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onlyJMDL Digest      Tuesday, February 25 2003      Volume 2003 : Number 066



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  5 & 1/4 weeks and counting down: American Masters special on USA's PBS  ["]
  RE: what brought you to joniland?        ["Heather" <chiaroscuro@snet.net>]
  Re: The State of the List                   ["kakki" <kakkib@vzavenue.net>]
  Another Joni-only Convert & CBC          [Lindsay Moon <moonlj@san.rr.com>]
  Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #65        ["Lili Love" <LiliLove33@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Guitars                                 ["kakki" <kakkib@vzavenue.net>]
  was Woodstock now California       ["Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>]
  Re: Guitars                        ["Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>]
  Re: was Woodstock now California  [David Sadowski <dsadowski@ameritech.net]
  Re: The State of the List                                  [JRMCo1@aol.com]
  Re: State of the list                        [Les Irvin <ljirvin@jmdl.com>]
  what brought me to the jmdl                     ["ron" <flopit@mweb.co.za>]
  What blew me like a leaf this way?  [Little Bird <littlebird3333@yahoo.com]
  More Grammys (some JC)     ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" <jlamadoo@fuse.net>]
  Re: what brought me to the jmdl                      [frasere@intergate.ca]
  woodstock                           ["Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>]
  Re: Woodstock                      ["Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>]
  what brought you to joniland?       ["Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>]
  Re: Woodstock                                        [frasere@intergate.ca]
  Re:  the state of this list                          [frasere@intergate.ca]
  Today in History: February 25                            [ljirvin@jmdl.com]
  Today's Library Links: February 25                       [ljirvin@jmdl.com]
  Re: The State of the List - Instant messaging info - No Joni  content  ["M]

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:39:21 -0500
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" <jlamadoo@fuse.net>
Subject: 5 & 1/4 weeks and counting down: American Masters special on USA's PBS

Wednesday, April 02, 2003.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/mitchell_j_homepage.html

Avoid the rush:  Buy your popcorn and blank video tape today.

Judging by the schedule posted so far, it's an hour long.  I guess almost
all of us could write that hour, right?
<The rest is njc.  It's just a writer's exercise because... well, because I
miss Julie Z. Webb, I suppose.>

"Tonight on American Masters.....
 the miracle of.....
 ..... <pregnant pause>......
 <inserted voice-over>
 Joni Mitchell.
<vintage footage of Joni singing BSN>
<20 second animation of PBS logo in motion>
- ---
Tonight........................
The American Masters Series....
looks at.......................
<inserted voice-over>
Joni Mitchell..................
This program is underwritten by.............

<vintage footage of the reenactment of raising the USA flag at Iwo Jima
while the Marine Corps Band plays "Battle Hymn of The Republic">

"the United States Army...."

<elapsed time: 3 & 1/2 minutes of a 58 minute program>

"Joni got her start in life not far from a Canadian Army post in
Saskatchewan.
And now a pledge break.
.......................
The American Masters Series is underwritten by.."
<inserted voice-over> "The United States Army."
........
In the late 60s, while the music industry was lousy with Commie
sympathizers, Joni played for the courageous soldiers of the United States
Armed Forces at Fort Bragg.  Yes, those brave fighting men in uniform have
always held a place close to Joni's heart.

Her song, "The Beat Of Black Wings" heralded in a new era of exalting
America's fighting forces.  In Joni's own words,"

<video of the back of Joni's head, while her disconnected voice says,>
"You gotta raise 'em up like sheep."

"Joni Mitchell.  For a Canadian woman, she's not so bad.  The End."

While the credits roll, the voice over says,
"To learn more about....
<inserted voice-over> '..Joni Mitchell..'
visit www.go-army.mil/joni ".

Lama

Or maybe not.....  Who says we don't talk about music anymore?


np: The Cowboy Junkies' take on "Sweet Jane".  Hey, it times of desperation
and uncertainty, the classics can be mighty reassuring.

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:50:56 -0500
From: "Heather" <chiaroscuro@snet.net>
Subject: RE: what brought you to joniland?

