From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #12 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 012 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- more on Paula Cole & Joni [BRYAN8847@aol.com] commercial music OT ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #11 Paula Cole on Joni [Aerchak@aol.com] Joni's concert in Madison, WI, 1976 [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: DJRD cover photo ["Steve Polifka" ] Re: Joni's concert in Madison, WI, 1976 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen ["kakki" ] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen [hell ] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen [Mags N Brei ] Martha likes Joni [Little Bird ] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Alternate Blue/Hunter [KJHSF@aol.com] Today's Library Links: January 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:06:05 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: more on Paula Cole & Joni Go the Rants & Raves sections of paulacole.com for more on Joni -- mentions running into Joni at the supermarket. Nice site Paula has (is anyone else interested in updating/reformatting jonimitchell.com?). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:06:56 -0000 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: commercial music OT From: KJHSF@aol.com writes: It's frustrating when you hear a song you like on a commercial and have no way to discover the performer! Ken, a good place for UK adverts is here. http://www.commercialbreaksandbeats.co.uk/index.asp An adverts and used music listing. Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 - Release Date: 07/01/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:28:04 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #11 Paula Cole on Joni I wish more artists would speak out on Joni's behalf like Paula Cole. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:52:16 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Joni's concert in Madison, WI, 1976 Bryan, Yes, it was the same tour. I didn't mention in my original post that the concert was at UW Madison. It was in some sort of fieldhouse. All the big midwestern schools have them. It was general admission. We just got there early, but not THAT early and sat right in front, like 3rd row center. Joni was spitting distance. I had a hell of a time finding out exactly when the concert was, the exact date, because it wasn't listed and the main website actually had her in Plattsburgh at the time. Anyhow I searched and searched and knew I'd seen her in Madison and was pretty certain when I was in grad school there. It was the 70s but I have a transcript and Master's to verify the date and knew I hadn't dreamed it. Plus they shot the Hejira cover there the next day or so. Another reason I just LOVE that I saw that show. Anyway it was February 29, 1976. Please tell me it was leap year that year. Otherwise maybe it never did happen. Maybe I don't have that Master's either. Maybe my whole life is a lie. Who cares? It was an awesome experience. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:55:05 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen I was perusing the Blue songbook [which I had lost many years ago, but which a fellow lister lent me recently - thanks, Janine :-) ], and I came across this oddity: In the middle of the book, where the lyrics are printed stand-alone, those for All I Want are correct. However, in the sheet music itself, the following differences appear (no doubt from an earlier version of the song) : By the light, I want to get up and jump, I want to wreck my stockings in some juke box dump replaced later by Alive, alive, I want to get up and jive, I want to wreck my stockings in some juke box dive. Do you want to take a chance And maybe find in some sweet romance with me, baby replaced later by Do you want to take on cahnce On maybe finding some sweet romance with me, baby Cause applause replaced later by Applause, applause Then we both get so unglued later replace by Then we both get so blue The greed of the unraveling later replaced by The greed is the unravelling Make you feel better later replaced by I want to make you feel better And finally ther is a wanna later replaced by a want to. Most of the above feel like typos, but the ones that are clearly not typos suggest otherwise. My guess is that both types of differences are involved, s ince there are numerous obvious typos elsewhere in the book, in both the sheet music and the lyrics only sections. Of course, in her "pnik dress BBC concert, the lyrics to All I Want were not fully formed, and went through substantial later revisions. By the way, in the sheet music section, "mantle of the moon" is printed instead of "Mattala Moon", while the lyrics section shows "Mattala of Moon". Finally, this songbook has some unusually interesting (color) photos of JM, in an overgrown area surrounding a house (where ?). In one of them (she is sitiing crosslegged, holding some fruit - oranges or tangerines - I detect bags under her eyes - part of the price of blue. Also, the print of this book is entirely in blue ink - pretty cool (only one I have ever seen that way). Unfortunately, the arrangements are pretty mediocre - I would call them poor. Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:26:37 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Re: DJRD cover photo Hey everyone: I just got on my computer for the first time in 3 days (love can definately conquer the desire to go online- hee hee) and read this post. I ran to my DJRD songbook, remembering there is an interesting pic of Joni as Art Nuveaux (sp?) standing by some huge flats on a truck, that have the shape of the Paprika Plains, herself as an indian beating a drum, and a dove. Les and Mags, I am sending it to you as an attachment. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: DJRD cover photo > At 1/10/2003 11:23 AM, Mags N Brei wrote: > >does anyone know who the kid in the tux is on the cover of DJRD? > > The JMDL Library has a story about the making of the DJRD cover. It reads... > > Joni "included the shot of a kid who'd been in a session for a previous > album. 'He was shy and had never danced before, that's why he's looking at > his feet,' she says. " > > Full story: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=566 > > Doesn't really answer your question though, does it? :-) > > Les [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DJRD pic.JPG] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:30:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's concert in Madison, WI, 1976 In a message dated 1/12/2003 10:53:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, Aerchak@aol.com writes: > It was an awesome > experience. > The '76 concerts WERE quite awesome, at least the couple that I've heard. She seemed to really be doing some risk-taking, doing "Jungle Line" live, previewing a couple of new songs, and a new arrangement of S&L, and in the case of her show in Philly singing "Yarrow", an Irish folk song, acapella. Very cool stuff. Bob NP: Steve Earle, "Ashes to ashes" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:17:01 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen Bob S. wrote: > Finally, this songbook has some unusually interesting (color) photos of JM, > in an overgrown area surrounding a house (where ?). I think it is Laurel Canyon and that may be her green house there in the first photo. Probably were taken in the winter or early spring since that's the only time of the year the L.A. terrain looks so verdant ;-) Henry Diltz has taken almost identical photos of Joni with her dulcimer in the same setting. His photos have appeared in other books. Diltz said they they were shot behind some of the houses in Laurel Canyon. >Unfortunately, the arrangements are pretty mediocre - I would call them poor. I got the songbook right after the album was released and always thought that the discrepancies might have happened because it may have been a "rush job." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:07:51 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: 1976 concerts I can't believe I missed these shows; the Philly one would have easily within my reach. My mother died in 1976 and I can only guess that I was completely preoccupied that year. Damn! At 01:30 PM 1/12/03 -0500, you wrote: >The '76 concerts WERE quite awesome, at least the couple that I've heard. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:37:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen In a message dated 1/12/2003 4:01:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > I got the songbook right after the album was released and always thought > that the discrepancies might have happened because it may have been a "rush > job." > I think that's surely the case, Kakki...if the record company was rushing to get the music out to market, it makes sense that the corresponding music book was thrown together with haste as well. For those who don't know the story about Blue & the early release, it's well-documented (with a pic of the original songlisting) at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/AlternateBlue.html Bob NP: Linkin Park, "Points Of Authority" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:50:01 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen In a message dated 1/12/03 6:38:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > For those who don't know the story about Blue & the early release, it's > well-documented (with a pic of the original songlisting) at: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/AlternateBlue.html > I don't think I've ever heard the song "Hunter" (The Good Samaritan) Does anyone have the Alternate Blue? ~rose Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Re: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen Rose wrote: > I don't think I've ever heard the song "Hunter" (The Good Samaritan) > Does anyone have the Alternate Blue? I have it, but I'm sure lots of people a lot closer than me have it as well. Also, Alison performed it at Jonifest 2001, if you have those CDs. Speaking of Jonifest CDs, I'm slowly working my way through the 2002 set, kindly given to me for Xmas by my "branch" (that's a new name for it.....) and it's great reliving everyone's sets. And I get to hear Gregg since we weren't there on the Thursday night! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:05:48 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen In a message dated 1/12/03 8:02:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > I have it, but I'm sure lots of people a lot closer than me have it as well. > Also, Alison performed it at Jonifest 2001, if you have those CDs. > Oh shit, yes I do! I'll have to give it another listen. Thanks Hell. Is Willy there yet? rosie in nj Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Travelogue Review Finally Travelogue reaches NZ! This review was actually published on December 26th (but I was lounging on the beach at the time....) Joni Mitchell: Travelogue 26.12.2002 By GRAHAM REID (Herald rating: * * * ) Mitchell, 59, recently suggested she may retire, which may account for this somewhat self-aggrandising double album in which she revisits her back catalogue with a 70-piece orchestra, 20-voice choir and guest pianist Herbie Hancock, saxophonist Wayne Shorter and flugelhorn player Kenny Wheeler. While there are some excellent revisions here (Be Cool, Hejira, God Must Be a Boogie Man) there's also an over-ripe, sentiment-tugging, emotion-milking quality about some (Love, Slouching Towards Bethlehem) and it's notable on a lavishly presented album with Bush/bin Laden paintings she has picked some songs which resonate post-September 11 (Otis and Marlena with the line "while Muslims stick up Washington" is the opener). The formerly light and spry Woodstock is here sunk by the weight of its self-important delivery and dark strings. Mitchell never lacked ambition, but judicious pruning might have made for a more consistent collection. Label: Nonesuch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:44:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/AlternateBlue.html > <<>> hey Rosie...Alison did a fantastic job of performing Hunter at Joni Fest two years ago in the church. Err....where were you ;-) Mags, who does own a copy of Alternate Blue...and loves it. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:33:44 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni's singing rhythm on T'log I was listening to Travelogue this afternoon, for the first time in a few weeks, and was struck by some interesting rhythms in Joni's singing on certain lines of some songs. I love how she sings, "In the church they light the candles" on Hejira and "Slippers are shufflin' into folding chairs" on Otis and Marlena. I assume that with the bigger orchestra that she needs to be a bit more careful about fitting the lines into the rhythm of the music, which is why it sounds a bit more fluid and modulated than her usual singing rhythms. I also love it on Otis and Marlena when she sings, "Otis ... empties out the trunk," with the pause punctuated by that little burst of strings. Travelogue is a time-consuming album to listen to and I've been busy, which is why I haven't been particularly able to sit down and digest it all. But little subtleties are starting to make themselves known. I love it. As for artists sticking up for Joni I heard an interview with Natalie Merchant a few years ago who cited Joni as someone who is creating new roles for female pop musicians as they age, saying she is one of the few artists who is composing music about the processes of age and life. So, Joni's tactics are not going unnoticed by all. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:36:38 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Martha likes Joni Browsing through last September's issue of Martha Stewart Living I came upon an article called "New Spins on Old Standards" with a list of some of Martha Stewart's favourite "big-band" records done by current artists. I was shocked and amazed to see "Both Sides Now" listed as one of the top three. It had a little blurb about how great it was. I guess Both Sides Now is a "good thing." - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:42:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen In a message dated 1/12/2003 7:50:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, RoseMJoy writes: > I don't think I've ever heard the song "Hunter" (The Good Samaritan) > Does anyone have the Alternate Blue? > Sure, and...there's a nice live version of Hunter on the Joni-James Taylor concert as well. Rosie - surely you have the Hissing Demos - the studio version of Hunter should be a bonus track on that as well. Bob NP: Joni, "Circle Game" live '67 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:59:17 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: All I Want, et al, and a printed mondegreen In a message dated 1/12/03 9:42:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Rosie - surely you have the Hissing Demos - the studio version of Hunter > should be a bonus track on that as well. > > Nope, what I have is the Seeding of Summer Lawns and other assorted blades of grass (which doesn't include Hunter), produced by Don Rowe rosie in nj NH: a cup of hot chocolate Better ask questions before you shoot Deceit and betrayal's bitter fruit It's hard to swallow, come time to pay. That taste on your tongue don't easily slip away Let Kingdom come. I'm gonna find my way Through this lonesome day ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:40:39 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Alternate Blue/Hunter I thought that Hunter was replaced by This Flight Tonight. In fact, when I heard Hunter, I thought it was This Flight Tonight but with different words and melody. I may have to revisit it, but isn't the guitar strumming and chord sequence identical on both songs? I'd assumed it was the same instrumental track with different vocals. In any case, I can't imagine these two songs on the same record because they are so incredibly similar. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:04:01 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 13 On January 13 the following item was published: 1980: "Another Hyphen for Joni Mitchell" - Los Angeles Times (News Item, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=158 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #12 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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