From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #50 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 050 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- woodstock springboard [Thomas Ross ] Re: joni mitchell sings joni mitchell [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Query about Amelia [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Query about Amelia [sl.m@shaw.ca] How does Joni's music affect you? [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: How does Joni's music affect you? [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: How does Joni's music affect you? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: How does Joni's music affect you? [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Larry and Joni [Bobsart48@aol.com] Nonesuch Travelogue Promo ["Christopher Treacy" ] Today in History: February 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: February 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:47:45 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: woodstock springboard can't find the original post about Woodstock versions, but I may as well add that I wrote a song from reharmonizing 'Woodstock' and incorporating some of JM's lyrics. You find interesting/convincing chords that fit the old melody, then make up a new melody based on the new chords. In this case I also used or altered some of JM's gorgeous endrhyme lyrics, which aficionados will recognize. In performance I plug in a verse/chorus from JM, which is startling and fresh because of the new harmony. "I'm the Song" Like a horse along the road shedding the weight and bridle I'm the song slipped from the case while your guitar was idle If you can sing yes to all that sadness I will enter you and stay all the life of my years and my days Like a fish that spawns upstream away from a sea of troubles I'm the song from the time of man when your guitar was able if you can sing yes . . . I'm the song from the time of man when your guitar was able if you can sing yes . . . [Mitchell verse/chorus] like a bird that take wing at last over the psychobabble I'm the song shot up in the sky and your guitar is liable if you can sing yes . . . * 'shot up in the sky' is my approximation of 'shotgun in the sky' which I couldn't fit gracefully. TR Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 http://www.tom.rossweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:51:13 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mitchell sings joni mitchell In a message dated 2/12/2003 12:39:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > Was it old BBC footage? Jonified minds > want to know> "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" is the official title of the BBC broadcast that is more commonly referred to as the "Pink Dress Concert". Evian said that there were 5 songs, which would mean that this recent broadcast presented a portion of the original which was about twice that. Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Is She Really Going Out With Him?" Rockpalast 1983 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:13:18 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Query about Amelia I've been listening to Amelia obsessively since I bought Travelogue - I liked it before but I love this version. Can anyone tell me what they understand by "Amelia, it was just a false alarm"? I understand that it's a reference to Amelia Earhart, and courage in the face of loss (or loss because of too much courage/wanderlust) but I can't pin down the specific line "it was just a false alarm". Does she mean "I got it wrong again?" As in: "Maybe I've never really loved/I guess that is the truth/I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitude/And looking down on everything/I crashed into his arms/Amelia, it was just a false alarm." A kind of "Send in the Clowns"? Did anyone see Shirley MacLaine perform that? Anyone who has a soul should see her sing it. Most heartbreaking Joni lines: "I wish that he was here tonight It's so hard to obey His sad request of me to kindly stay away" Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:53:01 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Query about Amelia Sorry, was drunk when I wrote this. ;-) Sarah >From: sl.m@shaw.ca >Did anyone see Shirley MacLaine perform that? Anyone who >has a soul should see her sing it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:20:22 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: How does Joni's music affect you? I've been wondering about why people listen to Joni,specifically how does Joni's music affect you on an intellectual,emotional,physical,and spiritual level? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:00:27 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: How does Joni's music affect you? For me, Jon's music is pure poetry and each of her songs speaks to a particular stage of my life. Physically and emotionally, she makes me cry, sometimes bawl. Even though I often can't understand her intellectually, I feel I can understand her emotionally. As I said in an earlier post today, I'm playing Amelia from Travelogue obsessively at the moment. " I tell Amelia, it was just a false alarm", speaks of expectations that were wrong-headed, false, silly, premature, embarrassing. "I crashed into his arms . . . Amelia, it was just a false alarm." The great thing about Joni Mitchell is her humanity, the mistakes she's made and the mistakes she understands -- and sometimes her understanding of human frailty is overwhelming. It's like being with a Platonic ideal of Mother. It makes me think that humiliation and "getting it wrong" have been an all-too-large part of her life. Sarah At 11:20 AM -0500 02/12/2003, Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I've been wondering about why people listen to Joni,specifically how >does Joni's music affect you on an intellectual,emotional,physical,and >spiritual level? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:54:39 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: How does Joni's music affect you? intellectual - Sometimes I can just marvel at her skill as a lyricist, at the way she can write an entire song entirely free of cliche. And also the melodic & harmonic patterns of her music are intellectually inspiring. She draws from SO many references within the world of the arts, history, philosophy, geographry...it's amazing. She makes me feel so stupid sometimes. emotional - As I'm sure we can all state, there are songs or passages of songs, or even whole albums that are very personal to us; that is, we have been along the same paths as Joni and can laugh, cry and think along with what she's saying. Sometimes when things aren't working out, it's a comfort to listen to Joni and realize that these mis-connections and human flaws are part of everyone's life. physical - Don't know much about how her music affects me in a physical way, except that there are times when her songs stop me dead in my tracks. As a general rule, her music is not what I play for background music because it always draws focus. spiritual - Her music is spiritually inspiring to me because Joni constantly presents herself as someone who remains on a spiritual path, seeking truth and beauty. Like I said above, her spirituality draws from many sources and is truly hers, not just her accepting some dogma en masse. It helps to make her art more genuine. Hope that's some of what you're looking for Relayer. How would YOU answer your own question? Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Time" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: How does Joni's music affect you? I think initially there is a bit of an intellectual affect, - well we're smart enough to like Joni - - right? But it's mostly emotional for me early on. I can still remember putting Blue on for the very first time and standing in front of and over the "Hi-Fi" and swooning and feeling goosebumps. And yes sufferring from teen angst, I was often depressed and listened to her even more, wondering if that was a good idea sometimes!? But I felt like I had found my mentor. I think someone here once said it was depressing but that was what saved them/me and soothed us, as well. It was like being petted. Then once I had an understanding of Joni, and felt really into her, it did move to being a spiritual experience and finally to a deeper understanding and higher intellect, which of course we all share here. I listen to Joni - to sing with her, I listen still for my mood, and I listen still to hear something new or connect with a different part of her canvas. That's the transition and how it played and still plays out for me. - --- Relayer wrote: I've been wondering about why people listen to Joni,specifically how does Joni's music affect you on an intellectual,emotional,physical,and spiritual level? Peace, Susan Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:02:24 -0600 From: Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley Subject: joni mitchell sings joni mitchell Yes, our Bobby was right, Joni was wearing this pink dress (OMG, I am sorry, the dress is hideous, but it was still cute because she looked like she was going to the prom or something). They showed 1/2 hour of it, and she sang...oh hell.. let me think... "For Free", "BSN", "California", "Chelsea Morning" and a couple others that I can't think of right now. So listas, I miss ya! Somebody email me some gossip (or make something up, I'll never know the difference!). I see that the topic of circumcision has reared its ugly head again (no pun intended), and I saw a post on gluten -- LOL, why would anyone stay on onlyjoni is beyond me! xo Evian, who is both circumcised AND a glutton for gluten! p.s. -- btw, can't make it to Jonifest AGAIN this year -- we'll have the pitter-patter of little feet once again around that time! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:20:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mitchell sings joni mitchell In a message dated 2/12/2003 8:03:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: > (OMG, I am > sorry, the dress is hideous, but it was still cute because she looked > like she was going to the prom or something). Hush yo' mouth boy! Joni looks beautiful, and sings so beautifully on this show. It amazes me how much control she has in that upper register here. Anyway, you're right it about it looking like a prom dress, but lordy it's miles ahead of those Miyake nightmares that look like a window blind from a Holiday Inn in Tahiti. > > p.s. -- btw, can't make it to Jonifest AGAIN this year -- we'll have the > pitter-patter of little feet once again around that time! Congrats dude! You're a glutton all right - for PUNISHMENT! :~) Bob NP: John Mayer, "Why Georgia" (live from Birmingham...is that Cindy V. screaming in the background?