From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 18 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 055 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: this flight tonight and taylor ham [MGVal@aol.com] Joni mention on VOD ["kerry" ] Re: Joni mention on VOD [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Joni mention on VOD ["Heather" ] RE: Joni mention on VOD ["Heather" ] More on Joni's Guitars ["paul@anglesnet.com" ] Re: Joni mention on VOD [Gerald Notaro ] Re: More on Joni's Guitars [Dan Olson ] Re: Joni mention on VOD ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Joni's guitars ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: More on Joni's Guitars [Steve Polifka ] Re: Joni mention on VOD - Joni songs for a snowy day [Catherine McKay ] Joni songs for a snowy day ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: More on Joni's Guitars [Dan Olson ] Re: More on Joni's Guitars [Catherine McKay ] Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review [Catherine McKa] Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review [Murphycopy] Suggestion ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review [SCJoniGuy@] joni piano scores ["mike pritchard" ] Re: joni piano scores ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Joni's guitars [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: JOni's guitars [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni's guitars [Dan Olson ] Re: Joni's guitars/Now with 29 Skaters on Wolman Rink [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni's guitars [Scott Price ] RE: All I have to say about war... ["Heather" ] Re: Joni's guitars [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni's guitars [Dan Olson ] Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review [Michael Pa] Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review [Michael Pa] Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review [Murphycopy] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #122 ["ron" ] Today in History: February 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: February 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:34:00 -0500 From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: this flight tonight and taylor ham The Birthday Blizzard Gal writes: > Well I just wanted to say that I also took this semi-literal...one of Joni's talents is to mix metaphors and create these kind of double meanings where you can take what she says literally and it makes sense or you peel back the > shades of meaning and find many more MG: I'll take it one step further, (mostly because I'm procrastinating about the start of Moanday and the work week right now), and say that the next few lines always seem to solidify my firt image. "It wasn't the one that you gave to me, that night down south between the trailers..." In conjunction with my literal take on "falling star burn up..." I saw this as being Joni and David Crosby and her first album when he took on the role of "producer" but only to allow her to not be a victim of industry producers who might not "get" her. Crosby gave her a "star," aka "stardom." MG - posting NTHC right now. (No Taylor Ham Content) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:46:31 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni mention on VOD I was watching a re-run of Vicar of Dibley on PBS last night and there was a Joni reference. They had just had a funeral for one of the characters and Hugo was complimenting Geraldine on the service: Hugo: I particularly like that quote from Johnnie Morris. Geraldine: I think you'll find that was Joni Mitchell Hugo: That's right, "Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone." Anyone else a fan of this show? A certain lister from NZ has given me so many new addictions. First, French and Saunders and now Vicar! (Not to mention Crunchie bars, hokey pokey, and pineapple lumps!) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:56:55 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD Kerry writes: << I was watching a re-run of Vicar of Dibley on PBS last night and there was a Joni reference. >> This Joni reference (and well over a hundred others) is in the Joni in Fiction section of the JMDL site, Kerry! But keep those references coming because any day now Joni is going to stumble upon the site and call me to tell me how much she loves it! --Bob, waiting for his niece Kerry to arrive with her baby Nicholas so we can go get supplies for the Blizzard of '03! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:38:36 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni mention on VOD Oh yes!! The Vicar of Dibley is a good one! We have most of the shows on tape and I vaguely remember this Joni reference. Our local PBS stations have taken Vicar out of the Brit Com line up on Saturday nights. boo hoo. Have you seen French and Saunders "At the Movies"? What a riot! Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of kerry Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:47 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni mention on VOD I was watching a re-run of Vicar of Dibley on PBS last night and there was a Joni reference. They had just had a funeral for one of the characters and Hugo was complimenting Geraldine on the service: Hugo: I particularly like that quote from Johnnie Morris. Geraldine: I think you'll find that was Joni Mitchell Hugo: That's right, "Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone." Anyone else a fan of this show? A certain lister from NZ has given me so many new addictions. First, French and Saunders and now Vicar! (Not to mention Crunchie bars, hokey pokey, and pineapple lumps!) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:42:17 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni mention on VOD Bob writes: --Bob, waiting for his niece Kerry to arrive with her baby Nicholas so we can go get supplies for the Blizzard of '03! ________________________________ We have 7" of snow here in southern CT and this blizzard is far from over! Nothing to do but throw another log on the fire. Maybe I'll bake a pie. Let's see ... what Joni CD shall I put on to cook by? Any suggestions? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:49:32 -0800 From: "paul@anglesnet.com" Subject: More on Joni's Guitars Greetings all: In the eBay post for Joni Mitchell's Ibanez George Benson, I neglected the serial numbers. They are B825576 for the body and 4589 for the head. In doing some research, I find that the "B" indicates that it was manufactured in February and the "82" is 1982. So it definitely was *not* used to record "Hejira", although she did use it on tour. I also wanted to show you a close-up of one of the others that we'll be selling. http://www.anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/JM04-7.JPG look closely between the frets. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul D. Angles | Marketing & Strategy paul@anglesnet.com | 310-704-9448 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:55:18 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD Joni's not very domestic. Better put on Judy Collins" Cook With Honey. Jerry Heather wrote: > Bob writes: > > --Bob, waiting for his niece Kerry to arrive with her baby Nicholas so > we > can go get supplies for the Blizzard of '03! > ________________________________ > > We have 7" of snow here in southern CT and this blizzard is far from over! > Nothing to do but throw another log on the fire. Maybe I'll bake a pie. > Let's see ... what Joni CD shall I put on to cook by? Any suggestions? > > Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:19:18 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars I see nothing unusual BETWEEN THE FRETS. Are you suggesting that we look closely AT THE PICKUPS (which appear to be incredibly corroded)? Incidentally, THIS one DOES look like the one(s) she used on S&L, and looks like it got a lot more use than the sunburst one currently on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444). At 08:49 AM 2/17/2003 -0800, you wrote: >I also wanted to show you a close-up of one of the others that we'll be >selling. >http://www.anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/JM04-7.JPG >look closely between the frets. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Paul D. Angles | Marketing & Strategy >paul@anglesnet.com | 310-704-9448 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:16:05 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD "Joni's not very domestic. " but she has been known to kick domestics -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:50:47 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni's guitars I've been investigating this matter and found the following: * The Ibanez currently on ebay is an 82, so it couldn't have been the S&L one. * Westwood Music is going to auction on ebay several more of Joni's guitars (Ibanez George Benson + other models) in the coming month, one after the other. So several of us may have a chance at this. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:43:06 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars Apparently you did not look close enough! ;-) it says JONI MITCHELL CLEARLY ON A METAL PLATE... sTEVE At 10:19 AM 2/17/03 -0700, you wrote: >I see nothing unusual BETWEEN THE FRETS. Are you suggesting that we look >closely AT THE PICKUPS (which appear to be incredibly >corroded)? Incidentally, THIS one DOES look like the one(s) she used on >S&L, and looks like it got a lot more use than the sunburst one currently >on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444). > >At 08:49 AM 2/17/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >>I also wanted to show you a close-up of one of the others that we'll be >>selling. >>http://www.anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/JM04-7.JPG >>look closely between the frets. >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Paul D. Angles | Marketing & Strategy >>paul@anglesnet.com | 310-704-9448 > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni mention on VOD - Joni songs for a snowy day --- Gerald Notaro wrote: > Joni's not