From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #47 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, February 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 047 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: February 9 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni in Print, was "Gift list for the Joni Fan on your list, *LONG*" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: So much for the Aussie Bootlegger... [Catherine McKay ] re: "chelsea morning" and "the house for unwed mothers" ["mia ortlieb" ] Fw: DJRD - Help!! ["ron" ] Re: DJRD - Help!! ["ron" ] Re: DJRD - Help!! [Little Bird ] DJRD - Help!! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Jonifest 2003 [Michael Paz ] Re: Gays' interest in Joni [Michael Paz ] Chuck, Kelly, Nuns, etc... ["michael o'malley" ] definitive covers [Bruce Kimerer ] RE: Gays' interest in Joni/lyric question ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today in History: February 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: February 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 01:23:01 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Today's Library Links: February 9 >>1974: "Folk-Rock's Ethel Merman" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=875<< lol, susan!, bob!, kay! so THIS was your inspiration! can you imagine being dubbed folk-rock's ethel!?!?!?!?!? ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 05:13:59 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Joni in Print, was "Gift list for the Joni Fan on your list, *LONG*" In a message dated 2/8/2003 1:25:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Freddyb4@aol.com writes: > Books about or by Joni - are any outstanding "Must Haves ??" Freddy, here's a re-posting from November 28th, 2002 *************************** Lama's annual overview ========================= This isn't exhaustive but someone may want to stick this up on the refrigerator or something......... ========================= Books ========================= "Shadows and Light: Joni Mitchell The Definitive Biography", available from http://www.amazon.co.uk "voices: The Work of Joni Mitchell", available from http://www.mendel.ca/shop/ They also have a really cool poster from the exhibit that they're practically giving away. "Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems and Lyrics", doesn't have any poems in it but it DOES slavishly reproduced one typo after another from the album's printed lyrics. Sample lyric: "Buoy winds pushed them face down in the snow." If you still want it, it's available from http://www.amazon.com How come all of these books so far have subtitles? Hmmmm. Maybe you wondered what she meant in the liner notes of 'The Hissing Of Summer Lawns' when she wrote, "This record is a total work conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally- as a whole. It's not my intention to unravel that mystery for anyone but rather to offer some additional clues." Here's another BIG HINT: "National Geographic Magazine", February 1975, beginning on page 270. "Architectural Digest", July/August 1976. Beginning on page 72, there are six pages of pictures and text from the Bel Air home of a pretty good singer-songwriter. Not bad. Especially for a girl. [I'm not serious] "downbeat magazine" August 9th, 1979 This is the issue (that I don't have yet!) in which Leonard Feather soundly praises "Mingus". Mister Feather figured that "Mingus" deserved 5 stars out of a possible 5 stars. [Class, don't be surprised if you see this material again very soon.] Will somebody PLEASE give Joni a copy of this the next time they see her dining alfresco? Let's review what Mister Feather said: *****. Five stars. 5. 1-2-3-4-5. Okay? How can I buy one of these back issues? ========================= Videos ========================= "Painting With Words and Music", available on VHS Hi-Fi and DVD from http://www.amazon.com "Shadows and Light", (1980) in its unedited edition (including the skating video) available on region-free DVD from a guy in Hong Kong who lists auctions on www.ebay.com "Come In From The Cold" video 45 minutes, 1991 "Refuge Of The Roads" about 55 minutes, 1980 ========================= Audio ========================= 8-Track: out of print but available on www.ebay.com Cassette: out of print but available on www.ebay.com CD: There are 22 now if you count 'hits' and 'misses' and don't count the singles or remixes. Every last one of them is currently available brand new in the USA. This is a pretty nice situation so the next time Joni feels under appreciated, remind her that her *ENTIRE* catalog has not been cut-out. Here are the official releases: Song To A Seagull Clouds Ladies of the Canyon Blue For The Roses Court and Spark Miles Of Aisles The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Mingus Shadows and Light Wild Things Run Fast Dog Eat Dog Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo hits misses Taming The Tiger Both