I remember it being the very ethereal for me when Hejira first came out.  I
had been wearing down my copies of FTR (yes ... I had to get another
one!)and I was so glad when Joni made Hejira.  I could just float away
listening to Amelia, Hejira, Song For Sharon.  Even the haunting harmonica
in Fury Sings The Blues.  Priceless.

Heather

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of
SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:59 PM
To: joni@smoe.org
Subject: Re: what brought you to joniland?


I just wanted to see if there was anyone else on the planet that thought
Hejira was the best record that had ever been made.

Found out I wasn't as strange as I had previously suspected. ;~)

Bob

NP: Blind Boys, "Way Down In The Hole"

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:10:54 -0800
From: "kakki" <kakkib@vzavenue.net>
Subject: Re: The State of the List

Sarah wrote:

> Les, as well as having the computer pick up NJC content, could it
> also pick up PC (political content)?  In other words, could the
> computer create three categories of subscriber?

I also suggested something along these lines a few months ago.  Les created
a PC list, but it seems that even though a number of people signed up, this
did not confine political posts to that list, possibly because some people
don't want to feel like they are being isolated off on another list.  That's
why I feel the PC designation could be a bit more user friendly.  I really
feel for those who do not want to read people hashing out the political/war
threads here, even though I am as guilty as anyone of becoming involved in
them.  That's why I would like to see a solution for those who want to stay
engaged.  I vascillate greatly between agreeing they don't belong here and
then other times liking the insight and background that a wide variety of
people can bring to the discussion.  There may be a strong number who want
to keep them, but on the other hand, there is also a strong number who
really are put off by them and that sentiment goes way back before the
events of the past year or so.  I think we have to respect those people's
feelings - to keep ignoring those who are tired of them and sick of hitting
the delete key is not being sensitive to the wishes of others in the greater
community here.  I hate to think people are feeling forced over to JC only
primarily because of the political threads on the NJC list.  I also think
that if a separate designation were added, I would hope that those who
choose to engage will do so in the spirit of open-mindedness and friendship
and respect. Or if some discussions turn more heated, to take it as
sometimes coming with the territory.

Kakki

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:02:16 -0800
From: Lindsay Moon <moonlj@san.rr.com>
Subject: Another Joni-only Convert & CBC

Just now subscribed to the Joni-Only list.  Whew!  I just could not take 
any more in-depth analyses of the war situation.  I'm sorry, I'm just a 
blonde through and through (well, after a visit to my hairdresser in the 
morning, I should be).

On a Joni note, I am so excited hearing about the upcoming Joni show on CBC 
all that war discussion may just be a dim memory!  Oh please oh please 
someone say we Americans can get a copy!

Checking airfares to Canada as we speak ...

Lindsay

"Here in (San Diego) it's pourin' rain ... palm trees in the porch light 
like slick, black cellophane ..."

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:31:55 -0800
From: "Lili Love" <LiliLove33@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #65

How we've gone from Rap Hip-Hop to Norah Jones is BEYOND me... not that I'm
an aficianado of Rap-Hop, though I like a few of Dre's songs, a few of
Snoops, most of Em's.

But where did Norah Jones come from?   Her songs, while pleasant, are
nothing more than pleasant.  Joni, of course of far better, and Norah
doesn't write her own songs, not the music, at least. Maybe she writes the
lyrics.  What about Shawn Colvin, Lucinda Williams, Jess Klein, Carrie
Newcomer, Kasey Chambers, Lucy Kaplansky, Patty Griffin, Rickie Lee Jones?
Jeez anyone with an edge!

Who won last year?

Steely Dan one the year before last....(beat Eminem, who did a great version
of "Stan" with Sir Elton).

I just don't see how the same kids who like Nelly, Eminem, Pink, No Doubt,
Ludicris (sp?) can also listen to Norah Jones.  To me, though I prefer her
sound to some of the harsher sounding artists mentioned, she's
BORRRRRRRRRRRING.

