From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #81 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 7 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 081 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Toronto Star interview/article in today's Toronto Star ["Kate Bennett] Re: w-word/Fiddle and Drum [Dflahm@aol.com] DED fan club ["Laurent Olszer" ] Wayne Shorter, Brian Blade ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: Wayne Shorter, Brian Blade ["Heather" ] Re: DED fan club [Steve Polifka ] RE: Joni Canada Show [Steve Polifka ] best joni sleeve cover/wanting to be Joni ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: A Walk On The Moon and Joni in Fiction [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: CBC Life and Times ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Looks like Mackie's back in town ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: joni tv show ["Christopher Treacy" ] joni covers ["ron" ] Larry Klein interview in Performing Songwriter ["William C. Burnworth/Tim] The CBC tv show tree [Little Bird ] Re: Larry Klein interview in Performing Songwriter [Les Irvin ] Joni Album Cover Art [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] A little older Klein interview [Penny ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:24:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Toronto Star interview/article in today's Toronto Star Joni recently stated "We're marching into war. That means we've become an imperialist power, which goes against everything America stands for. It all comes down to personal economic interest." She may be referring, in part, to The Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a Washington-based think tank created in 1997 & their September 2000 publication called "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century." http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm "We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership...a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad...it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge..." http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm PNAC members include founding members Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle. The ideological father is Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. Bruce Jackson is a PNAC director who served as a Pentagon official for Ronald Reagan before leaving government service to take a leading position with the weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin. Jeb Bush is also a member. ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:06:46 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: w-word/Fiddle and Drum Respectfully, I don't know for sure that there ARE chords. Something akin to a drone (we used to hear about that re "Indian music" or ragas, remember) might work better. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:13:27 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: DED fan club > Thanks for the comeback, Mack, I tried my best to write that in a way that > would coax you out of lurkdom...glad I was successful, and of course I > respect your opinion and rejoice in your total love & devotion to DED. The > differences are what makes the journey interesting. > > Bob > I can understand the grounds of Bob's criticism. However, I totally concurr with Mack's review. So count me in the DED love & devotion fan club. Regarding this poster who didn't like Hejira, I find the albums that are easily accessible bore me after a few listens. Conversely, the ones that require some effort can be enjoyed for a long time as one discovers new things at every listen. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:23:36 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Wayne Shorter, Brian Blade Just listened to Bob's frisbee #20 "all that jazz". I particularly like the covers from those 3 cats I never hear of: Rainy Night House by Copland & Hagans, All I want by Jon Jang and the 2 by Dave Douglas. Fareed Haque's Woodstock is also interesting. Speaking of jazz, Wayne Shorter will play here in Paris next week with the "wonderful" Brian Blade and John Pattituci. The concert is listed as Acoustic Footprints. There's a new Wayne acoustic CD coming out soon. Has anybody heard or seen this line up yet? I think I'll go, at least for the Joni connection. Finally, does anybody remember Maggie Bell's Stone the Crow from the early 70's? She was the british Janis, IMHO. Vince, anybody? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:15:50 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Wayne Shorter, Brian Blade Laurent- This sounds like an excellent show especially if it is acoustic. I've seen all these guys perform individually but never as a group. I hope they bring this performance to the New England area. I did see Jean Luc Ponty, Al DiMeola and Stanley Clarke in an acoustic show together a few years back and it was fantastic. Enjoy the show and please give us a report :-) Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Laurent Olszer Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:24 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Wayne Shorter, Brian Blade Just listened to Bob's frisbee #20 "all that jazz". I particularly like the covers from those 3 cats I never hear of: Rainy Night House by Copland & Hagans, All I want by Jon Jang and the 2 by Dave Douglas. Fareed Haque's Woodstock is also interesting. Speaking of jazz, Wayne Shorter will play here in Paris next week with the "wonderful" Brian Blade and John Pattituci. The concert is listed as Acoustic Footprints. There's a new Wayne acoustic CD coming out soon. Has anybody heard or seen this line up yet? I think I'll go, at least for the Joni connection. Finally, does anybody remember Maggie Bell's Stone the Crow from the early 70's? She was the british Janis, IMHO. Vince, anybody? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:47:58 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: DED fan club And isn't it interesting that some of the songs on DED have become timely again. (I don't know why she apologized for it in CIFTC. She blew me away with that album.) Steve At 01:13 PM 3/6/03 +0000, you wrote: > > Thanks for the comeback, Mack, I tried my best to write that in a way that > > would coax you out of lurkdom...glad I was successful, and of course I > > respect your opinion and rejoice in your total love & devotion to DED. The > > differences are what makes the journey interesting. > > > > Bob > > >I can understand the grounds of Bob's criticism. However, I totally >concurr with Mack's review. So count me in the DED love & devotion fan >club. > >Regarding this poster who didn't like Hejira, I find the albums that are >easily accessible bore me after a few listens. Conversely, the ones that >require some effort can be enjoyed for a long time as one discovers new >things at every listen. > >Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:20:38 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: RE: Joni Canada Show Anyone willing to trade a copy of this for any other video or live Joni show??? Email me privately, Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:19:46 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: best joni sleeve cover/wanting to be Joni For me it has to be BLUE. It was my first Joni album buy and I was entranced by her cheekbones and the cast of her eyes. I loved the album (and still do...it resonates in my life today as strongly as it did then). I had not long got my first guitar and I spent ages pestering my mother to let my dye my long brown hair blonde, so that I could gaze soulfully down as I played the guitar and people would think that I was maybe Joni... I practised singing LIttle green for ages but couldn't make it fit the two chords I knew at the time....... and "All I want" was beyond me It was unlikely they ever would ever think I was Joni......... as I was a good 2 stone heavier, had no cheekbones to talk of, and my mother very sensibly decided to take me to a wig shop and try on long blonde wigs.. I DO NOT have the colouring for blonde hair.. so I remained a dark haired person... and concentrated on being Joan Baez instead... However, I don't think either Joni or Joan have ever sung "Streets of London" and my renditions of their songs were soooo bad that no-one (even had I gone blonde) would have mistaken me for "Joni sings Ralph McTell" nor even when I died my hair black, did I look anything like Joan Baez. I did consider changing my name to JOANI to combine the two but was not allowed to.... So Blue it has to be for all the memories of trying to find an image and remaining me... I was better off trying to sing like Sandy Denny and had some success with that.. now where is my old cheesecloth dress with the embroidered hem? hmmmm I must go and look... "farewell, farewell, to you who would hear, you lonely travellers all" Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:26:59 EST From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: A Walk On The Moon,etc. Ashara is so right! If you haven't seen this movie...run, don't walk, to your local video store! I remember going to see this movie when it came out. I was interested in the film because I had read it involved the 1969 Woodstock Festival. (The original Woodstock property is one of my favorite places. I've been there many times and even spent a few nights in a tent there in 1989...and yes, I saw Joni there in '98...sigh...but I digress). The movie blew me away. I didn't know the "Cactus Tree" scene was coming. I almost jumped out of my seat...such a great scene. I thought the filmmakers used Judy Collins' "Who Knows Where TheTime Goes" in a great way, too. Two buddies had reluctantly tagged along...they're more the action movie type...but they loved the movie! I've noticed they both own the terrific soundtrack CD, too! HA! Diane Lane (was this a warm-up for UNFAITHFUL?) and Liev Schreiber and