From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #76 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, March 3 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 076 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Spot the typographical error [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] RE: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Subject: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Quincy Jones and Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Rich people's problems [Doug ] Re: falling off train [Deb Messling ] Re: falling off train [Gerald Notaro ] Cant wait to see the Masters Series ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Joni's language [Bruce Kimerer ] Martin Simpson (SJC) [Steve Dulson ] JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters (RePosted) [simon@icu.com] Woman Of Heart And Mind ~ CBC & PBS [simon@icu.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:49:13 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Spot the typographical error Well, I'm not sure about any typos, but a factual error screams at me... that her most recent album is BSN? Has the CBC missed Travelogue??? jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote:See if you can spot the typo. The CBC said, >>>>> "Joni Mitchell, A Woman of Heart and Mind" covers her work from her earliest albums, Songs to a Seagull, Blue, Court and Spark to Turbulent Indigo, which won a Grammy for Best Pop Album in 1996, to her most recent album Both Sides Now, which she recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra. >>>>> Lama - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:53:42 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Previews of "A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell " Jim wrote: > The CBC has posted 3 previews of Tuesday's special, >"A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni > Mitchell", part one. > > Here's one link no one will complain about.... > http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html > > After you see the previews, come back and we'll discuss...... > after all, this list is for discussion of the life and times of > Joni Mitchell, eh? Wow, thanks Jim, these were great! As I can't access jonimitchell.com (and haven't been able to for about a year) these were VERY welcome! Are they the same ones as on jm.com? If so, I can feel better about not having missed anything ;o). I will get to see the special, as "someone" is taping it for me to see in July, but it's certainly nice to see a glimpse of it before-hand. Hell P.S. I definitely don't mind links if people explain what they are, but I hate those posts with a link that have no explanation of what it's about! ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:01:57 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Previews of "A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell " Having seen the previews again and again, I'm struck by the photos and the quality of the footage. They are amazing!!!! I wish that CBC would export this show to the UK or at least have it on DVD! You North Americans are SOOOOOO lucky! Much Joni Jamie Zubairi jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote:The CBC has posted 3 previews of Tuesday's special, "A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell", part one. Here's one link no one will complain about.... http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html After you see the previews, come back and we'll discuss...... after all, this list is for discussion of the life and times of Joni Mitchell, eh? :) Lama - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:05:47 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni and Lauryn/Comparative Songwriting/State of the List David wrote: > Therein lies the difference between the genius of Joni and other songwriters. > They each are using the same metaphor but with just 5 extra words Joni's is > vastly more complex and descriptive. I'm a little behind on emails this week, but I love all the Joni content! I was thinking the other day about Joni's lyrics, and how she uses phrases or words that probably wouldn't occur to other artists. And I don't think it's a case of "look at what a big vocabulary I have", it's just that she's more descriptive, and more adventurous with her lyrics. What other songwriter would think to use the word "keloid" in a song, instead of "scar" (Talk To Me)? Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:12:25 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Toronto Star interview Victor wrote: > "Now it's all droning mediocrity. You'd have to be on ecstasy to enjoy the > direction music has gone in. I've lost interest. I don't want to be a part > of it." J. Mitchell > > This line cracks me up...but to some degree I think its true, as least as > far as radio goes- in Atlanta anyway. I'd be curious to know what new > music Joni has listened to and what she thinks is any good. The cynical part of me wonders if maybe Joni's just getting old?! It sounds like the sort of thing my mother would say! Seriously, as we all know, there IS good music out there, but for some reason it's just not getting the air-play it deserves, or it doesn't fit the "formula" that the record companies think is the winning one. It's an old argument, I know, and it's been discussed here a million times! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:54:05 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: RE: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? OH Lori, you and your poor cold toes in that blizzard going to buy Hejira... you wonderful obsessive.... Dare I admit this? IS IT TIME FOR ME TO MAKE A REVELATION.....Oh will I be de-listed..WILLL MY FRIENDS NEVER MAIL ME AGAIN?. AS I FACE MY NEMESIS I SALUTE YOU AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ALLOWED ME THIS BRIEF TIME OF HAPPY TOGETHERNESS..... Me and Hejira... the album.... I was given a "burned copy" of Hejira last year and only started to listen to the album when I joined the list...