From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #80 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 080 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Martin Simpson (SJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Some trivia - Joni "blesses" Crows' BYT [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project [dsk ] joni cover art [dsk ] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JMDL project [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: Joni's cover art [Fauchja@aol.com] my two joni cents ["walterphil" ] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["J.David Sapp" <] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["mack watson-bus] RE: Joni looks ["Heather" ] Looks like Mackie's back in town [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Joni Mitchell - Memoir [] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #162 [Freddyb4@aol.com] Re: Cactus Tree [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project ["kakki" ] CBC Life and Times [frasere@intergate.ca] Today in History: March 6 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: March 6 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:46:09 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Martin Simpson (SJC) Steve Dulson wrote:- > > > I saw the wonderful English folkie Martin Simpson last night and > was blown away. I can't believe I've missed him all these years - > only saw him once before, backing up June Tabor. > > Anyway, after finishing his first set with a furious "Masters > of War" he came back after the break and said "I think you > deserve some love songs now." He then talked about Joni, and > about how good Travelogue is, and how dumb Rolling Stone's > review of it was, all as a lead-in to playing "A Case of You". > Oh, he also said that when he was growing up in Scunthorpe, > he REALLY didn't want to be there - but he was able to escape > every time he played a Joni song. Obviously a huge fan. He > has fairly recently moved to New Orleans - watch out for him, > Paz man > Steve, you've upset me! I was all lined to go to see Martin in a concert > just 6 miles from my UK home a couple of months ago but had to cancel at > the last minute. I've never seen him live but have a few of his albums and > have admired his guitar playing for years. Now you tell me he's a Joni fan > too - not something I would have guessed and, if he's now living in New > Orleans, I'm not likely to get another chance for a while. And he sang my > favourite Joni song! Lucky you is all I can say. Take care Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:53:56 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some trivia - Joni "blesses" Crows' BYT In a message dated 3/5/2003 3:37:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, donjuansrd80@hotmail.com writes: > Big Yellow Taxi is > such a great song but she has so many songs just as great that for some > reason, have been covered but, don't reach the charts as > much as this one. Plus it reinforces the public's image that Joni is an icon out of the 60's & 70's as opposed to a present force to be reckoned with. Sounds as though the CBC/PBS TV broadcast is going to pretty much gloss over her post C&S era as well. Bob NP: Wendy MaHarry, "Brand Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:00:33 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > While I will agree with you both on the paintings, Joni had chosen most of > her songs (including "The Dawntreader", "Sire of Sorrow", "Borderline") prior > to 9/11, so I don't think her choice of songs was any anti-war message for > T'Log. I know she'd chosen some songs prior to 9/11 because the tribute in Canada where she sang to the recorded symphony was pre-9/11 (I think, but am not sure about that since it seems like that was rather recent... must be the power of those enthusiastic posts about it.) I read somewhere that she gave Vince Mendoza a list of songs at the last minute that she wanted him to orchestrate, and my thought was some of those songs may have been post-9/11, when there was the expectation of bombing Afghanistan. Or, if they are all pre-9/11 choices, she's more of a visionary than I realized! Debra Shea P.S. I'm still intrigued and curious as to why she would chose Dawntreader. I'm glad she did, just wonder what her choosing reasoning was, for any of the songs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:19:17 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Joni looks Ciao joniphiles, I think Joni is quite attractive, but in a cold, Nordic way. An old girlfriend once angrily asked me if I "wanted to $%*? Joni" because she was a little jealous of my playing her stuff so much. Actually, I always thought I would like to have Joni as an older sister :~) The attraction for me, anyway, has always been more intellectual than physical. Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:24:27 -0500 From: dsk Subject: joni cover art JSerkes@aol.com wrote: > > > Which is her "best" album cover, and why? > > To me Nyrogrl, BLUE is the best. Only because I believe she took the cue from > Laura Nyro, and basically copied (which is so unJoni) the "First Album, and > Eli" portrait concept. Joni loved Laura, and I so groove on that. Just a > thought. That's interesting. I don't know that Laura album cover and am curious now so will go looking for it. I always thought she took the "Blue" idea from the Miles Davis album cover of "Kind of Blue", which is a blue-tinged closeup portrait also. And, since he's one of her heros, thought perhaps she'd been influenced by that. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:22:45 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project In a message dated 3/5/2003 3:59:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > P.S. I'm still intrigued and curious as to why she would chose > Dawntreader. I'm glad she did, just wonder what her choosing reasoning > was, for any of the songs. > According to her "Words From a Woman of Heart and Mind" interview in the 2/8/01 issue of Billboard Magazine, Joni said "We're also doing 'The Dawntreader' from my first record. I'm just distilling what I think are essential songs in terms of my best writing but bearing in mind what translates to symphonic production." You may be right about her being visionary. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:42:41 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project Debra wrote: > Or, if they are all pre-9/11 choices, she's more of a visionary than > I realized! I was listening to the Travelogue version of "Otis and Marlena" last Friday night as I drove through the snow, and this part of a verse jumped out at me: Always the grand parades of cellulite Jiggling to her golden pools Through flock and cupid colonnades They jiggle into surgery Hopefully beneath the blade They dream of golden beauty They've come for sun and fun While Muslims stick up Washington On the JMDL site, there has always been this explanation: http://www.jmdl.com/glossary/muslims.cfm but I wondered to myself - as I considered the often shallow and self- absorbed nature of so many Americans versus the hard reality of the way so much of the rest of the world lives - if Joni doesn't have a bit of precognitive ability as well ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 16:42:56 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Re: Alliterate Joni hi! This is one of my favourites:"You snipe so steadyYou snub so snide -So ripe and readyTo diminish and eride!You're so quick to condescend, My opinionated friendAll you deface, all you defendIs just a borderline"and all through that song there are plenty of examples... --Rachel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:27:26 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL project and put some flowers round the room? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:33:08 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's cover art In a message dated 3/5/2003 1:49:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > >Which is her "best" album cover, and why? > > The back side of For the Roses (lp) because you get to see Joni's > beautifully unclothed backside. > >Which cover best describes the musical and/or lyrical content of that > >album? > In My opinion, WTRF>>>> Fauchja ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:45:42 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: my two joni cents best album cover? easy--for the roses- maybe a bit prejudiced cause its my fave lp but i think the blue green filter is amazing and i just love joni's face AND that outfit best descriptive of contents inside? has to be song to a seagull that illustration literally has half the songs within the drawing! and joni representation? clouds and travelog i just love those paintings and each well represents joni at that point in her life i find the van gogh portrait trite and embarrassing onto my reactions on first listening to joni lps--- (clouds & ladies) i initially only reacted to the more rolickin tunes (ie: chelsea and conversation) but eventually of course warmed up to the entire lps. went back and bought "seagull", and loved it (the best of the 3 i thought) (still do!!) and then proceeded to buy the albums as they came out NEVER once being dissapointed finding all of them fresh and amazing UNTIL "wild things"-(so pedestrian, for joni, i thought horrible painting as well) the same with "dog" and "chalkmark" (i eventually LEARNED to like several songs from each of these) but "night ride home" set things on track again for me with "turbulent" and "taming the tiger" completeing a "comeback"(for me) trio. one odd thing-i remember when "hissing" came out in the dead of winter--(such a summery album) and conversely "hejira" came out in the middle of summer! it didn't bother me-i like mixing up the seasons (i have christmas lights in my windows year round!) and...they're comming to take me away ha ha.... one last thing-its nice that joni and ex hubby are chattin-let's just pray it isn't a musical collaboration! xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:54:35 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project Bob - so true on both counts. There are some beautiful acoustic versions of DED, The Three Great Stimulants & Lakota (CMIARS) out there. Impossible Dreamer would have been a good closer on T'log - no I think a GREAT closer. I think Three Great Stimulants would have been thematically perfect for T'log plus it has a gorgeous melody. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:18:23 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project Bob rated: > Good Friends (an OK pop song)C+ Gotta give that one at least an A- and love the sentiments there. > Fiction (Much too busy lyrically)F Oh no. A+++. And the busy-ness of the lyrics is what makes it so grand. > The Three Great Stimulants (solid Joni, literate & pensive) A- Agree on that one. > Tax Free (Preachy rhetorical lyrics, anti-melodic) F A+++. Can't beat this one. Don't find it preachy at all. As a matter of fact, seems anti-preachy to me. Guess one could see it either way. > Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) (A novelty throwawy, coulda been a contender and some funky bass work) C- A+ Love it just the way it is. A keeper with me. > Dog Eat Dog (Great song, weak production)A A+ Think they said it just the way it should have been said. > Shiny Toys (Good production (for what it was), weak song)D This one I didn't like. F. > Ethiopia (Beautiful and so sad) A A+++ > Impossible Dreamer (ditto but a bit more hopeful) A A++++ Can't improve on perfection. > Lucky Girl (another OK pop song)C B+ Nothing wrong with pop. Too bad she won't go trendy for a flavor or the month again. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:22:50 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni looks That's very refreshing Dave! Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cuneo Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:19 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni looks Ciao joniphiles, I think Joni is quite attractive, but in a cold, Nordic way. An old girlfriend once angrily asked me if I "wanted to $%*? Joni" because she was a little jealous of my playing her stuff so much. Actually, I always thought I would like to have Joni as an older sister :~) The attraction for me, anyway, has always been more intellectual than physical. Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:24:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Looks like Mackie's back in town Thanks for the comeback, Mack, I tried my best to write that in a way that would coax you out of lurkdom...glad I was successful, and of course I respect your opinion and rejoice in your total love & devotion to DED. The differences are what makes the journey interesting. Bob NP: Alana Davis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:28:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Joni Mitchell - Memoir Yeah. About the time of the "Both Sides Now" tour, we heard about a multiple-book contract. I'm thinking it was rumored to be 3 books, including a book of visual art, an autobiography, and a book of poetry. The last one showed up as a collection of only the officially-released song lyrics (albeit claiming to be the "complete" book of lyrics "and Poetry" if I recall correctly which can NEVER be assumed.) The "voices" book was absolutely worth the modest price for the detail of some of the canvases alone. As I've said before, I don't *want* Roberta Joan / Joan / Joni / Norma to write an autobiography. How awful would it be to finish your autobiography and turn it in? How awful would it be to have Norma giving interviews about her creative years, putting a capstone on it all? All I really want our list...... to....... do...... is to goad her into writing. I loved the comment that Robin Williams made when he accepted a Grammy for a recording of a tour of stand-up comedy dates. Robin said, >>>>>> I want to thank Chris Rock for telling me, "Get your old-ass out there and *TOUR*." >>>>>> Joni, get this: Collect your old-ass bifocals, your old-ass notepad, your old-ass felt-tip pens; sit your old-ass out on the metaphorical rock and WRITE!! Lama, PS, I'm thinking that Bobby survived being type-cast as "the next Woody Guthrie". I mean, for a copy-cat, he did okay. The sneering Donald Fagen survived being compared to the sarcastic Dylan. (Sample lyric from "Can't Buy A Thrill": "a world become one/of salads and sun/only a fool would say that.") It seems like maybe that guy from Asbury Park survived growing up in death-trap, a suicide rap. I guess Joni distinguished herself as something other than Judy Collins' shadow. It's become obvious with "ones and zeroes" that Bryan isn't a Prince clone. Maybe it's just cause spring is almost here- I'm kinda... what's the word I'm looking for..... uh.... positive? No, *optomistic*. How weird. NP: "Pretty Ballarina" by the left banke (Thanks, Kakki!