From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #13 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 013 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- folk music ["mike pritchard" ] epiphanies anyone? ["mike pritchard" ] What's getting the most airplay from T? ["Paul Castle" ] Re: epiphanies anyone? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: folk music [Jerry Notaro ] RAIN (sjc) [Thomas Ross ] Re: Top 10 CDs of 2002 ["Happy The Man" ] Joni as a Muse ["Laurent Olszer" ] Cookbook [CherokeeLouise@aol.com] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Martha likes Joni [SMC1254@aol.com] Joni in New York Times Society Pages 1/12/03 ["Tortorici, Frank" ] Re: NY Times Travelogue review [KJHSF@aol.com] Fwd: epiphanies anyone? [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: folk music ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NY Times Travelogue review ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NY Times Travelogue review ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NY Times review of Travelogue [FredNow@aol.com] "Guitar Girls" in Sarasota (from Joan List) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Fwd: epiphanies anyone? [Little Bird ] more epiphanies [Little Bird ] Re: Joni PWWAM ["kakki" ] Joni on CBC [Doug ] Re: NY Times review of Travelogue [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 -- airplay [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 -- NYC event [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Today's Library Links: January 14 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:24:32 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: folk music I decided to play Joni's Mingus CD on the computer the other night and for some reason Real Player kicked in instead of the usual cd player. No big deal but when I looked at the 'genre' slot it described it as 'folk' music. How should I react? mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:36:41 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: epiphanies anyone? And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise with her music. I don't know how she sort of crept into my musical life but it certainly wasn't with a bang. I clearly remember hearing 'Space Oddity' and 'In the Court of the Crimson King' for the first time and thinking 'wow', and even more so with Chicago's 'Introduction', the day I fell in love with the sound of a trombone. In Britain in those days the only time we heard trombones was in the brass bands or the Dixieland jazz bands. Neither sounded good to me but when I heard 'Introduction' I couldn't believe how beautiful the sound was, nor in fact the mixture of rock instrumentation and a horn section. I suppose this was the moment I started to listen to jazz in a serious way. Getting back to Joni it seemed that she was always there. I had heard some stuff from the first few albums and saw her at the Isle of Wight and she was already a firm favourite at that time but I don't know when or how she became the most important songwriter and singer in my life. Some people here on the list have said that hearing 'Blue' opened the doors, but what about the others. Epiphanies anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:36:06 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: What's getting the most airplay from T? I keep hearing 'Woodstock' - last night, on BBC London Live, the host (I don't know her name) played it, said "Good on you, Joni" and proceeded to sing some lines from the song (mimicing the original version surprisingly well) and asking her studio guest what she thought of it - lots of "lovelies" "hmmms" "aaarhs" In my little fantasy world, there is still one piece in the Travelogue jigsaw before she leaves this stage of her artistic career. I was born in a small Oxfordshire village called Yarnton, not 4 miles from Woodstock - as a child at this time of the year I often went skating or toboganning on Blenheim Palace Lake (got a bit too creaky for me sometimes, though - give me a good old Canadian river that'll hold a big truck, any day!). If Joni really is going to round things off (for a while, please), I'm thinking of asking the 11th Duke (never met him) if he'll ask her and the London Symphony Orchestra over for tea. You lot'd come, right? see http://www.blenheimpalace.com/index1.htm PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 06:39:14 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: Hunter/ This Flight I couldnt agree more Ken the first time I heard Hunter(which you were so kind to send my way ;) I really thought it was this flight tonight..I love this flight and im glad she decided to use that music with those lyrics..Hope everyone is havin a great day love light and peace to all ****kevin**** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 7:31:22 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: epiphanies anyone? > And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise > with her music. I don't know how she sort of crept into my musical life but it > certainly wasn't with a bang. Some people here on the > list have said that hearing 'Blue' opened the doors, but what about the > others. Epiphanies anyone? Back when I was in college, in '89 I believe, someone lent me Song To A Seagull and I was completely blown away. Up until then I'd only been listening to Rush(with which I experienced probably the biggest epiphany ever), Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Jethro Tull, Yes, etc...and of course they used some interesting chords but here all of the sudden was this woman playing all by herself in weird tunings and singing these hauntingly beautiful songs. She undoubtedly made a big impression on me. It was around then I also discovered Neil Young, Van Morrison, Bob Marley and the Grateful Dead. Hearing Nick Drake in 1995 completely changed me as well, even more so perhaps. Johnny Hartman, Ella Fitzgerald, Miles Davis and John Coltrane, and definately Stevie Wonder. And by joining the JMDL a few years ago I've had the opportunity to rediscover Joni Mitchell's music which has made a major impact on the direction things have taken. Victor in Ashelanta - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:45:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: epiphanies anyone? mike pritchard wrote: > And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise > with her music. Some people here on the > list have said that hearing 'Blue' opened the doors, but what about the > others. Epiphanies anyone? I was thunderstruck hearing Night In the City on the radio from a Toronto FM radio station. I lived in Buffalo but we had a summer home in Canada. In those days FM stations were really "underground" and would never have played anything you would have heard on AM. When I made the connection between this wonderful singer and the writer of Judy Collins Both Sides Now and Michael From Mountains, it was, as they say, all she wrote. Jerry np: Hello Twelve, Hello Thirteen, Hello Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:06:10 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: folk music Probably it is the artist who is classified, not the cd. That is unfortunate. I suspect that if Eminem and Joni were to team up for her next CD it would still be called folk by some. Jerry mike pritchard wrote: > I decided to play Joni's Mingus CD on the computer the other night and for > some reason Real Player kicked in instead of the usual cd player. No big deal > but when I looked at the 'genre' slot it described it as 'folk' music. How > should I react? > mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:28:01 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: RAIN (sjc) Hi all. Joni is one of my alltime inspirations. If there's a direct connection to my new album, it's her setting Yeats to music. Indirectly I feel indebted to her courage, inventiveness, verbal acuity and much more. THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is acoustic, jazz-rooted music with influence from India and Africa, and deriving from poets such as Mary Oliver, W S Merwin, Emily Dickinson, and Pablo Neruda. Do check it out! Clips on the website; available there and through CD Street. Happy new year! What do they call Santa's little helpers? Subordinate Clauses. Album blurb below. Tom Ross * FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE * Album of Global Jazz Songs Unveiled! THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is Tom Ross's long-awaited sophomore work following the critically acclaimed *Horse of Stone* album, which was sponsored by David Crosby. Like *Horse*, THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is jazz-based acoustic guitar songs by composer-performer Tom Ross. The influence from India and Africa is once again evident in the tones and rhythms, but the textures are leaner, and the debt is greater to poets such as Pablo Neruda (whose line prompted the title song). The lyrics are also based on the work of Emily Dickinson, W. S. Merwin, and George Herriman of the Krazy Kat comic strip. THE RAIN features reedman Charlie Keagle (also heard on *Horse of Stone*), Mike Migliozzi on drums, Josh Zucker on bass, and background vocalist Carin Gado. Ross is on vocals, guitar, fretless 12-string guitar, as well as sequencing and programming. The striking album is wide in its range of moods and topics. In "The Fox's Body," a Zen monk gives the wrong answer to a koan question and is turned into a fox; "The Smile in the Stone" tells of a mason on a medieval church who discovers his mystical ties to the stone; while "Who My Soul Loves" adapts sexy love-poetry from the Song of Solomon. Fans of *Horse of Stone* will find THE RAIN equally satisfying, while notably sparer, and marked by the view of an artist in middle life. Indian rhythms and vocal styling imbue many of the songs, with danceable grooves stemming from the African-American funk of Ross's jazz heritage. THE RAIN TAKES OFF HER CLOTHES is a triumph of song that defies category, and a must-have for the discerning listener. Contact: Mijazi Music 623 Rankin