From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 048 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: lyric question [Catherine McKay ] Wall to Wall Joni in New York ["Paul Castle" ] Re: definitive covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Chuck, Kelly, Nuns, etc... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: definitive covers [Catherine McKay ] RE: lyric question ["Wally Kairuz" ] Jonifest 2003 breaking news ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #47 ["Timothy Spong" ] "The Drifters"-James Michener [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: "The Drifters"-James Michener SJC ["kasey simpson" ] Re: "The Drifters"-James Michener [Murphycopy@aol.com] Boys play Girls, Hugh's Room, Toronto - sjc [Catherine McKay ] Re: definitive covers ["mike pritchard" ] Liebowitz Photos* [Thom Byrd ] Wall to Wall Joni in New York ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Wall to Wall Joni in New York [Gerald Notaro ] Re: definitive covers (some JC) [Dan Olson ] Re: definitive covers (some JC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: 'Woodstock' ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: definitive covers (some JC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: definitive covers (some JC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: definitive covers (some JC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: lyric question ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Klein and Joni [Little Bird ] Re: definitive covers ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: definitive covers ["Kate Bennett" ] Tiddly-Winks ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] djrd [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: definitive covers (some JC) [Dan Olson ] Re: definitive covers (some JC) [Randy Remote ] Re: Jonifest 2003 breaking news [Michael Paz ] Today's Library Links: February 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:04:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: lyric question --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > > now, what does "he heard her off to starboard" mean? > it's from cactus tree. > i can't figure it out! what is "to hear someone > off"? > wallyK Wally, you can tell someone off, or hear someone out, but you can't "hear someone off". It's "off to..." It's an idiomatic expression, as in "off to the left" or "over on my right." "Off to starboard, he heard her" - does that make more sense? (You know what starboard is, I think?) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:17:58 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Wall to Wall Joni in New York Found this http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 >Symphony Space presents Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell (Mar 22, 2003, 11:00am) >This year's Wall to Wall marathon celebrates the continuing >legacy of Joni Mitchell, widely recognized as one of the most >influential songwriters of the 20th Century. Hundreds of >musicians will explore the impact of Mitchell's music and >lyrics on all walks of the music world today. Wall to Wall >Joni Mitchell, our 33rd 'gift' to the city of New York is, as >always, FREE. (But, to help underwrite the costs of >producing this musical extravaganza, a small number of >orchestra seats will be reserved for each segment of the >day in recognition of a $125 contribution. All proceeds >will benefit Symphony Space. To reserve seats, please >call Sharmin Mahmud, Manager of Individual Giving and >Special Events, at (212) 864-1414 x232.) No details of the "hundreds" on the site yet but.... I've found Lucy Kaplansky www.lucykaplansky.com Pianist Jason Moran www.jasonmoran.com Sax player Greg Osby www.gregosby.com Pianist Fred Hersch www.fredhersch.com Edie Carey www.ediecarey.com PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:58:11 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: definitive covers In a message dated 2/10/2003 12:06:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, kimerer@taconic.net writes: > CSNY's Woodstock would. But that would be strictly an American point of view. While I agree with you that CSNY's Woodstock is better known than Joni's own version, when it comes to Woodstock covers they basically break down into 4 subcategories: 1. Those that are derivative of Joni's original from LOTC; 2. Those that take their inspiration from the CSNY version; 3. Those that take their inspiration from The Matthews Southern Comfort version 4. Those that take off in a unique direction with seemingly little or no resemblance to any of the above. I would be hard-pressed to categorize every one of the 75 or so Woodstock's I've heard, but I can honestly say that more imitate the MSC version than the CSNY version. Using that criteria, it could be argued that the MSC cover is more definitive than the CSNY cover, even though it's not as well known on this side of the pond. Woodstock is an interesting study in Joni covers as it has been done in such creative ways. I think for many it sums up the entire hippie generation in one song and as such is an easy "target". Changing the subject slightly, I would argue that Joni's cover of "Twisted" has probably become the definitive version, but that comes from my perspective as a rock and roller. Perhaps in the jazz world this would be considered a blasphemous statement. Bob NP: Hootie & The Blowfish, "Time" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:03:51 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Chuck, Kelly, Nuns, etc... <> Thanks for the link, Michael...I knew I had seen that somewhere. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:42:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: definitive covers --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/10/2003 12:06:12 AM Eastern > Standard Time, kimerer@taconic.net writes: > > > CSNY's Woodstock would. > > But that would be strictly an American point of > view. While I agree with you that CSNY's Woodstock > is better known than Joni's own version, when it > comes to Woodstock covers they basically break down > into 4 subcategories: > > 1. Those that are derivative of Joni's original from > LOTC; > > 2. Those that take their inspiration from the CSNY > version; > > 3. Those that take their inspiration from The > Matthews Southern Comfort version > > 4. Those that take off in a unique direction with > seemingly little or no resemblance to any of the > above. > Here in Canada, both versions were hits (as I recall.) Maybe I just paid more attention to them because I was already a Joni-fan, but I certainly remember the MSC version equally as well as the CSNY version. (The joys of having one foot in the UK and the other in the USA - - the best of two worlds.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:10:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: lyric question oooooooooooh how daft of me! he heard her voice coming from that direction! thanks cath, it all makes sense now. (well, not all as in ALL --existentially, metaphysically, etc -- but just that bit of the song). wallyK, just about to make an announcement to the whole list - -----Mensaje original----- De: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Enviado el: Lunes, 10 de Febrero de 2003 09:05 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; Michael Paz; Joni Digest Asunto: RE: lyric question Wally, you can tell someone off, or hear someone out, but you can't "hear someone off". It's "off to..." It's an idiomatic expression, as in "off to the left" or "over on my right." "Off to starboard, he heard her" - does that make more sense? (You know what starboard is, I think?) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:56:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Jonifest 2003 breaking news stop what you're doing and hear this!!!! there is absolutely no excuse to miss jonifest this year. most particularly because... I HAVE JUST OBTAINED A TEN-YEAR VISA TO GO TO THE US OF FUCKING A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm going i'm going i'm going. so if you thought you were rid of me, think again. i'll be there and this year i'll be singing brunnhilde's immolation in drag plus the complete mad scene from lucia the lammermore to add to the general elegant character of the fest. and what's this i hear? people procrastinating and not sending their deposits! tut tut. get out those fat checkbooks now and write the darling little checks! deposits AND donations, s'il vous plait. as to the raffles, i'm sending the tiara i wore at the dutch royal wedding last year. i know, i know -- it's LAST year's tiara, but i wore it only once and besides diamonds become ANY girl. what are youze sending? jonifest is one of the few times we can get together in the flesh and channel ethel merman. would you miss such a thrill? no, you would NOT. so give the girl a break, and send ashara your precious deposits, donations, raffle tchotchkas and good vibes. at jonifest you get to kiss maggie mcnally! you see steve polifka's hairy chest! and there's always me, available for a hot dog and a coke! honey, think about it. stop being so annoying, children, and get yourselves back to the garden, for god's sake! wallyK, scaring my housekeeper with my sudden shrieks of joy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:21:56 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #47 On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Little Bird wrote (in part): >Asking what the song DJRD is about is sort of like asking, "What's life >about?" >It's a very complex song with a lot of references to the books of >Carlos Castaneda, a Mexican philopsher/poet/writer who theorizes about >life, >knowledge and self discovery. One of the "characters" in his books is a >real-life mystic named Don Juan who teaches the ancient philosophies of >the Toltec Indians. The eagle and serpent imagery are derived from these >ancient teachings. > > >Joni, of course, being a huge fan of Aboriginal philosophies, takes >these teachings and incorporates them into the universal theme of duality, >which is a constant thread throughout