From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #68 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 068 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Re-Woodstock [FMYFL@aol.com] welcome ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: I'll tape the CBC show for y'all [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: Statue update [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #65 [Eyelines@aol.com] Re: State of the List/what brought you to joniland? ["blonde in the bleac] Re:Joni's Best Vocal [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: State of the List/what brought you to joniland? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni Highs & Lows ["ron" ] Re: State of the List/what brought you to joniland? [Scott Price ] Cactus Tree [Rusty10113@aol.com] Wall to Wall event [BRYAN8847@aol.com] State of the List ["Kate Bennett" ] sucker, grammies and best and worst.... ["walterphil" ] Re: sucker, grammies and best and worst.... [David Marine ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #67 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re:Old NY Times review [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #144 [Catherine McKay ] Re: sucker, grammies and best and worst.... ["Mark or Travis" ] Grammys ... Joni, Shawn, James, Norah [FredNow@aol.com] Re-Sweet Sucker Dance, comming to the list. [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:35:48 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Re-Woodstock In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:44:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, MINGSDANCE@aol.com writes: > > > When Joni sang the song at "A Day in the Garden" she introduced the song > with a very moving speech " My generation was given a pocket of liberty > like no other generation before" Great post Ming! I'm curious....I had only been a jmdler for about 6 months when Joni performed at "A Day in the Garden" on 8-15-98. Did any other jmdlers attend, and if so what did they think of Joni's performance? Jimmy Ming did bring me back a rock from Woodstock, which I have in my garden :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:30:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: welcome robin >>"Dawntreader" and "Hejira" are the highlights of Travelogue for me - "Dawntreader" being a new song entirely as i dont own the first album, so what a treat. << welcome robin!!! i'd suggest getting her first album now...it has been my favorite of late! (loved it way back then & i'm loving it all over again) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:39:30 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I'll tape the CBC show for y'all Thanks Andrew...I think a couple of folks with confidence in their equipment have stepped up, so we should be in shape! If this show is indeed pumped full of commercials, is there a way to either record it or edit them out without compromising the quality of the video? Also, fwiw, the guy I use here in town charges $25 to transfer NTSC to PAL, so it's not cheap but it *would* be possible to get this duped in PAL format. Bob NP: David Lahm, "The Blonde In The Bleachers" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:40:37 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Fwd: Statue update Sarah, I assume you meant to cc the list on this as it is such high JC! Best, Stephen in Vancouver - ----- Forwarded message from sl.m@shaw.ca ----- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:00:41 -0700 Hi Ron and Stephen, Thank you for asking about the statue! Update - I met with a professional fundraiser here in Saskatoon just before Christmas and he advised us not to do anything with the Joni statue until February earliest, as no-one in Saskatoon gives money at the beginning of the year because of Christmas and New Year. So I held off doing anything until recently - now back into it. We have about 500 dollars raised, we've found a sculptor, I'm about to approach Joni's manager to check how she feels about it, I've applied for a Saskatchewan Arts grant which we need non-profit organization status for, so I've applied for that too, and we're having a poster made up for local distribution. We've also made contact with several local business leaders and experienced fundraisers who are all very supportive and interested. I've also started writing to the sponsors of Joni's art exhibition at the Mendel to ask if they will donate to the statue fund. The thing now is to think of a fundraising benefit we can hold and when. If you have any ideas, they'd be very gratefully received. Best, Sarah At 21:47hour -0800 02/24/2003, frasere@intergate.ca wrote: >Quoting ron : > > >> its also a good place to find out about joni :-) >> >> >> ron >> ps - whatever happened to the "beside herself" statue???? > > >Yeah, Sarah, how bout an update?? > >Best, >Stephen in Vancouver - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:44:06 EST From: Eyelines@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #65 FYI to all, especially those in Chicago - I received the following ad from Davenport's Cabaret in Chicago - Those crazy kids from Folied Again lave a little show of their own in March: Dark Cafe Days: Folied Again sings Joni Mitchell every Friday in March at 10:30 PM. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:45:56 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: State of the List/what brought you to joniland? I know that in the past I have definitely ruffled some feathers and should have taken a deep breath before I posted about certain things. I think the influx of political posts really started to get to me and therefore I needed to vent. My middle finger innuendo to Andrew was more of a play on the way he wrote about taking your finger and hitting delete, he said he was being a bitch and I know I was. I was also upset about what I felt was a stereotype and how I was sick of the Joni-gay fan posting. I dont think I would be explaining myself unless this topic of the state of the list had been addressed. I bought Blue after hearing Sarah McLaughlans cover of it and proceeded to buy every album Joni has made. Very few of my friends/family listen to Joni (although not through lack of trying) and I was feeling like I had no outlet for my deep appreciation of Joni and her music. I have been a huge lurker on this list for (I think) over two years and came to the JMDL through jonimitchell.com. I have learned more valuable information about Joni Mitchell that I dont think I would have learned elsewhere and am forever grateful for that. I was looking for a community that discussed Joni Mitchell and love to read other peoples opinions/experiences with her music. I enjoy all of the discussions about her lyrics even if they come up more than once a year, i.e. your notches liberation doll and all stories of meeting her, seeing her in concert, etc. There are certain people on this list that I read their posts and respect them even though I have never met them, and am amazed at their humor and humility. I have never been intimidated to post my thoughts (obviously) nor do I feel that there is an inner circle. I really only post when I feel like it although there are many times I would like to email people off list because I totally agree with what they have written. I tend not to as I am not sure if this is an invasion of privacy, and because I only read these posts during work, I tend to run out of time. I would really hate to see this list micro-managed. As I have stated in the past NJC is really my biggest gripe. I dont think you can limit the amount of emails one person posts on any given day nor do I think can you limit the amount of what they write. I think there are always going to be instances where people hurt other people. I definitely fall into the category of believing that I can write what I want because you dont know me, but dont think that I dont have a conscience about it because nine times out of ten, I do. Sometimes you need to vent and sometimes those words can be insensitive. Is this right? Is this wrong? I think that is a matter of opinion but I think that most people dont write posts to insult others, email can come across that way even if it is not meant to. If it werent for this list I dont think I would know anything about Jaco Pastorious, Brian Blade, Herbie Hancock, The Weather Report, Charles Mingus, Chrissy Hynde punching Carly Simon, Fonimitchell, or how many covers there are of This Flight Tonight. So thanks to all of you for all of the wonderful information. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:49:00 EST From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re:Joni's Best Vocal In a message dated 2/25/2003 2:35:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > This has led me to ponder the following. What song is Joni's best vocal? >> I doubt that anyone will agree with this, but I would say "Man From Mars" on TTT, or her performance on the David Letterman Show of "At Last" - that's two of them. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:05:49 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: State of the List/what brought you to joniland? In a message dated 2/25/2003 2:45:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, blondeinthebleachers@hotmail.com writes: > I bought Blue after hearing Sarah McLaughlans cover of it and proceeded > to buy every album Joni has made. That's pretty cool...probably not too many of us that came to Joni by way of a cover. As I have stated in > the past NJC is really my biggest gripe. If that's a problem, I would encourage you to become a Joni-only if you're not already. It works very well, and with us defectors that are used to gabbing, it's plenty busy. or how many > covers there are of This Flight Tonight. Plus or minus around 21, including John van Tiel's fave by James Last...he's probably dancing around his cottage to it even as we speak, munching on cheese & chocolate! :~) Anyway, thanks for sharing your story. Bob NP: David Lahm, "Woodstock" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:25:25 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Joni Highs & Lows hi >>>>Jim Leonard wrote >>>>"Shadows And Light" (my all-time favorite Joni album - on which her singing, overall, was ther best it's ever been, I think). i find her voice to be amazingly rich & warm on this album. just superb. the finest album ever produced...... ron np - richard thompson & david byrne - i misunderstood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:40:21 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: State of the List/what brought you to joniland? At 02:45 PM 2/25/2003 -0500, blonde in the bleachers wrote: >I dont think you can limit the amount of emails >one person posts on any given day nor do I think can you >limit the amount of what they write. If I may politely ask, "why not?" And please don't say it's "censorship" when it's not anything but a request for moderation. Yes it is a harsh proposal...limiting individual bandwidth...but I feel that *something* should be done. It's fine to call for everyone to be civil and reasonable but I'd bet that shortly after this current "state of the list" discussion ends, things will be right back to the "state" that has prompted this thread. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:31:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: February 25 bob >>Anyway, I loved the prophetic comment this reviewer made about this GREAT Carnegie Hall show: "I suspect that in her own way Joni Mitchell may be one of the most genuinely gifted composers North America has yet developed. That she chooses to express her art in small forms and personal sentiments in no way reduces either its impact of its importance."<< what a great comment...does anyone know if joni performed at carnegie hall at an earlier date?...i have a friend who told me a great story of how she went to see joni at CH but i think it was earlier than 72 ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:44:37 -0500 From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: kink102fm/ Joni's Voice So just as I open up digest #145 the radio starts to sing "you turn me on I am a radio" being in a transindental mood I started to dream of all all the joni fest regulars doing a Country western line dance to this song, I think it was the hand clapping that you hear in the back ground in this song. When I listen to Joni's songs I try to feel her expresive emotions, listen to the different versions of Jericho on Miles of Ailses and then DJRD this was her voice at her most lovely. Amen to Anne elove brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: was Woodstock now California Can I tell you what a pure moment of coincidence - syncronicity I just had reading this post? Well I am going to anyway! As I am home early, I turned on the music. My latest CD 3-some, has been Blue (surprise) Norah Jones (surprise) and LOTC. AS I opened this email and read Marks response to his own post, word for word Califonia was playing, it was as if Joni was over my shoulder reading it for me! It was spooky! Guess you had to be here. I want to mention, that I have been playing Blue like mad lately. It's always been my favorite, I could never hear it again and it would be my favorite. But the beautiful thing about Joni is, because of her body of work, you can go away and come back many times - and fall in love all over again. So while I sit here dumped, huh wonder if that's why I returned to Blue ;-P, Once again, I am falling in love all over again. Damn she still has my Jonifest CD! Gotta go! Peace Susan NP: Joni/Blue/Last Time I Saw Richard - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > Joni again on war and peace and the dream: > > "Sitting in a park in Paris, France > > Reading the news and it's all bad > > They won't give peace a chance > > That was just a dream some of us had." > > And later in the same song: > > All the news of home you read > More about the war and the bloody changes > > Mark E Somewhere in Washington State Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:52:00 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Cactus Tree Hi--wow, what a coincidence...Joni's everywhere! ...was casually reading the Joni list, and enjoying someone's post of falling on love all over again with Blue, when the oening strains of Cactus Tree begin, grabbing my attention immediately..turns out it's the background to a scene in A Walk on the Moon, with Diane Lane (love her!)... it's playing throughout a scene where she and the hunk from LOTR are swimming in a fabulous canyon, getting it on the whole time! "..and she's so busy being free..." this kind of stuff always makes my day... call me crazy! best to all from freezing NYC... Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:55:30 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Wall to Wall event Looks like this is event is shaping up nicely. If anyone attends, please file a report. Bryan JONI MITCHELL TRIBUTE "Wall to Wall," the annual day-long free concert celebrating the work of a single artists, will examine the songwriting of Joni Mitchell at New York's Symphony Space March 22. The 12-hour marathon will feature more than 100 performers, including Laurie Anderson, Joan Osborne and the Mingus Big Band. The concert will be presented in association with WFUV, Public Radio from Fordham University, which will broadcast the entire program live, along with a live audio stream on wfuv.org. The 33rd annual Wall to Wall will explore in-depth this extraordinary artist's continuing legacy. Participants are drawn from diverse backgrounds including pop, jazz, classical/new music, international music, cabaret, poetry, as well as the contemporary singer-songwriter scene. The 12-hour presentation is divided into four three-hour segments. Each segment will afford the listener a chance to hear some well-known favorites, like "Circle Game" and "Both Sides Now," as well as music from her less well-known albums such as "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" and "Night Ride Home." Mitchell's output, 21 albums over 30 years, is widely regarded as one of the most significant and consistent collections of work by an artist of her generation. Copyright ) 2001-2003 United Press International ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:17:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: State of the List mg a very wise woman wrote >>I tend to be hard lined on this one in that I think that a lot of intimidation is self created<<< at the risk of exceeding today's posting limit & saying me too i have to chime in to say that this little gem falls under the category of 'life lessons: 10 helpful hints'... truly how we feel about ourselves is often reflected in how we perceive others to be reacting to us... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:29:13 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: sucker, grammies and best and worst.... well the first thing i'm gonna do tonight after i get out of this sucky job is gonna glide my needle thru sweet sucker dance the grammies: don't get upset-- they always sucked they always will suck i'm 49 and i know the beatles never won a grammy until "let it be" joni didn't win for "hejira" or "blue" or "roses" laura nyro was never even mentioned. (lets just compare "song to a seagull" or "eli & the 13 confession" to nora or dora whats her name...) the mind reels..... what can you say about an institution that constantly rewards that idiot no talent eminem? (yes i KNOW i'm an old fart but C'MON!) i swear they gave it to him out of FEAR. lastly joni's best---"electricity" (how bout the way she effortlessly stretches the last "easy" to eleven or twelve notes!) there's her vocal genius showing thru. the worst--"woodstock"--that yodley ending---aaarrrrgggghhh (i'll admit it was VERY brave though) i'm doing 2 more cause i want to and its fun best--"for the roses" (hmmm guess you can tell my fave lp)...but c'mon...an incredibly subtle, yet extremely complex melody tossed off so casually. Life just doesn't get any better than this. (and don't even get me started on the lyrics) worst--"last chance lost"-boy that title is like METAL nails on a blackboard to me, everytime. so glad my cd has a remote. following the sublime "turbulent indigo" too. xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:01:27 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: morah norah, etc (some JC) I had read a lot of stuff about Norah when her disc came out. The NY Times was big on pushing her. She was the anti-Britney, a real musician, singing real songs, etc etc. So I got the disc and played it in my car, on the way home from somewhere, and I hear this little whispery voice singing this slow lethargic song. And then another one. And another. And another. And I was so pissed I wanted to slap her and say -- "SING for chrissake! Stop this feathery mumbling and SING godammit!" Anyway, I got rid of the CD. Can't there be some kind of middle ground in singerdom these days, between the warbling screech of the Mariah-clones and the little girl whispers of a Norah Jones? I guess Norah is the American Idol pendulum swinging the other way -- but why be so boring? My two favorite Jonivocals are on S&L. Amelia and Hejira. In particular, Amelia. "...until you get there yourself, you never realllllly know...While some have found their paradise, others just come to haaaarm...on beautiful fooooooolish arms...I crashed into his arrrrrrrmmmmmsss....straaaaange pillows of my wanderlust...geometric farrrmms." The way she treats these lines is the absolute best. In fact, the sequence of Amelia, Pat's Solo and Hejira is probably one of my all time favorite 20 minutes in all of pop music. bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:04:13 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Re: sucker, grammies and best and worst.... Hi Walt and List -- on 2/25/03 2:29 PM, walterphil at walterphil@excite.com wrote: > (lets just compare "song to a seagull" or > "eli & the 13 confession" to nora or dora whats her name...) > the mind reels..... Does it? I think that Noarh Jones has a stunning voice. There is a natural, unstrained quality that is rarely heard these days. I would even go so far as to say that Norah has found her own voice, whereas Joni (obviously a superior songwriter) was still to an extent mimicking contemporary female singers on her first l.p. I'm curious, walt. If you don't know Norah's name, may I assume you have not listened to the album? And of not, upon what are you basing your comparison? Her album, while no Hejira, is lovely. > what can you say about an institution that constantly > rewards that idiot no talent eminem? > (yes i KNOW i'm an old fart but C'MON!) > i swear they gave it to him out of FEAR. "The Eminem Show" was hands down the best pop album of the year. Eminem is brilliant. Again...have you listened to the album? The grammies do suck, but Norah Jones and Emimem don't. Your loss if you dismiss them out of hand. Best, David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:18:15 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Joni's peaks and troughs Vocally: I'd echo whomever it was who said that Court & Spark marked the start of the absolute plateau of her singing. Just the opening couple of lines of the title song sound revelatory; here is a woman in complete control of her songwriting, her playing and her voice. And who could resist the swooning romance of Help Me? I think her last GREAT album vocally speaking was Wild Things Run Fast, even though it's one of my least favourites song-wise. On Chinese Cafe we get a great song (actually, one of only a handful of truly great songs she's written since Mingus, an opinion I know plenty don't share...) combined with her autumnal voice to quite magnificent effect. For songwriting, I'd say Blue to Don Juan was her greatest period - and anyone else's gretest for that matter, with Mingus still scoring pretty high. Instrumentally, it's got to be Hejira, Don Juan and Mingus - she was in the company of such extraordinary musicians that I believe she really pushed herself. Her rhythm guitar playing on Hejira is stunning; and I LOVE what she does with The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay. When did she look the "fittest"? Inner sleeve of Hissing... Sorry, did I say that out loud? Azeem in London NP: Christine Collister - Quiet (*sigh*) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:45:30 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Joni's peaks and troughs (and music books too) On Tuesday, Feb 25, 2003, at 23:18 Europe/London, AzeemAK@aol.com wrote:- > For songwriting, I'd say Blue to Don Juan was her greatest period - and > anyone else's gretest for that matter, with Mingus still scoring > pretty high. > > Instrumentally, it's got to be Hejira, Don Juan and Mingus - she was > in the > company of such extraordinary musicians that I believe she really > pushed > herself. Her rhythm guitar