And she's not a songwriter.  I didn't like her before she swept the
Grammy's.  Now I hate her.

And what about Warren Zevon?   Great album, and he's dying of Cancer, great
artist, writer....no accolades.   Who votes for these awards?   The hard of
hearing, low in sensibility?

The boy bands, Britney and Christina were bad but at least you could
rationalize is as gum... Nora (Norah?) is like adult contemporary.. 'cept
she's young..and on the topic of young, why not Avril Lavigne?  She has
edge, writes her own tunes and has just lost her milk teeth.

Where'd Norah come from?  She said she didn't think her kind of music won
these kinds of awards.  Boy, she ain't kidding.

Lili
disgusted

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:48:14 -0800
From: "kakki" <kakkib@vzavenue.net>
Subject: Re: Guitars

Kate wrote:

> about 2? years ago  many of the biggest stars in music put together a
> benefit to help him with his costs relating to his illness...i am pretty
> sure kakki was there & could tell you more about how he is beloved by
> many...

I feel really honored that Paul chose to come here to scoop us on the
guitars and I also feel Bob can't be faulted for not knowing that Fred
and/or his representatives are regarded so highly.  Most people don't meet
people like that in everyday business.  A number of us JMDLers attended the
stupendous benefit to Fred and I have to say I have never seen anyone so
incredibly loved and honored by so many of the top musicians of the
60s-today.  A few of us met him at the after-party and he just bowled us
over with his sweetness.  He is considered a real angel among many who are
so reknowned today.  And he is one of Joni's biggest angels and dearest
friends over the years by many accounts.

Kakki

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:45:40 -0800
From: "Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>
Subject: was Woodstock now California

> Joni again on war and peace and the dream:
> "Sitting in a park in Paris, France
> Reading the news and it's all bad
> They won't give peace a chance
> That was just a dream some of us had."

And later in the same song:

All the news of home you read
More about the war and the bloody changes

Mark E Somewhere in Washington State

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:49:10 -0800
From: "Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Guitars

> about 2? years ago  many of the biggest stars in music put together
a
> benefit to help him with his costs relating to his illness...i am
> pretty sure kakki was there & could tell you more about how he is
> beloved by many...

I remember this, Kate, and it makes me wonder if those guitars were
Joni's donation to the cause.  Maybe she just gave them to him and
said, "Here, Fred.  If you can get something for these that will help
you out, go for it."

It's a nice thought, anyway.

Mark E in the Sweet By and By

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:50:19 -0600
From: David Sadowski <dsadowski@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: was Woodstock now California

Years ago I always thought the line "reading Rolling Stone/reading 
Vogue" was actually "reading Rolling Stone/read and roll," which 
actually would've been a better line IMHO as that's what people did back 
in 1971... read RS and rolled joints...

Mark or Travis wrote:

>>Joni again on war and peace and the dream:
>>"Sitting in a park in Paris, France
>>Reading the news and it's all bad
>>They won't give peace a chance
>>That was just a dream some of us had."
>>    
>>
>
>And later in the same song:
>
>All the news of home you read
>More about the war and the bloody changes
>
>Mark E Somewhere in Washington State

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:15:56 EST
From: JRMCo1@aol.com
Subject: Re: The State of the List

Does the JMDL seem to have taken on a different flavor 
lately?  Does it seem to have lost some of its sense of community?

Hi.  I'd like to add just a few thoughts to this discussion, as one who has 
been somewhat inactive of late, but by no means indifferent to the JMDL.  
Bear in mind that I believe any observations I could make would only be a 
*static* appraisal of a phenomenon that is in a *constant state of flux*.  I 
think the mere posing of the question itself results in a degree of list 
metamorphosis, in terms of content, compared to a few days ago.  

Moreover, what is the basis for comparison...is the list "different" from 
what?  From the JMDL of 1988, when Joni, Van and Zimmerman were on that sweet 
mini-tour?  Or from the JMDL of 1987 when at one point the scuttlebutt was 
Julie Z's inaugural Jonifest?  I mean, how does one hold current list members 
and their posts to some undefinable standard presumably attained by lists 
gone by...a completely different group of people in utterly different times.  