very domestic. Better put on Judy > Collins" Cook With Honey. > Heather wrote: > > We have 7" of snow here in southern CT and this > blizzard is far from over! > > Nothing to do but throw another log on the fire. > Maybe I'll bake a pie. > > Let's see ... what Joni CD shall I put on to cook > by? Any suggestions? MMMMmmm, pie... failing domesticity, I think you should do Joni weather songs, so you're going to have to choose from a number of albums - there's lots of weather references but here's a few for ya: - - Come in from the cold - - Paprika Plains (such sky-oriented people) - - Rainy night house - - Little green (remember those crocuses? they're coming back one of these days!) - - River (to skate away on) - - Let the wind carry me (or maybe not!) - - The hissing of summer lawns (soon we'll be bitching about how hot it is) - - Hejira (snow gathers like bolts of lace; white flags of winter chimneys waving truce) - - Dreamland (we can all dream, can't we?) - - The wolf that lives in Lindsey (for its howls of wolves and wind) - - My secret place (for its shelter from the storm) - - Moon at the window (because even though you can't see it, it's still there) - - Night ride home (to remember crickets) - - Sunny Sunday (unlike snowy Monday) - - Urge for going (by golly, yes!) - - Stormy weather - - Winter lady (if you have it) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:07:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars --- Dan Olson wrote: > I see nothing unusual BETWEEN THE FRETS. Are you > suggesting that we look > closely AT THE PICKUPS (which appear to be > incredibly > corroded)? Incidentally, THIS one DOES look like > the one(s) she used on > S&L, and looks like it got a lot more use than the > sunburst one currently > on ebay > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444). There is something between the frets but it's hard to view on the picture as posted since you can't get in close enough. I had to save it as on my PC and then try to get a close-up. Between the top frets (top meaning on the body of the guitar itself), I think it says "Joni Mitchell" (carved into mother-of-pearl or shell). Between a number of the others, there is what looks like shell or mother-of-pearl or something like that) but I can't figure out whether it's supposed to be a design of some kind. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:15:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Joni songs for a snowy day definitely hejira! it is such a wintry album. i am furious! i'll arrive in boston on thursday and the forecast says highs in the mid-30's!!! that's outrageous. i was expecting a subzero morning and it turns out that it will be practically a spring day. the only dramatic thing weatherwise is a coastal flood watch for eastern MA. how dull! wallyK, who would give anything to be at heather's now, snowed in and eating pie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:29:11 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars Yes, by golly, I see it now. All of the other inlays are standard for the guitar; they are an indication of the fret location (called "fret markers"). A similar "name tag" is even more visible in this photo from the one currently on ebay (http://anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/Images/JM02-8.JPG), but it says "George Benson" instead of "Joni Mitchell". At 01:07 PM 2/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >... Between the top frets (top >meaning on the body of the guitar itself), I think it >says "Joni Mitchell" (carved into mother-of-pearl or >shell). Between a number of the others, there is what >looks like shell or mother-of-pearl or something like >that) but I can't figure out whether it's supposed to >be a design of some kind. > >===== >Catherine >Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:31:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More on Joni's Guitars --- Dan Olson wrote: > Yes, A similar "name tag" is even more > visible in this photo from > the one currently on ebay > (http://anglesnet.com/jonimitchell02/Images/JM02-8.JPG), > but it says > "George Benson" instead of "Joni Mitchell". Hmm, wonder how Joni got hold of George Benson's guitar. ;) I wonder if Joni will ever get her own Joni-Mitchell-signature guitar like so many other artists have, that might be a little more affordable for the average schmo like me who couldn't possibly hope to compete in some kind of auction-thingy for something that - Joni - Mitchell - actually - TOUCHED!!! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review I dont as a rule care for Joni covers. At least, I thought I didnt. I suppose I could be prejudiced. No one, I thought, could possibly sing Joni Mitchell the way Joni Mitchell herself could do. So, what about if someone sang Joni Mitchell their own way? Pazfest, the two-CD set of live all-Joni music recorded at the Howlin Wolf, New Orleans May 28, 2000, is an eclectic collection of Joni Mitchell music sung and played many different ways. As always with such things, I have my own personal favourites, the ones that stand out for me in some way or another. The first CD starts out with John Parkers take on I think I understand (you cant go wrong with that, in my book anyway, but add to it a voice like John Parkers, and maybe you will understand!) followed by his version of Both Sides Now. You may have heard BSN sung by a multitude of different voices from the sublime to the ridiculous, but I can guarantee youll be singing along with John and having a good time while youre at it. The duo of Danzig and Wooley (Im sure they do have first names) performs The Priest and Trouble Child using some amazing-sounding stringed instrument (I cant figure out exactly what instrument that is, but whatever it is, it sure sounds nice!) You may think if you hear yet another version of Big Yellow Taxi, youll scream, but John Rankin does a very fun, very snappy, all-instrumental version here and makes it brand new again. On to Disc 2 and some of my very favourites - Kim Prevost and Bill Solley with a cool and jazzy version of Woodstock, followed by Both sides now. Kims version of Woodstock is most likely my favourite in the whole 2-disc set. Following that are two by the Denise Marie Band, Blue Motel Room and Furry sings the blues. Denises vocals on Blue Motel Room are right up at the top of my favourites list. Following is a set by the jmdls own Michael Paz, with his smooth and dreamy vocals on Amelia and Hejira, with an amazing solo in between the two by Beth Patterson, playing one of those weird stringed instruments (could be a banjo, but it sounds fuller than a banjo). Whatever it is, its lovely. The second CD ends with a set by Bryan Thomas and his band. Now, if youve heard Bryans singing and guitar playing on his own two CDs, Ones and Zeroes and Radio Plastic Jennifer, you might understand my saying that Bryan has one of those voices that makes you think, Whoa, this guys voice is way too naked! Put some clothes on it or something! If you took bits of Hendrix and Prince and Jeff Buckley and you mixed them all up in some kind of molecule munching machine and then put them all back together into one person, you might end up with a Bryan Thomas (or maybe not.) Bryans guitar is amazing and he seems to have a lot of fun with words. (In Black Crow he sings, Theres a crow flying hes black as a highway, hes as black as me; and later, I took a plane to a highway, then I drove to a pontoon plane. Took a plane to a taxi - big yellow taxi, just like this train. If you couldnt be in New Orleans on May 28, 2000, what would be the next best thing? The Pazfest CD of course. And in acquiring for yourself and your friends a copy of this excellent collection of live music, you will also be helping out a number of worthy causes, including jmdl.com, jonimitchell.com and the Ruth Paz Foundation, a foundation that helps children in Honduras receive medical treatment they would not otherwise receive. Information on where and how to order Pazfest were recently posted by Michael Paz, but you can also find it at www.jmdl.com - right on the first page. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:28:51 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review Catherine writes: << I don t as a rule care for Joni covers. >> Why not just take out a gun and kill poor Bob Muller . . . (Oh yeah, I forgot that Canadians don't have guns!) << Pazfest, the two-CD set of live all-Joni music recorded at the Howlin Wolf, New Orleans May 28, 2000, is an eclectic collection of Joni Mitchell music sung and played many different ways. As always with such things, I have my own personal favourites, the ones that stand out for me in some way or another. >> I have said it before, BUY THIS. It truly is wonderful. And I hear that for an extra 50 cents per 2-CD package, Michael will PERSONALLY LICK YOUR PURCHASE. Also, if you have friends who don't like Joni (and who doesn't?) they may very well like her music and words as performed by some of these great performers. And best of all, as Catherine reminds us . . . << in acquiring for yourself and your friends a copy of this excellent collection of live music, you will also be helping out a number of worthy causes, including jmdl.com, jonimitchell.com and the Ruth Paz Foundation, a foundation that helps children in Honduras receive medical treatment they would not otherwise receive. Information on where and how to order Pazfest were recently posted by Michael Paz, but you can also find it at www.jmdl.com - right on the first page. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:33:51 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Suggestion Could the contents possibly be done in HTML so one could click to the particular letter sent? thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:55:06 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review In a message dated 2/17/2003 4:28:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > Why not just take out a gun and kill poor Bob Muller . . . No harm, no foul...believe me, by now I'm used to the GIANT wave of JMDL apathy that cloaks my project like a Dorothy Lamour sarong. No problem, to each their own & I love my peculiar hobby...matter of fact I'm on pins & needles waiting for Feb 25 when New Yorker Melissa Errico releases her new CD with a Night Ride Home cover! And speaking of which, I had previously mentioned the Claire Martin cover of Blue Motel Room, which I have since received and listened to, several times. Very interesting version...firstly, it's a duet with Ian Shaw (who's also given us covers of This Flight Tonight, Furry Sings The Blues and Goodbye Pork Pie Hat), and it's all acapella with a Take 6-style backing chorus. As the track runs under 2 minutes, they only do a handful of the lyrics...they leave out the verse with the pachyderms and also the one where Joni name-checks herself. As for Pazfest? It's f*cking fantastic...the incredible Pink Floyd meets Led Zeppelin take on Hejira with Brian Stoltz throwing in solo after solo is one of the most mind-blowing things I heard all year. And Paz is working on getting the rest of that unforgettable night to us as well, so that's cool. Bob NP: Billy Joel, "The Great Wall of China" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:08:23 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: joni piano scores Can anybody suggest where I can find piano music for a Joni song, and which songs you would recommend for a complete beginner; you know, someone who thinks the notes on the left-hand side of the keyboard begin with Q, W and E and the right-hand ones end I, O and P. Awaiting your suggestions in snowy barcelona, Mike NP Frere Jacques (badly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:20:07 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: joni piano scores Mike, jmdl.com has the sheet music to 'Blue' and 'For Free'. Lots of detail but doesn't look easy though! I can't really play the piano so I took THOSL sheet music book I have around to a friend of mine and he found 'Shades Of Scarlet Conquering' the most manageable and it sounded lovely! Good luck. "Beauty and madness to be praised because it is not easy to be brave" STEVE T. NP: 'Tom Cat Goodby' by Laura Nyro - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike pritchard" To: "list" Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: joni piano scores > Can anybody suggest where I can find piano music for a Joni song, and which > songs you would recommend for a complete beginner; you know, someone who > thinks the notes on the left-hand side of the keyboard begin with Q, W and E > and the right-hand ones end I, O and P. Awaiting your suggestions in snowy > barcelona, > Mike > NP Frere Jacques (badly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:33:18 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's guitars Dan wrote: > I saw her in Minneapolis on the S&L tour, and as I recall, she had 3? > identical blond colored fat hollow-body guitars that were very similar (if > not identical) to the one(s) I'd seen Pat Metheny play numerous times > (including this concert). The guitar on ebay is sunburst (but otherwise > similar). Okay, I located my incredibly bad dub of this video, and sure > enough, she is playing 2? different blond guitars (at least one is an > Ibanez, which is what the one on ebay is). Got that? So she had, by my > reckoning, at least four similar guitars, maybe many more. Did she have > one for every one of her distinct tunings? > Well, my commercial copy of the "S&L" video shows her using blond guitars all the way up to "Black Crow", where she uses a sunburst version. I could not quickly discern how many such blond guitars there were. However, Metheny's guitar was definitely a Gibson, and hers were Ibanez. (I believe I recall that this video was culled from more than one performance on the tour in California). After that, I believe that the sunburst made additional appearances in the video, and there are scenes showing the transfer to her of one guitar to another (via one of her "roadies", I gather, who I assume must have tuned it). I had not thought of the possibility of one guitar for each tuning. Hmmm. That would take some of the chance (of a poor re-tuning job) out of it. Does anyone know if these (Ibanez Benson's) were relatively inexpensive guitars ? They sounded fine with Joni playing them, but perhaps she just liked them because of the fretboard, or their weight, or the semiacoustic wide body sound ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:41:02 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JOni's guitars From the site (that I revisited via Dan's link) came the following correction. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444 IMPORTANT CORRECTION The serial numbers for this instrument are B825576 for the body and 4589 for the head stock. In doing some research, I find that the "B" indicates that it was manufactured in February and the "82" is 1982. So it definitely was not used to record "Hejira", although she did use it on tour. That means that it definitely was not used in the S&L video, either. What an odd misrepresentation to make by the seller (about Hejira). Yes, he corrected it, but one's credibility is bound to suffer from that type of gaffe. Are we sure it is one of Joni's at all ? Yeah, probably. But I would want more confirmation than this guy correcting an error that was bound to be caught sooner rather than later anyway. I assume he is now talking about the Refuge of the Roads tour. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:14:39 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Joni's guitars A quick google search located the following: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/search/detail/base_pid/519921/sourceid=00393188815590112107, brand new for $2169; certainly not relatively inexpensive, in fact, quite expensive (certainly the same order of magnitude as fat Gibsons. Note that it doesn't have the "name tag". I found it interesting that Ibanez has a "Metheny" model as well (though he clearly played a Gibson on S&L); Metheny got more famous as a guitarist after playing with Joni. Too bad they didn't honor Joni with a signature model (maybe they tried?). Do you suppose that with Joni's new electronic guitar that handles of her tuning dilemnas, she has simply tired of all of these old analog guitars, and just wants to get rid of them? At 05:33 PM 2/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know if these (Ibanez Benson's) were relatively inexpensive >guitars ? They sounded fine with Joni playing them, but perhaps she just >liked them because of the fretboard, or their weight, or the semiacoustic >wide body sound ? > >Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:21:37 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni's guitars/Now with 29 Skaters on Wolman Rink I have neveer seen this guitar either in fotos or on video. I am sure she had a deal with ibanez (who Metheny had a deal with as well) and this could just be ones she had as back ups. It lowers the value a lot for me. One of those Blondes would be really cool though. She always had multiple guitars for tunings in the later years. I saw her at a Gavin convention here in New Orleans and she had multiple acoustics with a tech tuning for her. Best Paz > I saw her in Minneapolis on the S&L tour, and as I recall, she had 3? > identical blond colored fat hollow-body guitars that were very similar (if > not identical) to the one(s) I'd seen Pat Metheny play numerous times > (including this concert). The guitar on ebay is sunburst (but otherwise > similar). Okay, I located my incredibly bad dub of this video, and sure > enough, she is playing 2? different blond guitars (at least one is an > Ibanez, which is what the one on ebay is). Got that? So she had, by my > reckoning, at least four similar guitars, maybe many more. Did she have > one for every one of her distinct tunings? Did she choose to only play > blond ones while touring with Metheny, so that all the guitars on stage > (not including Pastorius' bass) would match? (Incidentally, Metheny's > guitar was a Gibson, and simpler than Joni's electronically, a true "jazz > guitar".) I encourage everyone to go to this site and look at the amazing > pictures http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2508437444; I, > for one, will keenly watch the bidding over the next week or so. > > > > At 01:13 PM 2/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >> I have never bought anything on e-bay, and am not a collector. But this >> guitar has to be pretty much way up there on a JM fan/collector's wish list. >> Is it one of the guitars that was used in the S&L video ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:13:33 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni mention on VOD hey kerry: i've only seen 'vicar' a few times. my lister friend heather and her husband fred are really into britcoms, and once when i visited them, fred had taped several hours on bbc america while we heard the remarkable dianne reeves on the new haven green. then we went home and watched, and the 'vicar' episode in particular was brilliant. the best experience i ever had watching a britcom was when i convinced my dad and stepmom to watch an episode of 'keeping up appearances'. they loved the pretensions of hyacinth bucket (that's pronounced 'bouquet'). i don't have a lot of shared pleasures with my dad, so that was fun. patrick np - his name is alive - stars on e.s.p. >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of kerry >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:47 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Joni mention on VOD > > >I was watching a re-run of Vicar of Dibley on PBS last night and >there was a >Joni reference. They had just had a funeral for one of the characters and >Hugo was complimenting Geraldine on the service: > >Hugo: I particularly like that quote from Johnnie Morris. >Geraldine: I think you'll find that was Joni Mitchell >Hugo: That's right, "Don't it always seem to go, you don't know >what you've >got till it's gone." > >Anyone else a fan of this show? A certain lister from NZ has given me so >many new addictions. First, French and Saunders and now Vicar! (Not to >mention Crunchie bars, hokey pokey, and