From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #52 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 15 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 052 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni & Valentine's Day ["Tamsin Lucas" ] urgent plea ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Today in History: February 14 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni for delivery [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni for delivery [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Re: SJC Our Musical tastes [Freddyb4@aol.com] Re: Joni for delivery ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: How does Joni's music affect you? ["Stephen Toogood" ] Today in History: February 15 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #111 - new Joni fans [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #113 - Cincinnati show [BRYAN8847@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:55:59 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Joni & Valentine's Day Happy Valentines/Commercialised spending day everyone. In my beloved's card I wrote: "But you're bound to lose if you let the blues get you scared to feel And I feel like I'm just being born Like a shiny light breaking in a storm There are so many reasons why I love him" Though it's made me feel a little melancholic. He's not the biggest Joni fan but has been known to request "the parking lot song" ;-) from time to time... _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:46:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: urgent plea i am so sorry to use joni only bandwidth for this, but I HAVE JUST LOST MY COMPLETE ADDRESS BOOK, and this on the verge of my trip to the us!!! this is a major disaster and i beg you to forgive my not using the appropriate tag for this message. so would everybody, SIMPLY EVERYBODY please send me a blank message to wallykai@fibertel.com.ar and to wallykai@yahoo.com so that i can have your addresses again? i also need a message from the northeast list. it will take you only a few seconds and you would help me enormously. as it is, i can remember only my own address at the moment, and i took advantage of a message from tamsin to recover the jmdl address. please help me out!!!!! love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:57:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Today in History: February 14 --- ljirvin@jmdl.com wrote: > 1967: Joni performs at the "Riverboat" coffeehouse > in Toronto. > More info: > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=602 > ---- > For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, > consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html How journalism has changed, quoting from this article, emphasis mine: "In her return date at Toronto's Riverboat coffeehouse following a successful November booking, she displays an ever ripening voice, and *is an eyeful in a tight-fitting mini silver lami dress, and sporting flaxen hair that falls below her shoulders."* ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:17:19 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni for delivery From: Emily Gray Tedrowe > but i do appreciate all the good advice and suggestions. > > (and the best wishes for our baby! a tiny piece of JC: i packed up the > CDs we'll be bringing to the hospital for labor and delivery, and chose > "blue" and "for the roses" as my joni selections...ones that are near > and dear and sweet and comforting to me.) > If I may relay a small bit of advice, our ob-gyn told us to bring music with a beat to help the pushing and speed up labor. It worked and it went fast each time: Hence my 1st daughter was born with ZZ Top, and the second one with Mingus,Mingus,Mingus (that's the name of the album). May I suggest you take DED instead of Blue and FTR for the occasion. Best wishes Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:25:48 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni for delivery In a message dated 2/14/2003 9:17:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > May I suggest you take DED instead of Blue and FTR for the > occasion. Don't do it, Emily! You'll have "flies in your baby's eyes"! :~) Bob, who played mostly Springsteen in the delivery room for his Mrs. NP: Bevis Frond, "You Never Give Me Your Money" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:43:45 -0500 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: Re: Joni for delivery ya'll are cracking me up. i'm going to tell courtney tonight as a joke that we'll be playing zz top during labor, just to check his response!! interestingly, laurent, our OB told us the exact opposite thing (doctors!): she emphasizes relaxing during labor, so suggested calming music... hence, "blue" and "FTR" for me. - -- emily ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:55:43 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: SJC Our Musical tastes OUR MUSICAL TASTES This is not the most accurate result of your musical tastes, but itbs near enough. It was taken for granted that Joni would top the list, so some didnbt include her in their list, so amongst us, if not the World at large, she stands alone !!! These are the other artists that formed our top10 or 12. 1. James Taylor - is a clear No 1 mentioned by 75% of us 2. A group of artists almost equal at No2 Ricky Lee Jones Crosby Stills, Nash and Young, we also like them as solo artists. Joan Armatrading, pleased by this because I didnbt include her (shame !!) Janis Ian, ahead of Carole King, and Tom Waits. 3. Again this group were all about equal 3rd Beatles Van Morrison - sorry I still canbt take to him Pet shop Boys Fleetwood Mac Carole King Patsy Cline and * The Crooners - you name bem someone likes bem *Hall and Oats - These may have been headed for the hall of shame, but have been saved by your mentions. Tastes range from Bjork to Dinah Washington, Spingsteen to the Pretenders, we share many of the "Take to the grave" artists Monkees, Abba, Osmonds, Bee Gees, - "Last train to Clarksville." I bought the LP, 32/6 in old money, "Dancing Queen" admit it, you love it, "Crazy Horses" well I thought Marie was cute, "Paper Woses" so what !! Then there were two, this song is good by any ones standards Maurice Gibb R.I.P. I started a joke, which started the whole World crying. But I couldnbt see, that the joke was on me, I started to cry, which started the whole World laughing, Oh if Ibd only seen, that the joke was on me. I looked at the skies, running my hands over my eyes, And I fell out of bed, hurting my head on things that I said, Till I finally died, which started the whole World living, Oh if Ibd only seen, that the joke was on me. Thatbs it Fred Anyone ever see John Denver ? or know "The Box" from "Poems Prayers and Promises?" so much talk about War. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:10:32 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Joni for delivery > interestingly, laurent, our OB told us the exact opposite thing (doctors!): > she emphasizes relaxing during labor, so suggested calming music... > hence, "blue" and "FTR" for me. > > -- emily > I guess it depends on your personality, although I don't understand why you would need to relax during the actual labor unless you want it to last for 24 hours. Afterwards for sure, but not during. Tell you what, why don't you bring both just in case and please do tell us afterwards which one worked for you. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:59:43 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: How does Joni's music affect you? Joni Poem Joni's music moves me Makes me think Inspires me And forms pictures in my mind in colour ink Summer lawns or shooting stars Superman balloons and men from Mars She's been to Staten Island, Paris and L.A. Said "Life is for learning" The record industry is for burning And is now calling it a day You know it's a crying shame And I hope you return some day But I guess you've just been pushed too far Oh well if anybody wants me I'll be in the bar STEVE T - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: How does Joni's music affect you? > I've been wondering about why people listen to Joni,specifically how > does Joni's music affect you on an intellectual,emotional,physical,and > spiritual level? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:40:58 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Larry and Joni Bob Muller wrote (in reply to my defense of CMIAR) - : "I see a lot more commercial compromise on CMIARS than I do ambition. Let's look at the "stars" that were recruited to "play parts" in her songs, and how > obviously contrived and manipulative it was: > > Secret Place - Peter Gabriel (adult contemporary) > Dancin' Clown - Billy Idol/Steve Stevens/Tom Petty (the MTV crowd) > Cool Water - Willie Nelson (country pop) > Snakes & Ladders - Don Henley (adult contemporary)" > If you've forgotten, go look at where these artists were on the charts in 1988, and you can see that there was the hope of drawing from their audiences and assimilating them with Joni." I just do not get your point here, Bob. I could understand it better if you thought that Joni composed the songs cited above in order to fit the performers she eventually recruited. But I doubt that was so. Much more likely, she wrote the songs to her own standards, and then looked for some talents to round out the presentation. I love My Secret Place (and that there are two performers, although I find Gabriel's part a bit androgenous for my taste). You did not mention Lakota and Tea Leaf in this list, although they had (less famous) accompanists. But these works called for counterpoint and harmony, and she went looking for something other than her own overlays. In each case (except the truly dreadful S&L - ironic, those initials, eh ?), the fit was obviously natural and not at all contrived, IMO. As for manipulative, it would not surprise me if appearing on a JM album lent more artistic credibility as a payoff to those "recruits"" than it offered to joni in the form of potential additional sales or exposure. I could see Billy Idol, for example, thinking "well, everyone thinks I'm just a limited talent, whitehaired, S&M MTV pop star lightweight, but look, JM sees something of artistic worth in me, maybe y'all should pay attention too". > > > Then add to it the fact that most of the record has that dated 80's > synth-wash all over it, and I see it as Joni (with a big push from Klein) > trying to camouflage in with the zeitgeist instead of following the beat of > her own drummer (or the beat of black wings as the case may be). In the progression of things, I found CMIAR to be much more natural than DED, in this regard. Yes, there were a lot of tracks, but they were called for by the art. i do not think that a single song was written here with the thought that "here's one that could be a hit, and might help sell the album". That was not true of WTRF, for instance, which had two or three such cuts. Sorry, I think she was just trying to make good art here. Not a total success, to be sure, but not at all like you portayed it, IMO. I mean, Billy Idol and Tom Petty played bit parts, really. And even Willie Nelson and Gabriel were used sparingly - supporting actors, really. It's not like they were just pop duet singles. Bob S. > > Anyway, there are some highlights to be sure - and some outstanding songs > and moments, and hey, even some of the commercial duets work. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:45:33 -0800 (PST) From: bernard giordano Subject: joni's piano music Hi Everybody Anybody know where to find sheet music (piano)for these songs: Blue, Two Grey Rooms, Man From Mars, Rainy Night House,Ethiopia? Songbooks seem to be unavailable or out-of-print. Any leads will be appreciated: benwhitley2001@yahoo.com Thanks!!! Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:02:54 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 15 1966: Chuck and Joni Mitchell began a week-long nightly performance engagement at the Chess Mate in Detroit. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:31:07 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #111 - new Joni fans i have just discovered that the best way to convert joni haters into joni fans is to use BSN and travelogue. amazing! i don't even like those two, but i've been trying them out on friends who before would have run out of the room if i mentioned joni, and it works! it makes me wonder. is it because bsn and t'log are NOT mitchellesque enough? when i play the original versions of the tracks on t'log, the subjects of my experiment say they prefer the new versions, particularly amelia and love. so i wonder if i'm doing joni a service or quite the opposite. do you get what i mean? A (sort-of) similar experience: I learned last night a friend of mine has become a Joni fan recently, through Both Sides Now and Hits/Misses. Actually it started when he heard Magdalene Laundries on the Chieftains' Tears of Stone album. Anyway, he has long been a fan of 'divas' ("all divas, all the time," he says), so BSN was a pretty good entry port for him. I want to hook him no Hejira next. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:45:30 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #113 - Cincinnati show One of the articles Les passed along this AM was a review of Joni's 76 show in Cincy: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=721 It was a mixed review...I thought I recalled that Bree or maybe some other JMDLer's were there...was just wondering if they read it and had any thoughts or comments. Bob Well, that was a kick to read because I was at that show and because I was later the editor of that student newspaper while going to school there. But anyway, to answer your question, I think it's a pretty accurate review. As I mentioned in my account of that show here a while back, Joni barely said six words to the audience that night. Yes, she seemed removed and icy, but as I wrote earlier, it just added to the mystique (for me). I will disagree on one point - I don't think the audience went begging for boogie or toe-tapping tunes. I think Joni and the band rocked that night (if with a smooth, LA Express, jazz-rock sheen). What was missing was warmth and words from Joni, and I think people really missed that whether they realized it or not. Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #52 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)