From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #58 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 21 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 058 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Blues [John Sprackland ] [none] [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Blues [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni's guitars ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Tlog mix [Steve Polifka ] Re: Tlog mix [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: T'log mix [Little Bird ] Bit about Joni in today's Inside Entertainment [sl.m@shaw.ca] Counting Crows - BYT [hell ] Re: sjc / Beatles / Clifford T [Freddyb4@aol.com] apology [anne@sandstrom.com] Joni on war ["Lori Fye" ] trying Joni only ["Mark or Travis" ] Today in History: February 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: February 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Joni on war [KJHSF@aol.com] Blues ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:30:03 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Blues More on the subject of the relative merits of different recordings of Blue and the CD v vinyl debate, I've just acquired a copy of the limited edition 180g audiophile vinyl version of Blue - wow! Its a gorgeous great slab of vinyl. The depth and warmth of the music is awesome - this is an album I must have heard 1000 times over the past 25 years but its like hearing it again for the first time. You can hear Joni breathing and I didn't realise before how long she sustains the quiet low dying notes of songs (such as the final 'sorrow' of Little Green...). And I've never even noticed the drumming on California before! I've only recently purchased the CD version but this beats it hands down, no question. Its not perfect - there are some glitches, which I think may be on the recording and shown up by the high quality reproduction. And, most oddly for a limited edition collectors pressing, it comes just in a single sleeve - no lyrics or details! Maybe they just assumed you'd already have the original sleeve to put it into... Can anyone tell me whether any other Joni albums were issued on audiophile vinyl - if I could replace my worn thin vinyl copies of HOSL and FTR I think I'd die happy! Incidentally, I thought I might be being extravagant owning three copies of Blue until I read last week's Guardian newspaper - in 'The Questionnaire' Adam Duritz of Counting Crows listed his greatest extravagance as 'owning NINE copies of Joni Mitchell's Blue'! Can anyone beat that?! John - -- John Sprackland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:00:39 -0500 From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: [none] Sarah wrote: << The Americans are planning to use so-called E-bombs. They emit a high energy pulse that destroys electronic equipment. They're going to be used to isolate Saddam's command and control centres from his army, and also to destroy the electronics he will need to launch his weapons of mass destruction. >> I assume this is a reference to the High Powered Microwave bomb. I recently read a piece about these in the guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,896930,00.html An extract from this article is below: << in the past few weeks, it [HPM bomb] has been sold to the American public as a weapon of mass non-destruction - the Mother Teresa of bombs. "What's good about it," the Pentagon says, "is that it doesn't harm people." Regurgitating PR releases, the American press has hailed HPM as a humane "wonder weapon". The only danger, apparently, is to those with pacemakers or on life-support systems. [...] Although not primarily an anti-personnel device, those who have been exposed to HPM report that its effect is agonising. The radiation penetrates below the skin, boiling nerve cells. It can blind. It induces uncontrollable panic (early research into HPM was as a crowd control agent). >> Still, at least it doesn't harm people, eh? Any side in a war will seek to minimise the more horrifying aspects of its arsenal, whether it's the UK, the USA or Iraq. Information about this is extremely closely guarded, for good reasons. Otherwise, the truth about "gulf war syndrome" would be known by now - and yet it isn't, save for dark mutterings about depleted uranium. Few people involved want to raise their heads above the parapets. I have spoken to a doctor who worked in a hospital in Saudi Arabia during the last Gulf War; the hospital dealt with a lot of casualties from the war, particularly those exposed to chemical/biological weapons. All the medical staff were sent on extra training to recognise and learn how to deal with injuries caused by exposure to such weapons. This doctor told me that the USA dropped napalm during that war, and that he had personally treated its victims. I had no reason to believe he was lying. It is pretty much accepted that reporting on the Gulf War was controlled to an unprecedented degree by the military; the "pool system" employed to give journalists access to any sort of news ensured that it was extremely difficult and dangerous for any journalist to deviate from the party line by attempting to strike out on their own and find out what was really happening. That is why there was such a striking lack of dead bodies (of any side) in news footage - this went to cement the myth of a war of few casualties. It only came out later that the reason so few Iraqi casualties had been found was that thousands of bodies had been buried by bulldozers along the road to Basra (some of them quite possibly still alive). All this to say something very simple: if people in the West were told about and shown the carnage wrought on civilians by war, fewer people would support it. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:54:07 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blues In a message dated 2/20/2003 3:30:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, john@sprackland.demon.co.uk writes: > Can anyone tell me whether any other Joni albums were issued on > audiophile vinyl - if I could replace my worn thin vinyl > copies of HOSL > and FTR I think I'd die happy! John, the only other audiophile vinyl I'm aware of is the Nautilus vinyl release of Court & Spark. I'm certain that there were no special audiophile releases of FTR/HOSL. Also in regards to Blue, there was an audiophile "gold" release of it on CD. I've not heard it, but my bro Brei said the same thing you did, that it sounded like the "veil had been lifted". Bob NP: RLJ, "Last Chance Texaco" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:27:16 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni's guitars > From: Dan Olson > Not to belabor the point, but the blond one at > http://www.anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/JM04-7.JPG appears to say "JONI > MITCHELL" instead (it's difficult to read - I missed it at first). > Yes it does and that's a custom feature, made for Joni. I was responding to another poster who thought the George Benson inlay on the other one meant it was George's personal guitar, which it is not. Regarding the blonde one, keep in mind the pickguard is disintegrating and has released acid fumes which have corroded the pickups. The pickguard must be thrown away as it will soon turn into dust and oxydize all metal parts if left on. And cleaning the corrosion on the pickups will also remove the gold plating. It's happened to me before. "Nothing can be done" Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:24:08 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Tlog mix Thanks Michael! I think I'm going to try this incarnation myself- nice set order, BTW. Steve At 05:55 PM 2/19/03 -0500, you wrote: >I must be the last person on this list to get Tlog. Like many others , I feel >that Tlog is very uneven and way too long. But since it does have its moments, >I decided it would be fun to make my own cut. I made a little 60-minute tape >of may favorites, that I call Tlog plus. The songs work well together and fit >nicely into the thirty-minute format of each side of the tape. Try this for a >Joni fix: > >Side A >Amelia >Refuge >You Dream >Borderline >Both Sides Now > >Side B >Dawntreader >Last Time >A Case Of You >Hejira >Love > >I must say Refuge has taken on new life for me in this latest incarnation. > >Michael in Quebec >NP : Peggy Lee - You're my Thrill > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:34:01 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tlog mix In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:24:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > I think I'm going to try this incarnation myself- nice set > order, BTW. It was an interesting mix, Michael...seems to me like you skimmed the cream of T'log off the top pretty well. I'm wondering how the orchestrations of BSN sound compared to those of T'log when they're played one after the other like that. It seems to me like they would have a different feel...wondering what you thought. Bob NP: Rickie Lee, "Skeletons" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: T'log mix Interesting selection, Michael, but you missed Be Cool - probably the album's most relevant and exciting track. I have to say you were more generous than I would have been. It's occurred to me recently that Travelogue really doesn't have that many tracks with lasting power. I only listen to Otis & Marlena, Amelia, Flat Tires, Be Cool and Hejira on a regular basis. The rest I never listen to. It doesn't have longevity, probably because it consists of songs that we've lived over and over again in past lives. And there is something a little bit pretentious about the project, a little bit bloated and overworked that becomes more apparent the more you listen to it. It takes itself a little too seriously. Travelogue is nearing the end of its cycle for me. It will soon be tucked away for a long, long nap. - -Andrew Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:37:22 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Bit about Joni in today's Inside Entertainment There's a nice photo of Joni, taken in Los Angeles 1970, in Canada's Inside Entertainment March edition, which came out today distributed with the National Post newspaper. It's just a small bit of blurb, although they've given her the whole page: "Pausing for a pensive moment in her woodsy Laurel Canyon home, Albert's Roberta Joan Anderson had, at age 26, already rechristened herself Joni, given birth to a daughter, married and split from fellow folk singer Chuck Mitchell and earned her first Grammy for the seminal Clouds. Arguably the most impressive and influential singer-songwriter Canada has ever produced, Mitchell has since won four more Grammys and was, just a year ago, voted a Lifetime Achievement Award. At the time, she told a Rolling Stone reporter she got her start imitating Judy Collins and Joan Baez "just to get money to smoke". Is she still smoking? Indeed. Still sizzling, too." Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Counting Crows - BYT The Counting Crows are currently racing up the NZ singles chart (from the Recording Industry Association of NZ website) - currently at No. 22 (No. 34 last week, No. 43 the week before) in their third week in the Top 50. I've managed to catch the last 5 seconds of the video at least three times, but have yet to see or hear the whole thing! I like what I've seen so far, though. Also this, from Ticketek (the NZ version of TicketMaster), promoting their March concert: From the title track "Hard Candy", through to "Miami", "If I Could Give All My Love", "Richard Manuel Is Dead" ? all are on par with the glory of what clicked with "August?..". A non-listed cover of Joni Mitchell?s "Big Yellow Taxi" featuring Vanessa Carlton is a hidden jewel, which is currently flooding New Zealand radio waves. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:01:32 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: sjc / Beatles / Clifford T Evening all (DODG ?) Earlier I visited a James Taylor site and there was a picture of Joni on stage with James 1969 ? nothing grand, you will probably have seen it. The BBC have announced that next month they will screen footage shot for the Beatles Anthology, Paul and Ringo got together at Georges place and recorded more than an hour of songs, mainly from the early years. Someone mentioned "The Whistle Test Years" Clifford T Ward was included, gentle music, from a gentle man. Look out for Kris Kristofferson and Rita Coolidge singing "Help me make it through the night" it's a bit special. Oh, this is "Up In The World". by Clifford T You've come Up In The World, And it's all to your credit. You made something of your life Like you always said you would. But what ever happened to the girl I used to know and all those halcyon days of love? You've come Up In The World, And it's such a shame. You made success of a dream, But it seems so empty now With your weak excuses and your Condescending ways and Your all-too-frequent nights alone. Liked your poem Lucy "All about the war and the bloody changes !" FREDDYB4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: apology I'm leaving off the NJC because I wanted to apologize to all for there being no NJC and no subject in a political post I made yesterday. (I hit Reply, but for some reason the subject line never got filled in.) And now for some Joni content. I saw a show about the American Music Awards a few weeks ago. Larry Klein was prominently featured, as he's been an integral part of producing the show for a number of years. I was wondering if what seems to be Joni's increased and more vocal criticism of the industry is in part due to seeing the adulation afforded other stars, especially surrounding this type of show. (Not that she's been exactly sheltered.) I'm not phrasing this well, but I'm wondering if others have observations about the Larry Klein/music award connection. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:45:38 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Joni on war "I think that we should turn the United States Marines loose on that little island south of Florida and stop that problem!" Let's inject a little JC into the ongoing NJC discussion about war. Given the above lyric, does anyone want to venture an opinion about what Joni thinks of the proposed war against Iraq? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:40:13 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: trying Joni only Hello people! He's ba-ack! I've been listening to Travelogue alot in my car lately, getting familiar with it and really falling in love with it. Some parts work better than others but overall I think it hangs together pretty well. It's a wonderful re-interpretation and expansion of some fantastic songs. That's what I think anyway. Tonight I loaded 'Blue', 'Court and Spark', 'Hejira' and 'Wild Things Run Fast' into my cd wallet. Travelogue is making me want to explore Joni all over again! I got a headset for my phone at work, have started going to the gym again and my shoulder and neck are much better. I guess I couldn't stay away forever. So I decided to try out Joni-only for awhile. If there are any interesting posts on the following njc topics: movies (in particular 'The Hours', 'Chicago', 'Adaptation' or 'The Two Towers') Six Feet Under Judy Collins Billie Holiday Laura Nyro cats dogs the sex life of the JMDLer Wally K's vital statistics Steve Dulson's double life as an agent in HMSS Kakki's never-ending close encounters with LA celebs Bob Muller's backside Ashara Stansfield - international woman of mystery the Happily Ever After True Life Story of Mags and Brian Colin's canine ashram Steve Polifka's first world tour Victor's latest cd Big Walt's Tales of the City Patrick Leader's Tales of THE City the John Low Down Under Follies the Lori Fye Annual Marathon Jim L'Hommedieu, *the* Cowboy Junkies junky Debra Shea's first exhibit at the Guggenheim the publication of Mary Pitassi's new novel, 'A Life by the Lake' Heather's first annual Judy-fest Deb Messling winning the Nobel Prize Phyliss & Bob Ward's grand opening of 'Pottery World in Bakersfield' Scott Price winning the Pulitzer Prize for his seminal work 'Joni Mitchell - A Philosophical Examination of a Cranky (But Great) Poet/Musician/Singer/Composer/Artist' Sherelle Smith's first concert at Carnegie Hall or any juicy tidbits of gossip that anybody cares to pass on if you think of me and have the time, I would love it if you would take the time to cc me or forward it to me. That's all for now. I'm glad to be back and look forward to seeing you in my Inbox REAL SOON! Mark E. in Shoreline Which Is Just North of Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:37:29 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 21 1966: Chuck and Joni Mitchell perform at the Chess Mate in Detroit. 