Schenectady, NY 12308 OR CDStreet.com more info: http://www.tom.rossweb.com * Tom Ross Mijazi Music (518) 372-2611 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:36:06 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Top 10 CDs of 2002 I bought two CD's, you need a loan. Travelogue & October Road. October Road by the way is the best album I have heard from Mr. Taylor for years. Peace, Craig NP: Gulf Coast Hwy, Nanci Griffith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Little Bird" To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: Top 10 CDs of 2002 > It just occured to me that only bought one CD in 2002 > and that was Travelogue! Good grief, am I really that > poor?? > > -Andrew > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:22:08 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni as a Muse Hello, This may not be news, but just found it out as I read the liners notes to Crosby & Nash's Another Stoney Evening, a 97 re-release (?) of a 71 recording. "Stranger's Room": Graham explains that the lyric of Stranger's Room recalls an incident that followed the end of his love affair with Joni. "That was me releasing myself from Joan, waking up in some woman's house, and wondering what I was doing there" Graham says. (With Joni acting as a muse for several other songs here, including parts of "Man in the Mirror", and a verse of "Guinnevere", it's no wonder that Nash/Crosby-with a gatefold that featured a Joel Bernstein photograph from this performance-was dedicated to "Miss Mitchell")...... "Guinnevere" was a tapestry woven of 3 women in David's life: Joni in the 3rd verse, the late Christine Gail Hinton in the 2nd, and a "woman with green eyes that no one knows" says David, in the 1st. They were all archetypes blended into an ethereal one"... Speaking of muses, for you Albert Brooks fans he's made a movie with Sharon Stone being a muse, pretty funny stuff. Laurent's 2 cents ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:01:09 EST From: CherokeeLouise@aol.com Subject: Cookbook Cindy Vickery,I lost your email address and would like to know about the Joni Cookbook;if you read this please email me and let me know when you will be sending it!! Thanks! Lisa K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:21:48 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen Thanks for sharing those lyrics from the Blue Songbook. I didn't even know this songbook existed. I also have seen some different lyrics in the songbooks I have. One lyric that I can think of off the top of my head is from "I Don't Know Where I Stand". From the Clouds album: All alone in California and talking to you. From the JM Songbook vol.I: All alone in Carolina and talking to you. My guess would be that Carolina is the original lyric, since the song was published in 1967 and Joni also spent time - in Fort Bragg, I think - performing for the soldiers during this period. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:31:59 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Medley - Little Green Bob wrote: As I said, this is among my favorite Joni performances. And one of a couple "medleys" she did early on..."Marcie/Nathan La Franeer" was another, "River/Willy" another, and then there was the peculiar combination of "Willy" & a song called "Looking Out For Love" that I never see referenced anywhere as a separate song. Donna: Bob do you have access to any of these other medlies? I would be particularly interested in finding Willy/Looking Out for Love!! Tushie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:34:50 EST From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Re: Martha likes Joni Well, Martha isn't all that bad. She does have good taste. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:08:07 -0500 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Joni in New York Times Society Pages 1/12/03 Dear List: There is an unflattering photo of Joni in this Sunday's New York Times' society page. She is at the 50th anniversary of The Aperture Foundation, dedicated to promoting photography as a form of artistic expression. She is at Sotheby's chatting with CBS News Correspondent Richard Schlesinger. Also photographed at the party is Mayor Michael Bloomberg with Graham Nash, who received an award at the event. Elton John was the night's honorary chairman. The photo captures (sideview) Joni in what looks like a moment of great amusement. Frank Tortorici ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:10:44 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Medley - Little Green In a message dated 1/13/2003 11:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: > Bob do you have access to any of these other medlies? I would be > particularly interested in finding Willy/Looking Out for > Love!! I do...this particular CD is a composite of various live performances, it's noteworthy as well in that it contains the only version of "A Melody In Your Name" that I've ever heard. Here's the tracklist for the CD: 1. Both Sides Now 2. Circle Game 3. Just Like Me 4. Eastern Rain 