From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #42 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 042 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shadows & Light [KLCass21@aol.com] Re: Shadows & Light [Little Bird ] Re: Fave Joni Lines (Magdalene Laundries) ["J.David Sapp" ] Re Vinyl vs CD [Doug ] Re: Fave Joni Lines (Magdalene Laundries) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Re Vinyl vs CD [Randy Remote ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #91 [Freddyb4@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #41 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Today in History: February 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:35:41 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Re: Shadows & Light Andrea wrote regarding the Karen O'Brien bio: "I wholly suggest reading this book. It is frequently available on ebay." I heard it is to be published in the states in April, although Amazon lists it as available in May, hardcover for $19.57. I anxiously await! Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 07:43:51 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Shadows & Light Yes, it's very good. I know it has its critics but I found it to be really fascinating and informative. It filled in a lot of blanks for me and actually added a lot to my appreciation of some of her albums, Mingus in particular. Besides, little quotes from an interview I transcribed for the JM Homepage made it into the book, so that tickled me too. (The Speak Easy interview from Canada's Much More Music station) - -Andrew KLCass21@aol.com wrote:Andrea wrote regarding the Karen O'Brien bio: "I wholly suggest reading this book. It is frequently available on ebay." I heard it is to be published in the states in April, although Amazon lists it as available in May, hardcover for $19.57. I anxiously await! Kurt Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:35:36 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Fave Joni Lines (Magdalene Laundries) While I am sure Joni has some personal connection to ML she also has tremendous powers of empathy. I see ML as one of her best acting roles, especially in live performance. Remember she is playing the role of a young woman incarcerated into dreamless drudgery merely for the way men looked at her. Her friend Peg died and was stuffed in a hole. Plenty of fodder for venom in my view. And a much more effective critique than tearing up the Pope's picture. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:38:56 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: another great line "they jiggle into surgery so hopefully beneath the blade" Her delivery of this line on T'log really brings it to life. Ah Joni you're a genius. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:26:47 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re Vinyl vs CD The discussion on the relative merits of vinyl and CD prompted me to dig out my vinyl copy of STAS (bought in 1968 for $3.49). I hadn't listened to it in 12 years since I bought the CD. I have always been annoyed at the tape hiss left on the CD ("Why couldn't they have done a better mastering job!" etc. etc.) but compared to vinyl the CD wins hands down, much clearer guitar, better highs. Which brings me to another subject. Another poster mentioned a loss of reverb on CDs. In my experience transferring vinyl or tape to CD, overuse of the de-noiser will kill reverb. I've used this side-effect successfully on audience-recorded bootlegs where there is too much "room sound" but it may explain why they left some hiss on STAS. Does anyone know of a better re-master of STAS? I love that album. Speaking of bootlegs, most of the CDs I have are pretty awful soundwise. Probably copies of copies of copies etc. We need to locate the original vinyl or good quality tapes to make good master CDs. If anyone in Eastern Ontario has any Joni bootlegs and wants them on CD, contact me. I would send copies to the archive in SC Doug Merrickville Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:05:55 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fave Joni Lines (Magdalene Laundries) David writes: << And a much more effective critique than tearing up the Pope's picture. >> As a proud, hopelessly fallen-away American Catholic, even *I* was offended when Sinead O'Connor ripped up the Pope's picture on SNL. It seemed like the kind of publicity stunts Madonna was pulling at the time. I knew the whole thing would backfire on her. Then I went to Ireland (ten years ago) and saw how much of a stranglehold the Catholic church had on so many aspects of life there, and I could understand this young Irishwoman's anger. I wonder if this incident was treated differently in the Irish and European media. In the US, Sinead was trashed by virtually everyone. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:34:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Re Vinyl vs CD Doug wrote: > Does anyone know of a better re-master of STAS? I love that album. > The hissing and general poor quality of STAS was fixed when the HDCD version came out. It is a big improvement. Make sure it says HDCD on the back cover and also on the disc (in Europe some regular CDs got packed into the new HDCD packages) My understanding of the original mix of STAS is that Crosby miked a piano to try to pick up the strings resonating to Joni's vocals and guitar. Since they had to turn the faders way up, they added alot of noise to the recording. When it was remastered for HDCD, they eliminated those tracks. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:40:39 EST From: Freddyb4@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #91 Lori / Marriane David Cassidy, yes, I think he could have been more of a pop star, but record companys aimed his music at love sick girls, he could sing, and I have to admit I have an album (belonged to my Ex) "The Higher they climb" my favourite track "Tomorrow" ? What I don't like about him, is he still looks too good. I had pictures of Bobby Charlton and George Best stuck on my wall, well who would want pictures of girls on their wall?? I was a slow starter !! "who the hell is Bobby Sherman ??" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:42:51 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #41 Catherine wrote > Hey, it ain't me, Fred - Joni's constantly complaining > about being called the best *female* or *woman* > singer/ songwriter/ whatever. I think when it comes to > talent, a person's sex shouldn't make any difference. > I have a hard time with the actor/actress thing too - > I'm too used to saying actress when it's a woman. > Alhough men and women are both singers, not singers > and singesses. We're awfully inconsistent about that. > Well, in an odd sort of way, females have the better of it in terms of clarity of terminology. For example, I could say that Anthony Hopkins is my favorite actor, but the listener would not know if I meant he was my favorite male actor or my favorite overall actor. Because of the 'standard' carelessness of speakers in general ( as well as the logic 101 of it), I could also say that Meryl Streep is my favorite actress, and one would still not know whether she was also my overall favorite. But if I call Meryl my favorite actor (as I often do), there is no doubt what I mean. There is no simple term available for me to convey the same thought about a male. I think women can also be songstresses, in theory paving the way for a parallel clarity to the actor /actress terms noted above. As in, "Joni Mitchell is my favorite singer" (leaving no doubt where there already was none). :-) Bob'sart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 02:02:45 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 5 1966: Joni performed at The Chess Mate in Detroit. 1974: Joni performed at Avery Fischer Hall in New York City. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=875 1981: At a ceremony in Toronto's O'Keefe Center, Joni was in competition for a Juno Award as Canada's Best Female Vocalist, which she lost to Anne Murray. But Joni was also inducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame and presented the award by Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Juno81.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #42 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)