From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #24 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 22 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 024 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: epiphanies SJC ["mike pritchard" ] play that weird minor... ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Play that weird minor chord ["Laurent Olszer" ] joni covers on our hit parade!! [Ron Greer ] BBC JT and JM [Jerry Notaro ] joni lyric for the day/week/month [Ron Greer ] Re: joni lyric for the day/week/month [Little Bird ] Smoking Is Hoping [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord [Dan Olson ] Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord ["chuty001" ] Re: joni lyric for the day/week/month ["Lori Fye" ] A New Standard? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Frank Zappa's house (minimal Joni content) [Steve Dulson ] Re: A New Standard? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: A New Standard? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A New Standard? [Deb Messling ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #45 -- Dancing Clown [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #46 -- new Kings and Ghandis [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #22 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #45 -- Dancing Clown [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Our Times ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Subject: "I Have A Dream", sjc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: A New Standard? [] RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #47 [Ron Greer ] Re: Frank Zappa's house (minimal Joni content) [Dan Olson Subject: Re: epiphanies SJC >>and we watched the "great unwashed " crowding onto the paddlesteamers that went from the pier head at Portsmouth Harbour...<< Unwashed! Hey, I resemble that remark. I washed as much as anyone that weekend. And I caught the ferry at Lymington, didn't everyone else? mike in bcn NP David Grey. Say Hello, Wave Goodbye NPIMH Mark Almond. Say Hello, Wave Goodbye ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:39:31 -0800 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: play that weird minor... Maybe someone else has already made this point; sorry if so. I believe it is Sue Mingus who is asking for the "weird" minor chord. It is not that weird if I perceive the request correctly. Sometimes when you play Happy Birthday, the chord that accompanies the final statement of "Happy Birthday" is in the subdominant minor rather than the subdominant major. I.e., if you're playing it in the key of C major, it'll go like this: C G Happy birthday to you, C Happy birthday to you. C7 F Happy birthday dear (whosits) Fm C/G G C Happy birthday to you. At least that's my take on it, and has been since 1979. Hope that's a help.... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:08:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord In a message dated 1/20/2003 7:55:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: > If I'm not mistaken, Wayne > Shorter has played with Joni coninuously since '78 (on > EVERY album since > DJRD with possible exception of CMinRS). Oh he's definitely on CMIARS...check out "A Bird That Whistles". The only post DJRD release he's not on is Shadows & Light. Joni has said in interviews that she would not consider doing a project without Wayne. Bob NP: Eels, "My Beloved Monster And Me" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:53:17 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Play that weird minor chord Les, my apologies for mistaking Joni's voice for Sue Mingus. This thread has evolved onto jazz. However, take Jack Bruce's music, if you're familiar with it. It's rock and yet he's got strange harmonies. Does this mean he's using the same kind of chords as jazz? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:52:05 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: joni covers on our hit parade!! hi leaving work on saturday afternoon i didnt feel like listening to any of the cds in my shuttle. so i decided to try the radio which i almost never do - i dont even have an aerial on my car so reception is pretty patchy. almost the first thing i hear is talk about someone hitting number 19 on the hit parade with an old joni mitchell song!!!! turns out it was the counting crows version of "big yellow taxi" - quite nice but *when* are people going to learn theres so so so much more to joni than "BYT"????? ron np - steve earl - NYC - El Corazon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:49:15 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: BBC JT and JM Need a clarification of the location of the JT and Joni concert in London 10-29-70. I have the location as both the Paris Cinema and the Royal Festival Hall. Which is correct? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:04:30 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: joni lyric for the day/week/month hi so do other people also get this??? that joni lyric that just sits there in your mind. when you driving you think about it, when you sitting on the bog, basically all the time its there haunting you, driving you to tears at strange times when the sheer beauty & genius of her writing just gets down into your heart. for the last couple of weeks or so its been "Im travelling in some vehicle, sitting in some cafe, a defector from these petty wars that shellshock love away" just thinking how much these lines apply to myself, to people ive driven away, to people ive known. its scary how much harm and hurt is done over such petty little things, where people just fight over such petty things. i just get so mad and so upset when i see people manipulating people into destructive situations, just to get a petty victory, with no clue whatsoever of the long term relationship damage they are inflicting. then they sit & whine saying "so & so never visits me anymore,,,,, oh shame poor me" mary chapin carpenter also puts it pretty nicely "you can have it, i dont want it, when youve got it, ill be gone" man, i love music, what would i do without it..... especially joni... ron np - steve earl - fort worth blues (stunning!!!!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: joni lyric for the day/week/month I know exactly what you mean, Ron. So many times I've had a Joni lyric just pop into my head at the strangest moment, almost on an subconscious level, and it tells me how I'm feeling, almost like a compass point for my emotions. Lately it's been "jealous lovin' will make you crazy if you can't find your goodness 'cause you've lost your heart" from Just Like This Train. I sing it to myself, just that one line, under my breath sometimes, when I'm alone, cooking or cleaning or being domestic. I think that line applies to a few things I've been feeling lately. I'm a jealous person when it comes to love and I know the pain it can cause. I'm trying to work on that! Other times it's a fun melody of Joni's like, "night in the city looks pretty to me, night in the city looks fine..." when I'm feeling upbeat and boppy. Music is a wonderful creature, indeed, and Joni is one of its masters. - -Andrew Ron Greer wrote:hi so do other people also get this??? that joni lyric that just sits there in your mind. when you driving you think about it, when you sitting on the bog, basically all the time its there haunting you, driving you to tears at strange times when the sheer beauty & genius of her writing just gets down into your heart. for the last couple of weeks or so its been "Im travelling in some vehicle, sitting in some cafe, a defector from these petty wars that shellshock love away" just thinking how much these lines apply to myself, to people ive driven away, to people ive known. its scary how much harm and hurt is done over such petty little things, where people just fight over such petty things. i just get so mad and so upset when i see people manipulating people into destructive situations, just to get a petty victory, with no clue whatsoever of the long term relationship damage they are inflicting. then they sit & whine saying "so & so never visits me anymore,,,,, oh shame poor me" mary chapin carpenter also puts it pretty nicely "you can have it, i dont want it, when youve got it, ill be gone" man, i love music, what would i do without it..... especially joni... ron np - steve earl - fort worth blues (stunning!!!!!!!!) Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:00:18 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BBC JT and JM In a message dated 1/21/2003 11:49:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > I have the location as both the Paris Cinema and the Royal > Festival > Hall. Which is correct? Simon's info is more researched than anyone's, and he states the location as the former, so that's what I'd go with. Could they be 2 names for the same venue? Bob NP: Eminem, "When The Music Stops" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:32:23 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni lyric for the day/week/month This is always a good thread, Ron...of course there are lots of Joni lyrics that pop into my head, the most recent being: 'Cartwheels turn to car wheels through the town' In the wake of my son getting his driver's license and realizing that there's no point dragging my heels trying to slow those ol' circles down. Bob NP: Equation, "What Did You Do Today" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:02:23 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: joni lyric for the day/week/month How about when the song comes full circle (the last line) "I'm travelling in some vehicle, sitting in some cafe, a defector from these petty wars UNTIL LOVE SUCKS ME BACK THAT WAY" My favorite album of all time: Hejira Joni's best album (IMHO): Hejira My favorite songs: Hejira (off Hejira) and Hejira (T'Log) Joni lyric for the day/week/month/LIFETIME I've been listening to disk 2 of T'Log over and over and over, and it gets better and better. Hejira is absolutely stunning, with the strings playing Jaco's lines, and Larry Klein complimenting them sublimely. I still have disk 1 to look forward to. At 07:04 PM 1/21/2003 +0200, Ron Greer wrote: >so do other people also get this??? > > "Im travelling in some vehicle, sitting in some cafe, a defector >from these petty wars that shellshock love away" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:03:43 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Smoking