Tovah Feldshue and Anna Paquin and Vitto Morgensen from LOTR do terrific work in this film. Plus, the director is ____Goldwyn, the actor who played the bad guy from the movie GHOST. If any of you listers haven't seen it, you're in for a treat. all the best, Harry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:34:08 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: A Walk On The Moon,etc. One of the true surprises of a movie. I never even heard of it but rented the dvd and was blown away. A real winner! Jerry np: Eva Cassidy - Fields of Gold Harry83house@aol.com wrote: > Ashara is so right! If you haven't seen this movie...run, don't walk, to > your local video store! I remember going to see this movie when it came > out. I was interested in the film because I had read it involved the 1969 > Woodstock Festival. (The original Woodstock property is one of my favorite > places. I've been there many times and even spent a few nights in a tent > there in 1989...and yes, I saw Joni there in '98...sigh...but I digress). > The movie blew me away. I didn't know the "Cactus Tree" scene was coming. I > almost jumped out of my seat...such a great scene. I thought the filmmakers > used Judy Collins' "Who Knows Where TheTime Goes" in a great way, too. Two > buddies had reluctantly tagged along...they're more the action movie > type...but they loved the movie! I've noticed they both own the terrific > soundtrack CD, too! HA! Diane Lane (was this a warm-up for UNFAITHFUL?) > and Liev Schreiber and Tovah Feldshue and Anna Paquin and Vitto Morgensen > from LOTR do terrific work in this film. Plus, the director is ____Goldwyn, > the actor who played the bad guy from the movie GHOST. If any of you > listers haven't seen it, you're in for a treat. all the best, > Harry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:11:39 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Walk On The Moon and Joni in Fiction Harry writes: << Plus, the director is ____Goldwyn, the actor who played the bad guy from the movie GHOST. >> That's *Tony* Goldwyn, Harry! How come I'm so smart? Because I went to the JMDL site, clicked on Joni in Fiction, and then Films. Once I got to Films, I went to "A Walk on the Moon" and clicked on the movie's title. From there, thanks to our wonderful Les and Lori, I got taken to everything I could ever want to know about "A Walk on the Moon" at the Internet Movie Database (imdb.com). So, remember . . . if you're ever wondering about movies that mention Joni or feature her music (we've found 29 so far) or short stories and novels that mention her (49 as of today) or Joni mentions in poetry, plays, or on TV, go to the world's best resource for that info at << http://www.jmdl.com/fiction/index.cfm >> and click away! We now have 137 Joni references with more being added all the time thanks to alert JMDLers everywhere! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:55:05 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: CBC Life and Times Stephen wrote: > My 10 year old daughter Jordan, called 15 minutes in to say she was > trying to tape something on TV and saw a Joni thing on CBC! How cool > is that? > > She then proceeded to comment that Joni looks like a wrinkly Siamese > cat!!! The nerve! Joni just might take that as a compliment!! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:32:37 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Looks like Mackie's back in town Bob, you sly dog. I had a feeling that this is what you were up to but I couldn't resist which obviously you knew. Have moved to Wisconsin. Found a record store the other day that actually had albums. It was great. Perused the used cd's (which were actually catalogued and in order, definitely not something I am used to) and found two Gino Vanelli's and Carole King Fantasy ON CD. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have hunted for the latter for years. Rank that album right up with anything our dear Joan has done. Still trying out Mingus and it is definitely gonna have to grow on me. The thread about Hejira has been interesting as well for though I do find a couple of cuts very good, the album overall leaves me cold, icily so. Kind of like this Wisconsin weather. Again, wow! Nevertheless, not far from Chicago, Minneapolis, or Michigan and looking forward to getting out and seeing some things. np: Gino Vanelli-Inconsolable Man (not his best at first listen but can't lose with him, to me) ----- Original Message ----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: courtandspark@earthlink.net ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Looks like Mackie's back in town Thanks for the comeback, Mack, I tried my best to write that in a way that would coax you out of lurkdom...glad I was successful, and of course I respect your opinion and rejoice in your total love & devotion to DED. The differences are what makes the journey interesting. Bob NP: Alana Davis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:35:24 