Sides Now Travelogue http://jonimitchell.com/jonidiscography.html The covers and release dates are: http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/ ========================= High Res Audio ========================= CDs in the HDCD editions: If I recall, everything through "hits" and "misses" has been re-issued using the HDCD compression scheme. I don't know anyone who can decode them correctly but at least they used great equipment when they mastered them. DVD-Audio: This format, which will probably die a grisly death like the Elcaset, now offers one Joni title: "Both Sides Now". No other titles are available as far as I know of. LPs: You need a level shelf, clean records, and hideously expensive equipment, but the white-label promo editions and Japanese pressings (with "Obi") of the piano-driven and unproduced records breathe more like a person on an acoustic instrument, in my admittedly pompous opinion. (Obligatory: "This vain man wishes to seem wise.") I have a MFSL 1/2 speed mastered version of "Court and Spark" but by then the layers of production hampered the clarity. I think there are some Quinex II pressings of "Wild Things Run Fast" but my regular copy is exceptional anyway. Two review questions: 1. Who loves you guys? 2. In his review for the Jazz world's "Downbeat Magazine", how many stars, out of 5 possible, did Leonard Feather give the "MINGUS" album? Class? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:16:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: So much for the Aussie Bootlegger... In a message dated 2/8/2003 10:53:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, grizzlybear3au@yahoo.com writes: > And, anyway, the wonders of > ebay are a mystery to me. Believe it or not, I've > never been there. > Of course I was just having a bit of fun with you, ya grizzly ol' Wombat. Thanks to a trade we made a long time ago, I decided to start collecting covers of Joni songs, so thanks for the inspiration! And here's another thought about E-bay, bootlegs, etc. Isn't it really WORSE in theory if someone sells one of Joni's current in-print CD's on E-bay as opposed to a bootleg, or a CDR of a live show? Think about it - Joni gets no revenues whatsoever from the bootlegs, regardless of how they're exchanged; sale, blanks/postage, whatever. But if I buy a factory cd from E-bay, she gets no royalties whereas she would have had I purchased it in a store or online or some such. I guess the question is whether the person who buys the bootleg is someone who is buying it INSTEAD OF an officially released recording. Interesting stuff to ponder for a Sunday morning... Bob NP: Joni, "Dr. Junk" (I wonder if that dentist in Fayetteville NC is still around?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 07:29:30 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: DJRD - Help!! Hi the title track DJRD whats it all about??? much as i love the song i really dont understand it.... ron np - world cup cricket ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:04:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: So much for the Aussie Bootlegger... --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > And here's another thought about E-bay, bootlegs, > etc. Isn't it really WORSE > in theory if someone sells one of Joni's current > in-print CD's on E-bay as > opposed to a bootleg, or a CDR of a live show? Think > about it - Joni gets no > revenues whatsoever from the bootlegs, regardless of > how they're exchanged; > sale, blanks/postage, whatever. But if I buy a > factory cd from E-bay, she > gets no royalties whereas she would have had I > purchased it in a store or > online or some such. Why would anyone want to buy one this way? Because they might get it a bit cheaper than buying it in a store? But then when you add postage and so on, isn't it going to be about what you'd pay if you just went and bought one at a store? It seems a bit labour-intensive and a convoluted way of doing things, but then, human nature is just a teensy bit screwy sometimes, innit? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:45:30 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: DJRD - Help!! Asking what the song DJRD is about is sort of like asking, "What's life about?" It's a very complex song with a lot of references to the books of Carlos Castaneda, a Mexican philopsher/poet/writer who theorizes about life, knowledge and self discovery. One of the "characters" in his books is a real-life mystic named Don Juan who teaches the ancient philosophies of the Toltec Indians. The eagle and serpent imagery are derived from these ancient teachings. Joni, of course, being a huge fan of Aboriginal philosophies, takes these teachings and incorporates them into the universal theme of duality, which is a constant thread throughout her work: man/woman, scale/feather, land/sky, clarity/blind desire, old ideals/new ideals. The crux of the song hinges on this line, I think: "The eagle and the serpent are at war in me/The serpent fighting for blind desire, the eagle for clarity." It's Joni coming to terms with a lot of factors in her life that seem to be conflicting polarities, drawing inspiration from ageless philosophy to get some kind of balance. This song is a huge undertaking as far as analysis goes. I'm sure an entire book could be written about this song. But this will give you some pointers, anyway. Just listen to it and let the pieces come together for you. This song works best on a subconscious level, I find. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 10:48:38 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: "chelsea morning" and "the house for unwed mothers" Kate wrote: <> That may be true as well. Perhaps Joni was using the imagery of the stained-glass windows from the church/house where she stayed as a young mother when she wrote "Chelsea Morning" later in New York City. Many of Joni's stories may not be true word for word, but the emotional inspiration behind the songs seem to be true. Joni may have rescued the stain-glassed windows by bringing them to life in her song. In the song "Morning Morgantown" she also sings about "I'd like to buy you everything.....A window full of colored rings". Mia NP: Tory Amos - A Sorta Fairytale _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:35:18 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: DJRD - Help!! One additional clue for you, Ron, is that it was written long before DJRD was released. It was "part 2" of Coyote from Hejira. It didn't fit the pattern of the album so she relegated it to her next release, which was of course DJRD. Maybe give Coyote a listen first and then play DJRD right after. It yields some interesting connections. Also, surf the net for some reviews of the album - there may be some additional analysis out there. One of the most baffling lines to me is: "But didn't I see a neon sign fester on your hotel blind And a country road come off the wall And swoop down on the crowd at the bar And put me at the top of your danger list Just for being so much like you are." Now that's a head scratcher. Obviously it's some small little detail of Joni's observations that has been broadened to encompass a more universal theme. I've thought that maybe the "country road on the wall" was a painting whose allure is so captivating to the crowd at the bar that they wish they could travel it - that yearning to travel that Joni examined so intensely during the '76/'77 period. I don't know. It's a wonderful song to discuss! - -Andrew ron wrote:hi >>>>>andrew wrote: >>>>>The crux of the song hinges on this line, I think: "The eagle and the serpent are at war in me/The serpent fighting or blind desire, the eagle for clarity." thanks. i must admit im only familiar with the name "carlos castaneda" and with the fact that he is/was(??) a writer. i do get the line quoted above which just kinda jumps out of the whole song the balance and continual struggle between clear rational thought, and blind unreasoning passion and desire. a balance and struggle which i believe joni handles abnormally well, with her ability to capture and summarise emotions and passions in a crisp, concise way , enabling people who "get" her music to understand themselves, and others better. >>>>>This song works best on a subconscious level, I find. so true. i absolutely love this song. but hardly understand anything about it other than the line above. the eagle and the serpent fighting in the individual, fighting in the culture. appearing in strange, & unexpected places. a basic attribute of mankind, driving him without him being at all aware of it. ive been spending quite a bit of time today reading & re reading the lyrics, & listening & relistening to the song. does anyone know anything about the writing process of this song? it comes across to me as a powerful stream of consciousness writing pouring out of the depths of her heart, rather than a long slow deliberate exercise. get a grip on this song & you get a grip on joni. obviously no easy task :-) ron Yahoo! 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Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:04:28 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Fw: DJRD - Help!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: ron To: Little Bird ; joni@smoe.