5. Blue On Blue 6. Gift of the Magi 7. Melody In Your Name 8. Dr. Junk 9. Chelsea Morning 10. Cactus Tree 11. Rainy Night House 12. Blue Boy 13. Willy 14. Looking Out For Love 15. Both Sides Now 16. Night In the City 17. Nathan LaFraneer 18. The Gallery I can make you a copy of the whole CD or I can try and roll up that Willy/Looking medley into another audio file. Lemme know. Bob NP: Doobie Brothers, "Dark Eyed Cajun Woman" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:13:50 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Hunter/Hissing Demos In a message dated Sun, 12 Jan 2003 9:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, RoseMJoy writes: > Nope, what I have is the Seeding of Summer Lawns and other assorted blades of grass (which doesn't include Hunter), > produced by Don Rowe Personally, I appreciate Don doing that but I don't hear any difference in the original and his "re-master". Plus, the original release had all those fun radio ads and other misc. bonus tracks he removed. Bob NP: Doobie Bros, "Clear As The Driven Snow" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:07:43 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: NY Times Travelogue review In yesterday's paper, the NY Times was good enough to correct the mistaken attribution of the Travelogue arrangements to Larry Klein. They didn't publish any outraged reactions to the review. The photo of Joni wasn't THAT unflattering. I would only say that if Joni has had any "work done," it wasn't around the chinline. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:36:02 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review In a message dated 1/13/2003 2:08:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > The photo of Joni wasn't THAT unflattering. I would only say that if Joni > has > had any "work done," it wasn't around the chinline. > Funny you should mention that because I can think of several instances of Joni talking about the aging process, and she usually speaks specifically about her jawline...1painting in jowls for BSN, 2 questioning whether or not a lover would be interested in her or would want someone with a "tighter jawline"...it's definitely a part of the aging process that has crossed her mind. I haven't seen the picture, but I don't care how Joni looks-I love her in all her incarnations. I did think she looked particularly terrific in PWWAM! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:43:10 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Fwd: epiphanies anyone? Return-path: From: KJHSF@aol.com Full-name: KJHSF Message-ID: <6b.6fd2e38.2b54653a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:53:46 EST Subject: Re: epiphanies anyone? To: ink08@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 1/13/2003 4:38:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: > Epiphanies anyone? > I had begun listening to and liking Court and Spark and having an epiphany during the instrumental break in Down to You when the harp starts popping up in the mix. But my biggest epiphany was when I '"got" Hejira. I had the album for about two weeks, and I remember liking it though I hadn't really paid a lot of attention. But my epiphany moment is so vivid all these years later that I'm amazed I can recall the details. I was driving through a spring drizzle to Columbus to hang with some friends for the weekend. It was a Friday afternoon, and Amelia was playing, and all of a sudden, I was spellbound by every phrase because I realized how much genius was packed into every little bit. And I was called into the present moment throughout the entire trip, because my attention never veered from the music and the lyrics. I kept thinking, "she's a genius!" By the time Refuge had reached the instrumental break before the "I pulled off into a forest..." verse, I was rapturous! And every spring, there will come a rainy afternoon that reminds me of that day, and I'll get in the car and listen to Hejira again. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:05:56 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: folk music One can only imagine Joni's reaction to this?! And Kakki, I got tickled at your "after shocks" post. (I read something yesterday about the fault lines out there and thought of you) Bree NP: Steve Klink..still digging this ..Bob >I decided to play Joni's Mingus CD on the computer the other night and for >some reason Real Player kicked in instead of the usual cd player. No big >deal >but when I looked at the 'genre' slot it described it as 'folk' music. How >should I react? >mike _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:26:50 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review Goosebumps time!! Thanks..Ken..I just put PWWAM in... I dig this lady so much!! WOW!! Bree >her in all her incarnations. I did think she looked particularly terrific >in >PWWAM! >Ken _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:53:09 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Goosebumps time!! Thanks..Ken..I just put PWWAM in... I dig this lady so > much!! WOW!! > > Bree > > >her in all her incarnations. I did think she looked particularly terrific > >in > >PWWAM! Painting With Words and Music was a Joni career high point in this rabid fan's opinion. She looked and sounded fabulous! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:47:39 -0500 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review > The photo of Joni wasn't THAT unflattering. I would only say that if Joni has > had any "work done," it wasn't around the chinline. > I would love to see the photo refered to here if anybody has a link. Thanks Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:26:46 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NY Times Travelogue review Absolutely!! I keep rewinding...multi-tasking here.. But she looks so fresh!! I mean no.. she does not look like she is in her teens..but she has that freshness of a young girl in her teens. (I think of that song...SHE'S FRESH..and exciting ..FRESH..) And her sound!! I just shake my head. You lucky ones that were there..what an evening that must have been!! Bree "I looked at those granite markers..... >Painting With Words and Music was a Joni career high point in this rabid >fan's >opinion. She looked and sounded fabulous! > >Jerry _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:16:15 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Travelogue art revisited I haven't paid strict attention to all the discussion about the art included with Travelogue, so I've probably missed someone else making this observation way before me. The picture of George W shows an older woman who appears to be in Muslim dress. She's sort of sneaking up behind him, kind of like the fanatical wrath that led to 9/11 took the U.S. by surprise. In the picture of Osama bin Laden, he's got a young woman showing her breasts sitting on his shoulders. I think it may represent the western world excesses kind of smothering Muslim fundamentalism. In both cases, perceived evil is represented by a woman. (Interesting, since the Bush administration's view seems to imply - by detaining young Arab men, for example, - that young men are to blame for terrorism, not women.) The young woman is just that - young - just as the U.S. is young compared to the Middle East. The old woman is old, as is the ME. I think the pictures are a pair, to be taken together - sort of like 2/3 of a triptych. Also, the flame coming out of the twin towers looks like the devil's face as commonly depicted in western art. (I know, everybody saw that before me...) And, today I've started reading the book "Reverence" which I referenced in an earlier post. In Chapter 2, the author says that a poet described a world without reverence. I almost dropped the book as I read the lines "Turning and turning in the widening gyre..." Call it synchronicity - I've been learning to play STB the last couple of days, although he was quoting the Yeats poem. (And many thanks to Marian and Sue for their tablature!) I think that STB is my favorite Joni song - if I had to pick one. I think I've played it about a couple dozen times in 2 days and I'm still not tired of playing it! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:06:44 -0500 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: epiphanies anyone? For me it has always been FTR. FTR came at a turning point in my life ... a point when I grew in independence. My marriage was failing, my mother always disagreed with everything I did at the time so songs like Lessons in Survival, Let the Wind Carry Me and Woman of Heart and Mind came at a huge turning point for me. I felt like Joni wrote them for me and I know many people on the jmdl feel the same way about many of her songs ... that they came at a time most needed. For me, that is how Joni became the most important songwriter and singer. Early on, my musical taste was heavily influenced by my older brother who is a musician (who plays the keyboards and the trombone). Chicago Transit Authority was a must along with Hendrix's Electric Ladyland and Led Zeppelin's first LP. Whenever I hear these my mind gets transported right back to the days when I first heard them. For some reason, they still give me chills when I listen to them. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of mike pritchard Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:37 AM To: list Subject: epiphanies anyone? And talking of joni, I'd like to know about people's epiphanies, or otherwise with her music. I don't know how she sort of crept into my musical life but it certainly wasn't with a bang. I clearly remember hearing 'Space Oddity' and 'In the Court of the Crimson King' for the first time and thinking 'wow', and even more so with Chicago's 'Introduction', the day I fell in love with the sound of a trombone. In Britain in those days the only time we heard trombones was in the brass bands or the Dixieland jazz bands. Neither sounded good to me but when I heard 'Introduction' I couldn't believe how beautiful the sound was, nor in fact the mixture of rock instrumentation and a horn section. I