From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #59 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 22 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 059 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on war [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: trying Joni only [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Ones & Zeroes [Thomas Ross ] Re: Joni on war [vince ] Joni and cars [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Joni and cars [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Joni and cars ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: Joni and cars ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni and cars [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni and cars ["Happy The Man" ] Bush's book collection [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni and cars ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni and cars ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni and cars ["jeff t." ] Pickin' on Joni [Randy Remote ] Joni and cars ["kerry" ] Re: Pickin' on Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall ["Lori Fye" ] Re: trying Joni only [Deb Messling ] Joni on CBC March 4 and 11 [Doug ] Re Joni and cars-SUV's [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Joni on CBC March 4 and 11 [David Sadowski ] Re: Joni on CBC March 4 and 11 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #3 (sjc) Walecki ebay [Darice ] RE: trying Joni only and wall to wall ["Heather" ] Re: Joni on CBC [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni on CBC [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni on CBC [Catherine McKay ] What would Joni do? [Randy Remote ] JT summer concerts in NE ["janine sherman" ] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Pickin' on Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni on CBC Newsworld [Doug ] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall ["Jim Leonard" ] joni boxed set? ["patrick leader" ] "Shadows And Light" on DVD-Video ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] All eyes on Joni [Little Bird ] Re: What would Joni do? ["Lori Fye" ] Re: trying Joni only [Michael Paz ] Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall [Michael Paz ] Today in History: February 22 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 05:32:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on war In a message dated 2/21/2003 2:46:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, KJHSF@aol.com writes: > This is where she met Killer Kyle from The Beat of > Black Wings. And also the soldier who sends her medals in "Cactus Tree". It seems to me that she chronicles war as it affects people > > personally which is part of the beauty of her writing. Very astute observation, Ken...I think that the fact that her Dad was in the service plays into that a bit too - she has a certain amount of compassion & understanding for the enlisted man. Great post...I can easily hear her saying the line you gave her. Bob NP: Pat Valentine, "Chelsea Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 05:42:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: trying Joni only In a message dated 2/21/2003 1:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > Hello people! He's ba-ack! YAY! I'm very excited to see you back, Mark, and even happier to hear of your improved health. Like Deb says, I switched to J-only a couple weeks back, and it's been a real sanity-saver. Your voice has been missed. > > Travelogue is making me want to explore > Joni all over again! Well, that's a good thing! I'm never too far away from some Joni whether it's her studio stuff, concerts, or covers. Travelogue doesn't annoy me the way BSN does, but it doesn't really generate a lot of heat either. Maybe if SHE were doing more to promote it I would feel better about it. > > Bob Muller's backside > Surely THIS topic has been talked out! :~) But just in case my cute little tushie does pop up in the conversation, PLEASE GOD use the NJC - I don't wanna know about it! :~) Thanks for signing back on, Mark...another reason for me to stick around, which I was looking for. Bob NP: Karin Allyson, "Blue Motel Room" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:13:22 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Ones & Zeroes check out Bryan's album altogether! yes indeed! Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:25:16 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Joni on war Hey y'all, there is no dichotomy between being against a war and having concerns or compassion for service people - The person who wrote the last line of Woodstock was always one of us and yet Joni being Joni never wanted to be associated with any movement - she's a feminist and yet deplores being called one - she is out there doing her own thing. Her associations with CSNY who sang Wooden Ships, Chicago, Ohio, and Joni's own Fiddle and the Drum put Joni always in the loosely defined group of people called peace people back then, her singing Get Together at Celebration of Bug Sur - that was a "political: song back then, not a campfire folk song as it is now - but Joni was never a part of any organized anything, could never picture her walking down 5th Avenue with a picket sign (that would be Marvin Gaye territory...) but she was one of us and I suspect she still is. That she played for service people back then or would now is way cool because like her dad, ,like my dad, like my friends in the 60s and 70s, Lori and our other vets, like my son now, people in service are people doing a job and you have to love them, they aren't the people making the decisions to wage war, they are regular folks with the extra dimension that they risk all - in fact service people are among the ones we are trying to keep from getting killed - no dichotomy between being against a war and loving service people - just my thoughts with Joni content Vince SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/21/2003 2:46:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, KJHSF@aol.com >writes: > > > >>This is where she met Killer Kyle from The Beat of >>Black Wings. >> >> > >And also the soldier who sends her medals in "Cactus Tree". > >It seems to me that she chronicles war as it affects people > > >>personally which is part of the beauty of her writing. >> >> > >Very astute observation, Ken...I think that the fact that her Dad was in the >service plays into that a bit too - she has a certain amount of compassion & understanding for the enlisted man. > >Great post...I can easily hear her saying the line you gave her. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Joni and cars It just occurred to me that there are vehicles on five Joni album covers (that I can think of...) STAS - the red van LOTC - the VW bug DED - the Volvo that's been in an accident Hits - the white car Misses - same white car There's also: Car on a Hill "I'm traveling in some vehicle" "Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside accident" I'm sure there are more... Any takers on adding to this list? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:43:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and cars In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:27:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > I'm sure there are more... Any takers on adding to this > list? > There's a bunch of vehicles, to be sure. I'll add the car she's in with Klein when she's taking her "Night Ride Home", with the horse running alongside. Such beautiful romantic imagery in that song, matched by it's lovely melody. Muller says it's a standard in 50 years, and I'll have 'em all dammit! :~) Bob NP: War, "Slippin' Into Darkness" (live & cookin') ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:Thanks for signing back on, Mark...another reason for me to stick around, which I was looking for. > Bob Oh no, Bob - were you thinking of jumping ship all together? I switched to Joni only recently too. But sometimes scan the non-joni-only archives - like a bad habit I can't drop (I can think of worse habits, though). I have been wondering if the nature of the JMDL has been changing, since some longtime listers are switching to joni-only - or is this just a natural cycle of the list. Did you say you were thinking of coming up north for Wall to Wall Joni. I'm thinking of going too. I'm curious, is anybody else making the trip to the big apple for the free show? Jenny Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:10:25 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and cars In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:27:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > I'm sure there are more... Any takers on adding to this > list? > Well, we can't forget the backseat bliss in Ray's Dad's Cadillac! Or the Jaguar in the drive... Or the big dipper hanging there, over the rent-a-car Ken np: msnbc (is there any good news?) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:05:13 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and cars Anne writes: << Car on a Hill "I'm traveling in some vehicle" "Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside accident" I'm sure there are more... Any takers on adding to this list? >> Sure, Anne, I'll play -- although I don't know WHAT this has to do with politics! Cart wheels turn to car wheels I hope they finally fixed your automobile Is that our new car, Charles? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:11:30 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and cars I wrote: << Cart wheels turn to car wheels I hope they finally fixed your automobile Is that our new car, Charles? >> Oh, yeah . . . the vehicles owned by Ray's dad and Nathan La Franeer. Plus Otis in the driver's seat. --Bob, loving the Joni content ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:11:44 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni and cars ray's dad's cadillac? Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Anne writes: > ><< Car on a Hill > >"I'm traveling in some vehicle" > >"Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside > >accident" > > >I'm sure there are more... Any takers on adding to this > >list? >> > >Sure, Anne, I'll play -- although I don't know WHAT this has to do with >politics! > >Cart wheels turn to car wheels >I hope they finally fixed your automobile >Is that our new car, Charles? > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:08:23 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Joni and cars <> "because elvis gave 'em cars you think i'm cheap..... you'd eat your young alive for a jaguar in the drive." cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:21:38 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni and cars Sometimes Chickie had the car Or Ron had a car Or Lead Foot Melvin with his hot-wire head ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:33:34 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni and cars First he bought a 57 Biscayne He put it in a ditch - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:56:59 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Joni and cars Night Ride Home ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:03:46 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Bush's book collection I found this post at Shiny Monkey and thought of you. Just follow this link http://www.shinymonkey.net/2003_01_01_archives.php#90195891 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:29:59 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Joni and cars First he bought a '57 Biscayne he put it in the ditch He drunk up all the rest that son of a bitch His blood's bad whiskey I was raised on robbery! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:30:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni and cars bob >>There's a bunch of vehicles, to be sure. I'll add the car she's in with Klein when she's taking her "Night Ride Home", with the horse running alongside. Such beautiful romantic imagery in that song, matched by it's lovely melody. Muller says it's a standard in 50 years, and I'll have 'em all dammit! :~)<< cool, my cd should be out by in this time frame with this cover on it... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:40:49 -0800 From: "jeff t." Subject: Re: Joni and cars HOSL has a car parked right on the cover. And inside Harry takes a taxi... Does this make me an incompetent lurker or what? Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:55:03 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Pickin' on Joni I heard a bluegrass instrumental version of Woodstock on the radio this morning. Don't know if you have this one, Bob- it's from "Pickin' on CSN" (bluegrass versions of their songs). Good dobro. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:13:18 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni and cars Anne wrote: >Car on a Hill >"I'm traveling in some vehicle" >"Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside >accident" >I'm sure there are more... Any takers on adding to this >list? "If you're driving into town..." "Young love was kissing under bridges, kissing in cars, kissing in cafes" "I pulled up behind a Cadillac" "Yellow schools of taxi fishes" "He sees the cars as sets of waves" Kerry Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:30:19 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pickin' on Joni In a message dated 2/21/2003 3:55:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > Don't know if you have this one, Bob- it's from "Pickin' > on CSN" (bluegrass versions of their songs). Good dobro. Thanks Randy...that one is great, it was included a couple of volumes ago. And very similar is Woodstock from EuroGrass, a European Bluegrass group (duh!) which is coming up on Volume 38. There are some really nice dobro Joni covers. Orville Johnson does "I Don't Know Where I Stand" & Doug Cox does "Circle Game", and you know there may be more... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:50:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall Bob wrote: > Joni-only works really well, all we need is a bit more conversation. Can somebody, anybody, please start a JC thread?? I tried with "Joni on war" but it hasn't caught on (I guess I can understand why). That has evolved into "Joni on cars" which is fun but will have only so much mileage. Would any of the new folks care to start a dissection of some of Joni's more "cryptic" lyrics? (Please? I don't want Bob to leave!) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:04:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Another thought on Joni content Several years ago the JMDL had a writer's contest. I think the only real "rule" was that the composition had to incorporate Joni in some fashion - does anyone remember if there was a limit on length? Anyway, in the interest of reviving JC on the list, who's up for it? Lori ~ http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:25:25 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: trying Joni only Fuinny you should mention this; I won the Nobel Prize for mathematics! It was a great party. Good to have you back, Mark. Your contributions to the list have always been positive. At 10:40 PM 2/20/03 -0800, you wrote: >Deb Messling winning the Nobel Prize - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:40:43 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Joni on CBC March 4 and 11 CBC Life and Times has finally updated their schedule http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell Joni Mitchell is one of the foremost singer/songwriters and poets of our time. Her eclectic and unique body of work still touches us today as much as it did three decades ago. She has also led an equally fascinating and inspiring personal life. In this two-part, two-hour documentary, Mitchell takes us on an intimate biographical journey. She speaks in-depth about her life as a songwriter/musician/painter, and the inspiration she derives from the joy and pain shes experienced over several decades in the public eye. The program includes rare interviews with her friends and musical peers, and is highlighted by never-before-seen film performance footage and photographs. Joni Mitchell, A Woman of Heart and Mind delves into Mitchells roots in Saskatoon - an inspiration for many of her songs. The documentary also includes exclusive interviews with well-known artists and executives in the music industry, including David Crosby, Graham Nash, David Geffen, singer/songwriter Stephen Stills. The documentary also includes rarely seen footage of Mitchell performing in Greenwich Village in 1967, and footage from 1972 of Mitchell, Jackson Browne, Mama Cass and the early Eagles at an impromptu party. Mitchell also reveals how she came to write the now famous Woodstock - the anthem for her generation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:45:08 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re Joni and cars-SUV's Joni drives a Black Lexus SUV, so do I, and I love it... I know if some crazy person comes at me I stand a better chance of winning as if anyone does. Joni learned that from DED Days, I believe she was in a maroon and black Rolls Royce. When she goes to Saskatoon she rents one to 4-wheel around in. I heard you screaming down the mountain Like you were running red lights (Red lights) You had some trash-can rock band pounding Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:49:10 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Joni on CBC March 4 and 11 Is there some way that fans in the US will be able to watch this? Doug wrote: >CBC Life and Times has finally updated their schedule > >http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html > >A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:14:20 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on CBC March 4 and 11 In a message dated 2/21/2003 5:49:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsadowski@ameritech.net writes: > Is there some way that fans in the US will be able to watch > this? I'm sure some bodaciously good soul will tape it and we can tree it, David. Or maybe a bunch of good souls. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:21:08 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall In a message dated 2/21/2003 4:50:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > (Please? I don't want Bob to leave!) Aw...Lori, you're a sweetie! But you see, the real criteria is this...I have this pistol, and every Sunday I aim it at the streetlight, through the door...the day I hit - that's the day I'll leave. ;~) Bob NP: War, "All Day Music" (I absolutely cannot get enough of this record) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:14:38 -0800 (PST) From: Darice Subject: Things I tried to ignore but couldn't #3 (sjc) Walecki ebay There was a comment on the list about the correction post about the guitar listed on ebay by Westwood Music and FredWalecki. Something along the lines of "if they got that wrong, what else? maybe it isn't even Joni's guitar" Fred Walecki is one of the most respected and admired music store owners in America. The stories of the people who he helped get their first instruments, his dedication to quality, his help when Joni was thinking about giving up touring because of her difficulty handling the heavier guitars,are legendary. I thought the post was an acknowledgment that some of the people involved in the sale, (Joni, Fred, etc)thought that the guitar might find a good home with a list memeber. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:54:03 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall Lori wrote: "Can somebody, anybody, please start a JC thread??" (snip) "(Please? I don't want Bob to leave!)" I've been catching up on a bunch of backlogged JMDL digests today and was surprised (but not surprised) to find that my friend SCJoniGuy (and yes, Bob, "Astral Weeks" is a masterpiece ... some of the posts attempting to explain that were "right on," if too brief) has become a Joni-Only. I think it's definitely the right move for him, as long as he can count on people to remember to copy him on (what's become rare) music-related NJC. Get ready to move it on over, Muller (and Mark ... great to see you back!), as I'm seriously thinking about joining you there. Not long after I subscribed to the JMDL in 2000, I suggested a thread (more like a JMDL project) which, in light of Lori's plea, I'd like to suggest again. I'd like us to create Joni's 4-CD "box set" - to debate and ultimately finalize the chosen material - which, when we were done, would represent what we'd collectively like to see should a box set become available to "the public" as a definitive overview of Joni's catalog and a songwriter and performer. The Saskatoon statue conversation was sort of along these lines - what should the statue look like? - but I'd find the "box set" conversation/debate to be far more interesting, and it would allow for a complete critical review of Joni's catalog. I was going to suggest that the material be limited to that which is available commercially, but now I'd like even to be part of the debate. Can a box set be put together without including any of the early unreleased songs as they appear in the Second Fret Sets, etc. Also, should the set be chronologically compiled? ... thematic by disc? Anyway, it's an idea. If no one else is into it (Jimmy DID put a list together for me way back when ... and a very good one, as I recall), I'm planning on doing this for myself one of these days in the not too distant future. I really enjoy getting my favorite artists' complete catalogs in front of me and making a career overview. In Joni's case, it would be that much more fun to include the JMDL in a complete critical assessment, knowing we'd have to eventually whittle it all down to four 80-minute discs. Best, Jim NP: American Public Radio's "Miles Davis Radio Project" (copied to CD-R) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:01:23 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: trying Joni only i'm so glad you're back, mark. there's been a lot of back-and-forth about travelogue, some joy, some reservations ( i have a few, but i have moments that make me weak with happiness. dawntreader, anyone?) i've got a THE city story i posted before christmas. i'll send it privately. did you get a headset for work? patrick atp (about to play) - travelogue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:17:42 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: trying Joni only and wall to wall i certainly would like to jenny. would you be driving? i usually take the train. let's make a plan. anyone else want to team up? heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:55 AM To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:Thanks for signing back on, Mark...another reason for me to stick around, which I was looking for. > Bob Oh no, Bob - were you thinking of jumping ship all together? I switched to Joni only recently too. But sometimes scan the non-joni-only archives - like a bad habit I can't drop (I can think of worse habits, though). I have been wondering if the nature of the JMDL has been changing, since some longtime listers are switching to joni-only - or is this just a natural cycle of the list. Did you say you were thinking of coming up north for Wall to Wall Joni. I'm thinking of going too. I'm curious, is anybody else making the trip to the big apple for the free show? Jenny Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:31:24 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni on CBC I may just have to move to Canada temporarily to watch this. They call it A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of Joni Mitchell Besides interviews with CS&N (naturally Neil couldn't be found) and Geffen, apparently they got Joni herself to comment on.... herself (thanks Austin Powers)....