *ss off! And don't even get me started on all the permutations of BSN's "angel hair" beginning...goes & floes, bows & rows, swirls and curls, and Kathryn Grayson's unintelligible "oers & ploors"!?! Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "anything good about me" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: About "Woman of Heart and Mind" Here's the story by Tony Atherton. It ran in the Vancouver Sun, the National Post and the Ottawa Citizen. Not sure if this was posted yet... - Andrew in Ottawa - ---- The two-part biography that airs tonight and next Tuesday at 7 p.m. on CBC's Life and Times is called Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind. It should not be confused with another two-part biography from the same production company which CBC almost aired last year at this time. The earlier film was titled Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and Then, but it might also be called The Documentary Joni Mitchell Didn't Want You to See. The history behind the two films reveals almost as much about the Canadian musical icon as what you'll see on screen tonight. Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind is a handsome, lyrical piece of film-making which focuses largely on Mitchell's music, partly on her painting, and almost incidentally on her life. We see how her life is reflected in her music, and how her music affects her life, sometimes with penetrating clarity. But we skip over a lot of personal detail. This is an art film, not a celebrity biopic. Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and Then, on the other hand, was more personal, chattier, and a lot more Canadian. Mitchell hated it. And since she had demanded editorial control up front, she vetoed it days before it was to broadcast in Canada, and well after review copies had been sent out to critics. At the time, nothing was said of Mitchell's dismay. CBC played the cancellation as a simple schedule change; the film was being held for the following season. But when it reappeared this spring, the film had a new name, a new director and a new co-producer, PBS's Emmy-winning arts-biography series, American Masters. Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind will air later as a 90-minute special on the U.S. public broadcaster. The film began as the second half of a two-part deal between Mitchell and Eagle Vision Entertainment, a U.S.-based, British owned production company, says Life and Times senior producer Michael Claydon. In 1998, Mitchell and Eagle Vision collaborated on an intimate concert video called Joni Mitchell: Painting with Words and Music, which the CBC aired. The biography was a follow-up, and CBC came on board as a minor player. Eagle Vision approached Susan Lacy, the Peabody-award-winning film-maker and founder of American Masters, about co-producing the film. She was very interested, she said in an interview from New York, and even accompanied the film's crew to Canada to interview Mitchell's parents. "But that was before I had seen the contract," says Lacy. American Masters, which has profiled Bruce Springsteen, F. Scott Fitzgerald, and Richard Avedon, among others, doesn't make "official" biographies, and never lets its subjects have control over the finished product. Lacy backed away from the film. "I remember telling [Eagle Vision], 'You're going to regret this,' " she says. Lacy doesn't know specifically why Mitchell balked at the film, but she has her suspicions. "I thought it was a gossipy show, but I didn't think it had anything to do with her art or her music. It wasn't lyrical, it wasn't poetic, it wasn't all the things that I would have wanted it to be if I were making the film." And it spent a great deal of time detailing the singer's early life at the expense of her later musical career, when Mitchell's constant musical experiments often took her out of the spotlight. When Eagle approached her with its dilemma, Lacy agreed to take over as director and make a new film -- if Mitchell agreed to give up editorial control. The singer/songwriter acquiesced. "I think she sensed that our interests in what we wanted to do with the film were more compatible with her interests," says Lacy. By the time Lacy was finished with her reworking, Mitchell's Canadian childhood was reduced to the barest essentials; it is portrayed in the film as little more than a time when the fledgling artist was more interested in painting than music. The original film featured reminiscences with Mitchell's parents, anecdotes about a favourite teacher, Mitchell's own memories of her bout with polio and her keen sense of alienation from her classmates. All of this, along with the yearbook photos and family snaps, are missing from the new film. Gone as well is much of her time on the Canadian folk scene, and the way in which singers like Leonard Cohen influenced her. Lacy says she was "eliminating things I didn't thing were germane if you have only 90 minutes as opposed to a book [to fill]." Not all the cuts pleased Mitchell, Lacy admits. "She has a perspective on her own history that not necessarily always can be borne out." In the original film, for instance, there is an extensive section dealing with Mitchell's relationship with her first husband, singer Chuck Mitchell. They had met at a Toronto club shortly after the teenage singer had quietly given birth to her daughter, the product of a brief relationship in art college. With her child in foster care, Mitchell went on the road with her future husband and, she says in the film, agreed to marry him as a way of providing for her daughter, though he subsequently refused to raise her. She paints Mitchell, and his role in her life, in far darker shades than Lacy lets her get away with in tonight's film. Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind is ultimately a more polished and thoughtful treatment than the earlier work. It includes an enlightening segment on her relationship with Graham Nash and how her decision to leave him preceded a new era of soul-searing self-reflection in her work. There is also a detailed look at her collaboration with Charlie Mingus on his swan song album, and unprecedented footage of Mitchell with her daughter, with whom she was reunited in recent years, and her grandchildren. Over all, the film makes clear Mitchell's frustration with the general lack of recognition for her later career. "We're all human; we like people to like what we do," says Lacy. "I think she's had her ups and downs and disappointments, but I think she's in a very clear and strong place today." The Ottawa Citizen ) Copyright 2003 Vancouver Sun Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:16:57 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Blue Tapestry A friend of mine just gave me the Blue Tapestry album! Blue Tapestry is a tribute to Joni Mitchell and Carole King. I'm sure Bob has them down! I went to see them live in Hastings where I live about a year ago. Wow what a performance! I was really blown away. They really caught me by surprise because the words "tribute" and "band" always conjured up really naff feelings for me, but these guys really rocked! They used all their own instruments and even played in altered tunings! Chris While singing 'Amelia' with guitar and Pete Zorn (who I believe was in Fairport Convention) doing vibes was breathtaking. They stay pretty close to most of the songs original form but there a lot of nice touches. It was great because I of course love Joni's music and Carole King is one of my favourites too. Anyway I'm not sure if any of the songs they did at Hastings (the CD is live) is on it but their version of 'Raised On Robbery' is spectacular. I will definitely see them again! The CD is well worth a listen a listen and you can check them out: www.bluetapestry.co.uk Peace STEVE T NP: 'Free Man In Paris' ~ Blue Tapestry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:30:44 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: senator byrd pc trying my best to avoid the political discussion but as i watch and listen to senator robert byrd i am left with one longing: why couldn't this man have been elected president? mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:33:45 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Tapestry In a message dated 3/11/2003 4:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@hatstand.org writes: > Blue Tapestry is a tribute to Joni Mitchell and Carole King. > I'm sure Bob has them down! Indeed, Steve! Thanks to my pal "Joltin' Joe" Farrell, I've got a copy and have enjoyed it immensely. I love Carole King of course, but I favor the Joni tunes on this disc because they're so much more adventurous with their selections. Instead of BSN, BYT, and Woodstock we get "In France They Kiss On Main Street", "Coyote", and "Little Green" among many others. As you say, they pay tribute to the songwriter but rock out on their own accord. Very talented. I've included the Joni tracks on upcoming volumes, so don't touch that dial! My only complaint is that the CD is so hard for us to get here. You've got to print out an order form, and make payment in Pounds Sterling, unless they've changed the procedure. Lieve, maybe you can pick up some Blue Tapestry's and trade them for US CD's when you come to the Fest! ;~) Bob NP: Michael McDermott, "Shadow Of The Capitol" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:34:18 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: senator byrd pc Because he was an active member of the Ku Klux Klan and spent many years opposing civil rights for African Americans. Jerry mack watson-bush wrote: > trying my best to avoid the political discussion but as i watch and listen to > senator robert byrd i am left with one longing: why couldn't this man have > been elected president? > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:53:03 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: senator byrd pc The Robert Byrd of olden days probably voted for Strom Thurmond for president... and over his career, he is probably the champion legislator at larding up his state with pork barrel projects, which increased everyone's taxes. Gerald Notaro wrote: > Because he was an active member of the Ku Klux Klan and spent many > years opposing civil rights for African Americans. > > Jerry > > mack watson-bush wrote: > >> trying my best to avoid the political discussion but as i watch and >> listen to >> senator robert byrd i am left with one longing: why couldn't this man >> have >> been elected president? >> >> mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:07:25 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:Blue Tapestry In a message dated 11/03/2003 21:22:28 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Steve wrote:- > A friend of mine just gave me the Blue Tapestry album! > Blue Tapestry is a tribute to Joni Mitchell and Carole King. > I'm sure Bob has them down! > > I went to see them live in Hastings where I live about a year ago. Wow what > a performance! I was really blown away. That's good to hear. I'm going to see them for the first time next month - in Tunbridge Wells although I'm also nervous of the "tribute" idea. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:15:49 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Blue Tapestry On Tuesday, Mar 11, 2003, at 23:07 Europe/London, Gertus@aol.com wrote: > Steve wrote:- >> A friend of mine just gave me the Blue Tapestry album! >> Blue Tapestry is a tribute to Joni Mitchell and Carole King. >> I'm sure Bob has them down! What I just heard over the phone sounded great - if we're not to see Joni live these days, then this sounds like the next best thing. If I'm brave enough to be contentious, maybe even better in some ways. I mean, I wasn't old enough to see Joni live when she was doing the material I now love most, and she doesn't perform it these days in the way I really want to hear it. If these guys are as good as they sound, I'll be able to hear it live, sounding the way I'd like it to sound. > That's good to hear. I'm going to see them for the first time next > month - in > Tunbridge Wells although I'm also nervous of the "tribute" idea. NJC now... Jacky, when is this concert precisely, in particular, which day of the week? If it all works out, I might come and see these guys. Hastings and Tunbridge Wells aren't a million miles apart either: Steve - are you in on this if the dates are good for you? Er, are there likely to be any tickets left? Cheers, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:20:04 -0000 From: "o" Subject: The origins of 'Tax Free' Joni Mitchell Takes Up Topicality by Stephen Holden New York Times October 16, 1985 "One song, "Tax Free," denounces America's fundamentalist right. Toward the end of the song, Rod Steiger, playing a flamboyant Moral Majority-styled preacher giving a mock TV sermon, advocates the invasion of Cuba. Miss Mitchell's lyric asks, "How can he speak for the Prince of Peace when he's hawk-right militant?"" Just to clarify - this is one quote I found to justify my claims about the origins of 'Tax Free's lyrics. I didn't really want to initiate a debate on the rights and wrongs of the Reagan administration, as I don't know enough about it. From my understanding, however, Reagan was not exactly sympathetic to Communist Cuba. Rod Steiger 'preaches' at the end of the song "Our nation has whimpered and cried" Save me "And petted the Castros" Tax free "The Khomeinis' and the Kaddafis'" Save me "For so long" Tax free "That we don't know how to act like a man" Save me "I think that we should turn the United States Marines loose on that little island south of Florida and stop that problem!" The last sentence explains it clearly. Although I am aware that churches receive tax breaks, I think Joni was inferring that certain preachers were being offered further tax related incentives to preach sermons that 'corresponded' to certain governmental policies of the time. Cheers, Owen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:57:04 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Woman of Heart and Mind hi Well part two starts in a few minutes - but I think as I did with part 1 i'm going to watch it over the next few days just to one ad break at a time. But i'm curious in part 1 why they showed NY while playing Night in the City - yes it suits it but she said it's about Yorkville Ave. in Toronto... I don't know how much to expect from part 2, because with less than an hour they can't really look at anything in depth, but I'm sure I'll still enjoy seeing it. Rachel NP: Brent Titcomb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:04:15 -0500 From: vince Subject: origins of 'Tax Free'/Joni & religion The tax exempt status of church-owned real property (real estate) (as long as it is used for church purposes) is a matter of state law on a state by state basis. Also church purchases of church related goods is also generally exempt from state taxes. And as well churches have the 501(c)(3) status (if they qualify according to the IRS guidelines) in reference to federal taxes which is why your gifts to the church are deductible. I am not aware of any particular effort during the Reagan administration to expand the tax exempt status. What I do recall is that the 1980 election was the first in which the Christian right made its presence known by massive organizing and distribution of printed materials. That was when the the terms "pro family" and such first passed into public use. On that printed material it always came out that Carter was 100% anti family and Reagan was 100% pro family. Carter was the target because he was a well known active church going born again Baptist - but he was a (dare I say) liberal. The issue of the tax exempt status arose in that election because one of the conditions is that no politics can be done in or by a tax exempt institution. I can say, Go Vote but not vote for who. I can say candidate A says this and candidate B says that, but if I put a spin on it and imply this is better than