suppose this was the moment I started to listen to jazz in a serious way. Getting back to Joni it seemed that she was always there. I had heard some stuff from the first few albums and saw her at the Isle of Wight and she was already a firm favourite at that time but I don't know when or how she became the most important songwriter and singer in my life. Some people here on the list have said that hearing 'Blue' opened the doors, but what about the others. Epiphanies anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:14:50 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times review of Travelogue In a message dated 1/10/03 8:11:16 AM, Bobsart48 writes: >Fred - I do not often read Rockwell's reviews, and I have great respect >for the opinions you post here on the list (I too have reservations about >T, including those you share here). However, my view of this review is >that he should be fired for it (not because of the bottom line - he thought >T is terrible - but because of the way the review was written). This was >an atrocious piece of writing and review work ... etc. Hi Bob. Thanks for the kind words about my posts. My defense of Rockwell isn't based on his writing per se but his ideas, with which I don't always agree. However, he's one of the few writers out there who actually offers some ideas worth exploring, and is asking questions worth asking. I've read a book of his, "All American Music," an interesting survey of late 20th-century American musical composition which includes essays on a wide range of artists such as John Cage, Laurie Anderson, Stephen Sondheim, Elliott Carter, Keith Jarrett, Talking Heads, Neil Young, Ornette Coleman, etc. Again, I don't always agree with him but it's provocative stuff (I have a similar relationship to the writing of iconoclast Glenn Gould, whose mind I find terribly fascinating even while vehemently disagreeing). So, points taken regarding questionable writing and/or editing (one never knows which), and I can also understand the anger towards his tone. But to a certain extent I also understand his tone in reaction to Joni's self-indulgence ... I think the Greek chorus interjections may have something to do with it. While I do enjoy some of Travelogue, nothing on it increases my existing enjoyment of the songs, and in some cases detracts from it. Even while I can enjoy the lush beauty of the new Amelia, for instance, there is something so perfect about the relatively austere original that I do wonder why it needed new clothes, especially ones as extravagant as these. But, you know, that's cool ... try something different, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't ... that's the artist's journey. By the way, I wanted to point out an oversight in your dissection of the review. You wrote: >Above, I called her singing inimitable. (Rockwell) > >No, you did not. Patheticcally sloppy. (Bob) But, actually, he *did* in this earlier passage: >On the original studio recording, the accompaniment is electric guitars >and vibraphones, electronically sustaining Ms. Mitchell's own inimitable >vocals, cool and clipped, and almost pushing this sad, intimate, conversational >song along to its conclusion. Best regards, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:16:33 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: "Guitar Girls" in Sarasota (from Joan List) Fellow JMDLers: The following, posted Sunday on the Joan (Baez) List, which I read Monday in digest form, should be equally interesting to this Joni List: Message Number: 25 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:25:07 -0800 From: BaezFan39@aol.com Subject: "Guitar Girls" in FL Anyone nearby able to get to this show? It will be interesting to know which of Joan's songs is being used. Dave Guitar Girls As it celebrates the achievements of female singer/songwriters, the musical revue "Guitar Girls" also explores the way women's roles have changed in America. "The earliest songs in the show are about home and family and spirituality," said Dennis Courtney, who is directing the Florida Studio Theatre Cabaret production that opens Thursday. "The women were defined by their men, and how they felt about them. The later songs reflect the breakup of the nuclear family, and the changing relationships between men and women. Then, there's a real shift of consciousness, with women beginning to own their individuality and power for the first time." Works by the Carter Family, the Weavers, Carol King, Janis Joplin, Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell, the Dixie Chicks and Mary Chapin Carpenter are featured in the show. The song list includes "Will the Circle Be Unbroken," "If I Had a Hammer," "You've Got a Friend," "Jolene," "Mercedes Benz," and, naturally, Carpenter's "Girls with Guitars." Cast member Rhonda Coullet, who has appeared in such previous cabaret productions as "Smoke on the Mountain" and "Harry Chapin and Friends," helped conceive the show. She is joined by three other singer/guitarists, Mimi Bessette, Emily Mikesell and Stewart Gregory. "Stewart