From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #44 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 7 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 044 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Question for seller -- Item #2506076790/ Joni CDs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Claud, where are you [Steve Polifka ] Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [frasere@intergate.ca] Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Last chance for Covers #37 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] why joni-only in the first place [twoshoes@sasktel.net] Carnival in Kenora [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] joni content in my local paper... [Alison E ] Jonifest picture galleries [Chris Marshall ] Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Vinyl vs CD JMDL Digest V2003 #91 [Randy Remote ] Re: big yellow taxi JC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" [Randy Remote ] Re: why joni-only in the first place [Rusty10113@aol.com] "chelsea morning" and "the house for unwed mothers" ["mia ortlieb" Thought this might be of interest to JMDLers. Andrea & all, For those of you who may not know, all of these CD's that this Australian bootlegger dude has put up from his "private collection" (Puh-Leeze!) are available from me or a host of other JMDLer's for the mere cost of blank media & postage, NOT $30/cd! Bob NP: Lauryn Hill, "Forgive Them Father" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:09:09 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Claud, where are you Thanks to all who gave me the info on dear Caudia. Steve p.s. Jim, uh, I'm spoken for, too. ;-P At 10:57 PM 2/5/03 -0500, you wrote: >Uhh... Yer too late, Polifka. She's spoken for. :) > >Lama > >Steve Polifka said, >>>>>>>> >Hi Claudia, >could you contact me privately? > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:14:11 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" One of the features that Les has added to my Joni Covers webpage is the ability to link to the artist's webpage. This was a request made by a couple of the artists and with Les' help (always with his help & thanks Les!!) I am able to do that. Anyway, I'm now in the midst of going through the 1100+ listings and searching for homepages to link to. This week, while linking to Donal Leace's site, I saw a link to contact him. Donal Leace was a 60's folksinger who is still active today. Has a new CD out, matter of fact. His cover is of special interest to me because it's not only a Joni song that she never recorded, it's one that I've never heard ANY Joni versions of. Other songs that Joni never recorded have been covered, but in every case I also have at least a live Joni version. But in the case of Donal Leace's "Midnight Cowboy", the only version I've heard is his. Anyway, to make a long story even longer, when I saw the "contact Donal" link on his homepage, I couldn't resist the temptation to e-mail him and ask him about this cover. Much to my delight, he responded very quickly and gave me some VERY COOL details. Basically, I just asked him how he came to hear and learn the song - here is what he said: "Playing the same folk clubs, in the late '60s, I had heard about Joni for some time. I lived above the Cellar Door Night Club at the time I first met Joni. She played there in 1969. I was also a friend of James Leo Herlihy, who had written "Midnight Cowboy," the book and screen play. Joni was doing the song "Midnight Cowboy" in her set at the time. We talked about it, I told her how much I liked it. She had shown no special interest in recording it, for what ever reasons, so she passed it on to me. On night, in my apartment, she and her guitarist (name ?) played and sang the song into my tape recorder. I still have, and treasure the "live" cassette. Later I arranged it to better fit my voice and style. As you know I recorded it for Atlantic Records in 1971. I never discussed the song with Joni, but I did play it for Jamie Herlihy, the last time was, at his house in LA, about a year before he died, in the late nineties. That's it." Back to me now: Anyway, like I said, I thought this was a VERY cool story, and it clears up, for me anyway, some of the blur around this cover. And yes, I did my best grovel to get a copy of his "treasured tape", but he is (understandably) very protective of it. Sigh, maybe someday, someway... Going on a bit further, for those of you who may still be along for the ride, here is a list of the Joni songs that she wrote, never recorded, BUT were recorded by others: Winter Lady - by Gary Zack Carnival in Kenora - by Gary Zack Dr. Junk - by Ian Campbell Group Eastern Rain - by Fairport Convention Born To Take The Highway - The Foggy Dew-O Then there's the song that she co-wrote, "Just Couldn't Help Myself", that was recorded by O.C. Smith (of "Little Green Apples" fame). There's a story behind that one too, I'm sure...but I don't know it. Yet. Bob NP: Michael Hill's Blues Mob, "Evil In The Air" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 06:23:43 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" Great story Bob! Thanks for sharing. Best, Stephen in Vancouver Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: "Playing the same folk clubs, in the > late '60s, I had heard about Joni for some time. I lived above the Cellar > Door Night Club at the time I first met Joni. She played there in 1969. I was > also a friend of James Leo Herlihy, who had written "Midnight Cowboy," the > book and screen play. Joni was doing the song "Midnight Cowboy" in her set at > the time. We talked about it, I told her how much I liked it. She had shown > no special interest in recording it, for what ever reasons, so she passed it > on to me. On night, in my apartment, she and her guitarist (name ?) played > and sang the song into my tape recorder. I still have, and treasure the > "live" cassette. Later I arranged it to better fit my voice and style." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:30:12 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:23:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, frasere@intergate.ca writes: > Thanks for sharing. Thanks, Stephen! I find this kind of thing just fascinating. Mr. Leace did tell me that he wouldn't part with his tape "without Joni's permission", so maybe the next time you bump into her as you are apt to do, ask her to get involved and maybe we can pry it loose! :~) Bob NP: Michael Hill's Blues Mob, "Signifyin' Monkey/Watch What You Say" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 09:35:55 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Last chance for Covers #37 Just a reminder...I'm giving away copies of Covers #37 to the JMDL'ers who come the closest to the Joni song that I've selected. Just send me an e-mail guessing a song & an album and you're good to go! Contest ends Friday night. You need not be present to win. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:39:23 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: why joni-only in the first place In that case Rusty, why don't we just do away with the Joni-only list and exercise our little deleting fingers till the cows come home? Oh, and why do people complain about spam all the time? Just delete! What's the big deal? The principle of the thing is this: the Joni-only list was created for people who choose to focus in on Joni-related discussion. It's plain, it's simple, and gee, do we not have that right? No one has suggested it's the end of the world. What we are trying to tell you -- some of us politely and nicely, some not -- is that we would appreciate it if people would respect our decision to have a list that does not include posts about politics, economics, and all those other equally interesting facets of life in general. We can join other lists for those conversations. Okay? Yes, sometimes it is confusing whether to put the NJC tag. Right now, for instance. There is no Joan content in this post, yet if I put it in the subject line, the NJC list won't see this post which has to do with it specifically. And sometimes one just honestly slips up. That's not the same as someone deliberately posting their rants about non-related stuff -- and repeatedly, too -- while believing their action is all right because their opinion is fascinating enough that the lack of consideration on their part won't matter. It does matter. It's not life-threatening, it's not world-ending, but then neither is lack of courtesy and mutual respect. Yet it's something most civilized people try to incorporate in their behaviour. Kate du Nord http://xoetc.antville.org > From: Rusty10113@aol.com > Subject: Re: Joni's gay fans???? > > In a message dated 1/28/03 10:31:45 PM, littlebird3333@yahoo.com writes: > << If you > don't like it, delete it. The sun will rise the next > day. Life will go on. And your finger may benefit from > the exercise. > Sorry I'm being a bitch. But I am. (At least tonight) >>> > > AMEN! well said, couldn't agree more, i delete many posts based on a subject > line that isn't my cup of tea, and limited free time to read, but thats just > in my mind common sense... why the drama? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:09:08 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Carnival in Kenora In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:14:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > here is a list of the Joni songs that she wrote, never > recorded, BUT were recorded by others: > > Winter Lady - by Gary Zack > Carnival in Kenora - by Gary Zack I have to correct my statement above...she DID in fact record "Carnival in Kenora" to acetate, but it was never released. This studio recording is in circulation, but I don't have a copy. Probably of interest to no one, but I felt it was an important correction. Bob NP: Hole, "Reasons To Be Beautiful" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: joni content in my local paper... For those who find SLC incurably unhip, I say HA!! a link to a joni related article in today's Salt Lake Tribune. http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Feb/02062003/utah/26760.asp love and kisses, alison e. in (where else...) SLC Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:37:38 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Jonifest picture galleries Just a quick note to anyone that has links in their favourites to the Jonifest picture galleries: I've shuffled things around a bit, so any direct links you may have will fail. The top level link remains unchanged, and is the only one you should bookmark:- http://www.hatstand.org/gallery (I'm guessing some only-jonies attended Jonifest, and that therefore this is probably of interest.) Regards, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:26:30 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" Thanks for the info, Bob. I will update the Joni in Fiction "Midnight Cowboy" entry soon. Anyone who is curious about this song can find the lyrics at: << http://www.jmdl.com/fiction/film.cfm?CurrentPage=2>> Look under "Midnight Coyboy." (Duh!) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:31:40 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" I wrote: << Look under "Midnight Coyboy." >> And if you don't speak Colinese, try "Midnight COWboy!" --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 12:46:22 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Vinyl vs CD JMDL Digest V2003 #91 Eryl B Davies wrote: > >From Randy Remote's post > > >When it was remastered for HDCD, they eliminated those tracks. > > If they just remastered they couldn't eliminate tracks. It would be like > trying to take eggs out of cake. Yes, that's right > > What they probably did was to use a computer and a noise removal program like > Sonic Solutions "No Noize", "CEDAR" or Sonic foundry's "Sound Forge" to > mathematically remove the noise. These 'de-noisers' can work very well. I used Sonic Solutions to clean up a hissy intro on one of the songs from my CD. The other thing they might have done is to just remix, which would have been a pretty simple thing, since it's just guitar & vocal. > When used carefully these programmes can > perform wonders on old masters. Indeed many classical labels even use them on > modern masters to remove microphone and desk noise arising from distant miking > and highly dynamic source material. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:34:52 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: big yellow taxi JC Hi everyone they have been playing a new version of "BYT" on the radio here in the UK, male singer, sounds a bit like Rowland Keating, aimed at younger people, but it's good, but when I stop to listen to get the name , they don't give it, does anyone know who it is ?? What I like is he plays around with the song a little, which I like, not just another copy. Does anyone collect recordings of Joni songs sung by other Artists. "The times you impress me most, are the times when you don't try, When you don't even try" my favourite line(s) is it my favourite song ????? so simple, but says so much ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:47:13 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: big yellow taxi Freddyb4@aol.com writes: << Does anyone collect recordings of Joni songs sung by other Artists. >> Paging Mr. Muller . . . Mr. Bob Muller . . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:48:27 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: big yellow taxi JC It's by The Counting Crows with Vanessa Carlton doing backing. Not heard much of their other stuff but I like this! Sounds alot different from Joni's. Has much more of a commercial sound to it but it makes good radio. STEVE T NP: Virginia by Tori wrote:- > Hi everyone they have been playing a new version of "BYT" on the radio here > in the UK, male singer, sounds a bit like Rowland Keating, aimed at younger > people, but it's good, but when I stop to listen to get the name , they don't > give it, does anyone know who it is ?? What I like is he plays around with > the song a little, which I like, not just another copy. > Does anyone collect recordings of Joni songs sung by other Artists. > > "The times you impress me most, are the times when you don't try, > When you don't even try" > > my favourite line(s) is it my favourite song ????? so simple, but says so > much ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:54:28 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: big yellow taxi JC In a message dated 2/6/2003 4:34:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Freddyb4 writes: > Does anyone collect recordings of Joni songs sung by other > Artists. What a splendid idea! Check it out, Fred: http://www.jmdl.com/covers/ PS: The record you heard was by The Counting Crows. Bob NP: John Lee Hooker, "that's alright' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:19:41 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni & "Midnight Cowboy" This is interesting. I was curious, so went to the Harry Fox page (where people go to licence cover tunes from the publisher) and found "Midnight Cowboy" which is also the title of the theme to the movie. Then I clicked on Joni's name and it shows a list of her songs, including a bunch I didn't regognize, like "Daisy Summer Piper" "Day After Day" "Here Today and Gone Tomorrow" "I Won't Cry" "Like Veils Said Laureen" "Love is Like a Big Brass Band" [I hope not] "Moon In The Mirror" "Piano Song" "Play Little David" "Poor Sad Baby" "Portrait In Red and Green" "Straw Flower Me" "Two Houses" "The Way It Is" "What's the Story, Mr. Blue" Anyway, you can look them up yourself if you so desire at http://search.songfile.com/CGI-BIN/LANSAWEB?PROCFUN+HFAPROC001+DSPFRM RR ps did you know Sammy Hagar wrote a song called "Both Sides Now"? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > have at least a live Joni version. But in the case of Donal Leace's "Midnight Cowboy", the only version I've heard is his. > Joni was doing the song "Midnight Cowboy" in her set at > the time. We talked about it, I told her how much I liked it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:08:30 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: why joni-only in the first place all I can say is... ouch... ...as much as I appreciate your clarifying that Kate, I need to make one minor correction to your post... actually, I've received nothing but very kind, thoughtful responses to my question re the NJC tag, which I intended to be quite harmless... I think I'll head back to the relative safety of lurkdom for awhile.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 00:23:41 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: "chelsea morning" and "the house for unwed mothers" I was listening to Joni's Second Fret Sets (which I graciously received from a particular SC Joniguy), and after Joni finishes performing "Come To The Sunshine", she tells her audience about the inspiration behind "Chelsea Morning" which is next on the play list. I don't know if it has ever been mentioned here before, but I decided to transcribe it anyway for those who have never heard it: "Well, that's one morning, sunshine, love, and rainbow song. And I have another. It was written much later, and in a different place. You see, a long time ago I purchased some stained-glass windows that were about to be demolished because they were wrecking the house for unwed mothers that they were in - the unwed mothers were without, ofcourse - and I rescued them for five dollars each. And took them back to a very peaceful place and set them up in my windows. And every morning when the sun came up, the rainbow came in. Then one day, I moved to New York City, which is a very different place - - very different for writing under, because it's noisy all the time. So I put my stained-glass windows up. And I covered out all of the sky which was about that much in one corner, above the church, a postage stamp piece of sky. And I wrote a very different morning, rainbow, sunshine, and love song - - noisy as New York City." It sounds as if the house Joni had stayed in was demolished soon after her pregnancy. Also, is the "pretty baby" lyric from "chelsea morning" in reference to her little green? I know that Mags had written awhile back that she felt many of Joni's early works had references to Kilauren. This story just seems to reinforce it. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 02:00:31 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 7 1974: Joni performed at Boston City Music Hall - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 02:00:31 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 7 On February 7 the following items were published: 1974: "Concert Rocks Ithaca" - Ithacan (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=137 1985: "Names and Faces" - Detroit Free Press (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=906 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #44 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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