(December last year). The words to the songs (those that I have read) on Hejira are wonderful... but musically it does not do a lot for me. All that fretless bass wobbling about... I have tried listening to it as background music, listening to it in total concentration, listening to it in the bath, listening to it in the car.. Believe you me I am trying here. AM I TRYING TOO HARD? I don't know what it is. I mean, MIngus (first heard by me in 2000) as an album is challenging, but I don't find myself wincing at the music...well not as much as I do in Hejira.(with AMelia as the exception).. and maybe its a thing I have about "being sure I am not being IN to jazz"..and for me the freeform feel of some of the Hejira songs makes them slide off me..... but the words I have read are wonderful and poetic........ so I don't lose out really, just makes it hard to listen....... May I say, however that I LOVE the recording of Hejira (and Amelia) on Travelogue. Maybe its because of the maturity of her voice and I can hear her voice so much better.... and get the rhythm of the vehicle in which she is travelling.... Maybe it IS easier listening and more accessible. I also liked BSN..(I am really in trouble now arn't I) .. Perhaps its just that I bought nothing of Jonis after HOSL.... and only came back to her ... in 1999/2000 .and I still do not hve tons of her music...... Maybe being a later returner gives me a looser perspective, and makes me less of a purist. It neither makes me better or worse than anyone else. It would be interesting for me to know if those who like T'Log are late returners, or able to demonstrate their fidelity to Joni with having bought, at the time it was issued, every single album she has produced. T'log is as far from C&S and Blue as you could hope to get, but I really do like it..... Hejira? well I have a long drive up to a school this afternoon and its my aural project still so...who knows..today may be the day "I GET HEJIRA" maybe not..... Lucy (Who hopes she will not be de-listed for such heresy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:06:36 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Subject: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces Oh Debs yes ...........I have spotted one at 50 paces and she and I are best buddies.... Helen joined Barnardos at the same time and we were on the same region. She, like me had an unusul ear piercing, wore the same colours, laughed at the same things, ended up raising eyebrows at the same time and generally getting on like a house on fire. At the end of the day we walked out to our cars (we had parked next to each other unknowingly) and stood talking. I opened my car door and turned on the engine and my tape deck lept in to life with C&S blaring out.... Her jaw dropped and she said "hang on... you won't belive this" she also fired up her engine and C&S blared out too....... How weird was that? She has left BArnardo's but we are in regular contact. Joni people are just soooo nice arn't they....... unless I now find myself de-listed for the admitting I don't (musically) "get" most of Hejira..... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:37:13 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces In a message dated 03/03/2003 11:05:53 GMT Standard Time, lulu.hone@virgin.net writes: << Joni people are just soooo nice arn't they....... unless I now find myself de-listed for the admitting I don't (musically) "get" most of Hejira..... >> Ah, it's been nice knowing you Lucy - and it's a shame, as it's not your fault nobody told you about the "Zero Tolerance For Any Who Gainsay The Mystery and Magic Of Hejira" rule... [sorry about the language, I've been watching Fellowship of the Ring] Still, you'll have your memories of what a nice place the list was, eh?? ;-) Azeem in London NP: Tony Moore - Here Come The Waves (jeez, what a great song, maybe those who've been to the Kashmir Klub will know it...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:58:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Spot the typographical error --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > See if you can spot the typo. The CBC said, > >>>>> > "Joni Mitchell, A Woman of Heart and Mind" covers > her work from her earliest albums, Songs to a > Seagull, Only one song to a seagull. Did you mention anything about a prize? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:17:50 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Subject: Spotting a Joni fan at 50 paces Sorry Azeem? , who are you?...did I once know you? Am I now to wonder through lands of waste and want after having laid open my black and soul-less heart about not getting Hejira....(musically anyway) Azeem? who he? wrote.... "Ah, it's been nice knowing you Lucy - and it's a shame, as it's not your fault nobody told you about the "Zero Tolerance For Any Who Gainsay The Mystery and Magic Of Hejira" rule... [sorry about the language, I've been watching Fellowship of the Ring] Still, you'll have your memories of what a nice place the list was, eh??" Oh such memories.... or was it all some dream? Joni who? never heard of her............ but then "I am on a lonely road and I am travelling" after all Lucy..that one from England who once loved you all so well........ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:33:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? --- Lucy Hone wrote: > Dare I admit this? IS IT TIME FOR ME TO MAKE A > REVELATION.....Oh will I be > de-listed..WILLL MY FRIENDS NEVER MAIL ME AGAIN?. AS > I FACE MY NEMESIS I > SALUTE YOU AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ALLOWED ME > THIS BRIEF TIME OF HAPPY > TOGETHERNESS..... > > Me and Hejira... the album.... > > I was given a "burned copy" of Hejira last year and > only started to listen to > the album when I joined the list...(December last > year). > > The words to the songs (those that I have read) on > Hejira are wonderful... but > musically it does not do a lot for me. All that > fretless bass wobbling > about... Just my opinion but maybe you ARE trying too hard. Hejira isn't one of my favourites either, but I think you have to be in the right frame of mind to listen to it and you have to make time to hear the whole thing. (You don't have to, but it helps.) Hejira isn't something you can listen to as background music, nor is it something you should think too much about while listening. You have to let it sneak up on you. It's meditation music, but not meditation of the passive kind. You have to be in a particular state of mind. I don't think I'm doing a very good job of explaining this - it's something I call "slipping sideways". It's the thing that happens when you go into a sort of trancelike state while still awake. It's what happens when you're writing and the writing takes over; or when you're doing something like running or bicycling and you go into that "zone" thing. I suggest you put it aside for a while and then try it again later. Ideally you should play it without letting yourself know you're going to (?!) - that's a bit of a challenge. Do it spur of the moment - don't plan it too much ahead. (Really not looking forward to going out today as we've been plunged back into the deep freeze today after being teased with above freezing temps yesterday. Could be a good Hejira-listening day though.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 07:50:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Previews of "A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell " In a message dated 3/2/2003 11:34:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > Here's one link no one will complain about.... > http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html Certainly no complaints from this SCJoniguy, Jim...thanks! Besides the clips there's some nice pictures too. Bob NP: Living Colour, "Type" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:07:59 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:54:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, lulu.hone@virgin.net writes: > I was given a "burned copy" of Hejira last year and only > started to listen to > the album when I joined the list...(December last year). There's your problem, Lucy...you have an illegal copy! The ones you buy in the store sound a lot better. ;~) Walking through a blizzard for a copy of Hejira? That's nothing. I dragged my naked body across 5 miles of broken glass, dodging heavy gunfire the entire time, for MY copy!* Bob, who just yesterday was digging Steve Carlton's stinging guitar on "Black Crow" & Chuck Domanico's stand-up bass on "Blue Motel Room". NP: Living Colour, "Fight The Fight" *writer's embellishment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:29:50 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: NRH... and Mingus Many thanks, Catherine, Susan, Debra & Bob for your kind welcome! It's true that Mingus was really hard for me at its release date, but I'm enjoying right now, although I don't listen to it very much since I don't have it on CD and the old records (vinyl) player is something I don't use too often with kids around the house and so and so... I don't own NRH: since I lost the chance at its moment, I don't find it anymore (doing a search in maybe the best web spanish trader site only 6 references founded: no NRH) : I only know that beautiful and cheerful "Come in from the cold" from the Hits album (by the way, never seen Misses on stores). Since TI, I went looking for CD releases of Joni to replace my old'n scratchy vinyls, and I bought (along with TT, BSN and Travelogue) Hejira, C&S, DED, LOTC (hope I'll find everything at some time)... and Blue, wich is my favourite album of all: When I was a teenager I prefered Hejira: that wonderful bass!, the energy of Coyote (I remember seeing The Last Waltz the day of my 18 birthday: teather full of slighty hippies from La Coruqa)... and that wonderful, hypnotic "Amelia". My fond for Hejira has not decreased, but at my forties Blue is really THE album for me: great, great songs reduced to the minimum: I really value the fact of its brevity, the nakedness of arrangments... and I cry of joy everytime she sings "I wish I had a river..." I also got a bootleg (edited by Fabbri editore in Italy!) which lists: - -That song about the midway - -The gallery - -The priest - -Carey - -Willie - -For free (these six are from London, 1973) - -Circle game (London, 1970) - -Mr. Tambourine man (San Francisco, 1973) - -A case of you - -Both sides now - -Urge for going (Los Angeles, 1972) Regarding that "the life & times of Joni MItchell: a woman of heart & mind": well, my VCR doesn't have NTSC playback, only PAL (european), mode, although there are some electronic houses that do the trasference, so I should be glad if I get it. As for Cesaria Evora (there are transcript problems with the jots and signs over tle letter n as in La Coruna), she is a internationally acclaimed singer of Cabo Verde (go grab your Atlas!): is very known in my country, and in France they really rave at her, even comparing with Billy Holliday's voice :o). Miss perfumado... here are the lyrics: "let me die dreaming at the shadow of sorrow look of a