that, that is campaigning and thus a violation. If I invite a candidate to speak to the people (and no "campaigning" just being neighborly wink wink) that is ok, as long as theoretically I would invite every candidate. There were a lot of questions during and following the election about some religious tax exempt institutions violating the no politics thing. Also questions - as there are today - about what the payoffs are for delivering votes. As far as Joni and religion - as a practicing Christian I have no doubt that Joni is very well versed in the Scriptures and has an abiding interest in things religious. I am not a lyrics expert like some of you and I can't cite a string of lyrics but the references are too often and too informed to be casual. Even a phrase like "you are in my blood like holy wine" comes from someone very familiar with Eucharistic language. That would not be a phrase that would occur to most people, and as well, speaks to a relationship far more total than boyfriend/girlfriend or even lovers, it is a complete union in. which, and through something is present which as I type that makes no sense and I can't explain it. Whether it is "get back to the Garden" or Sire of Sorrows or whatever, the religious and Biblical imagery and themes run through Joni's work. My guess is she went to Sunday Church School a lot, and went to confirmation, and took it very seriously and was a very good student and learner, and while she may not be church goer anymore or have traditional beliefs (maybe she does, maybe she doesn't, she and I have never spoken) her life as she sees it is in good part a spiritual, religious journey. And I have always thought that about Joni, long before Heijera (another religious phrase) and long before Tax Free. In fact, Joni's anger in Tax Free could only (in my opinion) come from someone who takes spiritual things seriously, and Christianity seriously, and was offended by the political misuse of the Christian faith for partisan purposes. Now do I have any clue as to is Joni a Christian, no, because we have never spoke, but I would suspect yes, albeit not a traditional one (she challenges thought boundaries too much for that) who is more than capable of seeing spiritual insights and Truth in many nonChristian sources. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:06:56 -0500 From: Subject: Part 2 is on now in the Eastern Time Zone! Hey, you crazy canuck! Run to the TV. CBC-TV has part 2 on at 19:00. That's 7PM. "Life And Times" is on now in Toronto! All of us in the rest of the Joni-loving world are envious. Lama ps, Don't get used to it. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:26:16 -0800 From: Gary Zack Subject: Joni in Detroit Hi all, Believe it or not here in Detroit my roomie has cable and guess what we're getting? Joni Part2!! I convinced him to let me slip a tape in. It's on now.....just WONDERFUL!! I just wish I hadn't missed Part 1. My roommate didn't let me know we had the CBC station until after I got home from an appointment last Tuesday. To top it off, my VCR is on the fritz, so my bud, Rick, let me use his...so hopefully I'll get a good copy. I gotta get back to this show...and I have some music questions for you Kovers King, a bit later! Wow, amazing show..... So grateful to see Joni!! Gary Zack jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Hey, you crazy canuck! Run to the TV. CBC-TV has part 2 on at 19:00. > > That's 7PM. > > "Life And Times" is on now in Toronto! > > All of us in the rest of the Joni-loving world are envious. > > Lama > > ps, Don't get used to it. [:)] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:11:52 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Part 2 - I'm overwhelmed! Oh my gosh, Part 2 really did send me over the edge with its beauty. The final scenes, with the last portion of the orchestral Both Sides Now playing, were so moving: Joni's paintings interwoven with images of Joni painting on canvas, laughing with Kilauren, singing on stage, taking photographs of her grandchildren ... and then that wonderful red cape image again - a young Joni running on the beach, chasing seagulls, chasing dreams. And the violins and horns swell up with my tears... Wow. The film footage used of Joni with her daughter and grandchildren was just incredible: climbing trees, Joni dancing in Kilauren's backyard with her grandchildren, looking at flowers together, climbing on a jungle-gym. It's amazing, rare footage that will bowl you over with its beauty. Joni is so down to earth. As for the rest of the content, quite a bit was covered, mostly career focused. They talked a lot about Mingus and there was a lot of footage of Joni performing songs from Blue and Court & Spark. Her 80s period was only touched on with an examination of "Wild Things" with interviews with Larry Klein. Unfortunately, Hissing wasn't even mentioned and DJRD was only just barely touched on, mainly to do with influence on Mingus. Other rare footage includes a young Joni cutting a rug at a house party in the 70s, with Mama Cass and friends. There is also footage of Joni recording the 2000 version of Both Sides Now in the studio and writing out what look to be lyrics while sitting at a small desk. There are numerous photos of Joni through the ages, some that I have never seen before - gorgeous glamour shots and family photos