From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #16 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, January 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 016 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 --- jm.com "facelift" ????? [BRYAN8847@aol.c] Re: jm.com "facelift" ????? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Travelogue Opinion [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] facelift for jonimitchell.com? [anne@sandstrom.com] DJRD cover ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 [MARBOLI79@aol.com] Re: JoniMitchell.com face lift ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: DJRD cover ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Smoking gun? [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Smoking gun? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: JoniMitchell.com face lift ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Travelogue Opinion ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: My Epiphany ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: My Epiphany [David Sadowski ] Re: My Epiphany - HOSL [Merk54@aol.com] Re: My Epiphany - HOSL ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: My Epiphany [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: My Epiphany ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: JoniMitchell.com face lift [Catherine McKay ] Re: My Epiphany jc now ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: DJRD cover ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Travelogue Opinion [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 ["Arlene T." ] Re: Does Joni swing? And Diana Krall [Catherine McKay ] Joni and Symphony Space in NYC [Aaron Goldberg ] Joni PWWAM on cable & more [Randy Remote ] direct link [Aaron Goldberg ] re;talking about Joni Mitchell with my writing group [Kardinel@aol.com] NION ["Kate Bennett" ] ACOY Covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The True Bush Agenda In Iraq [Kent Southard ] Re: The True Bush Agenda In Iraq [Phyliss Ward ] The unknown Joni [Little Bird ] "Yellow checkers for the kitchen" [Little Bird ] Note to Joni: 'hits' brought in a new rabid fan! ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama] Brian and Joni, sittin' in a tree- was "My epiphany" ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(] Re: Smoking gun? ["Arlene T." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 03:21:25 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 --- jm.com "facelift" ????? Subject: JoniMitchell.com face lift ????? Absolutely. Happiness is the Best Web Site Facelift. Sorry, I'm trying to make a pun and am way too tired to do it successfully. I mentioned the idea of a site re-do a few days ago and several people have contacted me off-list to agree. The idea brings up many questions and ideas, some of which perhaps only Jim can answer (Jim, you have our eternal gratitude for taking over the site, and if you are reading can you answer two questions): 1. Is the site going to remain a fan-volunteer project? 2. Do you plan to continue operating it? (OK, three questions) 3. Are you planning upgrades and will you accept assistance? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jm.com "facelift" ????? --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Subject: JoniMitchell.com face lift ????? > > Absolutely. Happiness is the Best Web Site Facelift. > The idea brings up many questions and > ideas, some of which perhaps > only Jim can answer (Jim, you have our eternal > gratitude for taking over the > site, and if you are reading can you answer two > questions): > > 1. Is the site going to remain a fan-volunteer > project? > 2. Do you plan to continue operating it? > (OK, three questions) > 3. Are you planning upgrades and will you accept > assistance? I didn't respond because I know nothing about websites and don't feel it's my place to comment if I'm not able to help out. I do know it's a heckuva lot of work though and if Jim is doing it all on his own, then he probably doesn't need the extra burden. However, if there are plans to do this, I'd like to offer my 2 cents. It's probably strictly a selfish request, because I've never met another person whose eyesight was worse than mine that wasn't carrying a white cane or walking with a gorgeous dog, but my eyes have a really hard time dealing with some of the high-contrast colours (such as red type on a black background, or any light type on a black backgroun). My preference would be for some softer colours that are easier on my poor old eyes, blind as I am. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:22:16 EST From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue Opinion In a message dated 1/16/2003 3:01:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > : Every single song sounded like a dirge to me. Nothing in the slightest > : bit upbeat, every song sounded similar. >> People have been saying that about Joni for 34 years. :) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: facelift for jonimitchell.com? Could the JMDLer who mentioned the Meryl Streep site please share the URL. I've done a search and have come up with a bunch of different site. Not sure which one you mean. And to Les (Hi Les!), if Jim wants to update/revamp the JM site, what do you think about using includes and templates in ColdFusion? (which I still call "ConFusion" but oh well...) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:01:12 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: DJRD cover There's been a discussion recently about the DJRD cover. That reminded me that some time ago in a book about Alex Steinweiss's design body of work for album covers from the '40 to the '60, I found a picture of an album cover for Stravinsky's Le sacre du Printemps. Now, if you look at that cover you might recognize perhaps the source of inspiration for Joni's cover. I have uploaded the picture on the following address: http://www.raffaelemalanga.com/img/le_sacre_du_printemps.jpg I'd love to hear what you think about it. Raffaele - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:09:18 EST From: MARBOLI79@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 I'd like to give a response to Arlene T. I'm 22 and am French and, here in France, Joni Mitchell remains mostly unknown, above all amongst the young generation. However, everyone here knows that song by Janet Jackson using a sample from Big Yellow Taxi (the chorus of the song, actually), but no-one could say who sings it. Well, it is easy to find her albums in record stores, but there's no diffusion at all. I first got my attention to her when I watched the Isle of Wight concert, broadcast on TV a few years go, and where Joni, dressed in yellow, cried before singing. Then, I borrowed in a library the Blue album, then the Court & Spark album. And that was it : I loved both. Then, I borrowed Both Sides Now (2000) and did not liked it very much (like you, Arlene, that voice!). Then I bought Hejira, Mingus, The Hissing of the Summer Lawns, Clouds, etc. She had such an influence !! I bought "Travelogue" and the least that I can say is that it is one of the best albums I have ever listened to. The rearrangements of the three Hejira songs (Amelia, Hejira, Refuge of the Roads) are so beautiful ! And The Sire of Sorrow, Chinese Cafe, Woodstock, etc. !!! No upbeat tempo here, but 22 great songs I can tell ! At nearly sixty, she cannot swing like she used to do before. She turns to philarmonic jazz, and that's all natural considering her career. Yours faithfully, Laurent. (marboli79@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:11:23 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: JoniMitchell.com face lift Well, I'd love to give a little help if at some point Jim decides to revamp the JoniMitchell.com site. I work in web design and although things get a bit hectic at times, I could put some time aside. Raffaele >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: JoniMitchell.com face lift I was having a browse through jonimitchell.com this evening and was overwhelmed by the wealth of information contained on the site! I've done a bit of transcribing for Wally, as well as Jim Johanson, (Hi Jim, if you're here!) and have contributed some content, but never really explored, in depth, all that there is to explore on that site. It's astounding to me! Having said that, I personally think that the site needs a facelift, or some sort of image change. I know that Jim feels the same way since he mentioned it to me once. I think the site would be wonderful if it was modeled after something like Meryl Streep's website, which is also designed by a fan: http://www.merylstreeponline.net I think it's so beautiful and so classy, streamlined and clear. I wonder if something can be done to improve the look of JM.com and give it the understated glamour and class of the artist it honours. Have a peek at Meryl Streep Online, even if you dislike the actress, and see if you can visualize a similar site dedicated to Joni. - - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:37:23 +0100 From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: facelift for jonimitchell.com? - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Could the JMDLer who mentioned the Meryl Streep site that was Andrew. > please share the URL. I've done a search and have come > up with a bunch of different site. Not sure which one > you mean. He DID share the URL. It is: http://www.merylstreeponline.net moni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:22:49 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: DJRD cover I think if you took a giant leap..like from the south rim to the north rim of the Grand Canyon..maybe? In all seriousness..could you tell us what you see in this cover to think maybe what inspired Joni for DJRD? I'm not artsy..but I will eventually get something. Splain? Bree.. now staring at DJRD cover ... >here's been a discussion recently about the DJRD cover. Now, if you look at >that cover you might recognize perhaps the source of >inspiration for Joni's cover. > >I have uploaded the picture on the following address: >http://www.raffaelemalanga.com/img/le_sacre_du_printemps.jpg > >I'd love to hear what you think about it. > >Raffaele > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:52:56 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Smoking gun? U.N. Experts Report Chemical Warheads Find in Iraq Reuters Thursday, January 16, 2003; 12:56 PM BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.N. weapons inspectors found empty chemical warheads during an inspection of a storage area in Iraq on Thursday, a U.N. spokesman said in Baghdad. The spokesman, Hiro Ueki, did not give any estimate of the significance of the find during an inspection of the Ukhaider Ammunition Storage Area. He said an inspection team had gone there to inspect a large group of bunkers constructed in the late 1990s. "During the course of their inspection, the team discovered 11 empty 122 mm chemical warheads and one warhead that requires further evaluation," Ueki said in a statement. "The warheads were in excellent condition and were similar to ones imported by Iraq during the late 1980s. The team used portable X-Ray equipment to conduct preliminary analysis of one of the warheads and collected samples for chemical testing," the statement said. There was no immediate comment from the Iraqi side. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:08:50 -0500 From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Smoking gun? U.N. Experts Report Chemical Warheads Find in Iraq Reuters Thursday, January 16, 2003; 12:56 PM PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT START SENDING THIS GARBAGE TO JONI-ONLY SUBSCRIBERS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:41:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: JoniMitchell.com face lift the meryl streep site is nice however one thing i do not like is that you have to do that enter thing TWICE...totally uneccessary to do that at all imo...i agree with catherine that some colors on others are impossible to read...go with the elegant rather than trendy look...i don't mind the site as it is now ... it is rather amazing with sooo much great info (i think we are talking about jonimitchell.com not jmdl right?) however if jim wants to change it then i say go for it!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:47:18 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Travelogue Opinion First of all Arlene welcome to the list and don't be afraid to say what you feel. Everyone has different opinions but one thing we all agree on is that we love Joni of course. Me, I love TLOG and it keeps growing and growing on me. It has been recorded so well and her voice is not lost like on BSN (that one really is painful to listen to). Sure I would have liked it if she played a lead instrument (acoustic guitar or/and piano) with the orchestra still there like on 'Down To You' maybe, but I'm sure Joni has her reasons for not doing so like I'm sure she has her reasons for not writing new songs. The fact is if most other people did this project it would have fallen down flat. Her songwriting is so strong. This is all just what I think and I'm not trying to force you to like it. It's just that I like it so much. Some of these versions I like slightly better than the originals ('The Dawntreader', 'You Dream Flat Tyres', 'Borderline', 'Be Cool', 'God Must Be A Boogie Man') and some perhaps could have been replaced ('Sex kills', 'Slouching...', 'Luwigs Tune', 'Just Like This Train') by a different choice. The other songs I like as much as the originals but in a different way. The songs need to be treated as new songs or else they can't take form. Her voice may not be like it once was but she still expresses so much emotion from it. Also after more listens new sounds you haven't heard before come out like with THOSL I guess. If this is her last album she's going out in style. Stephen Toogood NP: 'See If They Applaud' Thea Gilmore (forgot how good it sounds) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene T." To: "Joni List" Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Travelogue Opinion > : This is my first contribution to this list, so please be kind. > : > : I've been a rabid Joni fan since childhood, and even when she > : went through some experimental phases that I didn't particularly > : like, even when she (in my humble opinion) ruined her vocal range > : through smoking, I bought the albums to support her efforts. This especially > : applied to "Both Sides Now", which I can barely listen to. > : > : I've now had the opportunity on the Joni website to listen to samples > : of her new CD "Travelogue". I may be in the minority here, but man! > : Every single song sounded like a dirge to me. Nothing in the slightest > : bit upbeat, every song sounded similar. With so many wonderful > : songs to choose from in this world, Joni appears to have decided > : that only the most morose, plodding tunes are suitable for her. > : I can't bring myself to purchase it. > : > : Again, please be gentle with me. Surely there's someone out there > : who agrees with me just a little tiny bit! > : > : Arlene > : ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:48:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: My Epiphany >Epiphanies anyone? We I got HITS first of all after being intrigued by her art work and the fact she had so many albums and I'd never heard of her! I was captivated from the moment 'Urge for Going' started and loved all the tracks apart from 'Come In From The Cold' which I now love btw. 'Big Yellow Taxi' sounded farmiliar but on a whole all her music was new to me. I then rushed out and got MISSES which was like jumping into the deep end!. Out of the songs I liked straight away were 'For The Roses' and 'Harry's House...' (still 2 of my faves). I then got THOSL which I played and wrote-off straight away thinking she went mad or something! Then I got 'Blue' which I love(d) all the way through. I refused to believe that 'Harry's House...' was the only good track on THOSL so I went back to it and bit by bit it got through to me and since then the album has only ever sounded divine. After that I eventually got every Joni album! So I guess it was THOSL that made me realise that her music grows and is timeless. Stephen Toogood NP: 'My Own Private Riot' Thea Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:08:24 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: My Epiphany Back when I was in high school a girl I knew played Ladies of the Canyon for me and I was captivated. I think that the song Conversation kinda summed up our relationship... two people who maybe should've become involved, but didn't. Since then I have been hooked. Blue is still my favorite although I love most of the others too and especially like Hejira. For some reason I have trouble getting onto For the Roses. The same friend also played me Friends by the Beach Boys which turned me on to them and they have also been among my favorites ever since.... and that record is also one of their best. I always wondered what would've happened had Brian Wilson and Joni Mitchell recorded together. I've heard stories of him listening to Blue repeatedly at top volume back in the 70s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:25:19 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: My Epiphany - HOSL Stephen, It took me over two years to appreciate HOSL. For some reason I just couldn't get it. Loved Hejira immediately, but for the life of me I couldn't get HOSL - accept for Jungle Line - loved that immediately. Only through the persistance of a good friend did I finally come to appreciate this album, and then it was "Damn, why didn't I like this all along?" Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:23:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: My Epiphany - HOSL I love "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" (THOSL). For me, it's amazing on many, many levels. Eclecticism is blowing all through it at gale force. (One might say, Eclecticism "runs all through [its] circuits like a heartbeat".) The level of songwriting is very, very high and consistent. Her singing was never better or more interesting and the musicians are also varied and excellent. Some pieces flow into each other and some stand starkly in contrast to the previous track. As others have already mentioned, some of the stories are very cinematic. Other songs, like "Sweet Bird" are so anti-cinematic, so internal, so cerebral, and metaphorical, that the listener is forced to invent their own "film" on the spot. In spite of the eclecticism on so many levels, it hangs together as a whole, like a perfect, favorite, Christmas ornament. Like the Bible, it doesn't give up all of its secrets on the first "reading". Yah, I'd say THOSL is an okay album. Lama - --- Merk54@aol.com wrote: > Stephen, > > It took me over two years to appreciate HOSL. For > some reason I just couldn't get it. Loved Hejira > immediately, but for the life of me I couldn't get > HOSL - accept for Jungle Line - loved that > immediately. Only through the persistance of a good > friend did I finally come to appreciate this album, > and then it was "Damn, why didn't I like this all > along?" > > Jack Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:22:50 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Epiphany <> What was more amazing to me was that he came to her MUSIC by way of her PAINTING. Can anyone else here make that claim? I would imagine that quite a few people (especially young people wanting an introduction) would pick up "Hits" first. Bob NP: Dylan, "Isis" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:27:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: My Epiphany That's easy: "God only knows what I'd be with all the houselights left up, bright." Chocolate and garlic don't mix well. Next question? I have time for one more question here, before I fall. I'm the world's most opinionated man. (With apologies to Brian, Joan, and David in that order.) Lama - --- David Sadowski wrote: > I always wondered what would've happened had Brian > Wilson and Joni > Mitchell recorded together. I've heard stories of > him listening to Blue > repeatedly at top volume back in the 70s. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JoniMitchell.com face lift --- Kate Bennett wrote: > the meryl streep site is nice however one thing i do > not like is that you > have to do that enter thing TWICE...totally > uneccessary to do that at all > imo... That drives me nuts too. I think they call it a "splash" page, but I agree - it's unnecessary and in some it's even hard to find the spot where you're supposed to enter the site itself (like, maybe the word "enter" would be nice?) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:51:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: My Epiphany jc now We should print out his email and send it to her management..... :) With a note saying, "Hey Joni, maybe the 'hits' package wasn't such a bad deal after all. Here's a guy who 'found your door' and BOUGHT YOUR ENTIRE FECKING CATALOG! You can relax now. Love, JMDL. PS, Leonard Feather of downbeat *LOVED* Mingus. Get over it, baby. The water's fine and we love you." Newbies. Gotta LOVE IT! Lama PS, Translation for those new to Joni: For decades Joni flatly refused to put out a "Greatest Hits" collection even though the record company executives said they wanted one. Loosely translated, and in part, this means that the general public wanted one. (HINT! People who haven't bought anything from you will buy your hits collection. HINT!) Her take, and she probably has some experience, is that a hits package would "kill off the catalog". That means that she feared that people would buy the hits collection and never buy anything else. That's probably very true of some bands. [A new thread?] But the point is that Joni's quality is so impossibly high that I will bet that lots of people are going, "Wowser- maybe I'll spring for "Court & Spark" next." Once they "get" (and I mean "appreciate") THOSL, forget it. They have to have the whole catalog. Is there anyone who loves THOSL and decided to stop buying her albums with just that one? "He says [Impossible] as he hands you a bone and something is happening and ya don't know what it is; do you, Mister Joan--s." I guess every hits package has a shadow and it has some source of light. - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < correctly? That's amazing to me because it was so > recent. >> > > What was more amazing to me was that he came to her > MUSIC by way of her PAINTING. Can anyone else here > make that claim? > > I would imagine that quite a few people (especially > young people wanting an introduction) would pick up > "Hits" first. > > Bob > > NP: Dylan, "Isis" Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:01:06 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: DJRD cover Colours, first of all. The sienna of the land and turquoise blu for the sky remind me of the colours used on the DJRD cover. Then the predominance of the main figure on the foreground and the superimpression of a naked body on it. But what really made me think this cover could have been an ispiration for Joni is the fact that Stravinsky is one of her favourite composers - she might have had the original album or seen it at least. I know... sometimes my imagination goes far, but I truly believe there are a few links here. Raf >From: "Bree Mcdonough" >To: r_malanga@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: DJRD cover >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:22:49 -0500 > >I think if you took a giant leap..like from the south rim to the >north rim of the Grand Canyon..maybe? In all seriousness..could you >tell us what you see in this cover to think maybe what inspired Joni >for DJRD? I'm not artsy..but I will eventually get something. >Splain? > >Bree.. >now staring at DJRD cover ... > > >>here's been a discussion recently about the DJRD cover. Now, if you >>look at that cover you might recognize perhaps the source of >>inspiration for Joni's cover. >> >>I have uploaded the picture on the following address: >>http://www.raffaelemalanga.com/img/le_sacre_du_printemps.jpg >> >>I'd love to hear what you think about it. >> >>Raffaele >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:13:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Travelogue Opinion --- Seulbzzaj@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/16/2003 3:01:40 AM Eastern > Standard Time, les@jmdl.com > writes: > > > : Every single song sounded like a dirge to me. > Nothing in the slightest > > : bit upbeat, every song sounded similar. >> > > People have been saying that about Joni for 34 > years. :) > That's sure as heck what my Mum used to say when I was down in the basement listening to Joni - "What's that dirge?" ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:44:42 -0500 From: "Arlene T." Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 I suppose that because I was introduced to Joni at the very beginning of her career I fell in love not only with her poetic prowess, but with the incredible range of her voice as well as her tunings and beautiful melodies. I do realize that her tastes have changed over the years and I have incredible respect for her bravery in the face of the obnoxious music industry. However, as far as I'm concerned she really did ruin her voice through smoking (and naturally through no fault of her own just by the aging process). And I guess my own tastes have changed as well so that I've lost patience with what I consider the sameness tempos of the new album and the general downbeat feeling. And hey, she can swing with the best of 'em! To me, Diana Krall's version of "A Case of You" on the JM Tribute that was broadcast here in the States in April of 2000 just blows any other version away. Including Joni's original, even. Anyway, all in my humble opinion. Cheers, Arlene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:09 AM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 : I'd like to give a response to Arlene T. : : I'm 22 and am French and, here in France, Joni Mitchell remains mostly : unknown, above all amongst the young generation. However, everyone here knows : that song by Janet Jackson using a sample from Big Yellow Taxi (the chorus of : the song, actually), but no-one could say who sings it. Well, it is easy to : find her albums in record stores, but there's no diffusion at all. I first : got my attention to her when I watched the Isle of Wight concert, broadcast : on TV a few years go, and where Joni, dressed in yellow, cried before : singing. Then, I borrowed in a library the Blue album, then the Court & Spark : album. And that was it : I loved both. Then, I borrowed Both Sides Now (2000) : and did not liked it very much (like you, Arlene, that voice!). Then I bought : Hejira, Mingus, The Hissing of the Summer Lawns, Clouds, etc. She had such an : influence !! : I bought "Travelogue" and the least that I can say is that it is one of the : best albums I have ever listened to. The rearrangements of the three Hejira : songs (Amelia, Hejira, Refuge of the Roads) are so beautiful ! And The Sire : of Sorrow, Chinese Cafe, Woodstock, etc. !!! No upbeat tempo here, but 22 : great songs I can tell ! : At nearly sixty, she cannot swing like she used to do before. She turns to : philarmonic jazz, and that's all natural considering her career. : : Yours faithfully, : : Laurent. : : (marboli79@aol.com) : ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:49:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Does Joni swing? And Diana Krall --- "Arlene T." wrote: > >And > hey, she can swing with the best of 'em! > > To me, Diana Krall's version of "A Case of You" on > the JM Tribute that was > broadcast here in the States in April of 2000 just > blows any other version away. > Including Joni's original, even. I prefer the songs on T where Joni DOES swing. I wish she'd do more of it - she's quite good at it. I made a comment a while back about not being that thrilled with Diana Krall's singing style. However, I now take it back. I've been listening to a lot of her stuff lately and I want to hear even more. And her piano playing isn't bad either. ;) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:00:11 -0500 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Krall's ACOY Arlene, I will certainly agree with you on your point about Diana Krall's version of ACOY. I remember watching it with a friend, and the two of us were struck speechless by the performance. Thank goodness for VCR's - we ended up watching that performance about 5 times that night. And thanks to Napster, I downloaded a digit version of the song, which I enjoy listening to quite often. Now if Diana could only match that level of artistry over the course of a whole album! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Diana a great deal, but she showed what she was capable on that track, and everything else she's done pales in comparison - at least in my book. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:20:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #33 However, as far as > I'm concerned she really did ruin her voice through smoking this is not backed up by people who know-voice teachers. A voice can be ruined by lack of proper use of the vocal chords, by lacking of training and udnerstanding. It hs nothing to do with smoking. A common falacy. (and naturally > through no fault of her own just by the aging process). The ageing process does have a part to play tho agian, if properly used, that can be minimised. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Goldberg Subject: Joni and Symphony Space in NYC Hi, This is my first post to the forum. I've been a Joniphile for years ( too many to mention). Here is my contribution, my post: Symphony Space presents Wall to Wall Joni Mitchell, March, 22, 2003. Please go to the site: Symphony space.org for more info. Be sure to click on music. This is a great forum and I've really enjoy reading the posts. Thanks, Aaron Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:50:42 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni PWWAM on cable & more ALL TIMES ARE EASTERN Trio Network will run Joni's concert film "Painting With Words and Music" twice tomorrow, Friday Jan 17; 10AM & 4PM Other Joni related: Furry Lewis, the Memphis bluesman, has a small part in the 1975 movie "WW and the Dixie Dancekings", which FXM will show Sun at 2pm and again 1/30 @ 12pm I've never seen it. Also (njc): FRIDAY The Nobel Peace Concert on A&E 1PM with J Lopez, Willie Nelson, Carlos Santana & others The 1943 movie "Stormy Weather" features a number of jazz greats including Cab Calloway, Fats Waller, Bojangles Robinson, Lena Horne, showing on FXM @2pm SATURDAY THE ROLLING STONES live from NYC on HBO 9pm The Donnas on Sat Night Live NBC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Goldberg Subject: direct link Hi. For those interested, here is the direct link to "wall to wall " Joni at Symphony Space in NYC. I hope this will post: http://www.symphonyspace.org/genres/eventPage.php?genreId=1&eventId=287 Good Evening, Aaron Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:14:26 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: re;talking about Joni Mitchell with my writing group Yesterday at my writing group I mentioned Joni Mitchell to one of the members of the group. This woman loves poetry and is a good writer. We started talking about music and I asked her about Joni's writing-what she thought. She told me she never really listened to her but disliked the few hits she had. I told her about Joni's poetry and how well she wrote. She said,":You sound just like this friend I used to teach with. he said she was the best too." I told her I would copy some of her songs and she could read the lyrics for herself. When our break was over I went over to the table and told another member that we discussing Joni Mitchell and he said he had never heard of her! He's about 60 or so and was a professor etc etc. My personal experience is that most people know little or nothing about her work or stopped listening after Court and Spark. Maureen Walsh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:44:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NION not sure what is meant by significant impetus...could you be specific & & point me to where NION makes this reference, if they do...thanks kakki >>Another significant antiwar organization is Not In Our Names... Significant impetus behind NION comes from the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP). RCP identifies itself as followers of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. <<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:43:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: ACOY Covers In a message dated 1/16/2003 6:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, hejira57@worldnet.att.net writes: > To me, Diana Krall's version of "A Case of You" on the JM Tribute that was > broadcast here in the States in April of 2000 just blows any other version > away. > Well, Arlene...how many have you heard? Diana's is excellent, but these artists also turn in great ACOY's: Tori Amos Betty Buckley Michael Holland Brian Kennedy Prince Phoebe Snow Susan Webb Of course, there are many more...and there may be somone here who blows Diana away! :~) (In my opinion Brian Kennedy, Prince, Tori Amos are all better than Diana's...of course it IS all opinion) What do y'all who have lots of covers think? Bob NP: Bent, "Five" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:02:00 -0800 From: Kent Southard Subject: The True Bush Agenda In Iraq I've browsed this place for some months now, having become an ardent lover of the sublime Ms. Mitchell. I feel somewhat odd using my first post here on a political subject, but the issue is of such import, and the truth of the matter is in such short supply, I feel compelled to put this forward. It's generally been printed in only the 'better' papers, but this war on Iraq has been desired and planned, by Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, etc., for some years now; as the first step towards American military domination of the oil of the Middle East. Their plan was codified most recently in the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) written in the fall of 2000, in which they openly stated the need for a new 'Pearl Harbor' in order to galvanize American public support for such a plan - this was supplied by 9/11. Saddam Hussein and whatever WMD may remain are fairly beside the point - Hussein was largely a creation of the Reagan/Bush years because he was seen as a counter-weight to revolutionary Iran; those administrations were Hussein's major suppliers of WMD, chemical and bio weapons included; and has been emphasized with recovered video clips, Donald Rumsfeld was basically the chief sales rep on the account, smiling broadly while shaking Hussein's hand. When Hussein sought to invade Kuwait because they were drilling slantwise under the border, he sought our permission, and our ambassador, April Glaspie, gave it. Hussein's a thug, but he was 'our' thug, and he's never been stupid enough to threaten