little gentle girl with a perfumed body if the dove is happy in her nest I am too at the shadow of look and tenderness of Miss Perfumado" Rough translation from portuguese: my english is poor since I didn't study it (did french at school): I learned you language from Joni, Simon & Grafunkel, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan... and Elton John too. Nice to meet you! NP: Joan Baez: Silver dagger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:15:26 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: falling off train Ciao Joniphiles, "Has this happened to you? Have you ever grown to love any of Joni's work many years after it was released? Am I going to be put in the JMDL slow class for admitting this? " I think this is quite a common experience among the joniphiles. I was disappointed starting with HOSL in Dec 1975 although I kept buying the albums as they were released. I was disgusted thoroughly with "Mingus" :~) and just stopped buying. Just listening to the old stuff. It was not really until the late 80's and early 90's I began to go back and buy things lkike DED, WTRF, CMIARS, etc. They were nothing at all like the tepid reviews they had been given! :~) I still do not have a copy of DJRD, Mingus, or Shadows and Light (too much from Mingus on there). I love HOSL now, think three songs from Hejira are Joni at her peak ("Refuge of the Roads", "Hejira" and "Sharon"), like DED a lot ( I surprised by the rejection of this album by many Joniphiles :~) ), like not love WTRF, and think CMIARS contains two of her absolute most brilliant songs in "One" and "Beat of Black Wings". Ciao, dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:33:36 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Quincy Jones and Joni In a message dated 3/3/2003 1:59:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, davidmarine@mindspring.com writes: > "Joni Mitchell performed on Quincy Jones' 1986 > book/recording, Children > First." This book/cd combo is a staple on E-Bay...not sure what Joni's contribution is, my guess would be "Circle Game". I checked the usual sources and couldn't find the detail. Why don't you go ahead & buy it, and then you can fill us in? :~) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2511930060&category=307 Bob NP: Nils Lofgren, "Cry Tough" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 11:50:06 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Rich people's problems >From the Toronto Star Interview: She had already been written off as has-been a decade ago when she quipped: "Now I have rich people's problems, and you can't make songs out of rich people's problems." Years ago, Martin Mull recorded a song called "The Rich Man's Blues" It went something like: Woke up this afternoon, saw both cars were gone Woke up this afternoon, laudy mama, saw both cars were gone I felt so low down I threw my drink across the lawn So you see Joni, rich people can write songs too. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:31:02 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: falling off train Have you listened to DJRD? I think it's one of those records that people initially rejected, then came to love, although I personally loved it immediately. Along with Mingus, IMO, it presents Joni's voice at its best. It has Jaco's bass, but the overall sound is more colorful and diverse than Hejira. Some brilliant lyrics, too - notably the title track. At 09:15 AM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > I still do not have a copy of DJRD, Mingus, or Shadows and Light (too >much from Mingus on there). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:43:53 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: falling off train I almost left during Hissing. But then I just got better dope! When i heard Paprika Plains I thought she had lost it. Of course, now I think it is one of her best works. Pure genius. And that was years after my last puff. But Mingus really turned me away. She just wasn't a jazz singer. And electric bass? Heresy. But it did turn me on to the real Charles Mingus recordings, which I still love. Night Ride Home brought me back to the fold. Baa-aa-aaaa-aaaaa. Jerry np: Dusty Springfield - A Very Fine Love Deb Messling wrote: > Have you listened to DJRD? I think it's one of those records that people > initially rejected, then came to love, although I personally loved it > immediately. Along with Mingus, IMO, it presents Joni's voice at its > best. It has Jaco's bass, but the overall sound is more colorful and > diverse than Hejira. Some brilliant lyrics, too - notably the title track. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:06:38 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Cant wait to see the Masters Series Am really looking forward to seeing the Master Series feature presentation of Ms Joni Mitchell some of her life and times !!! Just one small aside here: THIS LIST IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT JONI MITCHELL NOT THE CRAVINGS FOR ATTENTION BY OTHERS, CAN WE TRY, GOING FORWARD TO KEEP IT THAT WAY? I have received at least one email where a member is considering leaving the list because it is filled with so much crap - I agree! So lets get back to its purpose!! I have not had a chance to view the previews but I am sure that this presentation on PBS in the US April 2, will only rekindle a clamour for more - more paintings more music and hey who knows maybe we will be able to do a thing whereby the music industry beast be damned we can subscribe toa live feed whenever the grand dame chooses to do a live show - right from whereever she wants to be! After that is the promise of the New Digital Age and the downfall for mediocrity pretensing itself to be art