her work: man/woman, scale/feather, >land/sky, clarity/blind desire, old ideals/new ideals. The crux of the >song hinges on this line, I think: "The eagle and the serpent are at war in >me/The serpent fighting for blind desire, the eagle for clarity." It's >Joni coming to terms with a lot of factors in her life that seem to be >conflicting polarities, drawing inspiration from ageless philosophy to >get some kind of balance. > ... and several others took up the theme. Not mentioned: Joni, as most of us know, is a Scorpio, as is yours truly. For some purposes, each astrological sign is associated with three symbols -- or, if they're all animals, we might say "totems." I don't know what the additional ones for the other signs are, or what concept is being scaled as "low," "middle" and "high," but for Scorpio, the "low" symbol is the scorpion, the "middle" symbol is the snake (serpent) and the "high" symbol is the eagle. So, in addition to referencing the Toltec symbology, Joni was -- whether intentionally or not -- referencing two of the three aspects of her Scorpio identity. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:39:10 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "The Drifters"-James Michener I was looking through,(I haven't read the book) "The Drifters" (from 1971),by James Michener,and I found a Joni referance.The narrator talked about the song "Michael from mountains" being one of the most beautiful songs he ever heard ,as good as a song by Schubert.he said the woman who sang the song sounded like an angel.I suppose he could be talking about Judy Collins' version,but I'll assume he meant Joni. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:43:17 -0600 From: "kasey simpson" Subject: Re: "The Drifters"-James Michener SJC I read that book years, and years ago. I don't remember that referance but I did enjoy the book. Kasey I was looking through,(I haven't read the book) "The Drifters" (from 1971),by James Michener,and I found a Joni referance.The narrator talked about the song "Michael from mountains" being one of the most beautiful songs he ever heard ,as good as a song by Schubert.he said the woman who sang the song sounded like an angel.I suppose he could be talking about Judy Collins' version,but I'll assume he meant Joni. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:54:23 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Drifters"-James Michener Relayer writes: << I suppose he could be talking about Judy Collins' version,but I'll assume he meant Joni. >> In either case, it still qualifies as a Joni mention in fiction and it is featured in the Joni in Fiction section of the JMDL. Keep reading, Relayer, and let us know if you come across any other references! Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:17:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Boys play Girls, Hugh's Room, Toronto - sjc I just got my weekly e-mail from Hugh's Room (folk club in Toronto) and there's something posted for Sat Feb 15 called "Boys Play Girls", notable for the one I've marked with **these things** below: " Joey Wright as Lucinda Williams Dug Paisley as Gillian Welch Kurt Swinghammer as Laura Nyro Melwood Cutlery as Diana Ross Liam Titcomb as Katherine Wheatley **The Supers as Joni Mitchell** Blair Packham as... stay tuned Wendell Ferguson as... stay tuned" Of course, I have no idea who the Supers are, nor for that matter, who any of these other people are (the "boys" that is) but it's only $10 and of course I know who Joni Mitchell is. Apparently it takes more than one "boy" to equal one Joni Mitchell too. This info can be found at http://www.hughsroom.com> Any Torontoises interested in going to this? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:40:05 EST From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #104 Colin!! OUCCCHHHHH I dunno, it's a mystery about receptionists. Like I usually just want to say "hey, your just a receptionist, get over it!" Jody L. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:46:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Boys play Girls, Hugh's Room, Toronto - sjc Catherine wrote:I just got my weekly e-mail from Hugh's Room (folk club in Toronto) and there's something posted for Sat Feb 15 called "Boys Play Girls", notable for the one I've marked with **these things** below: " Joey Wright as Lucinda Williams Dug Paisley as Gillian Welch Kurt Swinghammer as Laura Nyro Melwood Cutlery as Diana Ross Liam Titcomb as Katherine Wheatley **The Supers as Joni Mitchell** Blair Packham as... stay tuned Wendell Ferguson as... stay tuned" Of course, I have no idea who the Supers are, nor for that matter, who any of these other people are (the "boys" that is) but it's only $10 and of course I know who Joni Mitchell is. Apparently it takes more than one "boy" to equal one Joni Mitchell too. This info can be found at http://www.hughsroom.com> Any Torontoises interested in going to this? and now me: Liam Titcomb is the son of Brent Titcomb, you may have heard of him .. he's a regular in the southern ontario folk scene...you can see him at a