From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #85 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 085 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Lucy says thanks SJC... but not of great musical value ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Joni on CBC [Ken ] Re: Bible [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni In Fiction - A new one? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] DED ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Fiddle/Drum ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Fiddle/Drum (not sure if this qualifies as jonicontent???) ["ron" ] Re: Alliterate Joni Also 'Tax Free' [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ambitious pop!!!! ["ron" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #169 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: Alliterate Joni Also 'Tax Free' ["kakki" ] Re: The State of the List [Michael Paz ] Re: Hello - new person here [Michael Paz ] Re: Martin Simpson (SJC) [Michael Paz ] CBC Part 2 spoiler [Little Bird ] Re: Hello, Everyone; DED; Joni Cover Art [Michael Paz ] Re: CBC Part 2 spoiler ["kakki" ] Re: CBC Part 2 spoiler ["kakki" ] Today in History: March 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: March 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:56:10 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Lucy says thanks SJC... but not of great musical value Yes the old buzzard has circled around for another year.... Still caught in the updraft and not intending to land for a while.... Thanks for the birthday wishes and for those of you who have admitted (off list and on) that you find Hejira complicated at first. WEll I am giving it a rest for now... sticking with the T'Log ones I like from that album, and re-visiting Furry on BSN to see if it becomes tolerable..... we shall see. I actually was given a CD version of FTR yesterday and Oh wow what a lovely album that is. My vinyl one became a statistic of the end of a relationship many years ago and I had not replaced it on CD... OH what a wonderful to have that again and Joni's voice is soaring about the room as I type this. Do any of you have Joni Albums that you had "lost" in one circumstance or another and then they came back to you .........and you find that they are listened to this time around, with a totally different perspective....but are just blindingly brilliant and new? I seem to have the same feelings about C&S and Blue, and Clouds when I came back to them on CD a few years back. A lot of the other albums, like Hejira were new to me as I had such a gap in my listening to Joni with any regularity.... getting it all together with a huge back catalogue in 2000. Maybe that is why I like T'log... and BSN (most of it) Anyway, on with the day Lucy who is eyeing the world from the giddy heights of being 46!!! thanks again for the wishes, you are all so kind... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:45:52 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: The Sweetness of Pears (audio link) (SJC) On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 14:45 Europe/London, I wrote: > It's called "The Sweetness Of Pears", but I'm afraid I don't > know the author offhand, and can't get to the Internet right > now to find out. Being so short, I'm fairly sure the text > of it might be on the web, or at least a reference to it. > A search through http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ might > also yield the goods. I found it! It's available to listen to on the BBC web site, and I think works with Real Player. The link is here:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/afternoon_reading.shtml You've got until Thursday to listen to this on line, at which point the "Listen to Thursday" link will point to the latest Thursday reading. The author of the story is Sarah LeFanu, and it's read by Stephanie Cole. Enjoy. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:10:07 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Bible Ciao Joniphiles, "I'd like to have a list of Joni references (lines) that have anything to do with sprituality/goddess/god /Jesus/religion . . even if they are remote. ." It seems to me that it is difficult to find a Joni song that is NOT informed at some level by the Bible than to find one free of spiritual thoughts of some kind. Joni clearly has been very influenced by it - whether she had to read it as a young girl growing up or got into it later I don't know. Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:17:57 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Joni on CBC Great find. Who we going to have to kill to be able to see the other biography. Ken Rick and Susan wrote: >I can't remember if this article about the CBC Life And Times biography of >Joni Mitchell has appeared on the list, so here's the link to it: >http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=41e1ac69-e100-4f1b-9fa3-b588000c9 >6ad > >The article explains why there were significant delays in the appearance of >this show: Mainly that Joni was unhappy with the original. > >If anyone without Internet access would like to read it, let me know and >I'll send them the text. > >Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:36:51 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bible In a message dated 3/10/2003 9:10:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, CuneoDM@XYMID.com writes: > It seems to me that it is difficult to find a Joni song that is NOT > informed at some level by the Bible than to find one free > of spiritual > thoughts of some kind. I had the same thought, Dave...looking at my fave Hejira, the majority of the songs have a direct reference to some spiritual or religious item: Coyote: And their pills and powders to get them thru this passion play Amelia: It was the hexagram of the heavens Hejira: In the church they light the candles Song For Sharon: I'm headed to the church to play Bingo Refuge Of The Roads: Muscular with gods and sungold I can't really see anything in the