and artists! Joni, if you are listening you may finally have to admit computers hold promise for you! Enjoy Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:19:04 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wall To Wall I've booked my flight to NYC for Wall to Wall, so who else is in? I don't fly out until Sunday evening, so let's plan some stuff. Less than 3 weeks away - yippee! Of course Saturday will be booked with the all-day Joni celebration, but it ends at 11 PM, early by JMDL standards. Bob, always craving the attention of others... NP: Loggins & Messina, "Same Old Wine" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:20:13 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Cant wait to see the Masters Series Suzanne MarcAurele wrote: > Am really looking forward to seeing the Master Series feature presentation > of Ms Joni Mitchell some of her life and times !!! Just one small aside > here: THIS LIST IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT JONI MITCHELL NOT THE CRAVINGS FOR > ATTENTION BY OTHERS, CAN WE TRY, GOING FORWARD TO KEEP IT THAT WAY? Well, I'll excuse you for shouting, and then correct you. The one thing all posters have in common on this list is Joni Mitchell, but not necessarily all posts about Joni Mitchell. If that is what you desire, then by all means subscribe to Joni only, rather than to the Joni digest. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:59:30 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? CAtherine thank you for the suggestion below... So what I will do is take all my CD's out of their cases and put them back in the wrong ones and then pick blind from the mismatched cases and CD's and really surprise myself.....Eventually Hejira will surface and I will think "hey this is interesting" and maybe then I will get it!!! You are a genuis.... Stay at home and don't go out in the cold... Lucy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Lucy Hone" ; Subject: RE: Hejira,,,now I get it..... er do I? Catherine suggested ... > I suggest you put it aside for a while and then try it > again later. Ideally you should play it without > letting yourself know you're going to (?!) - that's a > bit of a challenge. Do it spur of the moment - don't > plan it too much ahead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:41:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Toronto Star interview/article in today's Toronto Star >>It's five o'clock on a weekday afternoon...but Joni Mitchel...is still wearing her pyjamas.<< i LOVE this, since i mostly work from home & have been known to do the same...:~} >>We're marching into war. That means we've become an imperialist power, which goes against everything America stands for. It all comes down to personal economic interest."<< not to start up this thread again but someone recently wondered what joni's opinion was & people quoted lines from her songs...anyway, i think this statement makes it pretty clear as to her opinion on current events... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:37:35 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: "Hejira" -- Oh, I get it now . . . Now "did you get off thetrain and when did you get back on?" Debra - that was my exact experience only substitute Missouri for Massachusetts. And what a thrill it was to see the cover. I remember thinking this album must be heaven and Joni's all grown up now. And then the first listen, no words to describe it. What a thrill, thanks for the reminder. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:30:04 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni's words on a war from the link that Catherine told us about: >In almost every room of Mitchell's house there is a radio tuned to a different station, though none is tuned to a music station. "There has been a tremendous drop in the standards of music on the radio. It was always the fluffy stuff that got the most attention, but there used to be places where the pioneering spirit had its place. Now it's all droning mediocrity. You'd have to be on ecstasy to enjoy the direction music has gone in. I've lost interest. I don't want to be a part of it." >instead her radios are tuned to talk stations offering news flashes and political commentary, which all seem like madness to her.< >"I wander through my house trying to get a picture of what is happening to the human psyche," she says in a tone that's both perplexed and angry. "The whole thing is ridiculous  a tragic comedy. We're marching into war. That means we've become an imperialist power, which goes against everything America stands for. It all comes down to personal economic interest."< Some people on the list (myself including) were wondering about Joni's thoughts on all the talk about a war. This gives us some information about her feelings on it. By the way, I like to call it "a war." instead of, "the war." For me, it makes it more possible that it's NOT going to be. (calling it "a war") Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:31:35 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] I am curious to know, How tall is Joni? Does anyone know? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:42:03 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Joni's language Hell wrote: "I was thinking the other day about Joni's lyrics, and how she uses phrases or words that probably wouldn't occur to other artists." Yes, I think about this alot. It's one of great joys of Joni. The unexpected word or phrase or rhyme. Like in Otis & Marlena: "Like it's her opera box All those Pagliacci summer frocks" Love that rhyme! Or, also in O&M: "The golden dive, the fatted flake". Now, I have no idea what 'fatted flake' really means. But it somehow beautifully conveys the self-indulgent vanity being discussed. And it is, of course, also an example of Joni's love of alliteration, of which, most of the time, she is a master (once in a while it gets the better of her though). A great example of her alliterative skill is also in O&M. Watch the p and b: "Always the grand Parades of cellulite Jiggling to her golden Pools Through flock and cuPid colonnades They jiggle into surgery HoPefully Beneath the Blade" The p's drive the lines until the softer p in hopefully, when the b's take over. And she is not at all a show-off with her language. I love the opening to Paprika Plains for its plain speaking so artfully put together that you can see, hear and smell the scene: "It fell from midnight skies It drummed on the galvanized In the washroom women tracked the rain Up to the makeup mirror Liquid soap and grass And Jungle Gardenia crash On Pine-Sol and beer" I mean...skies and galvanized! Love that! Has she ever discussed the nuts and bolts of her lyric writing? It seems to me that for this kind of precision she must go through many re-writes. It is too carefully constructed to just 'happen' in one take. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:39:19 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Martin Simpson (SJC) I saw the wonderful English folkie Martin Simpson last night and was blown away. I can't believe I've missed him all these years - only saw him once before, backing up June Tabor. Anyway, after finishing his first set with a furious "Masters of War" he came back after the break and said "I think you deserve some love songs now." He then talked about Joni, and about how good Travelogue is, and how dumb Rolling Stone's review of it was, all as a lead-in to playing "A Case of You". Oh, he also said that when he was growing up in Scunthorpe, he REALLY didn't want to be there - but he was able to escape every time he played a Joni song. Obviously a huge fan. He has fairly recently moved to New Orleans - watch out for him, Paz man! He followed ACOY with Anne Lister's exquisite "Icarus", which pretty much confirmed his good taste. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:15:44 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters (RePosted) Hi, recently a number of questions have been posted to the list regarding the forthcoming CBC and PBS programs. yesterday (3-2-03) i spoke with Les Irvin as well as Jim L'Hommedieu and both suggested that i try to clear up some of the questions and confusion given my (limited) participation in the production process and access to accurate information. perhaps a little background information is in order first here's a RePost of a message i sent to the JMDL last year >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To: joni@smoe.org >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters >Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:05:50 -0500 > >as some will recall, Joni signed a 3-film contract with Eagle Rock >Entertainment, PLC. back in 1997 ('96?). the first film produced >was "PAINTING WITH WORDS And MUSIC". > >originally a 'Pay Per View' broadcast in the U.S. PWWAM was >subsequently broadcast by CBC-TV (Canadian Broadcasting Company), >on commercial television in an edited form and also released on >VideoTape, LaserDisc and DVD. > > >Jim Johanson recently posted some information regarding a 3rd Film >to [THE WORD: (3/6/02)]. more about >that below. > >right now? JONI MITCHELL "BOTH SIDES NOW, And THEN" > > >the 2nd film, tentatively scheduled for U.S. broadcast in >November 2002 by PBS as part of their truly exceptional series >"AMERICAN MASTERS" will have its initial broadcast, in Canada, >on CBC-TV as part of their "LIFE And TIMES" series in *2 WEEKS* > > > Tuesday, March 26 at 7:00 pm - Joni Mitchell - Part 1 > Tuesday, April 2 at 7:00 pm - Joni Mitchell - Part 2 > > "Joni Mitchell has been called the most influential > recording artist of the late 20th century. A rare, > intimate look at a multi-award winning musician who > is as private and reflective as the lyrics for which > she is celebrated." > > >here's some information from the CBC-TV WebSite. > > > "The sweep and drama of Canadian lives take pride of place > in Life & Times. These biographies introduce us to the > struggles, the triumphs and trials of real people and their > true stories - each one a thread in the fabric of a nation, > and the times in which we live. The series shows how > individuals make history, not always through circumstances > of their own choosing. We see that we are not the first > generation to struggle with great moral issues. These are > the stories that Canadians can contribute to the great > library: the memory of the world." > > > > > >here's a little more information about the "Life And Times" >series for the benefit of our non-Canadian members. > > ABOUT THE SHOW > > The triumphs, trials and true stories of dynamic Canadians > are the focus of Life & Times, Canada's premier biography > series hosted by award-winning novelist, playwright and actor > Ann-Marie MacDonald. > > Life & Times is back for a sixth exciting season. Our line-up > includes musical stars Bruce Cockburn, JONI MITCHELL and the > Barenaked Ladies, the story of the Bata shoe empire, activist > Maude Barlow, golf legend Moe Norman and the dean of Canadian > TV journalism, our own Knowlton Nash. > > In honour of the 2002 Winter Olympics, Life & Times is > profiling several distingushed Olympic athletes, including > hockey's hottest player Mario Lemieux, the inspiring story > of curler Sandra Schmirler and figure skaters Toller Cranston > and Elizabeth Manley. > > Join us Tuesdays at 7 p.m. on CBC TV for the compelling > stories of these and other Canadians who have made an impact. > > Over