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 10:51 AM Subject: Re: DJRD - Help!! hi >>>>>andrew wrote: >>>>>The crux of the song hinges on this line, I think: "The eagle and the serpent are at war in me/The serpent fighting or blind desire, the eagle for clarity." thanks. i must admit im only familiar with the name "carlos castaneda" and with the fact that he is/was(??) a writer. i do get the line quoted above which just kinda jumps out of the whole song the balance and continual struggle between clear rational thought, and blind unreasoning passion and desire. a balance and struggle which i believe joni handles abnormally well, with her ability to capture and summarise emotions and passions in a crisp, concise way , enabling people who "get" her music to understand themselves, and others better. >>>>>This song works best on a subconscious level, I find. so true. i absolutely love this song. but hardly understand anything about it other than the line above. the eagle and the serpent fighting in the individual, fighting in the culture. appearing in strange, & unexpected places. a basic attribute of mankind, driving him without him being at all aware of it. ive been spending quite a bit of time today reading & re reading the lyrics, & listening & relistening to the song. does anyone know anything about the writing process of this song? it comes across to me as a powerful stream of consciousness writing pouring out of the depths of her heart, rather than a long slow deliberate exercise. get a grip on this song & you get a grip on joni. obviously no easy task :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:05:39 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: DJRD - Help!! hi andrew >>>>One additional clue for you, Ron, is that it was written long before DJRD was released. It was "part 2" of Coyote from Hejira. It didn't fit the pattern of the album so she relegated it to her next release, which was of course DJRD. well it fits perfectly into djrd so thats all right innit?? perhaps the basis of the whole album with its whole questioning of american lifestyles? im glad you told me about the coyote connection. i always had the 2 songs linked in my mind because of the native american imagery - "coyote" and "serpent" & "eagle" i guess im gonna get shot down here for my next statement. i think the song is just too good for hejira!!! its too powerful, too raw, too intense, and with the wrong kind of sound. not as smooth & sophisticated as any of the tracks on hejira, but perfectly raw, innovative, and adventurous to fit in with the rest of DJRD.. btw - a truly excellent book which links american indians and music - "reservation blues" by sherman alexie is well worth a read. ron np = world cup cricket - sa losing to west indies - damn that brian lara!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: DJRD - Help!! I absolutely agree that DJRD would not have worked on Hejira. It's far too intense for Hejira, which has a very definite mood of its own. DJRD would have stuck out like a sore thumb, even if the imagery is compatible. It's also Joni's vocals that really give it that edge and her excellent guitar playing - it's so tight and it's got such a fun rhythm. I agree that American ideals (or their disintegration) do seem to be a part of the song's message. The inclusion of lines from The Star Spangled Banner and this dandy: "Here in good old God save America, the land of the brave and the free, We are all hopelessly oppressed cowards of some duality, of restless multiplicity." She also seems to want to point out the industrialization of nature, comparing birds to planes and serpents to trains: eagles in jet trails, snakes along the railroad tracks/rivets in this eagle, boxcars on your snake. And in a beautiful little twist she reverses the natural environments of both bird and snake with this line: "Big bird dragging its tail in the dust, snake kite flying on a string." Almost as if the world has gone a bit mad with "coils around feathers and talons on scales." There is a very definite conflict going on in this song - it is, by its nature, a very restless song, which I love. As you can probably tell, it's one of my absolute favourite songs of all time. - -Andrew ron wrote:hi andrew >>>>One additional clue for you, Ron, is that it was written long before DJRD was released. It was "part 2" of Coyote from Hejira. It didn't fit the pattern of the album so she relegated it to her next release, which was of course DJRD. well it fits perfectly into djrd so thats all right innit?? perhaps the basis of the whole album with its whole questioning of american lifestyles? im glad you told me about the coyote connection. i always had the 2 songs linked in my mind because of the native american imagery - "coyote" and "serpent" & "eagle" i guess im gonna get shot down here for my next statement. i think the song is just too good for hejira!!! its too powerful, too raw, too intense, and with the wrong kind of sound. not as smooth & sophisticated as any of the tracks on hejira, but perfectly raw, innovative, and adventurous to fit in with the rest of DJRD.. btw - a truly excellent book which links american indians and music - "reservation blues" by sherman alexie is well worth a read. ron np = world cup cricket - sa losing to west indies - damn that brian lara!!!!!! Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:56:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: DJRD - Help!! littlebird wrote >One of the most baffling lines to me is: "But didn't I see a neon sign fester on your hotel blind And a country road come off the wall And swoop down on the crowd at the bar< ahh, back to joni! & an excellent topic! well its been decades since i read castenda but i do recall some scary peyote trips taking place & the above lines sure sound like one of them! lol... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 20:41:15 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003 Ashara I am dreadfully behind in my email duties but this caught my eye. I am wanting and planning to attend again this year to keep my record perfect, but I have committed to so many other things with the fam and work so I cannot quite book it yet. In fact I probably can't till after the May season to know where I stand financially and with the time factor. I DO encourage anyone who hasn't attended to belly up and do it. You have NOT lived till you do an Ashara Jonifest and take advantage of all the hard work that goes into something like this and have a chance to hook up with some of the most amazing people on the planet. So don't count me out just yet. WHO are the lucky 19 that have already decided??? My best to you and I hope the war goes away and so we can all focus on the better things to do in life, like eat tofu, play music, drink tequila, and have ALL kinds of fun with our friends. Love Paz NP-New Dress-Jonatha DVD > At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I only have 19 people (out of > the at least 80 expected this year) signed up for Jonifest 2003. I am still > over $1,000 short of being able to send in the deposit for Full Moon which > was due on February 1st. I am going to call Full Moon to ask for an > extension, but at this point, if I don't have at least 20 more deposits by > February 15th, I will have to seriously think of not doing the Fest this > year. Please don't procrastinate any longer, and get the deposits to me if > you are planning on attending. And if you have been to Jonifest in the past > but know that you will *not* be attending this year, please e-mail me > privately so I can see if we truly have enough interest to move forward. > Also, if you are planning on attending and there is no possible way to get > the deposit to me by February 15th, please e-mail me privately and let me > know that as well. I really hate to be pulling teeth like this. > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 20:45:58 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gays' interest in Joni Of course then there is the thing that so many of the str8 guys on the list have been influenced by the whole thing and now we are singing versions of everyone's songs sung like the divine Ms. Merman. As far as I am concerned it doesn't mater who or what or where you are we all agree, good is just damn good and on the backside you are gonna meet so incredible people from all walks here. Best Paz > hey mitch: > > nice post. i'm the same, i never felt that i was connecting with other gays > by liking joni, whereas other musical loves of mine at one time or another > (musical comedies, bette midler, soft cell) did have a gay tinge. i didn't > come to this list for gay solidarity either, and i was kind of surprised by > how many gay men and women are here. > > it was an essay by cliff chase, that you can find on jonimitchell.com, that > for me crystalized something of her appeal to gay men, at least. like many > people here, my first internet search was joni mitchell and i consumed wally > breese's site. and that essay is still one of the finest things i've read. > i highly recommend it. here's the link to part 1 (there're three parts) > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/TroubleChildPart1.html > > best to you, > > patrick in ny > > np - kaija saariaho - chbteau de l'bme (dawn upshaw singing) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:24:00 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Chuck, Kelly, Nuns, etc... There has been quite a bit of talk recently of Little Green and speculation as to the meaning of the lyrics. I found this link on the JMDL home page tonight http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=624 Thanks Les. I had been looking forward to reading this incredible interview for over a year! I'm frequently amazed at how candid Joni can be in her interviews. For example, she plainly states that once married, Chuck reneged on his offer to raise her baby: `` Well, the gods in their wisdom had to put me through some travail, so at 20 in art school I lost my virginity and got pregnant all in the same act. I had to protect my parents from the disgrace, so I said I had given up my desire to paint and I was going east to pursue a career as a musician, which wasn't all the truth. My talent had not arrived as a musician; I was simply good at singing old folk songs locally for pin money. I had no ambition. I hadn't begun to create anything. I went east and when my girl was born I tried to keep her, but I couldn't get enough money together to join the Musicians Union to get the work. I was offered work in the States and the man who found it for me knew of my difficult situation and offered to marry me to give my child a home. She was in a foster home and I was just waiting to get enough money to get her out of hock. So I married him and he betrayed me. Once inside the marriage, he said he didn't want to raise another man's child. As they say, "make a good marriage, God bless you; make a bad marriage, become a philosopher." So I began to write.