From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #37 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 037 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #77 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RV: WHY JONI?? ["Gillian Apter" ] JMDL Message Board [] If you want me I'll be in the bars [Gordon Mackie ] A line that bugs me a little ["Mark Tatum" ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [Mags N Brei ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [Scott Price ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni in Record Collector ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A line that bugs me a little ["Mark Tatum" ] Re: Big Yellow Crows [Randy Remote ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [Mags N Brei ] Re: Big Yellow Crows [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A line that bugs me a little ["Lori Fye" ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] A line that amuses me a bit [Little Bird ] A line that bugs me a little [Steve Dulson ] A line that bugs me a little ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A line that amuses me a bit ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! ["kakki" ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: A line that bugs me a little [Deb Messling ] Re: A line that amuses me a bit ["Lori Fye" ] Joni on CBC Life and Times ["michael o'malley" ] pyle on miles ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: A line that bugs me a little [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on CBC Life and Times [Catherine McKay ] Blush Master? [Little Bird ] Re: Blush Master? [Little Bird ] Today in History: February 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: February 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Joni on the global music fanbase [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:22:03 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #77 had previously suggested that Hejira was the last album that the general public bought; a new theory is that DJRD sold poorly because it was a double album. Lots of double albums did/do poorly (the White album, T'log); I believe there is too much new material to digest properly - It's not the right "chunk" of new material. DJRD sold over 500,000 copies ("gold"), I recall reading, in its first year of release. While not a big hit, that's still rather significant, especially back in the 70's when multi-million (multi-platinum) albums were somewhat rare. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:49:22 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: RV: WHY JONI?? My favourite Joni album? It has to be BLUE, I suppose, simply because of its emotional impact when I was a young slip of a thing. It still has the same impact, and that has to say something.: River / Little Green are just so, so painfully beautiful. But then you have the uplifting ones: sometimes, to cheer myself up, I belt out Carey as loud as I can, usually when I'm driving alone. Outside of Blue, I also love to belt out Your turn me on, I'm a radio, and being able to reach those high notes. However, there are just so many favourite albums...I also love her amazing ability to create moods and tell stories. I am back into listening to HOSL again and again, and her portrait in Shades of Scarlett..... is a 3-D experience in itself.. The images just jump out atyou, and you can touch almost touch Scarlett's face. Then there is Joni's sometimes scary knack to mirror your life, feelings, relationships, thoughts. Woman of Heart and Mind comes to mind. Her songs keep coming back to you, and this one did this summer just after I had "thing" with a younger man. She said the whole thing. I really liked the recent discussion on Down to You, but the exchange between you guys just hit the nail on the head about Joni: she is a poet with such seering insight into the human condition in these modern urban times... we settle for "less than fascination"... just three words sums it all up.. how we can easily sink towards mediocrity when we become needy.. Apart from Joni, what I like about this group is your sense of humour. You are serious, sensitive people, but thank god you lot like a good laugh. keep it up. But what bugs me is how such an exquisite artist such as Joni be so little known? Here in Spain, not many people have even heard of her. It's a crying shame. take care everyone gill (in madrid) P.S. Lori, yeah, Apter is a bit of a weird name. I'm not sure where it comes from, as my Dad never really knew his dad, and our family never bothered todo any research into it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 9:16:18 +0000 From: Subject: JMDL Message Board Hello everyone. I've been reading quite a few posts recently regarding problems with posts i.e. NJC not being put in the headers etc. and wondered again about the possibility of a JMDL message board to resolve the problems. I did a little searching and found that one already exists here: http://pub97.ezboard.com/bjmdlmessageboard What I see as the main features: Upside 1) No full email boxes 2) No risk of viruses or spam 3) Messages can be sent and read in real time (a real boon for those on digest or those in a non-US time-zone). 