pineapple lumps!) > >Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:27:56 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni's guitars At 05:14 PM 2/17/2003 -0700, Dan Olson wrote: >Metheny got more famous as a guitarist after playing with Joni. Too bad >they didn't honor Joni with a signature model (maybe they tried?). I doubt they "tried." While Joni is an innovative guitar player, signature models tend more toward virtuoso types...Metheny certainly qualifies there. >Do you suppose that with Joni's new electronic guitar that handles of her >tuning dilemnas, she has simply tired of all of these old analog guitars, >and just wants to get rid of them? I've been wondering about this too. I just can't imagine "liquidating" old equipment like that with its huge sentimental value, unless one was strapped for cash or storage space, but then, Joni never did much care to dwell on past albums, always preferring to discuss and promote the "latest project." Maybe she has decided she'll never play the older guitars any more and is cleaning house. I also wonder if she is donating part or most or all of the proceeds from these sales to Mr. Walecki, who has had a few health problems of late. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:36:08 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: All I have to say about war... i've been humming that song all day, steve. i ended up making a cinnamon and almond coffee cake drizzled with icing today. we have 2 feet of snow here AND IT'S STILL SNOWING!!!! Ugh! Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Toogood Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:38 PM To: Joni List Subject: NJC: All I have to say about war... "I got fury in my soul fury's gonna take me to the glory goal in my mind I can't study war no more" Laura Nyro 1969 Okay so I didn't write it but I think it sums up what a lot of people are feeling right now. STEVE T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:14:10 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's guitars Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > I had not thought of the possibility of one guitar for each tuning. Hmmm. > That would take some of the chance (of a poor re-tuning job) out of it. That practice goes way back, probably back to the moment she could afford to do it. She used to be surrounded by a circle of Martins on stage. One big reason for doing this (besides the sheer difficulty of accurately tuning between songs, and the time it takes to do it) is that when you radically retune, the strings and the neck have a 'memory' and tend to go back out of tune a few times before they settle in. Dan Olson wrote: > Note that > it doesn't have the "name tag". If you are talking about the ebay sunburst, it does appear to have her name inlaid in the last fret marker as the blond one does. They don't show a close up, but that's sure what it looks like. > Do you suppose that with Joni's new electronic guitar that handles of her > tuning dilemnas, she has simply tired of all of these old analog guitars, > and just wants to get rid of them? She has said that she switched to the under 3 lb Parker Fly guitars because she wasn't able to carry around the heavier guitars. Even though the Ibanez is a hollowbody, it is probably a bit heavy for her, as well as kind of large and thick for a person of Joni's size. Also, I'm guessing she doesn't play all that much guitar these days, and is 'thinning out the herd'. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:28:58 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Joni's guitars Yes, and also, I bet her guitar string SETS were carefully selected based on her tunings; strings come in all different gauges: .009, .010, .011., .012, .......... up to .06 and beyond; you want them all to have the same tension. At 05:14 PM 2/17/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > > I had not thought of the possibility of one guitar for each tuning. Hmmm. > > That would take some of the chance (of a poor re-tuning job) out of it. > >That practice goes way back, probably back to the moment she >could afford to do it. She used to be surrounded by a circle of >Martins on stage. One big reason for doing this (besides the sheer >difficulty of accurately tuning between songs, and the time it takes >to do it) is that when you radically retune, the strings and the neck >have a 'memory' and tend to go back out of tune a few times before >they settle in. > >Dan Olson wrote: > > > Note that > > it doesn't have the "name tag". > >If you are talking about the ebay sunburst, it does appear to have >her name inlaid in the last fret marker as the blond one does. They >don't show a close up, but that's sure what it looks like. > > > Do you suppose that with Joni's new electronic guitar that handles of her > > tuning dilemnas, she has simply tired of all of these old analog guitars, > > and just wants to get rid of them? > >She has said that she switched to the under 3 lb Parker Fly guitars >because she wasn't able to carry around the heavier guitars. Even >though the Ibanez is a hollowbody, it