others to make an argument for their inclusion; still, as you say she is deeply concerned with spiritual imagery/ideas in her writing, and I would dare say that well over 50% or her work reflects that in some form. It may be what makes her such a good writer in that she tries to bring together spiritual, emotional, philosophical, physical concepts. Bob NP: Dave Matthews Band, "Bartender" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:07:26 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni In Fiction - A new one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3315991550&category=2296 I guess this one goes under the "TV" section...a miniseries called "A Girl Thing". According to the ad: The soundtrack includes songs by Joni Mitchell and Chaka Khan (whose name is misspelled as Kahn in the credits). And our Ukranian JMDL pal Vad will surely want this DVD as it brings together two of his faves in one "outing"...Joni & Rebecca DeMornay! :~) Bob NP: DMB, "When The World Ends" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:13:07 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: DED > i just have a huge anti-bias to that 80's synth/keyboard sound. never got it > at the time & still dont. at the time that all my friends were listening to > visage, and spandau ballet, and depeche mode - i was listening to jimi, & > janis, and neil young, and joni - i was very into shadows & light. > > so in my case the music actually makes it more difficult to swallow :-) > True there are some keyboards on DED, but personally what strikes me more than those are the hard rock feeling and Michael Landau's guitar solos. Hence I would imagine that since you like rock (Jimi, Neil, ...) as much as I, then that would make DED more palatable. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:14:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Fiddle/Drum bob s, thanks i will try your chords too & see how they work for me...randy's seemed to work very well when i tried them singing along from memory (not with joni on the record so it is possible i changed some of the melody notes to suit the chords)... personally, i like to approach a cover song as a variation/interpretation both in rhythm & melody to make it something of my own...i agree, for joni her accapella version is perfect... but its such a powerful song & i think i can stay in that realm with some very simple guitar behind it...its that modulation that is going to be more of a challenge... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 02:11:59 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Fiddle/Drum (not sure if this qualifies as jonicontent???) hi >>>>david wrote >>>>Perhaps there are no chords on the recording because she wanted to dramatize her feeling that she was a lone voice articulating an outsider's, subversive position on what we are pleased to call the "Vietnam War."<<<< sometimes a song will work without accompaniment simply because it stresses the lyrics and message so much. two particular ones that work so well for me on this level are david bowie's "please mr. gravedigger" (kinda quirky) - and michelle shockeds (unfortunately unreleased) version of "the ballad of penny evans" (written by steve goodman) - an anti vietnam war song that is just so unbelievably powerful that i just cant listen to it without crying....(or even just read the lyrics...) Ballad Of Penny Evans Written by Steve Goodman My name is Penny Evans and I've just turned twenty-one A young widow in the war that's been fought in Vietnam And I have two infant daughters and I do the best I can And now they say the war is over but I think it just began I remember I was seventeen when I first met young Will On his fathers grand piano we played good old "Hearts And Soul" And I only knew the left-hand part, he knew the right so well He is the only boy I slept with and the only one I will You know, first we had a baby girl and it was two good years But then came the one-A notice and we parted without tears And now it's nine months from the last goodbye and a second babe appears And now it's ten months and a telegram confirming all our fears You know, my name is Penny Evans and I've just turned twenty-one A young widow in the war that's been fought in Vietnam And I have two infant daughters and I do the best I can But you know, they say the war is over and I think it just began And now it's every month I get a check from some Army bureaucrat And it's every month I tear it up and mail the damn thing back Did you think that would make it alright, did you think I would fall for that? Oh you can keep your bloody money it won't bring my Billy back And I don't care much for politics or speechs I don't understand But you know, I never took a cent from any living man And still tonight there are fifty thousand gone in that unhappy land Yes and fifty thousand hearts and souls being played by just one hand My name is Penny Evans and I've just turned twenty-one A young widow in the war that's been fought in Vietnam I have two infant daughters I thank God I have no sons For they say the war is over but I think it's just began ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:09:38 -0000 From: "o" Subject: Re:Alliterate Joni Also 'Tax Free' The most alliterative song Joni ever wrote must be 'Borderline' - great lyrics, but she goes a bit far with "You snipe so steady/You snub so snide/ So ripe and ready/To diminish and deride" in my opinion. As regards 'Tax Free', it wasn't about the danger of Pat Robertson being elected, rather about the tax breaks that many preachers received from the U.S government in return for persuading their congregation that the U.S should invade Cuba. Peace (ha ha) O ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:26:09 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Alliterate Joni Also 'Tax Free' In a message dated 3/10/2003 3:09:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, owen.duff@ntlworld.com writes: > As regards 'Tax Free', it wasn't about the danger of Pat Robertson being > elected, rather