`` So there you have it, from the source. This JM interview is one of the better ones I've seen in recent years. Joni also speaks about her relationship to catholicism and nuns. Definitely worth a look. Michael in Quebec NP: the steady whir of my hard drive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:06:12 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: definitive covers My thought on this was not covers that we think are 'better' than the originals or became bigger hits but, rather, new approaches to the songs, in tempo, instrumentation, or attitude, that substantially reconceptualized the tunes to such an extent that the new versions pretty much became the definitive treatments. All Along the Watchtower is probably the best example. I think Bette Midler's slowed-down Do You Wanna Dance is another. Judy Collins's Both Sides Now would not qualify. Nor would James Taylor's You've Got a Friend. CSNY's Woodstock would. So too would, I think, Janis's To Love Somebody and, maybe, Bobby McGee. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:05:19 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Gays' interest in Joni/lyric question el paz wrote: >>>>on the backside you are gonna meet so incredible people from all walks here.>>>> and i say: which is probably the reason why there are so many sodomites on this list, paz!!!!!! now, what does "he heard her off to starboard" mean? it's from cactus tree. i can't figure it out! what is "to hear someone off"? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:26:17 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: DJRD - Help!! Okay, I haven't read Castenadas but to me, these images are shot through with Chinese ying/yang. The technology/nature. The serpent/eagle. And finally, we fall through the looking glass and see that one is the inverse of the other. female/male. emotion/intellect. These are all classic ying/yang. She kinda gives it away with "snake kite-flying on a string". Isn't that one of the features of Chinese New Year parade? Lama np: "Three Sides Live" by Genesis, a wonderful set to which I keep returning "done me wrong- same old song!" From: Little Bird >>> I agree that American ideals (or their disintegration) do seem to be a part of the song's message. The inclusion of lines from The Star Spangled Banner and this dandy: "Here in good old God save America, the land of the brave and the free, We are all hopelessly oppressed cowards of some duality, of restless multiplicity." She also seems to want to point out the industrialization of nature, comparing birds to planes and serpents to trains: eagles in jet trails, snakes along the railroad tracks/rivets in this eagle, boxcars on your snake. And in a beautiful little twist she reverses the natural environments of both bird and snake with this line: "Big bird dragging its tail in the dust, snake kite flying on a string." Almost as if the world has gone a bit mad with "coils around feathers and talons on scales." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:19:49 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 10 1974: Joni performed at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada 1976: Joni performed at the University of Cincinnati Armory Fieldhouse. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=721 1985: Although the official session wasn't supposed to start until tomorrow (possibly a press release to hold off the crowds), more than 35 Canadian artists - including Bryan Adams, Gordon Lightfoot, Neil Young, Anne Murray, Joni Mitchell, Corey Hart, Burton Cummings and members of Loverboy and Rush - convened in Toronto to record as "Northern Lights," a benefit to aid Ethiopia. The song - "Tears Are Not Enough" - was penned by Adams and Jim Vallance. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=906 http://www.jonimitchell.com/NorthernLights.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:19:49 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 10 On February 10 the following items were published: 1974: "Ice Cream Castles, Roses and Cold Blue Steel" - Ithaca New Times (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=130 1974: "Joni Mitchell's Albums Trace a Coming of Age" - Ithaca New Times (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=131 1977: "The Siren and The Symbolist" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=258 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #47 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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