courtesy of Kilauren. Kilauren speaks exactly like Joni! It's amazing how similar they sound. They both have the same inflection and intonnation, the same laugh. She was interviewed only briefly, but she did say that it felt like she had gone on a short trip but was just now coming home - it felt like no time had passed and she fell right back into comfort. And then there film footage of Joni on the beach, hugging Kilauren. This was a spectacular documentary. You will be absolutely overwhelmed by it when you see it. In a final interview Joni says that she always hoped that there would be other kindred souls out there just like her, who would love and feel the music, "It turns out," she says, "that there are!" Here we are. - -Andrew Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:18:38 -0500 From: Subject: joni and the chicken 100% jc Marianne asked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What would Joni say about the chicken?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great question. Obviously, Joni's chicken is of two minds about crossing the road. The eagle and the serpent are at war in her. Should she stay on the comfortable side with its soft emotions, so fast, so smart? The world is at her feet, but what about her heart? She's had success, lots of fancy friends, yet she risks everything when she begins anew. There's danger in leaving home, in living up such a reckless lifestyle. Just last week she saw a farmhouse burning down in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night. What if Joni's chicken stops in the middle of the road, frozen in thought? Stopping in the road, a prisoner of the white lines, she could be hit. Deciding is hard work yet indecision could be fatal: You choose. And you lose if you hesitate. Home is boring and sad yet there's comfort in melancholy. Now she's thinking "That's no substitute. It just don't do it; come on now; you've got to try. Feck it. Strut like a rooster. March like a man." Tired of the inner dialog she murmurs aloud, "I'm always talking, chicken squawking." Puffed up and strutting, she darts out. A car on the hill! "You're not a hit-and-run driver! Bwak! No! No! Bwak!" Theatre of anguish. Theatre of glory. A thousand glass eyes were staring. In the middle of the road (Hynde), the stiff blue-haired house rules don't apply. Grazed! She keeps hearing bells all around her. She stumbles, like a mad man, kicking over garbage cans. Spins; blacks out. She winds up wounded, not even dead. No one watches when the ambulance pulls away. (Springsteen) Down and shaking when it thinks she thinks she's lost. Again. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:07:49 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joni and the chicken >>What would Joni say about the chicken?<< "Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Hejira ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:21:19 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: euro grass does woodstock Bob wrote: >And don't even get me started on all the permutations of BSN's "angel hair" beginning...goes & floes, bows & >rows, swirls and curls, and Kathryn Grayson's unintelligible "oers & ploors"!?! Swirls and curls? eeeuuww! That reminds me...I saw the lyrics to ACOY on a Tori Amos website a while back and they had, "On the back of a cotton coaster..." It would be hard to draw a map of Canada on cotton! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:49:10 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: joni and the chicken oh, come on guys! Sweet chicken you are Briefer than a crosswalk star All these vain promises from Purdue li-ars Somewhere with your wings on time You must be clucking Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:08 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: joni and the chicken >>What would Joni say about the chicken?<< "Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Hejira ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:55:23 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: joni and the chicken Last chance lost- The chicken cannot make the change Last chance lost- The bird will not be tamed Last chance lost- Hope the other side is not a rifle range (I'd like to think Joni would have a sense of humor) Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:08 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: joni and the chicken >>What would Joni say about the chicken?<< "Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" Hejira ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:19:45 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: CBC Joni, Part Two Well, they saved the best for last. Get out your hankerchiefs cause this one's gonna pull at the heartstrings. Very well done, lots of concert footage, lots of Joni at the piano (for all us Joni Piano affecionados). Joni is just so vital and beautiful. But we knew that already. In part 2, Joni's growth, evolution and risk taking are emphasized. Very touching commentaries from Klein. Intimate snippets of home movies with her new family bring the story full circle. I would love to see this as one continuous film, sans commercials. Can't wait. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #86 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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