>>> She speaks in-depth about her life as a songwriter/musician/painter, and the inspiration she derives from the joy and pain shes experienced over several decades in the public eye. <<>> The documentary also includes rarely seen footage of Mitchell performing in Greenwich Village in 1967, and footage from 1972 of Mitchell, Jackson Browne, Mama Cass and the early Eagles at an impromptu party. I wonder if this is just a renamed preview of the American Masters program, or something completely different (thanks Monty Python). Here's the whole synopsis, and there are a few cool pics I had not seen before: http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/mitchell.html And you thought I couldn't post JC! RR Doug wrote: > This from CBC "Life and Times" schedule: > http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_tv.html > Feb 25 > Joni Mitchell (Part 1) > Joni Mitchell has been called the most > influential recording > artist of the late 20th century. A rare, > intimate look at a > multi-award winning musician who is as > private and reflective > as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. > Mar 4 > Joni Mitchell (Part 2) > Joni Mitchell has been called the most > influential recording > artist of the late 20th century. A rare, > intimate look at a > multi-award winning musician who is as > private and reflective > as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. > Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:34:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni on CBC ps they also included a link to jmdl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:39:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on CBC --- Randy Remote wrote: > I may just have to move to Canada temporarily to > watch this. > They call it > A Woman of Heart and Mind: The Life and Times of > Joni Mitchell [...] > I wonder if this is just a renamed preview of the > American > Masters program, or something completely different Funny you should mention it because that's what I think may be the case. They showed an abbreviated version of PWWAM on CBC (I don't remember the name) and I suspect that's what they're doing with this one as well. I also just betcha they won't show it ahead of the American Masters show either - they'll reschedule it. Of course, I'm a cynic. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:47:00 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: What would Joni do? I was anti-intellectual to the max. Basically, I liked to dance and paint and that was about it. As far as serious discussions went, I found them boring. To see teenagers sitting around trying to solve the problems of the world, I figured, all things considered, I'd rather be dancing. This is from a link to some website called Super Seventies. http://www.superseventies.com/ssjonimitchell.html It was a link from the CBC page, and is called "Joni Mitchell - In Her Own Words" . It's Joni talking about Joni. Some of it seems familiar. There is a photo of her with her eyes closed imagining how large she wishes her breasts were. Or maybe I just read that into it....anyway another cool pic I've never seen, though from same photo session as some in Fleisher book. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:02:17 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: JT summer concerts in NE FYI JT fans. Good luck, Janine James Taylor Montage Mountain Amphitheater Scranton, PA Tue, 07/22/03 On Sale Mon, 02/24/03 James Taylor Tweeter Center At the Waterfront Camden, NJ Wed, 06/25/03 On Sale Mon, 02/24/03 James Taylor Hersheypark Stadium Hershey, PA Wed, 07/23/03 On Sale Mon, 02/24/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:08:40 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall In a message dated 2/21/2003 7:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: (and yes, > Bob, "Astral Weeks" is a masterpiece ... I should have copied you directly on that question - my bad. I still have mixed feelings about it, but at least I can better appreciate it. < seriously thinking about joining you there. Hopefully we can change the perception that Joni-only is the same thing as lurking. So come on over, the water is fine, and Murph's promised not to make a doody in the pool! :~) Can > a box set be put together without including any of the early unreleased > songs as they appear in the Second Fret Sets, etc. Also, should the set be > chronologically compiled? ... thematic by disc? Well, I'd be a LOT more interested in hearing "Officially" released versions of the unreleased stuff, made from master recordings, etc. Surely there are more demos, alternative recordings (Mingus demos anyone?) and such that she could easily fill up a 4-cd box set with that sort of thing. But I certainly don't want to throw a wet blanket on the idea about a comprehensive collection of her already released recordings...I would think you'd almost have to make it chronological to not have it sound uneven and scattered. So how many tracks would be on a 4-CD set? Given the song lengths for Joni, there would probably be about 12 tracks on a disc. What are the top 48 songs at the moment in the JMDL's song poll? That might be a good place to start. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:39:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Pickin' on Joni that was done by a local guy, a friend of jeff's named david wilcox...he has done a whole series of of 'pickin on' albums... >>I heard a bluegrass instrumental version of Woodstock on the radio this morning. Don't know if you have this one, Bob- it's from "Pickin' on CSN" (bluegrass versions of their songs). Good dobro. 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Here's the schedule: http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_nw.html Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:54:29 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall From: > In a message dated 2/21/2003 7:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > (and yes, Bob, "Astral Weeks" is a masterpiece ... > > I should have copied you directly on that question - my bad. I still have mixed feelings about it, but at least I can better appreciate it. > If you keep listenin' to it, I'm sure it'll open itself up to you. Also, if you're interested I'd be happy to send you some of my favorites critiques of the album - plus information on the *making* of the album, which is an astonishing story. Anyway, on to the matter at hand ... I asked: > Can a box set be put together without including any of the early unreleased songs as they appear in the Second Fret Sets, etc. Also, should the set be chronologically compiled? ... thematic by disc? You answered: > Well, I'd be a LOT more interested in hearing "Officially" released versions of the unreleased stuff, made from master recordings, etc. Surely there are more demos, alternative recordings (Mingus demos anyone?) and such that she could easily fill up a 4-cd box set with that sort of thing. > Yes, but my interest is in how the JMDL would like to see Joni presented to "the public" should she release a typical career-scoping box set, a la Clapton's "Crossroads." *Of course* you and I (and everyone else on the JMDL) would prefer a "rarities" box. :-) > But I certainly don't want to throw a wet blanket on the idea about a comprehensive collection of her already released recordings...I would think you'd almost have to make it chronological to not have it sound uneven and scattered. > Dylan's "Biograph" took a non-chonological approach, and it worked. I'm with you, though. My vote would be for a box which begins in 1967 and moves chonologically to conclude in 2003. > So how many tracks would be on a 4-CD set? > I'd think we'd probably get close to 20 songs on the first disc or two. More than 12, anyway. > What are the top 48 songs at the moment in the JMDL's song poll? That might be a good place to start. > Yes, it would. (Where is the song poll archived?) However, in the interests of JC why don't we take it an album at a time and debate it? What songs are absolutely essential inclusions from STAS? Again, think in terms of how to best present Joni's career to "the layperson," with a 320-minute time limit. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:57:00 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Joni and cars She was westbound and rolling on her Hejira when she "pulled in to the Cactus Tree Motel to shower off the dust." Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:01:20 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: joni boxed set? hey jim: i think a few of us did respond to your boxed set thread ... as a matter of fact, i think i'm repeating myself. (one of the attractions of njc for some of us jmdl-lifers is the option not to repeat oneself) still, re a joni boxed set: 1) it should include as LITTLE commercially available material as possible... reasons: i) joni wants it that way. she believes she would lose significant album sales. ii) when joni says her albums should be heard as albums, she's right. the album-length musical creation is something that has existed for only a short while (40 years) and is on its way out. one of joni's greatest achievements is to have mastered and extended the form. a boxed set that rifled the commercial files wouldn't reflect that aspect of joni's artistry, and would cause a lot of people to miss it. forever. 2) there's a terrific, transcendant possible boxed set out there, from commercially not-available and non-album material. the two most important towers of a truly historic boxed set could be: a) the joni and james taylor 1970 bbc show. most of us have heard this, but can you imagine the impact if this was released commercially? i think there is a huge audience for this concert; an audience that is likely to go for a joni boxed-set. two of the most respected 1970s figures, at the top of their artistry. b) the mingus outtakes. we know they exist; joni's mentioned them (in a long, intriguing discussion of the boxed-set idea, somewhere on jmdl.com, i think). we can bet that those outtakes are fantastic, though joni opted against them. and has kept an iron hand on them. but she seems to be letting go of things recently, in the best sense. i'd love to see her let go of these. c) okay, i mentioned two towers, so next would only be outbuildings. still, to fill out a boxed set?: i) the two unreleased songs from "alternate blue". it'd be so nice to find tom rush's original version of 'urge for going' in a joni boxed set, as well. ii) a selection or two from the hissing demos (esp. kazoo-dreamland) iii) either from the 'refuge' video or one of the great 1983 tour tapes, the newer version of 'for free'. it was already a brilliant song and she made it more so. how the hell did she do that? i do have other ideas about a potential boxed set. i think that bob's covers project has unearthed a few gems that cast so much new light on joni