is probably a bit heavy for her, >as well as kind of large and thick for a person of Joni's size. Also, >I'm guessing she doesn't play all that much guitar these days, and >is 'thinning out the herd'. >RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:25:13 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review Smurph??? Have I told you lately that I LOVE you? Yer boy Paz > Catherine writes: > > << I don t as a rule care for Joni covers. >> > > Why not just take out a gun and kill poor Bob Muller . . . (Oh yeah, I > forgot that Canadians don't have guns!) > > << Pazfest, the two-CD set of live all-Joni music > recorded at the Howlin Wolf, New Orleans May 28, > 2000, is an eclectic collection of Joni Mitchell music > sung and played many different ways. As always with > such things, I have my own personal favourites, the > ones that stand out for me in some way or another. >> > > I have said it before, BUY THIS. It truly is wonderful. And I hear that for > an extra 50 cents per 2-CD package, Michael will PERSONALLY LICK YOUR > PURCHASE. > > Also, if you have friends who don't like Joni (and who doesn't?) they may > very well like her music and words as performed by some of these great > performers. > > And best of all, as Catherine reminds us . . . > > << in acquiring for yourself and your friends > a copy of this excellent collection of live music, you > will also be helping out a number of worthy causes, > including jmdl.com, jonimitchell.com and the Ruth Paz > Foundation, a foundation that helps children in > Honduras receive medical treatment they would not > otherwise receive. Information on where and how to > order Pazfest were recently posted by Michael Paz, but > you can also find it at www.jmdl.com - right on the > first page. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:27:22 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review Another huge thanks to my boy Bob who is the King of covers bar none (no pun..) We had a great night tonight and talked about you. Hope your ears burned! Love Paz > In a message dated 2/17/2003 4:28:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy > writes: > >> Why not just take out a gun and kill poor Bob Muller . . . > > No harm, no foul...believe me, by now I'm used to the GIANT wave of JMDL > apathy that cloaks my project like a Dorothy Lamour sarong. No problem, to > each their own & I love my peculiar hobby...matter of fact I'm on pins & > needles waiting for Feb 25 when New Yorker Melissa Errico releases her new CD > with a Night Ride Home cover! > > And speaking of which, I had previously mentioned the Claire Martin cover of > Blue Motel Room, which I have since received and listened to, several times. > Very interesting version...firstly, it's a duet with Ian Shaw (who's also > given us covers of This Flight Tonight, Furry Sings The Blues and Goodbye Pork > Pie Hat), and it's all acapella with a Take 6-style backing chorus. As the > track runs under 2 minutes, they only do a handful of the lyrics...they leave > out the verse with the pachyderms and also the one where Joni name-checks > herself. > > As for Pazfest? It's f*cking fantastic...the incredible Pink Floyd meets Led > Zeppelin take on Hejira with Brian Stoltz throwing in solo after solo is one > of the most mind-blowing things I heard all year. > > And Paz is working on getting the rest of that unforgettable night to us as > well, so that's cool. > > Bob > > NP: Billy Joel, "The Great Wall of China" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:26:44 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pazfest - a New Orleans tribute to Joni Mitchell - review Paz writes: << Have I told you lately that I LOVE you? >> No, not since that night up north between the trailers at Jonifest. Love you too, Michael. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:24:01 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #122 hi >>>>laurent wrote >>>> A 2001 release I just discovered is: Blind Boys of Alabama: The Spirit of the Century. >>>bob replied >>>I've been on the verge of getting this one for awhile, Laurent. Thanks for pushing me off the fence - I've only read GREAT things about it. & i say: dont even hesitate to get this one. it is amazing!!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 02:01:34 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 18 1966: Chuck and Joni Mitchell perform at the Chess Mate in Detroit. 1996: Joni received two Grammy Awards for Best Pop Album and Best Artwork & Packaging for Turbulent Indigo. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 02:01:34 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 18 On February 18 the following items were published: 1996: "Singer-songwriter gets no respect in rock history" - Denver Post (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=829 1999: "Joni Mitchell" - Rolling Stone (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1034 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #55 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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