the years, Life & Times has presented over 100 compelling > profiles of such extraordinary Canadians as Tommy Douglas, > Jim Carrey, Don Cherry, Mordecai Richler, Glenn Gould, the > Dionne quintuplets, Mary Walsh and Margaret Trudeau-Kemper. > > Life & Times programmes have garnered numerous awards including > four Geminis and multiple Hot Docs awards. > > Join host Ann-Marie MacDonald for intimate, hour-long > biographies which reflect the true stories of Canadians. > Each week a different story - one more thread in our > country's fabric. Together a definitive family portrait. > > > >the two 1-hour programs will Not be the Final word/version of >this new documentary. keep in mind that a 1-hour program on >'Commercial' television usually contains 42-to-44 minutes of >actual programming (per hour). > >on the other hand, the PBS/AMERICAN MASTERS version will time-out >somewhere between 52-to-55 minutes (per hour). it's not yet clear >whether the DVD Release will contain extra material (or not). > >as of this moment the 'Final' edit (for CBC-TV) is not yet complete, >although a copy of the 1st hour was sent to Joni last week for her >viewing pleasure (and approval). she'll probably get a preview of >the 2nd hour later this week. time is tight and the work continues. > >all things considered -- the March 26th broadcast deadline for the >CBC-TV broadcast was somewhat unrealistic, but will be met. the >producers' work will continue at a somewhat more relaxed pace >preparing the final PBS/DVD edition. > > >as for the film itself, the story is being told by the participants, >primarily by Joni herself, using a variety of Interviews recorded >at various times during her career. there is no narrator. > >the producers have interviewed a number of indiviauals including >Elliott Roberts, David Geffen, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Neil Young >as well as Joni's parents and JONI herself. > >(I think) they also spoke with Mr. Kratzman and i seem to recall >being told that they'd even located Ray, an old high-school friend >of Joni's. > >y'all remember Ray? don't ya?, his dad owned a Cadillac. > >the most recent interview (2 wks. ago) was with Joel Bernstein. > >Joels' participation has been crucial. he's been there as >photographer, and friend, guitar tech, witness and participant, >from the beginning. his knowledge and perception of Joni's music >and her place within the overall context of the musical and >cultural events of the times gives him a unique perspective not >shared by many. and since he viewed the other interviews first, >he was able to fill in some of the areas not addressed by others. > > >it's surprising how late in the process (12-20-01) it was before >the producers hooked up with him. nonetheless, they'd done their >homework and research very well, obtaining a variety of films, >videos, photographs (especially Joels') articles and other >memoribilia. a variety of items photographed or filmed were from >my own collection, including the "Spirit Of The Forest Video", a >rare little item that even Joel hadn't seen. > >i'm sure you'll all find it interesting. every effort is being >made to see to it that this is the definitive Video Documentary. > > > > >and now for ... > > THE WORD ~ (3/6/02) > > Entertainment Weekly published a short article this week > with a few new bits of information on Allison Anders' > videotaping of the recent recording sessions for Joni's > next CD, tentatively titled The Circle Game. > > In addition to musicians such as Herbie Hancock and Wayne > Shorter, who contributed to her last orchestral outing > Both Sides Now, we can also expect to hear Ry Cooder, > Billy Preston and possibly Neil Young, according to the > EW article. > > "Some of it is material she did as a young girl, with a > soprano voice and an acoustic guitar, now with an orchestra > and an alto," says filmmaker Anders. "It's so interesting > to hear these same songs with wisdom," she enthuses. "Not > that she wasn't wise before, but it's like 'I thought I > was on to something before, and now I know I am.'" > > Alas, one piece of important information nobody has > mentioned yet is a release date. I'll let you know as > soon as I hear anything. > > First reported in the LA Times late last year (scroll down > this page to the newsblurb from 12/4/01 for information on > that report), the CD will feature Joni performing with 77 > members of the London Symphony Orchestra -- although the EW > article sports a nostalgic picture of Joni holding an > acoustic guitar. > > ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY ARTICLE ON ALISON ANDERS' DOCUMENTARY > > >more later. > >> >> >for now ~ take care, >------- > simon >------- > > end of RePost >--------------------------------------------------------------------- it wasn't to be. citing 'Production Difficulties' the CBC cancelled the program "JONI MITCHELL: BOTH SIDES NOW, And THEN" shortly before the scheduled broadcast date. please note this phrase from the message above: > as of this moment the 'Final' edit (for CBC-TV) is not > yet complete, although a copy of the 1st hour was sent > to Joni last week for her viewing pleasure (and approval). in point of fact, an 86 Min. Broadcast Master, dated 3-22-02, was delivered to the Canadian representatives of Eagle Rock Entertainment. the (so-called) production difficulty was the fact that Joni didn't like the finished program and didn't approve of its being broadcast and that's all she wrote. having seen the program, i can attest to the fact that it was severly lacking, in a number of ways. Joni Deserved better! she'd receive it too. the contractual arrangements between Eagle Rock, Delilah Films, and PBS were somewhat convoluted but in the end the "American