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni tv show hi so where do we sign up for the tree??? :-) ron np - ani - 1999.06.20 (no track list) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:49:22 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: joni tv show good question - or are we not going to bother because it'll show in the US in under a month? Plus, part 2 has yet to even air.... - -Chris NP: Style Council - Long Hot Summer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 5:35 PM Subject: joni tv show > hi > > > so where do we sign up for the tree??? :-) > > > > ron > np - ani - 1999.06.20 (no track list) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 01:41:10 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni covers hi sit down bob we're talking about her album covers :-) (btw i have to agree with the person who dissed the cc version of byt - it was refreshing to hear at first but its getting so much play here ive grown sick of it) anyhow -- the album which best describes the contents to me is ded. joni getting ripped at by those dogs larry klein & all them other guest artists. (gee - guess you can tell im a cat person :-) joni trying to look trendy & poppy but just looking garish & horrible & grotesque. sorry mack - i really loved your posts while you were getting into this album. youve inspired me to really make an effort & keep trying - but the only track that gets me is "smokin" - something adventurous & original & doesnt take itself too seriously. love cranking this one up loud - but i gotta wonder what the neighbours think!!!!.... i just get this overwhelming impression of schizophrenia from the album. joni's contribution is great. larry's is just plain boring cliched pop (ok - im assuming a lot here cause i dont know that thats how it really was) - they just dont belong together. listen to the music on some tracks and theres this cheezy pop sound - tho to be quite honest with a couple of nice embellishments. and youre waiting for madonna with some cheesy pop performance and lyrics (with crotch grabbing on the video????). suddenly you get jonis classy performance & everything clashes. try as she might to fit in, and i get the impression she genuinely did try - she cant. thats a *good* thing.... gets my vote as the album that really needs re-recording. i think the songs there could be great if joni were let lose without any interference. but hey - ill keep trying...... ron np - ani - 1999.06.22 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:29:9 -0600 From: "William C. Burnworth/Tim Callaghan" Subject: Larry Klein interview in Performing Songwriter Hi all, Just received the March/April Performing Songwriter magazine with a cover-billed interview with Larry Klein about "Joni Mitchell's producing secrets". When asked about his upcoming projects he mentions he's been talking to Joni about some things. Don't know if it's up at www.performingsongwriter.com . Love and happy March to all..special thanks to Lucy for your wonderful posts! np: Zarah Leander: "Yesterday" William Burnworth/Tim CallaghanCastalian Springcspringj@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: The CBC tv show tree I think it's been agreed that most of the people in the U.S. will be waiting until the show airs on PBS "American Masters." Andrea and I tentatively agreed to cooperate on dubbing the CBC show for anyone who was interested but I guess that's only going to happen if, for some odd reason, the PBS show doesn't air or is different. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:44:28 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Larry Klein interview in Performing Songwriter At 3/6/2003 05:29 PM, William C. Burnworth/Tim Callaghan wrote: >Hi all, Just received the March/April Performing Songwriter magazine with >a cover-billed interview with Larry Klein about "Joni Mitchell's >producing secrets". When asked about his upcoming projects he mentions >he's been talking to Joni about some things. Don't know if it's up at >www.performingsongwriter.com . Just part of it is. Is there someone out there that could send me a scan of this article for the Library? Thanks, Les NP: Chris Thile "Harvest Time" Denver 3/1/03 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:29:54 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Re: DED fan club Laurent wrote: > I can understand the grounds of Bob's criticism. However, I totally > concurr with Mack's review. So count me in the DED love & devotion fan > club. I'm also a big fan of DED. Maybe it's because I'm a child of the 80's. I also have CMIARS another try this week (on continuous play all day) and it's grown on me, too! But I'm still surprised by the amount of "anti-Larry" feeling people express when talking about DED. I think Thomas Dolby had far more influence over the sound of this album than Larry Klein - something I think is verified by Larry's contributions to other albums since, and even previously, eg. WTRF. I'm certainly no expert, but I also