about the tax breaks that many preachers received from the > U.S government in return for persuading their congregation > that the U.S > should invade Cuba. Further to that, here's what Joni had to say in her 1985 "Rock Master Class" BBC interview with Tony Hale: JM: I never thought I would become a political animal -- God, I hope not -- it's like an intellectual or political animal, I always hoped not (laughs). But censorship was rearing its ugly head. There were insinuations -- okay, church and state were holding hands -- are holding hands. You'd see Reagan on the 700 Club which is a powerful evangelist broadcast, and they would be insinuating that any criticism that was raised against the president was communist propaganda with a feeling that there were certain dangerous right-wing tendencies happening in the country and that there was a massive vote to support them. It seemed like an important time to make certain statements. You know, "use it or lose it" comes to mind. You can of course read the whole thing at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=646 (Thanks to Lindsay Moon for the transcription) And if you want to go one better and listen to it, it's available on CD and really is recommended listening...besides a wonderfully enjoyable & informative conversation, Joni plays a number of DED songs acoustically on piano & guitar, and even does a paprika plains-like piano improv piece that I just adore. Bob NP: John Mayall, "Spinning Coin" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 02:54:23 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: ambitious pop!!!! hi just been reading thru the reviews of joni's albums at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/guide.cgi?alpha/m/mitchell.joni while they seem to nail it pretty well with some of her earlier albums everything from WTRF thru to TTT are rated as "recomended for fans of ambitious pop" buit still some interesting viewpoints.... ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:02:29 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #169 I would like to read the text about the delays in the CBC show about Joni. Maureen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:12:02 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Alliterate Joni Also 'Tax Free' I shouldn't take the bait on this but are you kidding around, O? You wrote: > > As regards 'Tax Free', it wasn't about the danger of Pat Robertson being > > elected, rather about the tax breaks that many preachers received from the > > U.S government in return for persuading their congregation that the U.S > > should invade Cuba. This is wild to me. Churches have ALWAYS received tax exemptions. I never heard of a movement to invade Cuba in the 80s! I always thought "Tax Free" was about how many of the unscrupulous TV preachers were using that tax advantage to build multi-million dollar broadcasting, theme park, publishing etc. empires while bilking poor grandmas out of their social security checks. If anything the government was going after many of them in the 80s (see history of the downfall of Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert and a number of others). Maybe some of you can point me to this lost history of the 80s regarding "tax breaks for support of a Cuban invasion." Then Bob quoted Joni: > But censorship was rearing its ugly head. There were insinuations -- okay, church and state were holding hands -- >are holding hands. You'd see Reagan on the 700 Club which is a powerful evangelist broadcast, and they would be >insinuating that any criticism that was raised against the president was communist propaganda with a feeling that there >were certain dangerous right-wing tendencies happening in the country and that there was a massive vote to support >them. It seemed like an important time to make certain statements. You know, "use it or lose it" comes to mind. I never heard of Reagan on the 700 Club. While the "religious right" usually do support conservative candidates, they only represent a small portion of all people who vote conservative for a thousand reasons other than religion. I abhored the TV preachers because of their sleazy opportunism. And what they professed does not represent conservative political ideals of live and let live and freedom to live your life and follow your own beliefs as an individual. I'm surprised to hear Joni making such sweeping generalizations here. Agree with her on the song but not her understanding of conservatives in this instance. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:25:40 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The State of the List Gary posted > > If this seems shallow, or too "caring" to some, sorry, but it's the > truth for me. Let's stay kind, caring and sensitive to others' > feelings. People are so precious. We could be "Here Today and Gone > Tomorrow." > > With Best wishes and peace to all! > > Gary Zack > Gary Great post Gary! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I would slam you for unsubing, but I guess you beat yourself up enough on that one. Please keep on posting and to everyone else as well. If it gets to deep Just hit delete! Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:42:11 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hello - new person here Hello Robin and welcome to the JMDL. I am actually an old fogie as well as an old hippie (pointed out by Christina (the Danish) at the last JoniFest she has since moved to New Orleans to work with me on a CD, but I digress). Hope you enjoy your stay here in the land of Joni Bliss, political discord, disfunctional family, support group from hell. One things fro sure we all love Joan. Have fun and be well. Best Paz (in post Mardi Grawed New Orleans) On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 04:43 PM, robin mortlock wrote: > Hello everyone - this is my first official correct entry to this list - > the last one was an undeleted digest packed full of repeated > information > which must have made for a great intro - so thanks to all the very kind > little prompts that people have included in their welcoming emails. It > wont happen again!! > > Anyway, I was asked how long i had been listening to Joni because this > is > what all you "old fogies" want to hear - why do you assume i am not an > old fogie, is it because i cannot follow simple instructions about > returning emails ? :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:38:04 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Martin Simpson (SJC) Steve Oh to be unemployed....ahhh the bliss. Thanks for the heads up. I have heard that he is in town and I think it was one of the new producers of Jukebox who has been working with him. I am gonna try and get him on JukeBox. Watch for our new season on the web starting the week of April 4 at www.louisianajukebox.com Later dawg! Paz On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Steve Dulson wrote: > > > Anyway, after finishing his first set with a furious "Masters > of War" he came back after the break and said "I think you > deserve some love songs now." He then talked about Joni, and > about how good Travelogue is, and how dumb Rolling Stone's > review of it was, all as a lead-in to playing "A Case of You". > Oh, he also said that when he was growing up in Scunthorpe, > he REALLY didn't want to be there - but he was able to escape > every time he played a Joni song. Obviously a huge fan. He > has fairly recently moved to New Orleans - watch out for him, > Paz man! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:45:39 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: CBC Part 2 spoiler According to the Ottawa Citizen, part 2 of the documentary tomorrow will air home video footage of Joni and her daughter, playing with her grandchildren. There will also be an extensive section on the Mingus controversy. Cut from the original film, thanks to Joni's interference, were interviews with her parents, discussion of Leonard Cohen's influence on her work and Joni's reflections on what it was like to be stricken with Polio at such an early age and how it felt to be so different from her classmates. There was also a much lengthier section about Chuck and her feelings about the marriage but she felt it got a little too personal so she vetoed it. I'm sure this has all been posted here before and I haven't been paying attention - I work all night. Sue me. - -Andrew Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:16:52 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hello, Everyone; DED; Joni Cover Art HI Larry Welcome to the JMDL. It's great to have MORE musicians on the list. And by the sound of things you may even be from the south, ya'll!! LOL! Best to you Michael in New Orleans (between for the roses and hejira) > Hello, Folks. I'm new to the list. My name is Larry > D. I'm a singer, songwriter, ukulelist, and Joni fan. > > Just as my two cents worth, I don't consider DED to be > one of JM's better albums, but I do like Shiny Toys, > Dog Eat Dog and (forgive me) Lucky Girl. Why > shouldn't a goddess write and record a fluffy love > song now and then, hm? > > I've all but lost sleep trying to decide on my > favorite Joni album cover and I've narrowed it down to > a tie between Don Juan's and Hissing (with Hejira > comin up behind those two). > > Peace, Y'all. > > NP: Both Sides Now album (Don't Worry Bout Me) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:15:32 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: CBC Part 2 spoiler Wow and thanks Andrew (and all who have posted about the show). Someone here got a copy of the first show and also told me the documentary is beyond belief and incredibly well done. I am disappointed about the cuts of her parents, Cohen, and some of her more personal reflections. However, she probably had her good reasons. Wonder if there will be any outtakes bootlegs surfacing at some point?? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:15:52 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: CBC Part 2 spoiler Wow and thanks Andrew (and all who have posted about the show). Someone here got a copy of the first show and also told me the documentary is beyond belief and incredibly well done. I am disappointed about the cuts of her parents, Cohen, and some of her more personal reflections. However, she probably had her good reasons. Wonder if there will be any outtakes bootlegs surfacing at some point?? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:15:56 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: CBC Part 2 spoiler Wow and thanks Andrew (and all who have posted about the show). Someone here got a copy of the first show and also told me the documentary is beyond belief and incredibly well done. I am disappointed about the cuts of her parents, Cohen, and some of her more personal reflections. However, she probably had her good reasons. Wonder if there will be any outtakes bootlegs surfacing at some point?? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:08:16 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 11 1970: Joni's album "Clouds" was named winner of the Grammy award for "best folk performance" of the year at the annual award ceremonies at the National Academy of Recording Artists and Sciences. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=824 1972: Joni performs at the Berkeley Community Theater, and future jimdler Steve Dulson snaps a photo of the event. More info: http://members.aol.com/tinkerjoni/joni.html 1974: Joni performed at the Civic Auditorium in Portland, Oregon. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=808 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:08:16 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 11 On March 11 the following items were published: 1998: "On the Concert Trail" - Los Angeles Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=164 2002: "Minutes" - Saskatoon City Council (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1027 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #85 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)