2001: At the Grammy Awards, Carlos Santana and Joni Mitchell came onstage to announce the winner for Album of the Year. Patiently, they delivered the pre-fabricated patter leading up to opening the envelope. As Santana ripped the envelope, Mitchell spoke the inevitable, "And the winner for best album of the year is" when Santana suddenly chimed in, "'A Love Supreme' by John Coltrane!" They both smiled deeply. It turned out that Eminem really won the Best Album. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=725 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:37:29 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 21 On February 21 the following items were published: 1972: "A Heavy Weekend for..." - Detroit Free Press (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=953 1978: "The Queens of Rock" - US (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=391 1999: "Rocking and Renovating" - Los Angeles Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=909 2001: "Ballad of the Rude Canadian" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=613 2002: "Lifetime achievement Grammy for Joni Mitchell latest in long awards list" - Sympatico NewsExpress (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=939 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:44:36 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on war In a message dated 2/20/2003 11:46:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > does anyone want to venture an opinion about > what Joni thinks of the proposed war against Iraq? > > I remember her saying in an interview that, during the Vietnam War, the press lumped her in with the peace movement. But the truth of it was that rather than protesting, she was performing for the soldiers down in Camp Lejeune. She really felt a lot of compassion for the soldiers, and that was what moved her to action. This is where she met Killer Kyle from The Beat of Black Wings. It seems to me that she chronicles war as it affects people personally which is part of the beauty of her writing. I'm glad that she chooses to stand back from speaking publicly, because her ideas come out so brilliantly in her art, and she does that by relating some personal detail that somehow resonates universally and transcends the issues of the moment to address something greater. When Killer Kyle talks about his girl aborting their child, and how the powers-that-be pick wars for the soldiers to die in--she sums it up with "The old hate the young, that's the whole heartless thing." Wow! That's it in a nutshell! No matter what the political reasons, she blind-sides you with an observation like that!!! If asked about the impending war, I imagine hearing her, in that Canadian accent: "Oh, you know, the old are always eager to send the young off to slaughter, eh?" Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:45:53 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Blues I suspect you'll die happy anyway! You're lucky, John, in that the premium pressing of "Blue" was done by a UK company. Right! Let's get straight on to the question, then! I've seen some Quiex II pressings of "Wild Things Run Fast" that appear to be marketed by Reprise itself and I'll bet it's great. My LP of WTRF is in perfect shape but the next time I see the Quiex II version, I'll try it out. I have a really nice Quiex II pressing of Fleetwood Mac's "Mirage". In gold lettering, it says it's a promo copy and the company retains ownership, but then there's a sticker on it that brags, "QUIEX II Limited Edition Pressing." If it was a promo, given freely to stations, why would they describe it as "limited edition?" That's a "selling feature" so I think the Quiex II pressing are products for audiophiles, disguised as promos. No matter. My point is "Mirage" is every bit as quiet and smooth as my Nautilus edition of "Fleetwood Mac" and the MFSL edition of "Rumours". Nautilus (an audiophile company that folded) pressed "Court and Spark". You really need that one. That was widely available in the USA so you may have to import it into the UK. It has a rice paper sleeve and the original gatefold artwork is intact. The funny thing about it is that the premium vinyl is better than the multi-track recording of "Court and Spark". Now I love C&S but there are several places where you can hear things overloading. There are places where complex passages don't get dramatic, they just get congested and gritty. There was a 4 channel version of "Court and Spark" but that doesn't appeal to me too much. That's about the end of Joni's catalog on premium vinyl, except...... No more will I teach you today. Clear your mind, grasshopper. Lama PS, I have a second promo copy of "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" that I'll sell for $8 plus shipping. John Sprackland asked, >>>>> Can anyone tell me whether any other Joni albums were issued on audiophile vinyl - if I could replace my worn thin vinyl copies of HOSL and FTR I think I'd die happy! >>>>> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #58 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)