And before I lament that this post or that wasn't "fun" or "enjoyable" to 
read when reading the jmdl, I try to consider how fulfilling and cathartic it 
can be to simply express oneself, eloquent or not, in a forum in which one 
feels comfortable.  The mere *opportunity* to be heard by 800 of your peers 
is a rare gift...whether misunderstood immediately deleted by the majority, 
or not.   I appreciate the privilege and have availed myself of it many 
times.  Hell, I'm doing it right now.

Today's manifestation of the JMDL is as wonderful as any I've been blessed to 
be a part of over my long strange trip here.  I want to get to know you all.  
Everyone seems to sincerely love Joni and no one comes off as a complete tool 
in their posts.  Let's give credit where credit's due.  :-)

I have nothing but respect for those who post their political views in one 
form or another and shudder to think of the inherent bias of any moderation 
of same in this forum.  I don't always "like" the viewpoints, but I always 
appreciate the candor.  

For the most part, it seems to me that jmdlers are smarter than the average 
bear and so many are incredibly talented musically...artistically.  So many 
of you are truly beautiful people who have been so very kind to me.  Nothing 
compares to the dynamic of the people on this list, just as no one compares 
to the artist who has brought us together from all corners of the globe.

For best results from the JMDL, I strongly urge everyone to get outside the 
box...come to Jonifest west or east this year.  You'll look at this list 
completely differently hence.  You can't help but feel the love.  And it 
makes for many interesting Joni-related things to discuss here on the list.  
For me the jmdl remains very much a community...in the very best sense of the 
word.  My heart believes that, as wonderful as this list has been for me over 
the years, the best is yet to come.

- -Julius

NP: Big Yellow Taxi -"The Dawntreader" 

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:21:30 -0700
From: Les Irvin <ljirvin@jmdl.com>
Subject: Re: State of the list

At 2/24/2003 04:43 PM, Aerchak@aol.com wrote:
>That said, some thoughts on the list: 1) I was totally surprised to hear Les
>say that he didn't care for the political discussions because I  thought it
>was Les that had stated that the people who did not want the political posts
>had spewed venom or made venomous renarks.

Let me clarify:

1) I said "I don't particularly care for the political threads which seem 
to be dominating in the last few months", in other words "I have chosen not 
to read the Iraq threads".  I have enjoyed and read many political threads 
throughout the years.

2) The venom comment was in regards to certain isolated responses from the 
OnlyJoni list when the NJC tag was inadvertently left off a post - it had 
nothing to do with political content.

Les... a humorless, cliquish, total wackjob.

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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:43:46 +0200
From: "ron" <flopit@mweb.co.za>
Subject: what brought me to the jmdl

hi


i wound up here 'cause someone accused me of not be nice...

i somehow wound up running the michelle shocked list after the previous list
owner bailed (too long & messy to repeat the story).

some guy pitched up as a new member, introduced himself for a while. then he
unsubbed & said that it was cause he hadnt been made to feel welcome. not
like on the joni list. i seem to remember but am not too sure that it was
patrick.

his statement intrigued me. i had never thought of a list as being a
community. the michelle list was plagued with squabbles & arguments, but i
still loved it. also, i adored joni's music. so i came whizzing on over
here. burnt my fingers on one or two listers. got welcomed by a couple
others. got sent a virtual hug by ashara & stuck around.

yeah - sometimes it did seem a bit strange. a bit touchy feely. a bit too
taking ourselves seriously. nothing wrong with that tho. once you get used
to it you start to realise its just a bunch of people being friendly. caring
for each other. and thats a good place to be....

personally ive never met a single one of the listers in person. but i really
do feel as if i know you. and i definitely do care about most of you. all in
all its a really great place.

its also a good place to find out about joni  :-)


ron
ps - whatever happened to the "beside herself" statue????

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:40:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Little Bird <littlebird3333@yahoo.com>
Subject: What blew me like a leaf this way?