playing on Hejira is stunning; and I LOVE > what > she does with The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay. I'd have to side with Azeem on these two. I'd been struggling to figure out what I regard to be her highs and lows, and I realised then that the stuff going on around her voice influences me so much as to my opinion of her voice itself. I really think you're right, Azeem, about Joni having pushed herself as a result of those around her in the creative process. I really think that some of her later collaborations led to her being pushed in directions that she wasn't so naturally good at in fact. I won't name names - it'll just lead to unpleasantness, then Les'll get involved, then we'll all go navel gazing for a time. (Kidding, OK?) > When did she look the "fittest"? Inner sleeve of Hissing... > Sorry, did I say that out loud? Azeem, you old fox you. Do you have the sheet music book too? I recently clapped eyes on a mint condition Hissing book (see next para), and the photos are, well, right up your street I guess! Aside: The power of Ebay recently worked for me rather nicely. Steve T astutely spotted the sheet music books for both Hissing and Hejira on Ebay, with very reasonable "Buy it now" prices. He acted quickly, and a week later the goods arrived. Given as his fave album is Hissing, and mine is Hejira, it all worked out rather well. Can you believe I'd never really thought about checking out Ebay for this sort of stuff? Even after drooling (from a safe distance) over other listers' copies of these things. I mean, like d'uh. I am *such* a happy bunny to finally have the Hejira music book. The artwork** is sublime but the funny stuff with lines and dots is almost incidental. I'm almost afraid to look at the thing too much for fear of damaging it or getting sticky fingerprints all over it. I think I need to find a really tatty old one to actually look at, so I can put the good one somewhere safe :) Steve: well done - an excellent find. As even more of an aside, does anyone already have high-res scans of the Hejira artwork from this book? If not, I'll try and (very gently!) scan the artwork. When it's cold outside, I feel the need for Hejira-style computer backdrops. Cheers, - --Chris Marshall **With the pictures this big, it's really immediately obvious that it's not a p*n*s on that front cover picture, OK? (Sorry, couldn't resist dredging that one up from the past...) chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:56:36 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: sucker, grammies and best and worst.... > the mind reels..... > what can you say about an institution that constantly > rewards that idiot no talent eminem? > (yes i KNOW i'm an old fart but C'MON!) > i swear they gave it to him out of FEAR. I disagree with you on this one Walt. The Grammies are nothing but a sham yes an all-star game where the stars are all in the bleachers but... an idiot Eminem may be but he is a genuine honest song writer, one of the few I've had any respect for out of the latest crop of rapsters. Because of his honesty he has a very large following of devoted fans as opposed to the here today gone tomorrow talent we've seen of late. I don't care much for his style of music but he defiantly has talent. The lyric to Stan will be around a long time. Nice to hear the Boss again Liked the Nelly stage show I was trying to get a head count of how many Guitar Banjo and Mandolin players the Dixie Chicks had behind them but lost count. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:07:33 -0500 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: sucker, grammies and best and worst.... > I was trying to get a head count of how many Guitar Banjo > and Mandolin > players the Dixie Chicks had behind them but lost count. > > Chuck What I found cool was when the Dixie Chicks won they brought up co-producer Lloyd Maynes (whose daughter is the lead "Chick"). The neat thing is that I had met Lloyd here in California through a lister, our own Nikki Johnson, who is friends with his protege Terri Hendrix (an excellent singer/songwriter/guitarist from Texas. Terri and Lloyd tour as a duo (Lloyd plays mandolin). Small, small world. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:14:23 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: I'll tape the CBC show for y'all > Also, fwiw, the guy I use here in town charges $25 > to transfer NTSC to PAL, so it's not cheap but it > *would* be possible to get this duped in PAL format. Just so there is no confusion, this is in reference to the British player format. Canadian and American VCRs are identical. I will most definitely edit out the commercials! I hate commercials! - -Andrew Yahoo! 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"Words" the tools we use to communicate, the problem is we each have our own usage and understanding, town to town, state to state, country to country, so it is easy to see how something said may not be understood, or at least how things may be misunderstood. Then we have "words" at a personal level, where something said by one person would not be accepted from another. There are people who can tell us straight "You are F*****G useless, we might not like it, but we take it because of the relationship we may have, but some other poor guy might walk up to you and ask for the time, and you punch him on the nose. There are boundaries of familiarity that we all set, but the rules are different for everyone, and one could say that has been the problem in the postings, you feel you know people, you see what others seem to be able to get away with saying, so you join in and say something you feel is OK and find your self getting jumped on. I quite like being jumped on, it beats being ignored, I am fairly