number of the summer Folk Fest series as well as with the Oakville Folk club just down the road from you more or less. He's a sweet man, and a wonderful singer/songwriter. His son Liam is following right in his Dads footsteps which is so wonderful to see and yes I would love to come with you only...boohooo I cant just yet. Katherine Wheatley is another of the regular crew..shes amazing and Im sure this gang is going to have a fantastic time of it. When we come to town hopefully in the summer Catherine, we will have to get together and go to Hugh's . Its so great there. The best of the best. The llittle club where Eric Anderson performed in Oct 2001 when Joni came up on stage and sang with him ;-) Not sure who the Supers are...be sure to go and we look forward to your report!! just a little green eyed Mags ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 03:05:47 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: DJRD - Help!! hi >>>> Kate wrote >>>>well its been decades since i read castenda but i do recall some scary peyote trips taking place & the above lines sure sound like one of them! lol... probably the most realistic interpretation :-) i was actually going to ask if that was a possibility - since im not too familiar with these type of drugs. but it seems that a lot of the song concerns visual images being mixed up. the the serpent resembling a train, and the eagle resembling an aeroplane, probably with joni being probably more familiar with the two. or is it just expressing the serpent and eagle in technological terms which are more relevant to many people today (and when she wrote the song) funny also that in this song the airliner represents clarity of thought. yet in amelia, jet aircraft "the drone of flying engines, is a song so wild and blue, it scrambles time and seasons, if it gets through to you" as well as other forms of flight seem to have such romantic connotations - "like icarus ascending, on beautiful foolish arms" and yet at the same time are lonely "maybe ive never really loved, maybe that is the truth, ive spent my whole life, in clouds at icy altitudes" kind of contradictory. like she always dreamed of loving people and soaring through the the skies on love, but in fact its always been cerebral. a love of the minds, and afraid to really commit her heart...the classic cry of someone who is ready, and makes a habit of giving love so generously, yet is scared of receiving it. but two parts that really get me are: What strange prizes these battles bring These hectic joys these weary blues Puffed up and strutting when I think I win Down and shaken when I think I lose and the real kicker in the song (well of the lines that im starting to understand) I touched you on the central plains It was plane to train my twin It was just plane shadow to train shadow But to me it was skin to skin the eagle and serpent meet together. she becomes one with (don juan??). really just an illusion, but so real and intimate to her. but im not too sure how this would be consistent with what i wrote above about amelia??? anyhow - enough thinking out loud!! if ya think im talking crap please be nice when you tell me :-) the song is so great, so confusing, and so compelling..... and i also just love the line: As we siphon the colored language Off the farms and the streets gee - ya think joni knew rap was coming????? :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:51:40 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: definitive covers >>I would be hard-pressed to categorize every one of the 75 or so Woodstock's I've heard,<< Bob, get help, right now. You know I'm right. mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:19:04 -0800 (PST) From: Thom Byrd Subject: Liebowitz Photos* Does anyone on this list know where I can find the photos that Annie Liebowitz {sp~?} took of Joni. thom Keep your pencil sharp, thom http://thombyrd.tripod.com/index.html Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:33:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Wall to Wall Joni in New York thanks paul, the link in the article goes to the jonimitchell.com site btw... can someone tell me more about this event? how many years has it been going on? how long is the event? hours?days? nonstop? who is the producer? is it by invitation or can someone submit to perform? Found this http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 >Symphony Space presents Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell (Mar 22, 2003, 11:00am) ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:35:36 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Wall to Wall Joni in New York Looks like it is going to be great. My travel mate pooped out on me. If anyone is interested in going and sharing a room, let me know. Jerry Kate Bennett wrote: > thanks paul, the link in the article goes to the jonimitchell.com site > btw... > > can someone tell me more about this event? how many years has it been going > on? how long is the event? hours?days? nonstop? who is the producer? is it > by invitation or can someone submit to