4) Messages can be posted on an Joni-Only or Non Joni board with few mistakes. The administrator can also easily transfer messages quickly. The frustration of Joni-Onlyites is virtually eliminated. No having to remember to type in NJC. 5) Message boards allow graphics, private messages, emails, profiles, moderator controls and other features. 6) Messages can be edited once posted. This would help avoid certain things being sent and then regretted. Also it helps the presentation of messages. 7) Subjects can be categorised more easily. i.e. important administrator messages can be highlighted etc. 8) Links to other messages can be utilised with urls, making cross reference easy. 9) The subscriber can alter the screens as he/she wishes to view individual messages or threads or only new messages. 10)Quicker and easier for people to use at work (and maybe no subpoena's) 11) Viewers can be 'membership' to post or 'guests' just to view. 12) Search functions Downside 1) The cost, although this is quite nominal. Ezboard for instance is $45.00 every six months after the initial six month period, easily found with the subscribers we have. 2) Ads. Eliminated with payment of the $45.00. 3) Pop-ups. Easily controlled with a good pop-up stopper. I know that some of the features are already covered on the smoe.org site but I think that the extra flexibility of Ezboard could be beneficial to all. One of the problems particular to UK listers is that because most of the posters are from the U.S. if you only have time to read the digest once a day the discussions have normally run their course or moved on to another topic by the time you get to them. At least on the Message Board you can post in real time as it were, and you feel as if you are actually part of the discussion. I know that regular posters from the U.K. like Colin, Azeem etc. cope but I notice that Colin tends to post a group of messages in response to previous subjects. I have spoken to Les about this and he has given us the green light to try out the message board on a trial basis running concurrently with the mailing list. I've posted a few messages in the General Discussions forum to get us started. Obviously the board will only work if people use it so please give it a try, have a look around and post a few messages. Ezboard has lots of interesting features and I am sure we can utilise them to full effect. Dedicated lurkers who do not want to post can view the messages as guests. Incidentally, just a personal thought. When you register it would be nice if you used your real name (I know most of you already do). This will give it a real sense of community and motivate poster integrity. As nice as it is to talk to Blazing Apostle or Spanky the Monkey or pyramus :) it's nicer to converse with real people. :) Cheers! ~Kevin __________________________________________________________________________ Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for just #6.99 a month for your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then it's just #13.99 a month after that. For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:57:15 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: If you want me I'll be in the bars Hi all Just got the music book of Don Juan's...( via eBay and the intervention of a friendly JMDler). Whilst many of the pieces don't work well on piano, the entire score of Paprika Plains is printed. Not sure my neighbours appreciate my attempts but I'm having great fun. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:08:52 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Crows In a message dated 1/30/2003 8:55:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > Shoooo, bop bop bop bop, But was it the version with the Shoo Bops (Vanessa) or without? Bob NP: Buddy Guy, "Please Don't Drive Me Away" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:30:07 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! Hi Gang: On August 6, 2003, Joni will appear at the Hollywood Bowl in Wayne Shorter's "Life and Music" concert. The concert begins at 8:00 PM. With Joni, Herbie Hancock is also billed as a special guest. The release says, "The consummate jazz saxophonist and visionary celebrates his varied career with some of his closest friends in this specially programmed concert." Right now, the Bowl is filling subscriber seats for series sales (This is in series JZ2). Others in this series of four concerts are Etta James (July 9), Joao Gilberto (July 23), and Medeski, Martin, and Wood (August 20). I am not sure when non-subscriber seats will go on sale, but you can try this link: http://www.hollywoodbowl.com No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:34:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! In a message dated 1/31/2003 9:30:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, CoyoteRick writes: > On August 6, 2003, Joni will appear at the Hollywood Bowl in Wayne Shorter's > "Life and Music" concert. The concert begins at 8:00 PM. > With Joni, Herbie > Hancock is also billed as a special guest. That sounds awesome! Maybe it will whet her appetite for singing with a small combo and spark a tour much like the orchestrated 'Stormy Weather' show did for her last one. Bob NP: Junior Wells/Buddy Guy, "High Heel Sneakers" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:48:29 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! Wow...some lucky person/people can go to this, then hop on a plane and still make it to NEJonifest in time. A full and complete report will be required dinner entertainment. Maggie > -----Original Message----- > From: CoyoteRick@aol.com [mailto:CoyoteRick@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:30 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! > > > Hi Gang: > > On August 6, 2003, Joni will appear at the Hollywood Bowl in > Wayne Shorter's > "Life and Music" concert. The concert begins at 8:00 PM. > With Joni, Herbie > Hancock is also billed as a special guest. The release says, > "The consummate > jazz saxophonist and visionary celebrates his varied career > with some of his > closest friends in this specially programmed concert." Right > now, the Bowl > is filling subscriber seats for series sales (This is in > series JZ2). Others > in this series of four concerts are Etta James (July 9), Joao > Gilberto (July > 23), and Medeski, Martin, and Wood (August 20). I am not sure when > non-subscriber seats will go on sale, but you can try this link: > > HREF="http://www.hollywoodbowl.com">http://www.hollywoodbowl.com > > > No regrets, > > Coyote Rick > Casa Alegre > Hollywood, California > > "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:53:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: JMDL Message Board Kevin - I checked out the message board - Netscape 4.79 couldn't load the page; in Explorer, though it came right up. And of course, the pop-up ads drove me nuts - are those eliminated with the $45? Or will we all need software? I'm all for a trial run. Once the pop up ads are gone, that is. Jenny - --- dean2302@fsmail.net wrote: > Hello everyone. I've been reading quite a few posts > recently regarding problems with posts i.e. NJC not > being put in > the headers etc. and wondered again about the > possibility of a JMDL message board to resolve the > problems. I did a > little searching and found that one already exists > here: > > http://pub97.ezboard.com/bjmdlmessageboard > > > > What I see as the main features: > > Upside > > 1) No full email boxes > 2) No risk of viruses or spam > 3) Messages can be sent and read in real time (a > real boon for those on digest or those in a non-US > time-zone). > 4) Messages can be posted on an Joni-Only or Non > Joni board with few mistakes. The administrator can > also easily > transfer messages quickly. The frustration of > Joni-Onlyites is virtually eliminated. No having to > remember to type in > NJC. > 5) Message boards allow graphics, private messages, > emails, profiles, moderator controls and other > features. > 6) Messages can be edited once posted. This would > help avoid certain things being sent and then > regretted. Also it > helps the presentation of messages. > 7) Subjects can be categorised more easily. i.e. > important administrator messages can be highlighted > etc. > 8) Links to other messages can be utilised with > urls, making cross reference easy. > 9) The subscriber can alter the screens as he/she > wishes to view individual messages or threads or > only new > messages. > 10)Quicker and easier for people to use at work (and > maybe no subpoena's) > 11) Viewers can be 'membership' to post or 'guests' > just to view. > 12) Search functions > > > > Downside > > 1) The cost, although this is quite nominal. Ezboard > for instance is $45.00 every six months after the > initial six > month period, easily found with the subscribers we > have. > 2) Ads. Eliminated with payment of the $45.00. > 3) Pop-ups. Easily controlled with a good pop-up > stopper. > > I know that some of the features are already covered > on the smoe.org site but I think that the extra > flexibility of > Ezboard could be beneficial to all. > > One of the problems particular to UK listers is that > because most of the posters are from the U.S. if you > only have > time to read the digest once a day the discussions > have normally run their course or moved on to > another topic by > the time you get to them. At least on the Message > Board you can post in real time as it were, and you > feel as if you > are actually part of the discussion. I know that > regular posters from the U.K. like Colin, Azeem etc. > cope but I > notice that Colin tends to post a group of messages > in response to previous subjects. > > I have spoken to Les about this and he has given us > the green light to try out the message board on a > trial basis > running concurrently with the mailing list. I've > posted a few messages in the General Discussions > forum to get us > started. Obviously the board will only work if > people use it so please give it a try, have a look > around and post a few > messages. Ezboard has lots of interesting features > and