new, but it is obvious that there are a group that know each other very well, and know exactly how far they can push each other with opposing opinions, but I must admit that the list became a little uncomfortable. BUT no dont censor the list, I think we all understand "difference of opinion" be it over music, politics, what ever ! it should make us think a little, consider others points of view, if you cant do that, then I am sorry but I think thats sad. Im avoiding "apostrophes, they dont seem to travel, so put them in your selves, could it be differences in keyboards eg. I'm, it's, that's will it happen ?????? Caught a joke the other night, yes another one !!! Old men do not need viagra because they are impotent Its because old women are ugly , and the women were laughing loudest, the men were probably too scared to laugh, can you imagine cracking up, laughing out loud and you turn and your wife is looking daggers at you. All the way home she would be saying, is that why you dont love me anymore, cause you think Im ugly? No its because every time I put my hand on your arse you say "You can bugger off its not Christmas Eve" Read any womens problem page, all men do when they need a laugh, and I guarantee there will be a woman saying " My husband hasnt touched me for 13 years" and on the same page there will be a woman saying "My husband only wants me for sex, its just sex, sex, sex. We are all living with the wrong people, we should all just walk out the door across the road and do a swap with the neighbour, if he sends you back with a lawnmower be sure to wear a condom. If you live opposite a cliff you better take care also, and its hard luck on the guys who live opposite a Monastery, or the girls if they live opposite a Nunnery, but if youre Gay WOW you will have your own private Harem, as long as you keep those sex mad basketball players away, you no the ones I mean , those "Harem Globetrotters" FreddyB Standing on a golf course dressed in PVC I chanced upon a golf girl selling cups of tea She asked me would I like one, asked me with a grin For threpence you can buy one full right to the brim CARAVAN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:00:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: sucker, grammies and best and worst.... In a message dated 2/25/03 8:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, JRMCo1@aol.com writes: > What I found cool was when the Dixie Chicks won they brought up co-producer > Lloyd Maynes (whose daughter is the lead "Chick"). The neat thing is that > I had met Lloyd here in California through a lister, our own Nikki Johnson, > who is friends with his protege Terri Hendrix (an excellent > singer/songwriter/guitarist from Texas. Terri and Lloyd tour as a duo > (Lloyd plays mandolin). Small, small world. > > Me too!! I had the pleasure of meeting Lloyd Maines and Terri Hendrix as well thru Nikki at Godfrey Daniels in Bethlehem, PA. These r some bare knucklin finger pickin homegrown heart of Texans. Love them!!!! nuff said Julius? rosie in nj Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:45:53 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: speaking of Mingus After hearing all this talk about Mingus, I just had to add my 2 cents worth. I've never listened to the Mingus album much, but I have to say this: Joni's best performances from both the "Shadows and Light" and "Refuge of the Roads" videos are Mingus songs! I never tire of watching "The Dry Cleaner" (from S&L) and "God Must Be a Boogie Man" (from Refuge). I have to rewind the video and play these songs over at least 4 times before I pack up and put away the tape. And I'm always so sad when it's over. :( Anybody else (who has seen the videos) feel the same? Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:48:18 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #67 Anne wondered: > This has led me to ponder the following. What song is > Joni's best vocal? I may have to consider that I bit > more. Probably something in the C&S through Hejira > timeframe. I think her voice was at its peak about > then. So, I'm not thinking best song. I'm thinking best > "playing" of her instrument. Hmm. Maybe Edith and the Kingpin (I especially love the S&L version). I also writhe every time I hear Off Night Backstreet. Neither necessarily among her best songs, but... Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:06:31 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re:Old NY Times review From the articles data base via Bob Muller's post came this from > Anyway, I loved the prophetic comment this reviewer made about this GREAT > Carnegie Hall show: > > "I suspect that in her own way Joni Mitchell may be one of the most > genuinely gifted composers North America has yet developed. That she > chooses to express her art in small forms and personal sentiments in no way > reduces either its impact of its importance." > > Look! He didn't even specify a gender! :~) And keep in mind, this was > 1972... > > Bob I am pretty certain that this was the Carnegie Hall concert I attended. And I had been looking for this review for some time - I see that it was posted less than a year ago. My recollection from long, long ago was that this review concluded with a one paragraph afterthought along the lines of "Jackson Browne opened for Ms Mitchell last night. True, he writes good songs - - but his presentation is extremely dull". Les - could you (or anyone else) confirm whether my recollection on this is correct ? I may be thinking of a different review, but I do not think so. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:06:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #144 --- robin mortlock wrote: > Hi > > I am new to all this and i have managed to delete > the instructions about > contributing to the list. I hope this gets > somewhere. It did indeed and welcome to the list. I hope you don't catch hell from people who won't be happy about the fact that you managed to copy what looks like an entire digest into your reply though :) How long have you been a Joni fan? That's what some of us old fogies want to know! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:15:21 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: sucker, grammies and best and worst.... > Does it? I think that Noarh Jones has a stunning voice. There is a > natural, unstrained quality that is rarely heard these days. > > The grammies do suck, but Norah Jones and Emimem don't. Your loss if > you dismiss them out of hand. > > Best, > > David I agree wholeheartedly with David about Norah Jones. She has a lovely, soulful voice and she sings with such honesty. I agree that, for the most part, the writing on her debut leaves something to be desired with the exception of two songs. Hank Williams' 'Cold, Cold Heart' which Norah almost makes the listener forget is a C&W song and the final cut, the lovely Hoagy Carmichael/Ned Washington standard, 'The Nearness of You'. There are one or two others that are slightly above the rest - 'Come Away With Me' (one of the songs that Norah herself wrote), and 'Turn Me On'. I don't think Norah is going to be known as a songwriter. She is making her name as a very fine, maybe great, singer. The first couple of times I listened to her cd, I also thought 'nice but kinda bland.' After repeated listenings, I have changed my mind. I think Norah just might have that rare talent that Billie Holiday had of being able to transform mediocre material into something special. Is it profound? No. Does it make you wanna rock out? No. Does it make you want to write your congressman or join a protest march? No. It does make you feel good. It does me anyway. It also taps into human feelings and experience, thanks to Norah's extraordinary ability to communicate in a straightforward and honest way with a natural sounding, beautiful voice. Norah seems to be very humble from what I have read about her and heard her say in interviews. She never wanted to started out at the top. She wants room to grow and somewhere to go. Let's hope she is allowed that. This is only her first album, for crying out loud! Cut her some slack! And does a truly fine singer have to write their own material to be worth listening to? Hmmm.....Aretha Franklin, Dusty Springfield, Tony Bennett, Janis Joplin, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan (for you, Stephen in Vancouver!)....need I say more? I've been trying to think of a Joni song that I would like to hear Nora sing. Maybe 'I Don't Know Where I Stand' or 'Marcie' - one of Joni's earlier, 'ingenue' songs. Or 'Woman of Heart and Mind' (listening to For the Roses today - what a brilliant album!) Btw, I don't think that just because 'Travelogue' is old material that there is nothing there worth discussing. If nothing else, the differences between the original versions and the Travelogue versions would make for some interesting discussions, imo. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:15:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: speaking of Mingus In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:46:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: > And I'm always so sad when it's over Yeah, I know what you mean, Mia...I've been enjoying my Joni vids & DVD's again since I got a new player for Christmas. But I'm not TOO sad, I just put another one in! :o) And I did my homework, listened to ALL of Mingus - so wonderful! I especially enjoyed the acoustic guitar work she does, and I hadn't heard the studio version of "Boogie Man" for a while, just live versions. Sweet! I'm leaving it in the player and will spin it again in the morning with coffee. In an unrelated note, PLEASE y'all remember those NJC's - gentle reminder... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:45:07 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Wally, American Idol, Hissing & a new Dog Eat Dog cover? Today I saw Wally K -- The Original Good Time That Was Had By All -- again in Boston. Anyway, while listening to "Hejira" on my Walkman (Note: When I first joined this list, I was a "Blue" guy -- must be a Smurf thang -- but now I am a hopelessly hooked "Hejira" head), I took a walk to a bus and a bus to a train and read The Boston Globe along the way. So what did I find in today's paper? A Joni reference! So, without further ado, here's the blurb from today's Globe TV section: "'I *highly* recommend that you sign up for an *extreme* weight-loss program *soon*.' That's the sound of the starmaking machinery on "American Idol," which takes on eight more semifinalists at 8 on Ch. 25." I got off the Green Line at Prudential and went to meet Wally where he was waiting for me on a bench in the Pru Center, outside Legal Seafood. Before I could show him the Globe's Joni mention, he said, "I can't believe you missed it. They were just playing "The Hissing of Summer Lawns!" (Insert "Twilight Zone" music with Martian tunings here.) Sometimes I really do love the way life does these things . . . Wasn't it Brenda who used to sign off her posts with "Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous?" Well, He was a a real boogie man today! Later, we went to the new Virgin store and I found a CD by a group called Little Charlie and the Nightcats with a song called "Dog Eat Dog" on it. Could that be an undiscovered cover, Mr. Covers King? We also saw the Goldie Hawn CD with "Carey" on it, and Ethel Merman's newly re-released disco album. We did lots of other stuff, but that's all the Joni content for today! (I think that's sufficient.) Also, the people who have said they will be at Wally's brunch on Sunday, March 9th are Anne, Ashara, Barbara & Chuck, Jody & That Guy, Maggie, Wally, and me. Anyone else before I call for reservations? Newbies and lurkers, don't be shy! --Bob PS: Wally kept asking me where he could find a Jayo party . . . what the hell is that? I thought it had something to do with Jennifer Lopez, but he says no . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:59:04 -0500 (EST) From: "walterphil" Subject: guess i hit a nerve or 2 sorry about slammin nora and m + m let me backpeddle a bit i admit i dont own nora's cd i based my opinion on hearing a few of her songs on the radio (how could you not) and i thought-ok voice, but b l a n d and when i found out she hadn't written her "hit" song i dismissed her so i admit i may have been wrong there i will give the cd a listen it just infuriates me that the grammy's always award the most commercial artists (the flavor of that year if you will) and boy did i get a lot of cranky emails about em-- so i'll say this about him he's cute (i'm gay) he's got an interesting voice and he's charismatic also i guess i can't get over his taunting moby (an artist i truly respect) in a silly sophmoric way and his homophobic remarks were never adequately explained away for me yes, yes, i know they said that was a "character" speaking those horrible things but try explainig that to a confused/angry adolescent who doesn't like the wimpy guy in gym class. and eminem never apologized... never. just went on and on about his rights (yes i bought his first cd but not his second) it sickened me and to give him a grammy--- i just give up by the way the only moving part about those stupid grammies was the tribute to joe strummer (thank God for elvis costello & the foo fighters) i was crying and i still have a lump in my throat and they sure as hell never gave the clash a grammy xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:28:14 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Grammys ... Joni, Shawn, James, Norah Like a broken clock which is correct two times a day, the Grammys occasionally get it right. When the soundtrack O Brother Where Art Thou? cleaned up in 2002, they got it right. When in 2001 Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now won for best traditional pop vocal album, they got it right. When in 1996 Joni Mitchell's Turbulent Indigo won for best pop album, they got it right. When Bonnie Raitt cleaned up that one year, partly for her then current work and partly for her rich history, they got it right. When almost every album the Pat Metheny Group puts out wins for best contemporary jazz album, they get it right. When Shawn Colvin won for best contemporary folk album in 1988, and then ten years later, for song of the year and record of the year for Sunny Came Home, they got it right. When, that same year, James Taylor's Hourglass won for best pop album, and Alison Krauss/Union Station won best bluegrass album, So Long, So Wrong, and then in 2002, again for best bluegrass album, New Favorite, they got it right. There are countless other examples, and, of course, countless examples of when they got it wrong. This year Norah Jones cleaned up, and in my view, they got it right. She has a beautiful, natural, graceful and genuinely soulful voice, thankfully devoid of the hyper-melismatic mannerisms so many others are afflicted with these days. She plays great piano ... her sly, elegant touch and hip self-accompaniment calls to mind Nat King Cole. She writes tuneful, smart songs, and chooses tuneful smart songs of others, including chestnuts from Hoagy Carmichael and Hank Williams. Her approach is subtle, intelligent, heartfelt, and eminently musical. She seems to be truly down to earth and has uncompromising artistic integrity. I think we will hear great things from her to come. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:45:56 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re-Sweet Sucker Dance, comming to the list. In response to this song -I had an Old English Sheepdog named "Mings Magic Dance" taken from the song. How I came to this name was that in Dec. 1992 I found out that I had full blown Aids T-cell of 38, not good. The DR. told me that I needed to focus on a reason to be here, I had a female Old English named "Big Molly Ming" after "Molly Mc Gee" I decide to get a new puppy so I would have a reason to get out of bed. He was my new solo, It was my "Dance." Sadly Magic passed in April of 2002, I would have never thought that I would outlive him, but we move in measures... Molly passed late May, 5 weeks after Magic. My name being Mingus I always felt a special bond to Joni releasing "Mingus." I also came up with this E-mail address MINGSDANCE for the fact that this is my dance. At a time when I was really at a low point my best friend Jimmy Stewart, knowing how much I always had loved Joni, started copying the entire homepage for me and he would drop off a new tidbit every day, he even completed it with a fine white notebook to store my new treasures. After much labor of copying one day he appeared like an Angel with a computer from his office for me, we spent the day signing me up to the JMDL, putting all Joni things in "My favorite places," since I was computer challenged it would easy for me to access without him here. As they say the rest is history. I started writing Wally Breeze and before you know it I was photographing Joni's 55th birthday concert with Jimmy. Because of this list and the people I've met I'm still here! I still have a reason to be here on this planet and I thank all of you for that. By the way my favorite album/song "Hejira"... Peace to all! 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