From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #77 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 077 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Quincy Jones & JONI [simon@icu.com] Joni, CBC, tomorrow at 7 pm [Little Bird ] Re: Hejira...... and others ["Rache A" ] w-word [Doug ] Re: Hejira...... and others [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: w-word (joni content) [Dan Olson ] Re: JMDL project [Dflahm@aol.com] [none] ["Timothy Spong" ] RE: w-word (joni content) [Doug ] Re: w-word (joni content) [Dan Olson ] Re: Helplessly Hoping [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #76 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Today in History: March 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: March 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:42:11 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Quincy Jones & JONI on Sun, 02 Mar 2003 David Marine wrote > Hey List -- This from the PBS site: > "Joni Mitchell performed on Quincy Jones' 1986 book/recording, > Children First." Anyone have any info on this? David, RE: "CHILDREN FIRST: a celebration of children" by Top Photographers and Recording Artists here's the text from the back cover. "A Beautiful Book and CD collaboration featuring photographs by Bruce Weber, Steven Meisel, Arthur Elgart, and more than seventy other top photographers, as well as music by Eric Clapton, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Holly Palmer, Nu Flavor, Me'Shell Ndegeocello, and other outstanding recording artists. CHILDREN FIRST A Special package To Benefit Homes For The Homeless. the enclosed CD contains Joni's LOTC version of "For Free". here's the Forward to the book. Since its inception in 1986, 'Homes For The Homeless' has served more than 9,000 homeless families and 21,300 homeless children. The donation you have made by purchasing "CHILDREN FIRST: A CELEBRATION OF CHILDREN" will allow them to continue to develop creative strategies for battling the effects of homelessness and urban poverty on the lives of children and their families. Today there are approximately 2.3 million homeless children in America. That is unacceptable in a country that boasts of being the greatest nation on the planet. The children of our country are our future, and as we approach the twenty-first century, we can't afford to let them grow up without the skills necessary to survive in the new century. if we do, the end result will be continued growth of the homeless community. with a philosophy that education is the key to breaking the cycle of homelessness and poverty, Homes For The Homeless and the programs that they have developed are not only sucessfulin ending this horrific cycle of homelessness, but in breaking the cycle of dependcy as well. Quincy Jones hopefully this answers your question. andmoreagain, - ------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:54:33 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni, CBC, tomorrow at 7 pm I'll be taping the show tomorrow on CBC but wonder if it's necessary to send it to the U.S. since it's the same program on PBS's "American Masters." I'll have the tape, regardless, if it's needed for dubbing. Andrea, let me know if it's needed. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:04:24 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: Re: Hejira...... and others Hejira is definitely one of my favourite albums. Have you ever listened to it while travelling? Though I can't explain why really, it is particularly wonderful then. Just last summer I was listening to it travelling, and in Black Crow at "I looked out the window and I saw that ragged soul take flight" I did look out the window and a crow just flew out of a tree into the blue sky... I haven't gotten out to a music store in a while, and haven't had a chance to get the Eva Cassidy cd with Woodstock on it, and am curious how she does it. Has anyone heard it? If you haven't heard of Eva Cassidy, she's great, I would definitely reccomend buying a cd. As far as I know, she never had a record deal, but friends put together cd's of performances. i have a question about some more lyrics...when Joni covered Sugar Mountain before it was released, the verses were in a different order, too, and I'm not sure what the beginning is of this verse: "___________________________________/And you're starting down the road/And it's funny how you feel/'Cause you're findin' out it's real" what is the Girls in the Valley cd? I hadn't heard of it until I looked at the 'artist search' on msn and it was listed...without any information. Can't wait to see Woman of Heart and Mind... ciao - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:22:17 -0500 From: Doug Subject: w-word >From the Toronto Star interview: Instead her radios are tuned to talk stations offering news flashes and political commentary, which all seem like madness to her. "I wander through my house trying to get a picture of what is happening to the human psyche," she says in a tone that's both perplexed and angry. That would be enough to send anyone off the deep end. She should come here and talk to us, we don't talk about the w-word ( on Joni-only ). From my perspective as an outsider (Canadian), She described the situation herself perfectly well in 1968 with her lament, The Fiddle and the Drum. And so once again My dear Johnny my dear friend And so once again you are fighting' us all And when I ask you why You raise your sticks and cry, and I fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say I have turned Like the enemies you've earned But I can remember All the good things you are And so I ask you please Can I help you find the peace and the star Oh, my friend What time is this To trade the handshake for the fist And so once again Oh, America my friend And so once again You are fighting us all And when we ask you why You raise your sticks and cry and we fall Oh, my friend How did you come To trade the fiddle for the drum You say we have turned Like the enemies you've earned But we can remember All the good things you are And so we ask you please Can we help you find the peace and the star Oh my friend We have all come To fear the beating of your drum Joni Mitchell 1968 If anyone has personal opinions on the w-word please use NJC. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:25:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira...... and others In a message dated 3/3/2003 7:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, posall@hotmail.com writes: > Have you ever listened > to it while travelling? Though I can't explain why really, it is > particularly wonderful then. Yes, it's pretty wonderful anytime, but when she kicks it off with a classic 'road song' like Coyote, peppered with her singing, "on the freeee-freeeee-way..." it makes for a perfect traveling companion. > I haven't gotten out to a music store in a while, and haven't had a > chance to get the Eva Cassidy cd with Woodstock on it, and am curious how > she does it. Has anyone heard it? Yes, many of us have. I don't think Eva was capable of mishandling a song, and she turns in one of the prettiest Woodstocks ever done. > what is the Girls in the Valley cd? > It's just a re-shuffling of Ladies Of The Canyon, released in Europe and sold in North America as an "import". It also features the freakish "Joni as Mr. Peanut" caricature cover. Bob NP: Joni, "The Way It Is" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:48:40 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: w-word (joni content) This most unusual Joni Mitchell song is unique in that any of us can sing it to ourselves (in the proper tempo), and it sounds perfect, because it is supposed to be sung unaccompanied. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to read (sing to ourselves) and feel the power of these timely lyrics. Dig the key change for the third and fourth verse. At 08:22 PM 3/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >From my perspective as an outsider (Canadian), She described the > situation herself >perfectly well in 1968 with her lament, The Fiddle and the Drum. > > And so once again > My dear Johnny my > dear friend > And so once again > you are fighting' us all > And when I ask you why > You raise your > sticks and cry, and I fall > Oh, my friend > How did you come > To trade the fiddle > for the drum > > You say I have turned > Like the enemies > you've earned > But I can remember > All the good things > you are > And so I ask you please > Can I help you find > the peace and the star > Oh, my friend > What time is this > To trade the > handshake for the fist > > And so once again > Oh, America my friend > And so once again > You are fighting us all > And when we ask you why > You raise your > sticks and cry and we fall > Oh, my friend > How did you come > To trade the fiddle > for the drum > > You say we have turned > Like the enemies > you've earned > But we can remember > All the good things > you are > And so we ask you please > Can we help you find > the peace and the star > Oh my friend > We have all come > To fear the beating > of your drum > > Joni Mitchell 1968 > >If anyone has personal opinions on the w-word please use NJC. > >Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:41:31 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL project We could consider a group contribution in her name to a worthy cause. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 04:07:43 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: [none] Michael O'Malley wrote (in part) In the Satuday Globe and Mail (Canada's National Newspaper, which I read religiously every Saturday morn) there was a great little bit about k.d. Lang's desert island discs, as noted recently in Downbeat Magazine. Downbeat asked the 41-year-old native of Consort, Alberta to name the five recordings she would need lf stranded on the proverbial desert island. Bobs take note: Her choices: Hejira by Joni Mitchell (yeah!); Latin a la Love, by Peggy Lee; Season of Glass by Yoko Ono (not for the faint of heart); the songs Let's Get Lost and Lush Life, as performed, respectively, by Chet Baker and Johnny Hartman with J. Coltrane, and Warm Valley or Blood Count by long-time Ellington saxophonist, Johnnny Hodges. Ya got to give her credit, this lady's got taste, eh! The same day I read this, I read on the Joan Baez list-service digest -- I've had several days' backlog of JB and JM list digests to read -- a post containing the full text of a magazine or newspaper article, an interview with Ms. Baez where she names Joni's "Turbulent Indigo" (describing it as "so beautiful") and a Leonard Cohen album (which I can't now identify; that digest has been deleted from my account) as two for her desert-island collection. And to sort of close the loop, new JMDL member Emiliano (!Bienvenido! Bemvindo! Bienvenu! Benevenuto!) signs off one of his posts with NP: Silver Dagger -- Joan Baez. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:15:42 -0500 From: Doug Subject: RE: w-word (joni content) I bought my copy of Clouds when I was 12. I loved the album and played it over and over but I always skipped The Fiddle And The Drum. I didn't like a capella songs. Now when I play the CD I don't skip it, I appreciate it. I guess you could say I've seen Clouds from both sides, now. ha ha Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:56:41 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: w-word (joni content) I think she was stung by criticism of the "in your face" lyrics, opting to be more subtle about her political commentary in later years. Dan, Drake CO, USA At 10:50 PM 3/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I bought my copy of Clouds when I was 12. I loved the album and played it >over and over but I always skipped The Fiddle And The Drum >I didn't like a capella songs. Now when I play the CD I don't skip it, I >appreciate it. > >I guess you could say I've seen Clouds from both sides, now. ha ha > >Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:31:39 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Helplessly Hoping Bruce wrote > A great example of her alliterative skill is also in O&M. Watch the p and b: > > "Always the grand Parades of cellulite > Jiggling to her golden Pools > Through flock and cuPid colonnades > They jiggle into surgery > HoPefully Beneath the Blade" I have become more sensitive to Joni's obvious addiction to alliteration from my JM Song of the Day adventures. The biggest smile I have gotten from it, though, was recalling the day I taught my suitemates the 4-parts to Helplessly Hoping (Steven Stills's amusing attempt at alliteration - hey, I think I've got it !) Could that have been a case of imitation being the highest form of flattery ? I hope so - there could hardly be any other redeeming social value to HH :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:37:55 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #76 Bruce also wrote > Has she ever discussed the nuts and bolts of her lyric writing? It seems to > me that for this kind of precision she must go through many re-writes. It > is > too carefully constructed to just 'happen' in one take. > > Bruce > Lucid thinking, old chap, if I did say so myself about a month or two ago. Well, that makes two of us who are onto her. Arts and crafts and all that. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:04:43 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 4 1974: Joni performed at the Dorothy Chandler Pavillion in Los Angeles. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=592 1983: Joni performed in Osaka, Japan - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:04:44 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 4 On March 4 the following items were published: 1971: "Joni Takes a Break" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=296 1991: "Navigator of the Deep" - Time (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=789 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #77 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)