Masters" documentary "WOMAN OF HEART And MIND" is NOT a revision or extension of the earlier film "Both Sides Now And Again". all video elements, b-roll footage, and other research materials were transferred to the studios of WNET-TV/13 and their production efforts began in earnest early last summer. andmoreagain, - ------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:42:04 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Woman Of Heart And Mind ~ CBC & PBS on Sat, 1 Mar 2003 Christopher Treacy wrote with an inquiry > PS: SO, we are now to understand that the 2 part CBC shows and > the 2hr. PBS American Masters are the same thing? OK, so > if that's the case, then where on earth is the film of > The Making of Travelogue?? Any takers?? and again on Sun, 2 Mar 2003 > So, nobody has answered my question. > I thought maybe I'd state it again. > > Jim has indicated on the site that the > CBC special and the PBS American Masters episode are one > in the same ... are we sure of this? > > Secondly, what has happened to the film about Travelogue? > > I hate to make this sound so urgent, but ya' know, over the > years I guess I've gotten used to a full out JM media circus > surrounding each release and this time we got nothing, no > Letterman, no Rosie...Joni Jonesin'. > > Later, > Chris >---------------------------------------------------------------- O.K. Chris here goes. YES! the 2-part CBC program "The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind" was produced at WNET-TV/13 by the production staff of the PBS Series "American Masters" under the direction of executive producer Susan Lacy and IS (essentially) the same program that will be broadcast PBS on April 2, 2003. earlier today i spoke with Erika Frankel, Associate Producer, and learned that there's one short segment featuring "Come In From The Cold" that is not in the Canadian edit although it will be in the "American Masters" version. two seperate Broadcast Masters have been delivered to the CBC. each is 42 Min. in length and divided into 4 acts, per their broadcast requirements. each 'Act' being a seperate segment with a fade in/fade out where commercials will be inserted. and yes, that means 18 minutes of commercials per 1 hr. broadcast. the final PBS' version of "WOMAN OF HEART And MIND" version will be broadcast as 90-Minute program and runs 84 minutes without the opening/closing credits and other announcements. the final On-Line Video was 'locked' last friday and the final audio mixing is taking place this week. the DVD release will contain somewhere between 6 and 10 minutes of additional "documentary programing" although No decision has been made yet about any other additional ExtraS. meetings are scheduled tomorrow regarding the DVD release. i'm told that this could be ready and available as early as may. in all likelihood the program being offered for sale on the CBC WebSite IS the DVD release. (available May 20, 2003?) http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/ RE: the Alison Anders "TRAVELOGUE" film. it's not yet complete. therefore no viewings are currently scheduled. it's also not clear where it will eventually be shown although i expect a Video/DVD release. my understanding is that further Interview Segments will be filmed ... at Joni's request. on Sat, 01 Mar 2003 Doug wrote > According to this schedule: > http://www.pbs.org/whatson/schedulex/daily.html?date=2003-04-2 > The show is called "Chords of Inquiry" and appears to be > 90 minutes long. Doug, Yes and No. as stated above, "WOMAN OF HEART And MIND" is an 84 min. documentary film that will be broadcast within a 90 min. window. for most of last summer and fall, the 'working title' was "Busy Being Free". that's the title used on the (12-30-02) 58 min. edit screened for Joni when she stopped by the WNET-TV studios while she was in NYC to present the "Alfred Stieglitz Award for Creative Amateur Photography" to Graham Nash at an event that took place at Sotheby's Auction House on January 9th. several of us thought that title was itself a little busy. it was shortened to "Being Free" by the time of the (1-16-03) 42 min. edit prepared as Part 1 for the CBC. shortly after this, based on one of Joni's interview segments, "CHORDS OF INQUIRY" became the working title and was used on the (1-31-03) 86 min. edit i had a chance to view recently. but that didn't last long either. FWIW: two comments from the documentary JAMES TAYLOR: Joni invented everything about her music, including how to tune the guitar. from the beginning of the process of writing it, she's building the canvas as well as putting the paint on it. JONI: for years everyone said "Joni's weird chords - Joni's weird chords, and I thought "how can there be a weird chord?" chords are depictions of emotions - these chords that I was getting by twisting the knobs on the guitar until I could get these chords that I heard inside that - that suited me. they feel like my feelings. y'know? I call them, not knowing, Chords Of Inquiry. they have question mark in them." there were so many unresolved things in me that those chords suited me and y'know? and like I'd stay in unresolved emotionality for days and days ... WHAT GOES AROUND ... eventually it came back to the original title suggested by Co-Producer Joel Bernstein "WOMAN OF HEART And MIND". let me tell you folks ... You're in for a REAL TREAT. "Woman Of Heart And Mind" is a most Excellent film. it does Joni proud and she's clearly please and satisfied with the results. and THAT's no mean feat, given her current state of mind. for now ~ take care. andmoreagain, - ------------- simon ... here they come, where are they going? ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #76 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)