provides the male perspective that is necessary in some of these songs," said Courtney. Laughing, Gregory said he was relieved to learn "I wouldn't be wearing heels and a dress." Courtney described all the cast members as "good musicians and actors who have the life experience necessary for these songs. They have a real understanding of the lyrics. They don't have to re-invent themselves to be these people." - -- Charlie Husiking "Guitar Girls" opens at 7:30 p.m. Thursday following previews at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday and Wednesday in the Florida Studio Theatre Cabaret Club, 1241 N. Palm Ave., Sarasota. Tickets range from $18-$22. Call 366-9000. - ------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:22:48 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Joni references in FRAUD hi all. just curious... has anyone read FRAUD by David Rakoff? I don't remember anyone mentioning it on list, but i haven't been reading diligently. Like David Sedaris (a friend of his) Rakoff is a contributor to This American Life on NPR, and a frequently published freelance writer. I think Fraud is his first book. In any case, he references/mentions Joni several times throughout the book. He obviously admires her, quoting lyrics here and there and talking about her openly. I'll try to get the references to you, smurphy, so you can list them in Joni in fiction. Even though it's not fiction. It's funny as hell. Another book i read recently, The Good People of New York, also mentions Joni several times. good little fiction book by an up and coming young female writer named Thisby Nessen (sp?). trying to type those to you as well, smurphy. over and out. alison e. in slc np: all things considered. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Fwd: epiphanies anyone? Whenever one of Joni's songs has made itself truly known to me, it's always the result of some real-life drama in my own life mirroring the themes of the song in question. HEJIRA was a song I never really got into until my life brought me to a level of understanding that enabled me to 'get it.' I had made a compilation tape of various artists and was listening to it in the car on a dark winter night, driving home from work. I was 23 (this was three years ago) and I had broken up with my boyfriend the weekend before. It was a very suffocating romance, very smothering - neither of us had any way of being ourselves when we were with each other and we had basically lost ourselves. And so the lines came clear to me: "We're only particles of change, orbiting around the sun/But how can I have that point of view/When I'm always bound and tied to someone?" I needed my individuality back, my sense of indepence: "So now I am returning to myself these things that you and I supressed" And as I was driving home through the Canadian countryside, I saw some chimneys puffing whisps of smoke into the bright night sky: "White flags of winter chimneys, waving truce against the moon." It was an astounding ride home. I felt so free and like I was beginning again, knowing that I'd love again and that it would "suck me back" in good time. I wanted to keep on driving and driving and driving. HEJIRA is a definite road album. THE LAST TIME I SAW RICHARD came clear to me only a few weeks ago, as I posted to the list. Again, it was because of a break-up and again the trials and joys of love were put under my microscope for emotional examiniation. There have been so many Joni epiphanies that it's impossible to really list or recall them all. I know there are more to come too. I only began exploring her work 10 years ago, at the age of 16, and little by little her songs unravel their mysteries to me as I grow and learn and live. Joni's gift to the world is her understanding and articulation of life. She has been a remarkable guide to me, as she has to others, no doubt. She doesn't have all the answers, but her constant questioning is the key to her breadth of knowledge, and her incredible wisdom. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:35:03 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: more epiphanies I think I understood THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS (the album) when I saw a film by Ang Lee called The Ice Storm. I'm sure many of you have seen it: Kevin Klein, Sigourney Weaver, Joan Allen. The film is set just a few years prior to the album's release and many of the themes explored on the album are brought to life in The Ice Storm. The themes of the record were further explored in American Beauty and really drove some of the points home for me. I think THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS is an extremely cinematic album. A lot of Joni's songs have that celluloid quality to them, but that album in particular seems to play like a movie for me. I feel like I'm watching these sad, lonely, desperate characters cavorting on immaculate sun decks or swimming in pools lit by dim patio lanterns, trying to remember and forget all at once. Their lives are shallow and superficial, masking an undercurrent of intense sadness and resentment - the humanity that they are secretly longing to retrieve. In any case, the epiphany for that album dawned in a movie theatre. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:32:00 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni PWWAM Bree wrote: > Absolutely!! I keep rewinding...multi-tasking here.. But she looks so > fresh!! I mean no.. she does not look like she is in her teens..but she has > that freshness of a young girl in her teens. She absolutely looked 30 years old that night. We all saw her up close and personal, too, and she still looked 30 (naturally and without any apparent "tricks" to make her look that way). She was just radiant both nights of the taping, despite getting over the flu. She had those proverbial halos of light surrounding her. When some of us who were there get together and recount it, we still just shake our heads in amazement. Glad you enjoy it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:16:29 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Joni on CBC This from CBC "Life and Times" schedule: http://cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/sched_tv.html Feb 25 Joni Mitchell (Part 1) Joni Mitchell has been called the most influential recording artist of the late 20th century. A rare, intimate look at a multi-award winning musician who is as private and reflective as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. Mar 4 Joni Mitchell (Part 2) Joni Mitchell has been called the most influential recording artist of the late 20th century. A rare, intimate look at a multi-award winning musician who is as private and reflective as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:34:10 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times review of Travelogue Fred Now wrote: > By the way, I wanted to point out an oversight in your dissection of the > review. You wrote: > > > >Above, I called her singing inimitable. (Rockwell) > > > >No, you did not. Patheticcally sloppy. (Bob) > > > But, actually, he *did* in this earlier passage: > > >On the original studio recording, the accompaniment is electric guitars > >and vibraphones, electronically sustaining Ms. Mitchell's own inimitable > >vocals, cool and clipped, and almost pushing this sad, intimate, > conversational > >song along to its conclusion. Yes, not exactly my best work. I will say this - I did re-read the text 3 times, missing that reference each time, before I put my foot in my mouth in writing. I guess a man sees what he wants to see.....And then I did such a careful job checking my own spelling, too :~) PATHETICALLY SLOPPY ! [Thanks to David Lahm for the advance warning off list that enabled me to brace myself for this expose' - and thanks, Fred, for being so gentle ;-) ] Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:10:20 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 -- airplay Subject: What's getting the most airplay from T? I keep hearing 'Woodstock' I haven't heard a thing (but then I rarely listen to the radio any more). I keep meaning to request "You Dream...." on my local jazz station (which plays Joni's recent work regularly) but haven't done it yet. If anyone in the Seattle area is reading, let's request some T'log on KPLU, 88.5 FM. KMTT 103.7 used to play Joni regularly (even played "Crazy Cries of Love" for a few weeks) but I don't know if they do any longer. I do read Radio & Records magazine (and RandR.com) regularly (these show which albums and tracks are playing at radio stations around the country and which new "adds" happen each week). T'log got minimal play for a couple of weeks in the "Adult Alternative" (formerly called Album-Oriented Rock) format but faded fast. Without promotion for the record company, radio will pretty much ignore a new release. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:23:30 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #27 -- NYC event In a message dated 1/13/2003 5:07:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > There is an unflattering photo of Joni in this Sunday's New York Times' > society page. She is at the 50th anniversary of The Aperture Foundation, > dedicated to promoting photography as a form of artistic expression. She > is > at Sotheby's chatting with CBS News Correspondent Richard Schlesinger. > Also > photographed at the party is Mayor Michael Bloomberg with Graham Nash, who > received an award at the event. Elton John was the night's honorary > chairman. Well, I'm glad Joni's making the scene....think she flew to NYC with Graham? I hope she stopped by the Times office and blew smoke on the Arts & Leisure page editor. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:08:22 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 14 On January 14 the following item was published: 1996: "Too feminine for rock? Or is rock too macho?" - New York Times (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=941 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #13 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)