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:35:53 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #162 In a message dated 05/03/2003 18:19:37 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Inflexibility? Intolerance? Gosh, Freddy, sounds like you could > teach religion a few things. Such a blanket condemnation puts > you in the same class of people who say "ALL gays are...", "ALL > blacks are...", "ALL Asians are...", etc., etc. > > Disgustedly, > - -- > Yeah I wrote that, no use denying it, but I see religion as just a form of politics, my criticism is aimed at the hierarchy rather than the people who chose to believe in a God, just as I may be critical of a government, and not the people who voted for them, or the people they rule. "Blanket comdemnation" Yes, but one could argue that religion brought that on its self, something that has been discussed here over recent months, we are on this list because we like Joni Mitchell, we have something in common, but I would never expect everyone to share my every point of view. In the same list as my comment Vince posted a reply that in many ways countered what I had written. I was critical of all religion, and because of that it would seem you all must assume I am as critical about Gays, Blacks and Asians etc, etc. I Have no problem with any of them, do you ? I am sorry but in 52 years I have found nothing to make me want to believe in God, in fact the opposite is true, and if the number of church goers is anything to go buy, I am not alone. Before anyone says, yes I had a go at illegal immigrants a while ago, the known figure for last year topped 110,000, there are 10s of thousands more. If you think this is not a problem, then that is something else we will have to differ on freddyb "Right said Fred, have to take the door off, that there door is gonna hav ta go" Bernard Cribbins Classic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:51:24 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Cactus Tree Mitch wrote: <> This is SUCH a great Joni moment!! The *perfect* song for a *perfect* movie scene! I wrote about this movie when it first came out, and will reitterate that this scene with Cactus Tree as the backdrop is absolutely wonderful!! Everyone should go to their local video store and rent this now!!! Hugs, Ashara {Yeah, yeah, I know I am a day late and a dollar short, but I am finally catching up on a week's worth of e-mail on the plane back from Vancouver.} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:16:22 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: sounds like joni is thinking about her next project I viewed her T'log paintings as a chronicle of actual history-changing events without a whole lot of hidden subtext other than some religious/cultural symbols surrounding the conflict. I recall her choice of songs for T'log were listed here before 9/11, too. To be repetitive, she said a few weeks after 9/11 that she viewed the conflict as the result of the "violence in film and movies exported by the U.S." I thought it a different kind of viewpoint at the time, but have come to agree with her in large part. The world has become desensitized to the ramifications of true violence. My reactiion to her recent comments as she was found listening to several talk radio shows is: 1. It is interesting that she is fascinated (maybe a little hooked) by them. 2. I hope she does not in the future dispel her global vision of the situation based on them. (Better to widen the vision and understanding by enrolling in some history classes down the street at UCLA and reading a variety of news and other reports at the library or on the internet). 3. If she writes new songs about "it's all about oil" I think she will be cheating her creative muse. (Although perhaps a self-deprecating ditty about owning an SUV might be fun). I've always thought she was prophetic and a visionary. I hope she can find that higher vision in the songs she may write on the state of the world today. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 23:32:33 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: best cover describing musical/lyrical content Hell asked: "Which cover best describes the musical and/or lyrical content of that album?" My vote goes for "Song to a Seagull." I think the album cover clearly shows what the listener is in store for. I love that Joni has divided the album into two parts and labeled them as "Part 1 - I Came To The City" and "Part 2 - - Out of the City, and Down to the Seaside." The artwork on the front cover clearly reflects Part 2, while the artwork on the backside reflects Part I. I like the photograph of Joni walking in the dreary weather through the dirty city, next to garbage cans, carrying all her belongings, and looking like a poor, young, struggling musician trying to make it - which is what she was. The songs also reflect this period of her life, living in a tenement castle, in a cobblestone sea, where the beaches were concrete, and the stars paid a lightbill. A noisy city where cab drivers are unfriendly, and where lonely people go window shopping in the rain. But at night, the city is pretty with all the lights that go waltzing in time. The artwork with the sea scene is a happier time, with sun on your shoulders and wind in your hair. You can leave your city satins behind and listen to the songs that the rigging makes. There are dolphins, mermaids, seagulls, and pirates. But once again, there is always another opposing view, such as when sandcastles crumble. I know Joni was not a big fan of her own curly-Q artstyle, but I especially love the way the seagulls are flying above the sunset to spell "Song to a Seagull." There is even a "cactus tree" in the artwork. Did someone mention that Joni appeared daisy-laden in her wedding photos from the WOHAM series that was just aired in Canada? The artwork on "Song to a Seagull" shows what appears to be a distorted headpiece above hair with daisies woven in. There may even be some pieces of "drip-dry and paisley"(Chuck?)here. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:14:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: w-word/Fiddle and Drum Kate Bennett wrote: > has anyone ever figured out the guitar chords to this song? i'd like to try > performing it as such with very simple guitar strums... This is a weird, dissonant song, not unlike Roses Blue and others she was writing at that time. It's also hard to know exactly what chord she may have been hearing in her head under the melody. But here's what it sounds like to me (the record is in Bb modulating up to C but I say capo that baby on the first fret and play it in "A") I'm using a Asus2 for the first and last chord, which sounds more "Joni" to me than a straight A Major. No matter how you slice it, there are some odd changes that will take you out of first position, especially after modulating. And [Asus2] so, once again, my dear [F] Johnny my dear friend And [Am] so, once again, you are [G#] fighting us all And [E/B bass] when we ask you why You [Am] raise your slicks and cry and we fall [A]Oh my friend, how did you [D/F#bass] come to trade the [D/A bass] fiddle for the [Asus2] drum Modulating up one step, the new chords would be Bsus2 / G / Bm / A# / F#/C#bass / Bm / B / E/G#bass E/B bass / Bsus2 Note the way it changes from major to minor and back to major again. On the A chord after 'fall' I hear it as straight major. Exactly where the last few chords fall is a matter of interpretation. Asus2, fretting low to high: 0,0,2,2,0,0 D/F#bass (D with F# bass) play low F# with thumb on 6th str. This will get you playing in the key of the record, but there may be a more elegant way of laying out the chords in a different key (key of C perhaps). RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:02:34 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: CBC Life and Times Greetings all! Last nights broadcast was truly magnificent! Catherine, Kate, Andrew, Ranger Rick. And all who posted, did so perfectly. All my friends called to tell me it was being broadcast. As far away as London, Ontario! My 10 year old daughter Jordan, called 15 minutes in to say she was trying to tape something on TV and saw a Joni thing on CBC! How cool is that? She then proceeded to comment that Joni looks like a wrinkly Siamese cat!!! The nerve! The programme was superbly done. Well produced and edited, current day Joni shot beautifully, and coming across quite lucidly. Many wonderful old clips interspersed with great guests- Crosby, Nash, James Taylor, David Geffen (to my surprise), Elliot Roberts. Lots we have seen before- the Johnny Cash Show, The Pink Dress concert, Dick Cavett. But really so well edited that all seemed almost brand new. And some we have not seen- Joni stills and movies as a child- stunning!- the incredibly intimate pictures from her wedding to Chuck.red cape running on the beach so well described by Andrew. The Laurel Canyon days really came thru beautifully. Often my heart felt pangs and tears welled up in my eyes. Joni was so lovingly portrayed, and held in such incredible artistic awe by the guests One clearly understood how important and life altering the effect she had on them was. Not only on them, but the music industry and our life and times as well. Over and over it was clearly said her uniqueness has not been met before, nor since. I must agree! And even as a youngster, Joni came across so profoundly. It was apparent way back then, that she was far ahead of the crowd in her way of looking at life and the world. Her vision of how she wished to express herself artistically was firmly in place. This will surely end up being one of our favourite Joni videos. I am eagerly awaiting next Tuesdays broadcast of part 2. Who knows what it will hold? Bob Muller remarked that he didnt hold out much hope that the latter part of her career will be given its due based upon her midstream changes from genre to genre, and the incredible artistic leaps she took. Well, that was clearly portrayed in part one, that she was doing it then. I can only assume the same for next week. A pure joy to watch! And thanks to the loan of Blue Smurfs Cupcake, the evening was most enjoyable ;-) Best to all, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Marcio Faraco- Ciranda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 02:12:22 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 6 1983: Joni performed at Budokan in Tokyo. This show was recorded for FM broadcast in Japan. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 02:12:22 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 6 On March 6 the following items were published: 1976: "1976 Nassau Concert Review" - Record World (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=433 1997: "Melancholy Meets the Infinite Sadness" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=309 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #80 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)