Is Hoping I close my eyes and drift. Joni is watching over me and my mate in these times of war. So much hate is going on around, and it's combined to hers. And she is a bit raging. That's how she heals from the tiny top of her age. I hope no bombs drop on haifa. If so i will let her voice free to remind me of better days to come. she was always so hopefull. Aren't all somkers? Thanks for stopping by, Love, Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:14:49 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord Thanks for correcting me (and strengthening my argument). Imagine how frustrating it must have been (for Wayne and Joni) to be constrained by contracts that limited Wayne's playing time on Joni's CD's (I seem to recall that on TTT, for example, he was limited to something like 3 tracks). And the reason that he wasn't on the Shadows and Light tour, was because Weather Report's label wouldn't allow two Weather Report players (Wayne and Jaco) to appear together in a non-WR performance. At 08:08 AM 1/21/2003 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/20/2003 7:55:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, >bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: > > > If I'm not mistaken, Wayne > > Shorter has played with Joni coninuously since '78 (on > > EVERY album since > > DJRD with possible exception of CMinRS). > >Oh he's definitely on CMIARS...check out "A Bird That Whistles". > >The only post DJRD release he's not on is Shadows & Light. > >Joni has said in interviews that she would not consider doing a project >without Wayne. > >Bob > >NP: Eels, "My Beloved Monster And Me" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:17:00 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord In a message dated 1/21/2003 5:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: > And the reason that he wasn't on the Shadows and Light tour, was > because Weather Report's label wouldn't allow two Weather > Report players > (Wayne and Jaco) to appear together in a non-WR performance. Wow, I never knew that...thanks for the trivia Dan! And I'm glad they had that in the contract because I like Brecker's plating better anyway. I think maybe I'm in the minority about that...I wish Shorter would play more tenor, that sound is just more pleasing to me than the soprano sax that he seems to favor. Bob, having a sax fantasy! :~) NP: The Flaming Lips, "The Spark That Bled" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:29:42 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan Olson" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Play that Weird Minor Chord > In a message dated 1/21/2003 5:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, bass@flatironsjazz.com writes: > > > And the reason that he wasn't on the Shadows and Light tour, was > > because Weather Report's label wouldn't allow two Weather > > Report players > > (Wayne and Jaco) to appear together in a non-WR performance. > > Wow, I never knew that...thanks for the trivia Dan! And I'm glad they had that in the contract because I like Brecker's plating better anyway. I think maybe I'm in the minority about that... We're in the minority I prefer Brecker as well Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:35:33 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: joni lyric for the day/week/month This one has been in my head almost daily for a few years: "Let me speak let me spit out my bitterness Born of grief and nights without sleep and festering flesh Do you have eyes? Can you see like mankind sees?" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:01:35 -0500 From: "Arlene T." Subject: Abortion Discussion You know, this is a discussion that will go absolutely nowhere. People have their staunch opinions and in my experience no amount of log or otherwise will change the other side's viewpoint. Why don't we just let it go? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:48:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: A New Standard? OK, so today I found out that yet another jazz vocalist has done a cover of "Blue Motel Room" - Claire Martin, who also has done a most excellent version of "Be Cool". So that makes 4 covers of BMR that were released in 2002. Not that it's going to overtake McCartney's "Yesterday" at any moment, but I wonder if it's slowly becoming a new "standard"? It certainly deserves to be! And is it the most deserving song of Joni's to become her next standard? In my opinion, these already are: Both Sides Now Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock Chelsea Morning Wondering what y'all think? Note: those who gripe about NJC threads maybe want to contribute to this one instead of complaining, or you know, start a Joni thread one of your own! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:59:12 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Frank Zappa's house (minimal Joni content) Check out: http://www.laurelcanyon.net/history.html - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:03:45 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: A New Standard? Bob wrote, of "Blue Motel Room": > And is it the most deserving song of Joni's to become her next > standard? Could be; it's a great song! Other deserving songs that come to my mind: Be Cool That Song About The Midway The Circle Game (already kind of a "campfire standard") Help Me Two Grey Rooms And you know there may be more ... ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:09:11 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: A New Standard? In a message dated 1/21/03 6:49:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > And is it the most deserving song of Joni's to become her next standard? In > my opinion, these already are: > > Both Sides Now > Big Yellow Taxi > Woodstock > Chelsea Morning > > I think Blue Motel Room is very deserving of being a standard. I would think ACOY and River should be thrown in the group too. You're king of covers, Bob, so you should know more than anyone :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:12:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A New Standard? In a message dated 1/21/2003 7:09:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMY FL writes: > You're king of covers, Bob, so you should know more than anyone :~) > You're right, Jimmy...I would add River (now a Christmas standard which I still find sorta weird) and ACOY to the list. And Lori, I forgot about Circle Game...it definitely is Standard material, certainly among Asian women anyway! :~) Bob NP: Patti Witten, "admit it" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:39:44 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: A New Standard? What exactly makes a song a "standard?" Just sheer repetition? So which Joni songs deserve repetition? All of them! (OK, maybe not Dancing Clown). In terms of songs which are excellent musically and lyrically and lend themselves to credible covers by others, I can think of Flat Tires (wow do I like the new version), Moon at the Window, Shadows and Light, Carey. At 06:48 PM 1/21/03 -0500, you wrote: >And is it the most deserving song of Joni's to become her next standard? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/03 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:05:29 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #45 -- Dancing Clown In a message dated 1/20/2003 8:09:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Ray's Dad's Cadillac - a ROCK song? Not to these ears. Dancing Clown is just > a dreadful song, period. You couldn't dress it up in anything and get away > with it, unless it was some type of burial garment. Lead Balloon is only > slightly better. I would firstly point to Raised On Robbery as Joni showing > that she can rock in the classic 12-bar style. Wild Things Run Fast (not > just the title track but many on the record) would be submitted as further > proof, not to mention her 1983 tour which re-framed several of her earlier > songs in a stronger more rocking vein. Of course given her vocal strength > (or lack thereof) at present I would submit that her rocking days are > behind her, and I don't mean that in any sort of derogatory way. > Geez....I've always liked the much-criticized Dancing Clown (it's no Help Me or Amelia, but whatever...). Perhaps I am alone in my affection for the song... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:24:19 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #46 -- new Kings and Ghandis As a few of us discussed off list today, the saddest part is in todays media and with our ever decreasing personal freedom, what chance is there that greatness or leadership such as Dr. King's, could ever be again. Who could gather the masses that he or a Ghandi did? How would someone of this stature be noticed and excepted? I think this rather insightful and important. In our media- and celebrity-crazed culture ("Land of snap decisions/Land of short attention spans/Nothing is savored long enough to really understand") , how can a real leader, someone who will inspire real change, possibly hold the public's attention long or deeply enough to really make a difference? It is troubling. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:29:31 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #22 In a message dated 1/21/2003 12:05:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > >You know that famous Joni line of course from the Mingus album. > > Not to be over anal about it, but wasn't it actually Sue Mingus who uttered > > that line? > I've always wondered about that. I never thought it was Joni, but didn't know who it was (only supposing it was Sue). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:40:11 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #45 -- Dancing Clown In a message dated 1/21/2003 10:06:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, BRYAN8847@aol.com writes: > Perhaps I am alone in my affection for the > song... > Yes, Bryan...when you dance with this clown, you're dancing alone. Bob NP: Tori Amos, "gold dust" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:58:03 -0500 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Our Times Generally I keep my thoughts on politics to myself because I really donot consider peace a dream I believe it is wholly possible in a world made up of very high IQ's - unfortunately this is not the case and thus any thoughts I have on the subject tend to be more radical