perform? > > Found this > http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:32:47 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: definitive covers (some JC) Bob wrote: "I would be hard-pressed to categorize every one of the 75 or so Woodstock's I've heard, but I can honestly say that more imitate the MSC version than the CSNY version. Using that criteria, it could be argued that the MSC cover is more definitive than the CSNY cover..." I have to confess I have no recollection of the MSC version of that song. I recall the name of the group, but can't remember any of their music. On a related Woodstock note: I dragged out my vinyl of LOTC (I don't have it on CD) and listened to the original version of Woodstock again -- I hadn't listened to the LOTC Joni rendition in a long time (years). And I was struck by the fact that the song is not performed as some sort of hippie anthem at all. (CSNY turned it into almost a march.) In fact, it has much of the same mood that she uses on Traveloque, though orchestrated differently -- and that spooky choir vocal at the end. Wow! So strange -- and hardly ends the song on an '....and-we-all-lived-happily-ever-after-once-we-got-back-to-the- garden' note. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:24:32 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: definitive covers (some JC) One very interesting thing about Woodstock on LOTC is Joni playing (solo) ELECTRIC piano (a Wurlitzer, I believe). I don't recall her doing that on any other songs (did she?). Of course, Herbie Hancock plays very distinctive Fender-Rhodes electric piano on Mingus, and Joni's 80's albums had lots of electronic keyboards (played by her and others), after the demise of the electric piano, which went the way of the turntable. Well I finally got my turntable working properly, so I've been listenting to a lot of Joni's albums that I don't also have on CD. I found it interesting that on NRH (which I have on vinyl), in "Nothing Can be Done", the music was by LARRY KLEIN (words by Joni). And on "The Only Joy in Town," Joni plays OBOE. Who knew? >On a related Woodstock note: I dragged out my vinyl of LOTC (I don't have it >on CD) and listened to the original version of Woodstock again -- I hadn't >listened to the LOTC Joni rendition in a long time (years). And I was struck >by the fact that the song is not performed as some sort of hippie anthem at >all. (CSNY turned it into almost a march.) In fact, it has much of the same >mood that she uses on Traveloque, though orchestrated differently -- and >that spooky choir vocal at the end. Wow! So strange -- and hardly ends the >song on an '....and-we-all-lived-happily-ever-after-once-we-got-back-to-the- >garden' note. > >Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:17:15 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: definitive covers (some JC) In a message dated 10/02/2003 23:21:31 GMT Standard Time, bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: << And on "The Only Joy in Town," Joni plays OBOE. Who knew? >> This is a credit that puzzled me, and it is frankly a lie! Someone enlightened us on this a while ago, I can't remember who. Apparently the oboe was sampled and just played on a keyboard. It's a small point, but I thought that was a really dishonest thing to put in the credits. Don't much like the song either! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:20:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: 'Woodstock' "Bruce Kimerer" wrote: > On a related Woodstock note: I dragged out my vinyl of LOTC (I don't > have it > on CD) and listened to the original version of Woodstock again -- I hadn't > listened to the LOTC Joni rendition in a long time (years). And I was > struck > by the fact that the song is not performed as some sort of hippie anthem at > all. (CSNY turned it into almost a march.) In fact, it has much of the same > mood that she uses on Traveloque, though orchestrated differently -- and > that spooky choir vocal at the end. Wow! So strange -- and hardly ends > the > song on an '....and-we-all-lived-happily-ever-after-once-we-got-back-to- > the- > garden' note. At first I thought 'Woodstock' sounded a bit cliche. Joni's LOTC version is the first one I heard. I have since heard a few covers. I really dislike the MSC and CSN&Y versions. Those really do sum up the hippie generation and sound rather dated. Sure the lyrics have alot of hippie stuff about them but there are alot of universal messges in the song which Joni put across much better than anyone else can. The LOTC and TLOG versions are very powerful and the MOI version rocks. Still find the SAL vers dull though. I'm not a big fan of Eva Cassidy but she has done the best guitar version I have heard. "We are Star dust We are golden" STEVE T NP: 42nd Street Psyco Blues by Janis Ian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:57:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: definitive covers (some JC) In a message dated 2/10/2003 5:30:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, kimerer@taconic.net writes: > I have to