us. The essential purpose of the entirety of the Bush administration is to establish this global empire based on military domination of the world's oil. It began office by announcing a huge, new 'energy crisis,' the evidence of which was provided by Enron and its other buddies who immediately jacked up the electricity prices here in California; and something that's been forgotten, gasoline prices immediately doubled too, even though, as reported in the Orange County Register, refineries had so much gasoline on inventory they were running out of room to store it. So they cooked up a phony energy crisis in order to get support for their then unannounced ambitions; but then Jeffords switched and the GOP no longer controlled the government, and the 'energy crisis' disappeared. Meanwhile, the Bush administration had re-opened negotiations with the Taliban, cut off by Clinton because of their human rights record, for the building of oil and gas pipelines through Afghanistan; these pipelines providing access to the reserves of the Caspian Sea, thought to be among the world's largest. The Taliban wasn't coming around, so Bush's representative, Tom Simons, told them 'Either accept our carpet of gold, or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs.' This was in late July 2001, I believe. Hamid Kharzai, the new 'President' of Afghanistan, is a former Unocal employee. Those pipelines are now being built. Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, nothing to do with Wahabi fundamentalist terrorism. The CIA funded bin Laden as part of its effort to contain and subvert the Soviet Union with Islamic fundamentalism, and what we have now is what's known as 'Blowback,' or the threat of unintended consequences. If there were to be popular elections in Saudi Arabia, where bin Laden and most of the hijackers are from, bin Laden would probably be elected President. Which is probably the immediate impetus for invading Iraq - Wahabism is so strong in Saudi Arabia that the House of Saud could fall pretty soon, and so no more cheap oil for us. We get Iraq, we get the cheap oil, we get a permanent military base to keep Saudi Arabia in line, whether Wahabi or not. It's not about finding a dozen empty artillery shells. Hell, Rumsfeld said last year the Pentagon couldn't account for $4 trillion worth of spending over the last few decades. Avusblue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:58:06 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: The True Bush Agenda In Iraq Kent Southard wrote: > I feel somewhat odd using my first post here on a political subject And, since you are new, may I gently request that you please follow list etiquette by placing the letters NJC (No Joni Content) in your subject line in the future? That is, at least when the subject is clearly not Joni. Thanks, Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:18:21 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: ACOY Covers Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > > Well, Arlene...how many have you heard? Diana's is excellent, but these > artists also turn in great ACOY's: > > Tori Amos > Betty Buckley > Michael Holland > Brian Kennedy > Prince > Phoebe Snow > Susan Webb Well, Bob, the only one I have from this list is Prince. As much as I love Diana Krall's take on it, Prince blows it/her away! Man, he IS good. Perhaps it's time for a new sweet 16???? best Stephen in Vancouver NP: Misles of Aisles- Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:47:15 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: My Epiphany - HOSL I think for me when (snowplow just went by..scraping) I listen to THOSL..I realize what a musical genius she is. Every time I listen..I never tire...I think this thought or along this line: "wow...where did this come from?!" I do agree with you Jim..her voice was at it's pinnacle. It's timeless..she's timeless..A MASTERPIECE! (I loved it at first listen..and the love has only increased) Bree >I love "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" (THOSL). For me, >it's amazing on many, many levels. Eclecticism is >blowing all through it at gale force. (One might say, >Eclecticism "runs all through [its] circuits like a >heartbeat".) The level of songwriting is very, very >high and consistent. > >Her singing was never better or more interesting and >the musicians are also varied and excellent. > >As others have already mentioned, some of the stories >are very cinematic. Other songs, like "Sweet Bird" >are so anti-cinematic, so internal, so cerebral, and >metaphorical, that the listener is forced to invent >their own "film" on the spot. In spite of the >eclecticism on so many levels, it hangs together as a >whole, like a perfect, favorite, Christmas ornament. > > >Lama > > >--- Merk54@aol.com wrote: > > Stephen, > > > > It took me over two years to appreciate HOSL. For > > some reason I just couldn't get it. Loved Hejira > > immediately, but for the life of me I couldn't get > > HOSL - accept for Jungle Line - loved that > > immediately. Only through the persistance of a good > > friend did I finally come to appreciate this album, > > and then it was "Damn, why didn't I like this all > > along?" > > > > Jack >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:59:41 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: The unknown Joni > My personal experience is that most people know little or nothing about her work or stopped listening after Court and Spark.