It was Jim Johanson who urged me to join since he and
I discussed Joni via email a lot. He said, "There's
this great little community you should visit..."

Reaching for words and drawing blanks,

- -Andrew
Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:45:57 -0500
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" <jlamadoo@fuse.net>
Subject: More Grammys (some JC)

Today's word of the day is "compression."

These albums don't have much compression: "Travelogue", "Both Sides Now",
"For the Roses", "Mingus" and Tori Amos' "Boys For Pele".

"Court and Spark" has lots of compression.  Remember when I said that in
complex passages, "Court and Spark" gets congested and gritty?

Imagine that you put "Court and Spark" on at very low volume.  You can still
hear almost everything because what would normally be a quiet passage was
squeezed, or compressed, into an average loudness.  What would ordinarily
have been loud was also "squeezed" (compressed) into average loudness.  It
sounds a little like AM radio- gritty and compressed.  (A little bit.)

Leaving the imaginary volume very low, now put on the "Both Sides Now" cd.
The quiet passages can't be heard at all.  That's why lots of people say
that "Both Sides Now" should be played loudly; it is not compressed.

Lama


Bruce asked,
>>>
Jay Newland <edited> says he wanted the album "to sound like the ones I grew
up with, like an old Joni Mitchell album -- not
compressed to death."

What does he mean by 'compressed'?

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:47:27 -0800
From: frasere@intergate.ca
Subject: Re: what brought me to the jmdl

Quoting ron <flopit@mweb.co.za>:


> its also a good place to find out about joni  :-)
> 
> 
> ron
> ps - whatever happened to the "beside herself" statue????


Yeah, Sarah, how bout an update??

Best,
Stephen in Vancouver 

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:00:57 -0800
From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: woodstock

>She DREAMED she saw the bombers turning into butterflies, but dreams
aren't reality.  She says we've GOT to get ourselves back to the garden;
she doesn't say we're already there<

i was at woodstock (the one & only)& there were many helicopters flying
overhead...at one point, after the rains, one that looked like it was from
the military dropped flowers all over the crowd...an amazing sight to behold
& so i always see this image when that line about bombers turning into
butterflies is sung because metaphorically that is what really happened...

********************************************
Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com
Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs
Over the Moon-
"bringing the melancholy world of twilight
to life almost like magic" All Music Guide
********************************************
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
committed citizens can change the world,
indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
Margaret Mead

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:08:55 -0800
From: "Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Woodstock

> At 06:19 PM 2/24/2003 -0500, Deb Messling wrote about "Woodstock:"
>> So many writers trot out the "voice of her generation" cliche and
>> cite Woodstock as some sort of hippie anthem
>
> To me, the song always was and always will be a hippie anthem. :-)
> If some want to label it "the voice of a generation" I think it's a
> compliment to
> the songwriter for capturing the emotion of an entire generation.
>
>
>> She DREAMED she saw the bombers turning into butterflies, but
dreams
>> aren't reality.  She says we've GOT to get ourselves back to the
>> garden;
>> she doesn't say we're already there.
>
> Isn't that the point? The reality in 1969 was bombers strafing
> southeast Asia, the dream was and still is to take this flying
> machine of destruction and turn it into something more peaceful and
> beautiful, like a butterfly. She's *hoping* society will find the
> garden, or some semblance of a garden. Few would have argued then
> that we were "already there" in the garden...the
> *dream* was for everyone to get there...and that is why the song is
> an anthem.

I agree that the song is an anthem both in Joni's original version and
in the Travelogue version.

The Ladies of the Canyon version makes me think of a pagan priestess
singing an invocation, the beginning of some sacred ritual.  It is
sung with reverence and a certain amount of awe.  The voice soars into
the stratosphere, reaching toward the heavens.  It recalls a recent
event, a gathering of the tribes.  But in spite of the fact that it
recalls a communal event, to me it has the sound of a single soul
expressing the exaltation and hope brought on by that event, not the
'voice of a generation.'