confess I have no recollection of the MSC version of that song. I > recall the name of the group, but can't remember any of their music. Because you're on this side of the Atlantic. Had you grown up on the other side, you would more likely say that you were more familiar with the MSC version. However, the MSC version did make some waves here, I remember my sister had the 45 and I liked it even then. > > And I was struck > by the fact that the song is not performed as some sort of hippie anthem at > all. I agree with this whole-heartedly - it's just that time and the title of the song has given it that kind of treatment. When I think of some of the more wacky covers I have, a lot of them are Woodstock, because for a lot of folks that event was a defining point in the culture. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:01:11 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: definitive covers (some JC) In a message dated 2/10/2003 6:21:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: > One very interesting thing about Woodstock on LOTC is Joni playing (solo) > ELECTRIC piano Yes, that does make for an interesting sound, and the "yodels" on the end are also somewhat unique. The song is really as strong a signature song for her as BSN & BYT I would propose. She's released it on 5 of her cd's (counting the re-release on "Hits"). She played it on her '83 and '98 tours. And I have to say that it's one of the highlights of S&L for me. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:04:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: definitive covers (some JC) In a message dated 2/10/2003 7:18:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, AzeemAK@aol.com writes: > It's a small point, but I > thought that was a really dishonest thing to put in the credits. Don't > much > like the song either! > I'm with you Azeem...I don't have the credits in front of me, but I think it reads "Fairlight Oboe", like you can switch the keys to imitate whatever instrument you like. If I was an accomplished oboist I would be Oboe-pissed! None of her compositions with Klein were much good, and this one doesn't change my opinion. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:20:35 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: lyric question Gees, McKay! You want me to go through the entire canon of lyrics with ya? You don't believe "He heard her, off to starboard?" OKAY! You're on a ship in Lake Superior. Let's say there's a storm and you're about 15 miles from White Fish Bay, standing in the middle of the boat, facing the front, the bow. The hull is pitching and yawning as the boat rolls from side to side in the waves. It's dusk, and foggy. The starboard rail is the boat's outside edge on your right. Over the wind and the rain and the groaning, twisting rigging you shout, "WHERE'S THE EDMUND FITZGERALD? DID THE CAPTAIN SEE HER?" I might holler back, "NO, BUT HE HEARD HER PLAINLY ENOUGH, OFF TO STARBOARD, BUCKLING AND WHIMPERING AS SHE WENT DOWN!" It's not so hard to fathom. See? It's a pun. "Fathom"! Get it? It's a nautical joke! Lama, who's apparently doomed to argue with this woman every day of the new millennium. Sheesh! Put me at the top of your danger list ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Klein and Joni Bob M wrote: > None of her compositions with Klein were much good...> Ahh! This is ourtrageous! Sire of Sorrow, Two Grey Rooms, Passion Play, Turbulent Indigo, the list goes on and on. They've produced some wonderful songs together. I'm not trying to change your opinion but surely you've overlooked some very good songs here? - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:41:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: definitive covers Without a doubt: "Black Crow" by Bryan Thomas in Ashara's living room, 1998. "Edith and the Kingpin" by Sherelle Smith in the Performance Space at the Full Moon Resort in Olivera, New York, on Saturday night, August 24th, 2002. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:02:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: definitive covers >>>I found it interesting that on NRH (which I have on vinyl), in "Nothing Can be Done", the music was by LARRY KLEIN (words by Joni). And on "The Only Joy in Town," Joni plays OBOE. Who knew?<< i sure didn't know that...was it real oboe (very difficult to just pick up & play from what i understand) or could it be that it was keyboard sampled oboe? ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:26:20 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Tiddly-Winks I see tiddly-Winks is busy working overtime writing all over Mitchell's digest with an obcession about circumcision - may I add _ don't believe I've had a Daddy-pops that was not circumcised so apparently this time to time revival must come from someone who has forgotten about VD and would like to meet a carrier real soon - dah... that was and is the reason for circumcision - men needing mutiples a day and well then there is the point on showers not always available and absolutely pitiful whores who do it anywhere for a few dolla's and even more desperate men and voila - Joni's Jungle Line - but did ye all really believe she was saying like Hail to stupidity? Still around I must say this digest has been off the point of it for some time. I would like to know what she is thinking on all this stuff happening with Iraq ...Haven't relistened to Travelogue lately been too preoccupied and every time I read oen of these I get no interest in the lines from any of you S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:52:21 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: djrd Subject of the meaning(s) of DJRD came up earlier: I've always heard a lot of sexual guilt/liberation in the song (coward, slinking down the hall to another restless night/as we center behind the eight-ball/as we rock between the sheets, etc.). Pretty powerful stuff, this song. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:29:06 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: definitive covers (some JC) From my vinyl copy (which I'll bet I'm one of the few who owns): "The Only Joy in Town ........... Joni Mitchell: Guitar, Oboe, Keyboards, Omnichord, Vocals" Thanks to everyone who pointed out that the oboe was sampled, and that this was already discussed in a thread some time ago. What the heck is an ominchord? ~Dan At 08:04 PM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/10/2003 7:18:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, >AzeemAK@aol.com writes: > > > It's a small point, but I > > thought that was a really dishonest thing to put in the credits. Don't > > much > > like the song either! > > > >I'm with you Azeem...I don't have the credits in front of me, but I think it >reads "Fairlight Oboe", like you can switch the keys to imitate whatever >instrument you like. If I was an accomplished oboist I would be Oboe-pissed! >None of her compositions with Klein were much good, and this one doesn't >change my opinion. > >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:44:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: definitive covers (some JC) Dan Olson wrote: > From my vinyl copy (which I'll bet I'm one of the few who owns): > "The Only Joy in Town ........... Joni Mitchell: Guitar, Oboe, Keyboards, > Omnichord, Vocals" > > Thanks to everyone who pointed out that the oboe was sampled, and that this > was already discussed in a thread some time ago. What the heck is an > ominchord? It's like a bungee chord only it will attach to anything in the universe. RR sorry...some kind of keyboard synth thing. I have heard that the oboe is the hardest orchestra instrument to play. Takes major wind. The credit should have said it was sampled oboe. Maybe it was a typo...wouldn't be the first time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:08:23 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003 breaking news Pressure continues to mount ( no Pun intended). Wally great news I hope I can be there with you all. Best Paz > stop what you're doing and hear this!!!! > there is absolutely no excuse to miss jonifest this year. most particularly > because... I HAVE JUST OBTAINED A TEN-YEAR VISA TO GO TO THE US OF FUCKING > A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm going i'm going i'm going. so if you thought you > were rid of me, think again. i'll be there and this year i'll be singing > brunnhilde's immolation in drag plus the complete mad scene from lucia the > lammermore to add to the general elegant character of the fest. > and what's this i hear? people procrastinating and not sending their > deposits! tut tut. get out those fat checkbooks now and write the darling > little checks! deposits AND donations, s'il vous plait. > as to the raffles, i'm sending the tiara i wore at the dutch royal wedding > last year. i know, i know -- it's LAST year's tiara, but i wore it only once > and besides diamonds become ANY girl. what are youze sending? > jonifest is one of the few times we can get together in the flesh and > channel ethel merman. would you miss such a thrill? no, you would NOT. > so give the girl a break, and send ashara your precious deposits, donations, > raffle tchotchkas and good vibes. at jonifest you get to kiss maggie > mcnally! you see steve polifka's hairy chest! and there's always me, > available for a hot dog and a coke! honey, think about it. > stop being so annoying, children, and get yourselves back to the garden, for > god's sake! > wallyK, scaring my housekeeper with my sudden shrieks of joy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:04:57 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 11 On February 11 the following items were published: 1991: "Night Ride Home" - People (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=465 2000: "Both Sides Now" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=579 2000: "Interview" - CBC "Magazine" (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=904 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #48 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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