I am sure we can utilise them to full effect. > Dedicated lurkers > who do not want to post can view the messages as > guests. > > Incidentally, just a personal thought. When you > register it would be nice if you used your real name > (I know most of > you already do). This will give it a real sense of > community and motivate poster integrity. As nice as > it is to talk to > Blazing Apostle or Spanky the Monkey or pyramus :) > it's nicer to converse with real people. :) > > Cheers! > > ~Kevin > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for > just #6.99 a month for > your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then > it's just #13.99 a month > after that. > > For more information visit > http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on > 0800 970 8890 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:51:39 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: A line that bugs me a little Bob started an interesting thread about the line in DTY that bugged him a bit, and he received some really good responses. I also have a Joni line that bothers me a little, and I wonder what your thoughts will be. In Little Green, there are these lines where the mother tells the father about the child and he responds with a poem: He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer These are the lyrics as they appear on JM.com. and on JMDL. What does line four mean to you? Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:53:13 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: best songs to impress non-Joni fans I've tried so hard to convert my ex-boyfriends into Joni fans to no avail. (perhaps that is why they are ex's now :) There was one boyfriend who was really impressed with "The Jungle Line", but no other song. It almost seems like there is an unspoken rule between some men that one is not supposed to like Joni, even if one knows nothing of her. After hearing me being teased so often about liking Joni, my own son has caught on and is in on the act. He used to really like "Rainy Night House" and "Electricity" - - especially the line 'the technical manual's busy' - when he was a little tyke. None of my friends seem to like her either. Before I found this list, I used to think maybe I was a freak, and the only person in Wisconsin, or the world for that matter, who was in awe of Joni Mitchell. Thank God for this community! I successfully converted my mom by playing the "Blue" cd for her on a road trip recently. She is the same age as Joni, yet never has heard of her before. Mia - who may still be a freak, but not for the liking of Joni ;) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little "He sends you a poem and she's lost to you" My translation: The father sends the daughter a poem and yet the daughter is lost to the father. The first "You" is a reference to the daughter and the second "You" is a reference to the father. Joni is speaking to both parties in the same line, which makes a bit confusing. - -Andrew Mark Tatum wrote:Bob started an interesting thread about the line in DTY that bugged him a bit, and he received some really good responses. I also have a Joni line that bothers me a little, and I wonder what your thoughts will be. In Little Green, there are these lines where the mother tells the father about the child and he responds with a poem: He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer These are the lyrics as they appear on JM.com. and on JMDL. What does line four mean to you? Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:26:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little Mark Tatum wrote: <<>> He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer These are the lyrics as they appear on JM.com. and on JMDL. What does line four mean to you? Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother? some of my thoughts: One of my favourite songs... here's one read on this ...imho I think 'he' has made it clear that 'she' , the baby's mother, has to deal with things on her own with the pregnancy/baby. .. the impression I get is that he doesnt want anything to do with the situation... sends her a poem telling her so. the mother then 'explains' to her little green, the baby, that the reason why 'he' isnt around is that in fact he is a non-conformer..meaning that his leaving them is not so bad, he's just not someone who wants to be tied down in 'traditional" ways. sounds to me like she's trying to cover his ass perhaps, because she may still have feelings for him, on top of which, perhaps 'she' feels a need to protect little green from another truth 'him'. that's one interpretation. another might be that 'he' is an irresponsible sh** with no room in his life for babies so he takes off for warmer climes, leaving her to deal with the situation/pregnancy/baby all by herself. Mags You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:49:42 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little At 10:51 AM 1/31/2003 -0600, Mark Tatum wrote: >He sends you a poem and she's lost to you > >Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother? I think so, Mark. If you substitute "me" for the two "yous" it would read: "He sends me a poem and she's (Little Green) lost to me." I think the lyrics reflect the difficult time Joni was facing...giving birth to her daughter, the father running off, and her decision to place the child up for adoption. She's lamenting the loss of Kelly. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:10:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little In a message dated 1/31/2003 12:26:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Good question, Mark...and it's funny, I'll have to go back and give it another listen, because I've always HEARD: "He sends you a poem and HE'S lost to you" Which I interpreted as meaning that when Joni told him (Brad McMath) about Kelly, he sent her (Joni) some piece of flaky poetry as a response, in effect telling her that he was not going to take any parental responsibility, and therefore HE was lost to HER (Joni), and also of course lost to Kelly as the father. Either way, and any of the interpretations I've read work just fine. Bob NP: John Hall, "Calcutta" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:24:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni in Record Collector there is something called soundscan that tabulates sales via a barcode on the item...i'm guessing the period if for the (previous?) week as doesn't it change weekly? brenda probably knows the real details...brenda are you still with us i hope? >Is it the RATE at which they're selling (taken over what period), and do I understand correctly that sales only "count" if they're from major chains like Tower. What's up with that?< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:01:32 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little In response to my post, it seems others (Andrew, Mags, Scott, and Bob M.)also heard "he's" instead of "she's" and/or interpreted the line to indicate that the poem signaled the loss of the father to the child and mother. But accepting the printed lyrics as correct, I am wondering if they may indicate that receipt of the poem, instead of some indication of the father's willingness to take responsibility, may have also brought the mother to realize that she would not be able to raise her daughter alone. Thus, "she's lost to [the mother]." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:08:38 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little I have missed somehting major. I thought Chuck Mitchell was the father? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/31/2003 12:26:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > > > >>He sends you a poem and she's lost to you >> >> > >Good question, Mark...and it's funny, I'll have to go back and give it another listen, because I've always HEARD: > >"He sends you a poem and HE'S lost to you" > >Which I interpreted as meaning that when Joni told him (Brad McMath) about Kelly, he sent her (Joni) some piece of flaky poetry as a response, in effect telling her that he was not going to take any parental responsibility, and therefore HE was lost to HER (Joni), and also of course lost to Kelly as the father. > >Either way, and any of the interpretations I've read work just fine. > >Bob > >NP: John Hall, "Calcutta" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:10:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Big Yellow Crows Yes, it had a shitload of shoo-bops. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/30/2003 8:55:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > > > Shoooo, bop bop bop bop, > > But was it the version with the Shoo Bops (Vanessa) or without? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:18:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little Mark Tatum wrote: In response to my post, it seems others (Andrew, Mags, Scott, and Bob M.)also heard "he's" instead of "she's" and/or interpreted the line to indicate that the poem signaled the loss of the father to the child and mother. But accepting the printed lyrics as correct, I am wondering if they may indicate that receipt of the poem, instead of some indication of the father's willingness to take responsibility, may have also brought the mother to realize that she would not be able to raise her daughter alone. Thus, "she's lost to [the mother]." Mark, I still think that his poem , the proverbial kiss of death...see ya later alligator message to her (the mother/Joni) indicates that he's "gone" to California (or wherever) ... "split city" and the baby / little green is lost to her/the mother/Joni.(is now her problem, not his) .. meaning she is left with the responsibility/decision making process from there on in. As Scott said, it's a twist of you/she as in both are "me" or the woman who has little green. gawd ... hesaidshesaidyousaidweallsaid. Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:27:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Crows In a message dated 1/31/2003 3:10:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > Yes, it had a shitload of shoo-bops. Well, hopefully you'll be able to break out the pooper scooper & also get to hear the version they recorded originally. I ain't real crazy about VC's bubble-gum shoo-bops, they're too much of a contrast with the raw rustic feel that CC's bring to it. Maybe you'll win a copy of Volume #37 that has the original version on it! ;~) But the bottom line is that Joni has a hit song on the radio, which is pretty cool. Who knows how many youngsters will make the effort to seek out the original and become Joni fans! Bob NP: Ed Harcourt, "God Protect Your Soul" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:29:55 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little > I have missed somehting major. I thought Chuck Mitchell was the > father? No, Kilauren/Kelly's biological father is Brad McMath, a fellow art student when Joni was in art school. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:44:41 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little In a message dated 1/31/2003 3:29:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > No, Kilauren/Kelly's biological father is Brad McMath, a > fellow art > student when Joni was in art school. And further to that, Chuck initially told Joni that he would help her raise her child, but that was a short-lived promise and he renenged on it, forcing Joni to make her decision. For more information, you can go to our JMDL library and do a search for "Brad MacMath" - you'll find 13 articles! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:07:03 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: A line that amuses me a bit I've always loved this one: "I didn't know I drank such a lot Until I pissed a tequila anaconda The full length of the parking lot!" When I first heard her sing that line I actually muttered, "Right on!" under my breath. What an image! Oh, she talks too loose...too open and free... Thank God for that. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:10:46 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: A line that bugs me a little Bob wrote: >I've always HEARD: >"He sends you a poem and HE'S lost to you" >Which I interpreted as meaning that when Joni told him >(Brad McMath) about Kelly, he sent her (Joni) some piece >of flaky poetry as a response, in effect telling her that >he was not going to take any parental responsibilit Hate to say "Me too!" but that was what I always heard, and how I interpreted it. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:02:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A line that bugs me a little my guess is that the poem he sends makes her realize that he is not going to be returning or taking part in the child's life as a parent so the child has 'lost' her father but is 'lost' to the mother who is the sole parent...kind of a creative way of saying all that in only 3 words...imo i think the you has to refer to the same person (joni) because otherwise its just too awkward >> I also have a Joni line that bothers me a little, and I wonder what your thoughts will be. In Little Green, there are these lines where the mother tells the father about the child and he responds with a poem: He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:18:16 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: A line that amuses me a bit We had a whole discussion about this line last year. As to whether a Tequila Anaconda was an alchoholic drink - or the line Joni's pee made as it flowed away down the parking lot. Anyone care to open this again, or perhaps the Notches Libertaion Doll thread??? ha ha, just kidding gang! Donna (running for cover) >>> Little Bird 01/31/03 03:07PM >>> I've always loved this one: "I didn't know I drank such a lot Until I pissed a tequila anaconda The full length of the parking lot!" When I first heard her sing that line I actually muttered, "Right on!" under my breath. What an image! Oh, she talks too loose...too open and free... Thank God for that. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:42:32 -0500 From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?B?oEEgbGluZSB0aGF0IGJ1Z3MgbWUgYSBsaXR0bGU=?= mark tatum started an interesting thread with the following: "In Little Green, there are these lines where the mother tells the father about the child and he responds with a poem: He went to California Hearing that everything's warmer there So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you Little Green, he's a non-conformer These are the lyrics as they appear on JM.com. and on JMDL. What does line four mean to you? Are the two "you"s in the line both referring to the mother?" the responses to this question have been interesting, and, i thought, unsatisfactory. that line has always bothered me too, because, frankly, it makes no sense, and while the several interpretations that have been presented are interesting, they all seem to be stretches, in my opinion. there are three people in that verse. there's the guy who went to california. there's the singer who writes him a letter and there's the girl with the blue eyes. he, you and her. that's it. one can't start switching the pronouns around and still have coherency! the hard truth about that otherwise lovely song is that that particular line - "he sends you a poem and she's lost to you" is just plain sloppy. no sacrilege! she's a great songwriter. but she ain't no willy the shake, except maybe in her own mind. ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:52:00 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=A0A_line_that_bugs_me_a_little?= Ric wrote: > the responses to this question have been interesting, and, i > thought, unsatisfactory. that line has always bothered me too, > because, frankly, it makes no sense, and while the several > interpretations that have been presented are interesting, they > all seem to be stretches, in my opinion. there are three people > in that verse. there's the guy who went to california. there's > the singer who writes him a letter and there's the girl with the > blue eyes. he, you and her. that's it. one can't start switching > the pronouns around and still have coherency! the hard truth > about that otherwise lovely song is that that particular line - > "he sends you a poem and she's lost to you" is just plain sloppy. I disagree, I think her use of pronouns is consistent throughout the song. She's talking about the mother with "you", ie. you write him a letter. "He" is the father, and "she" is the child, Little Green. The following line: So you write him a letter and say, "Her eyes are blue" He sends you a poem and she's lost to you make perfect sense to me. She writes him a letter describing the child, how beautiful she is, and why doesn't he come back so they can be a family, ie. she gets to keep the child. He writes back (as Bob said) with some weird irrelevant poem and she realises he's not interested in the child, or in returning to help raise her, so realises the child is "lost" to the mother - she can't raise her alone, so will have to give her up. As someone else said, it's great economy of words! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:03:01 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A line that amuses me a bit Donna Binkley wrote: > or the line Joni's pee made >as it flowed away down the parking lot. > > > definetly that one..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:16:05 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at the Hollywood Bowl! YAAAAYYYY! Picnic time!! She hasn't played at the Bowl in years. I think the last time was the Mingus tour. Wow! Happy news, Rick! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:26:08 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little I don't agree, I think the interpretation that she's decided to give her child away is right, and this is an incredibly sad and succinct way of putting it. He sends you [the mother] a poem and she's lost to you [the mother]. She continues: Child with a child, pretending Weary of lies you are sending home So you sign all the papers in the family name You're sad and you're sorry, but you're not ashamed Little Green, have a happy ending. Couldn't be clearer, or sadder. Although I don't think she is playing with pronouns here, a very moving example of that was Earl Spencer's address at Diana's funeral, where he sometimes refers to "she", and sometimes to "you" when talking about (to) Diana. It's a tried and tested literary form, and often very moving, suggesting a splintered consciousness and emotional turmoil. Sarah At 4:42 PM -0500 01/31/2003, ricw1217@aol.com wrote: >the responses to this question have been interesting, and, i >thought, unsatisfactory. that line has always bothered me too, >because, frankly, it makes no sense, and while the several >interpretations that have been presented are interesting, they all >seem to be stretches, in my opinion. there are three people in that >verse. there's the guy who went to california. there's the singer >who writes him a letter and there's the girl with the blue eyes. >he, you and her. that's it. one can't start switching the pronouns >around and still have coherency! the hard truth about that >otherwise lovely song is that that particular line - "he sends you a >poem and she's lost to you" is just plain sloppy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:38:04 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little Do we really know for certain that Chuck reneged on a promise to raise Joni's child? That's a harsh accusation. Has Chuck said anything about this issue himself? >And further to that, Chuck initially told Joni that he would help her >raise her child, but that was a short-lived promise and he renenged on it, >forcing Joni to make her decision. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/03 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:43:01 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: A line that amuses me a bit > As to whether a Tequila Anaconda was an alchoholic drink - or the > line Joni's pee made as it flowed away down the parking lot. Our Lady of Duality surely meant both! Here's a recipe I found online, but it's in Spanish. I can read some of it, but not all. Who can translate this? ANACONDA 20% Tequila 10% Grapa 10% Ron dorado 10% Licor menta 10% Licor melon 10% Licor kiwi 5% Piqa colada Completar con pedacitos de durazno, mezclar. Decorar borde con blue curasao. (Enviado por Carlos Guerra (TDF)) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:56:53 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni on CBC Life and Times This show is jinxed! Damn, they've gone and done it again! The programme originally scheduled for February 25 (Part 1) on CBC Life and Times has been pushed back one week to March 4, with the sequel ( Part 2) scheduled to air on March 11. Check it out at http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_tv.html I'd say, don't hold your breath; we've have had so many false alarms, they may just pull it from under our feet again. Amelia? Can you please do something about this? Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:04:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: pyle on miles what IS the complete sentence? ''joni, you have more class than mick jagger, richard nixon, gomer pyle .... something something something" . what is it? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:42:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A line that bugs me a little In a message dated 1/31/2003 5:37:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Do we really know for certain that Chuck reneged on a promise to raise > Joni's child? That's a harsh accusation. Has Chuck said anything about > this issue himself? > I've never heard anything from Chuck...I can't recall the source but it seems like I recall Joni saying in print or in an interview that Chuck decided he just couldn't raise another man's child. If I ever come across the reference I'll remember to bring it to your attention, Deb. I certainly didn't mean to come off harsh about Chuck. It's none of my beeswax anyway, and Chuck always sounded to me like a nice enough guy, although a bit of a womanizer according to Joni's earliest assessments of him (noticing her legs before he noticed her hands on the guitar, & singing ballads in his act to attract girls). Who knows? He might've used the "other man's child" thing to escape a relationship that was making him increasingly more insecure as his wife's talent & popularity became much more than his own. Bob NP: Tori, "Scarlet's Walk" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 23:37:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on CBC Life and Times --- michael o'malley wrote: > This show is jinxed! Damn, they've gone and done it > again! The programme > originally scheduled for February 25 (Part 1) on CBC > Life and Times has been > pushed back one week to March 4, with the sequel ( > Part 2) scheduled to air on > March 11. > > Check it out at > http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_tv.html Isn't this typically CBC? Yeesh! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Blush Master? Maybe I should calling you the Blush-Master since you make me blush so easily! You're very charming, my dear. "The luckiest guy in the world -" thump, thump goes my heart. Forget pitter-patter! Gosh, we're really flirting aren't we. Ah hell, I'm not complaining! (Stop analyzing, Andrew. Go with the flow...) Anyhow, you're really sweet, Kurt. Like, REALLY sweet! I must say I'm a bit smitten... Anyway... The canal you are referring to is the Rideau Canal. It was created in the early 1800s as a trade route. It connects to the Ottawa River, which connects to the St. Lawrence. The university is the University of Ottawa. The canal is quite famous because in the winter it becomes the world's longest skating rink. Right now we are having Winterlude, a winter festival that lasts two weeks in the capital with a whole roster of wonderful activities for our fair citizens. It's lots of fun. You should come up some winter and we can frolick in the snow! The cold doesn't seem so bad when there are several hundred-thousand coloured lights on the trees, ice sculptures along the sidewalks and a three mile skating rink! Consider this an official invitation! Those lyrics were lovely. I'll have to investigate some more male singer/songwriters. Some of them are very good. I have Peter Gabriel, Neil Young, Seal; Leonard Cohen is my favourite. But I should broaden my scope, to be sure. So, do you want to write snail mail? I love getting letters and postcards. It might be a fun way to cure the consistently-looming winter blues and blahs. Besides, I have a "little something" I'd like to send you. It's Joni related, so that should intrigue you enough to give me your address!! (I'm SO devious - heh, heh!) Mine is as follows: 2001 Carling Ave. Apt. 1907 Ottawa, Ont. K2A 3W5 CANADA Well, Kurt, my warm blanket of a Valentine, I bid you a very good night full of comfy "peace" pillows and thoughts of me, of course! You're wonderful. hugs, Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:00:43 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Blush Master? oh my god. oh my god. I'm dying of embarrassment. PLEEEEEEZE forgive me, forgive me, forgive me. Oh my god. I'm off to die in a little corner now, all red and overheated. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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