On Travelogue she doesn't have that instrument that can reach those
heights anymore.  So she takes a different route and gives the song a
weight and profundity that it couldn't have had in the original.  More
than 30 years have passed since the song and the event that inspired
it.  Altamont, Kent State, Watergate, the Gulf War, Chernobyl,
Exxon-Valdez, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the fall of the
Berlin Wall, 9-11 - all of these things and more have come to pass in
the intervening years and have perhaps changed the way we view what
was for many, the defining moment of a generation.  Woodstock, the
event is now history and the stuff of legend.  Joni's latest
incarnation of the song, Woodstock achieves anthemic status in a
different way.  It is now hindsight, nostalgic and colored with the
tint of myth.  It has become a slow and stately march, more about the
half a million than the solitary child of God who finally, but only
for a fleeting few days, found that place of song, celebration and
naive innocence.

Annie Ross once said that Lady in Satin was her favorite Billie
Holiday record "because there's a whole life in that voice."  I think
the same can be said for Joni's singing on Travelogue.  Billie died
when she was in her 40s.  Although it could be argued that she had
more life experience in that time than a lot of people have in 80
years, I don't think that lessens the fact that Joni has lived nearly
60 years and that there is perhaps even more of a life in Joni's
voice.  The voice gives new insight into Woodstock, a perhaps sadder,
but wiser recollection of the event.  This latest version is different
from the original but no less anthemic.

The more I listen to Travelogue, the more I hear in the voice that has
a whole life in it.  Some of the arrangements that didn't seem to work
for me at first make more & more sense to me the more I listen.
Although some of them are truly stunning and really do enhance the
songs, I think some of them merely serve the purpose of providing an
interesting but unobtrusive backdrop to that voice.  And that voice
with the whole life in it has new insights to bring to these songs,
even though it was in better shape when it sang them the first time.

Mark in Seattle

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:11:06 -0800
From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: what brought you to joniland? 

vince > and James, I love you guy, you are the greatest, you are so
wonderful, I
can't express how much I love you and love your posts! >

jim > And I, you, Vince. <

ahhhh its a beautiful thing...what the world needs now is love sweet
love...its the only thing there is much too little of...

********************************************
Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com
Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs
Over the Moon-
"bringing the melancholy world of twilight
to life almost like magic" All Music Guide
********************************************
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
committed citizens can change the world,
indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
Margaret Mead

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:49:35 -0800
From: frasere@intergate.ca
Subject: Re: Woodstock

Quoting Mark or Travis <mark.travis@gte.net>:

> On Travelogue she doesn't have that instrument that can reach those
> heights anymore.  So she takes a different route and gives the song a
> weight and profundity that it couldn't have had in the original.  More
> than 30 years have passed since the song and the event that inspired
> it.  Altamont, Kent State, Watergate, the Gulf War, Chernobyl,
> Exxon-Valdez, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the fall of the
> Berlin Wall, 9-11 - all of these things and more have come to pass in
> the intervening years and have perhaps changed the way we view what
> was for many, the defining moment of a generation.  Woodstock, the
> event is now history and the stuff of legend.  Joni's latest
> incarnation of the song, Woodstock achieves anthemic status in a
> different way.  It is now hindsight, nostalgic and colored with the
> tint of myth.  It has become a slow and stately march, more about the
> half a million than the solitary child of God who finally, but only
> for a fleeting few days, found that place of song, celebration and
> naive innocence.


Mark,

Welcome home!  It's this kind of post that I have been missing of late.  Thank 
you!
Glad you are back, and hi to Travis.

Best
Stephen in Vancouver

NP:  Patti Witten- Sycamore Tryst

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:03:35 -0800
From: frasere@intergate.ca
Subject: Re:  the state of this list

I have been a member for close to three years.  As most, I discovered the list 
by searching the net for anything Joni.  I joined and lurked for months before 
making my first post.

Two people welcomed me to the list- Bob Muller and Ashara.  I thought that was 
pretty special.   It didnt take me long to clue into the fact that they both 
did that with everyone!