> That's interesting because I've noticed a similar kind of theme. I think that anyone who takes music seriously (pop/rock/folk/jazz) will know who Joni Mitchell is. Whether they can name her albums or recite the lyrics to one of her songs is another matter, but they'll know who she is and at least have a vague idea about her significant contribution to music. For people who don't take music seriously, for those who get their daily dose of tunes from the FM radio on the drive to work or who only like "songs with beats" will probably not know who Joni is. If they do it's thanks to Janet Jackson or one of her modern tributaries, and even then their understanding of "Joni Mitchell" will be vague at best: "Isn't she, like, that blond folk singer from, like, a THOUSAND years ago?" Surprisingly, my parents did not really know who Joni Mitchell was until I started listening to her records at full volume before bedtime - "Turn that woman off!" they'd shout. Gradually they came to respect my respect for Joni Mitchell and learned a lot about her in the process. The simple fact that she is Canadian endears her to my mother (our clan is Canadian, you see) and her artwork has inspired my mom to buy her book from the Mendel. But until I imported Joni into our home, my mom thought she was an American folk who raised hippies under her skirt. So, you can't even say it's a generational thing. Many baby boomers don't know who she is, or simply don't care, or they know but only vaguely. Conversely, many people my age and younger do know who she is and enjoy her work tremendously. So, my conclusion is that it's based on an appreciation and understanding of the music scene. If you follow music, if you enjoy its history and its "culture" you will know who Joni Mitchell is. If you only like "songs with beats" may God have mercy on your sorry ass. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: "Yellow checkers for the kitchen" My absolute favourite moment from HOSL is the lead into "Harry's House/Centerpiece." It gives me chills each time I hear it. I visualize so much in those first few seconds of the song when the horn samples swell up and then down again, like a plane on a runway through the ripples of heatwaves. Later in the song I love Joni's vocal fade-in to "Centerpiece." This is as an example of the cinematic aspect of the record; her vocal fade-in mirrors a visual one...things go blurry and a dream sequence of memories begins as Harry drifts off in his big old Lay-Z-Boy: "The more I'm with you, pretty baby..." That song is the spine of the record. It encapsulates all of its themes in one glorious, brilliant track. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:08:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Note to Joni: 'hits' brought in a new rabid fan! If anyone lurking can get this to Joni's management, I'd appreciate it. I love this post so I'm re-posting it in its entirety. Lama (Jim L'Hommedieu of Covington, Kentucky, USA) - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:48:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: My Epiphany >Epiphanies anyone? We I got HITS first of all after being intrigued by her art work and the fact she had so many albums and I'd never heard of her! I was captivated from the moment 'Urge for Going' started and loved all the tracks apart from 'Come In From The Cold' which I now love btw. 'Big Yellow Taxi' sounded familiar but on a whole all her music was new to me. I then rushed out and got MISSES which was like jumping into the deep end!. Out of the songs I liked straight away were 'For The Roses' and 'Harry's House...' (still 2 of my faves). I then got THOSL which I played and wrote-off straight away thinking she went mad or something! Then I got 'Blue' which I love(d) all the way through. I refused to believe that 'Harry's House...' was the only good track on THOSL so I went back to it and bit by bit it got through to me and since then the album has only ever sounded divine. After that I eventually got every Joni album! So I guess it was THOSL that made me realize that her music grows and is timeless. Stephen Toogood NP: 'My Own Private Riot' Thea Gilmore - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:21:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Brian and Joni, sittin' in a tree- was "My epiphany" Really? I'll take your word for it although I'd appreciate a second opinion from Claud9's roomie. Anyway, a different metaphor is in order. How 'bout....... Brian Wilson and Joni writing a song together wouldn't work because........ 'Altoids (TM) breath mints and Ricola (TM) breath mints don't mix.' Better? As Rosie O'Donnell said, "Oh, that's awful." Lama "RSM" said, >>>> Not to quibble with your critique of a Mitchell/Wilson collaboration, but a good Mexican chicken mole will blend chocolate and garlic in a heavenly fashion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:49:50 -0500 From: "Arlene T." Subject: Re: Smoking gun? Oh boy. "Come on all of you big strong men, Uncle Sam needs your help again..." Heaven help the children who are sent to war. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Smoking gun? : U.N. Experts Report Chemical Warheads Find in Iraq : Reuters : Thursday, January 16, 2003; 12:56 PM : : BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.N. weapons inspectors found empty chemical warheads : during an inspection of a storage area in Iraq on Thursday, a U.N. spokesman : said in Baghdad. : : The spokesman, Hiro Ueki, did not give any estimate of the significance of : the find during an inspection of the Ukhaider Ammunition Storage Area. He : said an inspection team had gone there to inspect a large group of bunkers : constructed in the late 1990s. : : "During the course of their inspection, the team discovered 11 empty 122 mm : chemical warheads and one warhead that requires further evaluation," Ueki : said in a statement. : : "The warheads were in excellent condition and were similar to ones imported : by Iraq during the late 1980s. The team used portable X-Ray equipment to : conduct preliminary analysis of one of the warheads and collected samples : for chemical testing," the statement said. : : There was no immediate comment from the Iraqi side. : ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #16 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)