think he's a pretty damn good bass player. And does anyone really think Joni could be pushed in a direction she didn't want to go?! Hell NP: Dave Dobbyn - Feel Someone Else's Pain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:13:48 EST From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Joni Album Cover Art Set the way back machine Sherman 1968 Detroit, Michigan. Muscle cars,RockinRoll festivals with Ice Cream trucks selling Strawberry Hill Wine, Ted Nugent Rules. And one 6'4" 150 lb high school kid kinda looked like a nerdy Allen Ginsburg who reads City Light Books and is itching to fly west to San Francisco or east to Harvard Square. Back then record albums were HUGE compred to current CD cases, when I saw Joni's Blue Eyes and the Red Two lips on Clouds I was a goner,( Margaret a Chanel # 5 wearing Neil Diamond girl friend could not understand me) it was up on my shelf in my bed room till For the Roses Came out.When I opened up the inside of that album I knew I had to catch that jet plane to the West Coast and Hitch Hike up the coast highway to Find that rock to stand on and have a moment of nirvana. I did but only got to Cresent City California before I got Detoured up toward the Applegate River to be with a blond who played old folk tunes real sweet on her guitar next to the waterfalls filled with Naiads and Satyrs smoking local weed. Cool Cool Water! Next Episode The Free Wheelin trip up Mass Ave. NP Nanci Griffith Summer Wages by Ian Tyson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: A little older Klein interview Howdy, y'all! Saw Klein's name come up in the last few days and was prompted to give him a five minute google browse tonight. Found a short interview of Larry that contained a little Joni story I hadn't heard before.....thought I'd share. Penny NP: Goodbye Blue Sky - Joni and James Galway Here's the link for the whole interview from June 2002. http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_larry_klein_doing/ The relationship you have with Joni Mitchell is very provocative and highly personal. What would you say you've learned from it? Through the records I've worked on with her, I think she kind of groomed me. I had to be slapped around a little bit, in respect to certain ways I dealt with her toward the beginning of our creative collaborations. I had to acquire a sense of syntax, how to say things that aren't critical, demeaning and dismissive. Also, knowing when to say something is such an important thing in the creative process. You have to stay aware of the spirit in a room and not hammer down someone's enthusiasm when it's in a delicate state. Also, realizing that there's an element of mystery and serendipity involved with making records; it's not always a rational and linear process. All these things she helped a lot with me learning, and some of them I had to learn the hard way. What are you currently doing with Joni? I'm preparing all the music for a two-record set of her songs that we're recontextualizing for orchestra. It's sort of a retrospective examination of her works, through up to her now 18th record. It'll be looking back through all this work she's done with orchestra and 10 different instrumental groups. The goal is to make people more aware of the compositional innovations she's done through her career. It'll be a lot of music, 24 songs. We'll be tracking it in London with the orchestra and finish it in the studio here [Santa Monica, Calif.], adding Wayne Shorter as the featured soloist. I'll also be working with Vince Mendoza. He's a very talented orchestrator/arranger and composer in his own right, and we've teamed up for about four other projects previously. What's the craziest Joni Mitchell story you tell can me without her getting mad? She's always had a serendipitous, mystical sense of timing, which has always astounded me. There was one incident where we were working on a song we'd written together for a record of hers. At a certain point, she wanted to go down the street to this American Indian antique convention at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium. I said, ?Oh no, you can't go down there. You'll be there for hours and we're on the clock here.? Then all of sudden, BOOM! Lightning struck somewhere around the studio and the power went out. So everything had to be reset, and there were some problems with the console. So she said, ?Okay, I'm going down to the Indian event.? I started dreading that she would be there for hours, but almost about the same time that we got everything up and running, she returned. With her was an Indian movie actor, Iron Eyes Cody, who had been in all these John Wayne movies and other westerns. So we ended up incorporating him chanting over this song [?Lakota,? from Chalkmark in a Rain Storm ], which ended up working out really well. But it was this chain of weird, synchronystic, serendipitous events that led to her coming back with this Indian chief. Yahoo! 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