that they'd be worthy additions to a special "covers" cd as part of a joni boxed set. these include: robert downey jr. - river bonnie raitt - that song about the midway barbra streisand - i don't know where i stand maybe this is where csny's woodstock, msc's the same; some of the other great covers would end up. i really do see a fantastic, innovative, 4-cd boxed set that could satisfy the conflicting needs of joni and her fans. don't know if it will happen, though... patrick np - silence ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:32:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Shadows And Light" on DVD-Video Hey Jerry, Thanks for recommending the guy on ebay who almost constantly auctions "Shadows And Light" on DVD-Video. The seller I bought from, "musicculture", shipped immediately. The artwork is much nicer than on my USA VHS tape. In addition, the running time is slightly longer as you have already noted. What I wasn't prepared for was that it looks like it was shot yesterday. I mean, unlike my store-bought VHS version, the colors are true to life, not faded out like ragtime "blues". (Technically speaking, I think the VHS was struck from a faded film print.) But my biggest impression of the DVD is that people look better. It's not that the picture "looks" sharper, although it is. It's just more like "life". It's truer. High, smooth cheekbones look magnificent, as they rightfully should- as if it was shot yesterday. My total cost to have a factory-fresh, world-class, region-free DVD of the finest songwriter of my generation imported to my doorstep from the other side of the planet: $32 including one week express delivery. Naturally I went out and bought a DVD player immediately. Thanks. Lama PS, Margo also looks and sounds pretty darned good too. I've had the Junkies' "open road DVD-Video & live CD" set for awhile but it was Joan who ultimately made me buy a DVD player. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:47:59 -0500 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: joni boxed set? Thanks a lot for your thoughts on a Joni box, Patrick. I recall that you did participate in this thread the first time around, and I really appreciate you taking the time to do so again. Yours was a long post, and contained much that I agree with (most notably, that a tremendous boxed set could be created from commercially-unavailable sources). I hope that others respond to what you've written (so as to get others involved in a JC discussion, for one thing), so I'll refrain from dominating the give and take. There is one argument you put forward that I'd like to address, though. > 1) it should include as LITTLE commercially available material as possible... reasons: > > i) joni wants it that way. she believes she would lose significant album sales. > > ii) when joni says her albums should be heard as albums, she's right. the album-length musical creation is something that has existed for only a short while (40 years) and is on its way out. one of joni's greatest achievements is to have mastered and extended the form. a boxed set that rifled the commercial files wouldn't reflect that aspect of joni's artistry, and would cause a lot of people to miss it. forever. > Without disagreeing with what you've said about Joni and the album form, I contend that the songs *can* be separated from the contexts in which they're placed on the albums. After all, Joni did this in concert throughout her career. For example, in her concerts "A Case Of You" was not a lesser song for not having been surrounded by all the other material on "Blue," played in the order in which it appeared on the album. There are only a few of Joni's albums, in fact, which I believe *do* present a loose narrative, song to song (not that the sequencing isn't almost uniformly excellent). Even in those cases, however, I contend that Joni's artistry doesn't suffer when the songs are heard out of context in the way that, say, The Who's "The Acid Queen" does. Off hand, I can't think of a single song of Joni's which is dependent on its juxtapositions to be fully understood, even on albums like THOSL and "Hejira." I guess I wasn't trying to debate whether or not a boxed set of commercially-available material *should* exist, or whether it would or would not hinder Joni's catalog sales (she could be right that it might - or, it could send people in search of the full albums from which certain songs were taken). I was thinking that it would be a fun project and a whole lot of JC to accept the concept of a "standard" boxed set as a given and then go from there. If the JMDL were compiling a 4-disc boxed set, knowing it would present Joni's career to many who only know her well for "Both Sides Now," "The Circle Game," "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Help Me," what would it contain? How would we pare it down to 320 minutes of music and be satisfied with the portrait it paints? Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: All eyes on Joni Joni said: "I never wanted to be a star. I didn't like entering a room with all eyes on me. I still don't like the attention of a birthday party. I prefer Christmas, which is everybody's holiday." This really struck a chord with me because as a kid I would leave my own birthday party to be alone. My mom would go all out and plan this big do and then she'd find me two hours into the party up in my room drawing dinosaurs in my sketchbook, or reading Batman comics in the closet, wishing it would all end. I hated being the center of attention and suffering from that "all eyes on you" syndrom. My birthday is two days after Christmas so by the 27th I'm usually ready to pack up my gifts and hibernate for a while. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:21:58 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: What would Joni do? > To see teenagers sitting around trying to solve the problems of the > world, I figured, all things considered, I'd rather be dancing. What would Joni do? Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing With the drag queens and the punks I've always loved that. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:37:11 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: trying Joni only Mark Thanks so much for not mentioning ME in your post. To me that means it must be you know what I am up to and therefore don't need the inuendo or gossip or whatever. Glad to know you are still BREATHING and we have similar topics in mind. And what the FECk is up with 6 ft. under?? And BTW Steve Dulson is a hippie for life now. Also Kakki is better than ever and gave me a couple of nights to remember for the rest of my life (not to mention Croz, Graham, Peev, James, Rogeer (Jim), et. Al.) Paz > Hello people! He's ba-ack! > > I've been listening to Travelogue alot in my car lately, getting > familiar with it and really falling in love with it. Some parts work > better than others but overall I think it hangs together pretty well. > It's a wonderful re-interpretation and expansion of some fantastic > songs. That's what I think anyway. > > Tonight I loaded 'Blue', 'Court and Spark', 'Hejira' and 'Wild Things > Run Fast' into my cd wallet. Travelogue is making me want to explore > Joni all over again! I got a headset for my phone at work, have > started going to the gym again and my shoulder and neck are much > better. I guess I couldn't stay away forever. So I decided to try > out Joni-only for awhile. If there are any interesting posts on the > following njc topics: > > movies (in particular 'The Hours', 'Chicago', 'Adaptation' or 'The Two > Towers') > Six Feet Under > Judy Collins > Billie Holiday > Laura Nyro > cats > dogs > the sex life of the JMDLer > Wally K's vital statistics > Steve Dulson's double life as an agent in HMSS > Kakki's never-ending close encounters with LA celebs > Bob Muller's backside > Ashara Stansfield - international woman of mystery > the Happily Ever After True Life Story of Mags and Brian > Colin's canine ashram > Steve Polifka's first world tour > Victor's latest cd > Big Walt's Tales of the City > Patrick Leader's Tales of THE City > the John Low Down Under Follies > the Lori Fye Annual Marathon > Jim L'Hommedieu, *the* Cowboy Junkies junky > Debra Shea's first exhibit at the Guggenheim > the publication of Mary Pitassi's new novel, 'A Life by the Lake' > Heather's first annual Judy-fest > Deb Messling winning the Nobel Prize > Phyliss & Bob Ward's grand opening of 'Pottery World in Bakersfield' > Scott Price winning the Pulitzer Prize for his seminal work 'Joni > Mitchell - A Philosophical Examination of a Cranky (But Great) > Poet/Musician/Singer/Composer/Artist' > Sherelle Smith's first concert at Carnegie Hall > or any juicy tidbits of gossip that anybody cares to pass on > > if you think of me and have the time, I would love it if you would > take the time to cc me or forward it to me. > > That's all for now. I'm glad to be back and look forward to seeing > you in my Inbox REAL SOON! > > Mark E. in Shoreline Which Is Just North of Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:54:40 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: trying Joni only and wall to wall ONLY if I hit the lottery. I tried my damnest to get the girl to book some JMDL people or New Orleans folks from the PazFest CD, but I guess she "HATED IT!~!!!!!!!!!) I really WOULD like to go! If you do hope you have a good time! Love Paz > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:Thanks for signing back > on, Mark...another reason for me to stick around, > which I was looking for. > >> Bob > > Oh no, Bob - were you thinking of jumping ship all > together? I switched to Joni only recently too. But > sometimes scan the non-joni-only archives - like a bad > habit I can't drop (I can think of worse habits, > though). I have been wondering if the nature of the > JMDL has been changing, since some longtime listers > are switching to joni-only - or is this just a natural > cycle of the list. > > Did you say you were thinking of coming up north for > Wall to Wall Joni. I'm thinking of going too. I'm > curious, is anybody else making the trip to the big > apple for the free show? > > Jenny > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 01:01:44 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni and cars Waiting for a car on a hill (who gives a feck what kind of car it is as long as...) Paz > First he bought a '57 Biscayne he put it in the ditch > He drunk up all the rest that son of a bitch > His blood's bad whiskey I was raised on robbery! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 02:10:29 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 22 1966: Chuck and Joni Mitchell perform at the Living End in Detroit More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=428 1985: At the Grammy Awards show, Joni and Dionne Warwick presented the final Grammy of the evening for Album of the Year to Lionel Richie for his mega-hit collection "Can't Slow Down." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Grammy85.html 1989: The Manhatten Transfer presented the Pop Female Grammy award, and sang a jazzy song called "She's the Most" as an intro to their reading of the nominations. When they read Joni's name, and she appeared on screen sitting in the audience, it was a surprise to many because she usually didn't show for these types of events. Although she was a sentimental favorite, the tailwind behind Tracy Chapman and her first single "Fast Car" was just too strong, and Joni went home awardless. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #59 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)