than Hitler since I am sick of people sickening my peace with all of their piracy and other thieveries that gave the greater part of humanity a super jumpstart to a better life without ever having had one damned ancestor work at it to get it and they are still damned complaining about it! I say we might as well bomb the hell out of all of them and pray that the planet survives since reason doesnt work! (heh heh, I am sure now all of you are aghast - so at the very least stop kissing the ass of the thieves and start concerning yourself with survival standards ya know?! ha me doubts are greater!) The whirl of words continues S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:03:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Subject: "I Have A Dream", sjc Amen. I have only but to add the immortal words of David Byrne who said verily unto all, >"Same as it ever was." Lama Simon said, >> andmoreagain >> >>> Joni said, "They kill people who give hope in this culture." >>> Dr King said, >>>> When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:09:48 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: A New Standard? Wow! This is excellent news! I like Claire Martin as a singer and I think she has got this way of phrasing that unmistakably reminds one of the jazz phrasing of the great ladies of jazz a century ago. Claire Martin also covered Julia Fordham's "More Than I Can Bear" and it was a chilling musical portrait of a woman who imagined the other woman wearing her clothes in their room. I said before in the list that my favorite Joni song of all time has always been "Blue Motel Room" and its exhilirating to know that the singers I respect (i.e. Karrin Allyson, Claire Martin) are covering this gem of a Joni song. Yes, Bob, definitely a new standard! Joseph in Siberian-wind-swept Manila > OK, so today I found out that yet another jazz vocalist has done a cover > of "Blue Motel Room" - Claire Martin, who also has done a most > excellent version of "Be Cool". So that makes 4 covers of BMR that were > released in 2002. Not that it's going to overtake McCartney's > "Yesterday" at any moment, but I wonder if it's slowly becoming a new > "standard"? It certainly deserves to be! > > And is it the most deserving song of Joni's to become her next standard? > In my opinion, these already are: > > Both Sides Now > Big Yellow Taxi > Woodstock > Chelsea Morning > > Wondering what y'all think? Note: those who gripe about NJC threads > maybe want to contribute to this one instead of complaining, or you > know, start a Joni thread one of your own! :~) > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:12:44 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: A New Standard? > about Circle Game...it definitely is Standard > material, certainly among Asian women anyway! :~) Just curious, Bob, but what made you say The Circle Game is standard material for Asian women? Joseph in Manila ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:10:34 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #47 hi >>>david wrote >>Exact Audio Copy can be used to copy so-called "copy protected" cds. >>>Laurrent replied >>>>Sorry can't do it. Those buggers are specifically designed not to play on any PCs. It even says so on the cover. >>>>david replied >>>>I bought an import cd a few months ago from Europe that is copy-protected, and I was able to copy it to my hard drive perfectly using EAC. just remember that there are more than one copy-protection standards out there - tho the fake track around the outside is the most common these days. as i understand it, (tho i cant find the source of my info again) EAC is able to circumvent most copy protection systems as it treats the music as data, not as music (which is the basis of its superiority as a copy program!!) ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:24:01 -0700 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Frank Zappa's house (minimal Joni content) The page you listed here had this to say: "Ironically, it was in the midst of this renowned hedonistic revelry that next-door neighbor Joni Mitchell, absorbed in the tranquillity of the setting, penned the famed "Ladies Of The Canyon" album as well as inspiring Canyon guests such as Crosby, Stills & Nash to write similar songs like "Our House." I found the site extremely fascinating (I'm a follower of early Zappa). Other pages at the site might have additional Joni content. For example http://www.laurelcanyon.net/map.html shows Zappa's immense piece of property. It looks like there are two other lots (or are they combined); one (or all of it) has to have been Joni's. Does she still live there? Ironically, it was in the midst of this renowned hedonistic revelry that next-door neighbor Joni Mitchell, absorbed in the tranquillity of the setting, penned the famed "Ladie At 03:59 PM 1/21/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Check out: > >http://www.laurelcanyon.net/history.html >-- >######################################################## >Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com >"The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com >"The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #24 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)