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:43:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: joni for joni haters/boston next week i have just discovered that the best way to convert joni haters into joni fans is to use BSN and travelogue. amazing! i don't even like those two, but i've been trying them out on friends who before would have run out of the room if i mentioned joni, and it works! it makes me wonder. is it because bsn and t'log are NOT mitchellesque enough? when i play the original versions of the tracks on t'log, the subjects of my experiment say they prefer the new versions, particularly amelia and love. so i wonder if i'm doing joni a service or quite the opposite. do you get what i mean? incidentally, i'll be in boston from feb 20 to march 10. isn't that splendid? let me know if you want to get together. love, wallyK, wondering why t'log attracts more people than hejira... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:11:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: joni for joni haters/boston next week i have just discovered that the best way to convert joni haters into joni fans is to use BSN and travelogue. amazing! i don't even like those two, but i've been trying them out on friends who before would have run out of the room if i mentioned joni, and it works! it makes me wonder. is it because bsn and t'log are NOT mitchellesque enough? when i play the original versions of the tracks on t'log, the subjects of my experiment say they prefer the new versions, particularly amelia and love. so i wonder if i'm doing joni a service or quite the opposite. do you get what i mean? incidentally, i'll be in boston from feb 20 to march 10. isn't that splendid? let me know if you want to get together. love, wallyK, wondering why t'log attracts more people than hejira... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:30:39 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: ciao for now Judy & I are heading for Michigan; two concerts and some down time. I'll be back reading e-mail the 25th. Everyone be well, LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:03:09 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: ciao for now Have a wonderful trip and come home safe. I will call you sometime after you get home and Mardi Gras about the pending Volume 3 of Pazfest. Have a great time. Love Paz > Judy & I are heading for Michigan; two concerts and some down time. I'll be > back reading e-mail the 25th. > > Everyone be well, LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:09:00 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Larry and Joni Bob "Covers" wrote: > You missed my point, Andrew...I wasn't talking about co-production, I was > talking about the *compositions* they did together, which are: > > From DED: > Tax Free > Fiction > > From CMIARS: > Lakota > Tea Leaf Prophecy > Snakes And Ladders > Reocurring Dream > > From NRH: > Nothing Can Be Done > > I would note that the 'music' from the DED and NRH songs noted above is credited solely to Klein. From CMIARS, the music credits are shared. That said, Bob M, I agree with you that Nothing Can Be Done is the weakest cut on NRH (the only weak cut, IMO, except that Come in from the Cold is about twice as long as it should be). However, I disagree vehemently with your choice of 'abysmal' to describe CMIAR. I think it is quite a good effort, except for Snakes and Ladders and Reocurring Dream (and A Bird That Whistles is sort of a weak closer). I think it was an ambitious attempt at artistic (rather than commercial) work, and I respect that, even in those cases where I think it failed. I realize we disagree about the merits of Tea Leaf Prophecy (which I like a lot) and Dancin Clown. However, even if you consider it abysmal, I think you owed it an asterisk when you wrote as much. As in "abysmal *" * By Joni's Standards Bobs'art ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:11:00 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Nonesuch Travelogue Promo Well, they were very slow to respond, but Nonesuch came through. When I arrived home this evening, there was a large cardboard flat package in the hallway for me, and inside it was a (I'm still a little blown away) LITHOGRAPH of the cover portrait on heavy paper, just like the one's they sold at the BSN shows (no, it's not signed). It suffered a teeny-tiny bit of damage on it's way here, but I believe it's something I can cover up prior to framing. My JM poster collection has become quite extensive over the past few years, and I'm very pleased to add this to my shrine. I will say that I had to become an outright pain in the ass to get them to send it (last attempt at contact, I sent the same note 3 times in a 5 minute period...). Paid Off. - -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:12:17 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 13 1978: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter was certified gold by the RIAA. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:12:17 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 13 On February 13 the following items were published: 1974: "Joni Mitchell In Concert" - The Real Paper (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=768 1975: "Miles of Aisles" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=287 1976: "Cold Blue Steel" - News Record (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=721 1978: "Stephen's Ladies" - People (News Item, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=242 2000: "Both Sides Now" - Newark Star-Ledger (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=448 2000: "On The Record" - Long Island Newsday (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=456 2000: "Something's Lost and Something's Gained" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=454 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #50 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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