It takes a bit of work to get comfortable here.  Of course there is a 
familiarity amongst those that have been here for a longer period.  I have 
never felt unwelcome- the exact opposite, truth be told.

Who knew there were Joni boots of concerts and unreleased material?  Wow!  I 
remember the day I received my first non-commercial Joni CDs- thanks Bob!  I 
was blown away.  Wally Kairuz was visiting from Argentina that day.

Which is a story in itself.

Wally and I had communicated off list after his request for North American food 
recipes, I believe.  We established a cyber friendship.  Next thing I know, 
this guy from Buenos Aires takes me up on my offer to come and visit, and does 
so, for two weeks.  ACK!  My friends thought I was crazy- having someone come 
to my home whom I had never met.  What if he is an axe murderer? someone 
asked.  Well, I said, call in the morning and if I dont answer the phone, I 
guess he is!  

Wally and I are brothers now.

And during his stay, Steve and Michelle Dulson, and Kate Bennett were in town 
for the Folk Alliance.  We all met for the first time and it was like visiting 
with cousins you havent seen for a year and a half!

And that is the beauty of this list.

It has truly been a community.  Anyone who has ANY doubts should come to this 
years Jonifest, and you will get it!  It has been a life altering experience 
for me and I have made many, many lifelong friends as a result.  How many in 
this world can say that?

WOW, Kakki and I had lunch with Joni a year and a half ago!  Would that have 
EVER been if not for the connection this list affords?

I am thrilled to say that I have like-minded friends from all over the world as 
a result.  Hey, Ive been married and divorced on this list ;-) gained a few 
brothers and sisters, and am in love again. 

I agree that lately we seem to have lost that magical sense of community.  Far 
too many who are integral to this list have become Joni only.  I too, am on 
the brink of doing the same.  Personal attacks, overposting, the war content 
overload!  What really gets me is how some feel that every post requires a 
response, and far too many of those are of the nature that should be sent 
personally, not to the whole list.  B---- will say it is sunny out, G---- will 
answer it isnt.  Does the list really care?  Take it off the list.  To receive 
100 posts a day and so many of them be of this content is overwhelming.

I dont suggest that the list should be moderated.  However, I firmly believe 
we need to be a bit more thoughtful and respectful of each other, and our 
differences.    Appreciate what we have, love our brothers and sisters and get 
back to the garden, as our muse has said.

And as that other muse, the blue guy said, stifle the conversations about 
religion, sex and politics.

With love and respect,
Stephen in Vancouver

Hoping to stay an NJC subscriber!

NP:  Patti Witten  Sycamore Tryst- loving it Patti and if not for this list 
would never have discovered you!

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:05:53 -0500
From: ljirvin@jmdl.com
Subject: Today in History: February 25

1972: Joni performed in Massey Hall in Toronto - Jackson Browne is the opening act.
More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=432     
- ----
For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances,
consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances:
http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:05:53 -0500
From: ljirvin@jmdl.com
Subject: Today's Library Links: February 25

On February 25 the following items were published:


1972: "Concert Is Given By Joni Mitchell" - New York Times
    (Review - Concert) 
    http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=814
	

2000: "Joni Mitchell's new look at 'Both Sides Now'" - Christian Science Monitor
    (Review - Album) 
    http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=703

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:06:55 +0100
From: "Moni Kellermann" <kellerfrau@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: The State of the List - Instant messaging info - No Joni  content

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lori Fye" <lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com>

> IMICI offers free software that allows you to IM with people who use
> AIM, Yahoo, MSN, and ICQ - at the SAME time.  I use IMICI and I love
> it.  Visit http://users.imici.com/signup.php, and choose
> the "Demonstration" license.


Seems to be similar to http://www.trillian.cc/ which I have tried out. (There
is a free version you can download).

The catch with both programs is that it still isn't possible to send messages
between the different IM services!
You may have ONE program that functions as an IM client for all those services
but you still only can send messages to and from within one service. It is not
possible to send an IM from AIM/AOL to Yahoo or from MSN to AOL or such.

moni

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