From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #10 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 010 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #17 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] My Favorite Poet ["Mark Connely" ] Re: Rufus Wainwright [AzeemAK@aol.com] Painting with Words and Music [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: Top cds of 2002 *lets try this again! [Patti Witten ] Re: Top CDs of 2002 - let's try this again ["Tamsin Lucas" ] Joni covers [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Joni's old venue [] RE: Joni covers ["Victor Johnson" ] Oh yeah.... ["Mark Connely" ] NY Times Review dissection ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: Joni covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni covers dylan question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni covers [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: joni covers dylan question ["Bill Dollinger" ] This JUST In!!!!!!!! [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: This JUST In!!!!!!!! [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: This JUST In!!!!!!!! [Randy Remote ] Re: joni covers dylan question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Top cds of 2002 *lets try this again! [Patti Witten ] Re: joni covers dylan question ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: DJRD cover photo [Mags N Brei ] [none] [=?iso-8859-1?q?Joseph=20Francis?= ] Re: Joni covers [vince ] Re: Joni's old venue [sl.m@shaw.ca] Re: Medley [Harry83house@aol.com] Re: Little Green/Circle Game Medley [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #18 ["Eryl B Davies" ] Re: Medley - Little Green [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Long good-bye, short hello ["Kate Bennett" ] Best 10 CD's of 2002 ["Kate Bennett" ] The Louis Riel Cafe [Little Bird ] re: atheist and 2002 favorite CDs (slight JC) [Bruce Kimerer ] Medley Circle Game / Little Green ["PAUL PETERSON" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:20:44 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #17 Bob wrote: - >I believe in God, but I don't believe in Hell or >Satan. I think Satan is man's creation in order to >manipulate people &behavior. Now, hang on there Bob. You believe in God, you believe in Jesus Christ, you liked Jesus Christ Superstar. Why do you think God sent Jesus to earth to die for us? Do you believe in the Bible? The Bible teaches that there is a Hell. Do you only believe in some of it? How can you do that? You either have to believe all that Jesus said, or none of it. You can't pick and choose. Either everything Jesus said in the Bible is true, or it isn't. Joseph I'm not speaking for Bob, but I gotta respond to this one. I believe in God. I pray every day. But I never crack open a bible. Why is it so incomprehensible to bible-quoting Christians (I mean no offense) that a person can have a relationship with God while not being a bible reader? I just don't get it. I try, in my very imperfect way, to connect with and submit my will to my higher power. But I am happy to applaud the efforts of atheists to get God out of public policy and public life. I was cheering that guy in California who objected to the mandatory inclusion of "one nation under God" in the pledge of allegiance. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:36:53 -0800 From: "Mark Connely" Subject: My Favorite Poet This talk reminds me of a poem by MY FAVORITE POET, Stevie Smith. It's called "Thoughts on the Christian Doctrine of Eternal Hell", and here it is: Isn't it interesting to see how the Christians continually try to seperate themselves, in vain, from the Doctrine of Eternal Pain. They cannot do it, They are commited to it. Their God said it, They must believe it. And so, the vulnurable soul is stretched without pity, over flames, forever! Is this not pretty? The religion of Christianity is mixed of sweetness and cruelty. Oh, reject this sweetness, For she wears a smoky gown of Hell fire. Who makes a God? Who shows him thus? 'Tis the Christian religion does. This God the Christians show- Out with him, Out with him, Let him go! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:56:25 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Rufus Wainwright In a message dated 09/01/2003 15:29:48 GMT Standard Time, Harry83house@aol.com writes: > Plus, can anyone recommend any of The > McGarrigle sisters' albums. I see their names pop up in some Top 100 > Album > lists and wonder about them, but can't find them in the record shops. Were > > they ever "big" in the states? A couple of albums have already been mentioned - a particularly love the debut, while the McGarrigle Hour has the bonus of having the whole extended family on it, in various different combinations, and having a mesmerising debut (as far as I know) from Martha Wainwright called Year Of The Dragon, which is just wonderful, and makes me wonder when we'll here more from her. I'd like to put in a personal shout for Heartbeats Accelerating, which is in some ways my favourite Kate & Anna album. The voices are older and wiser and still sound lovely, the harmonies are as delectable as ever, and the songs are terrific, ending with a spine-tingling rendition of the old cowboy standard St James Hospital. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:16:52 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Painting with Words and Music I had the fortune of finding a new copy of "Painting with Words and Music" on ebay. What a shame it was never shown on American television. Anyway, it is fabulous and I highly recommend that you get a copy, not just to watch , but to keep. Joni performs a wide variety of songs. She talks, she dances, she sings, she plays guitar. And she looks absolutely beautiful! It's just wonderful. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:21:09 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Top cds of 2002 *lets try this again! > Hi-great list, thanks for the reminder, Alanis and Aimee Mann had great My faves: Aimee Mann. Lost in Space Beck. Sea Change Gabe Tavares. Cipher Uniit. Uniit I don't get out much :) Patti - -- Patti Witten, Acoustic-Rock http://pattiwitten.com FA, AMA, Indiegrrl, JPF, I-Town Records stream the new CD "Sycamore Tryst" http://sycamoretryst.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:25:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Painting with Words and Music In a message dated 1/10/2003 7:18:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, Aerchak@aol.com writes: > Anyway, it is > fabulous and I highly recommend that you get a copy, not just to watch , > but > to keep. Definite agreement from me, Andrea! I bought the video when it came out, and now I have to upgrade to the DVD as the picture and sound is SO much better! It's worth it for Joni's knitting story alone! Bob NP: The Roots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:16:18 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Top cds of 2002 *lets try this again! Hi--i love this top 10 list, but wanted some advice from such a muscially evolved commu ity... if I'm totally into Beck and Tori Amos, can anyone suggest a few artists out there who have similar little gems out there waiting to be discovered? I've seen many artists popping up on lists but as I've never heard of them, a little wary of buying anything yet.. thanks everyone! Mitch in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:36:32 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Painting with Words and Music The DVD is a must. The sound is incredible. I made a cd copy for myself and it is a Joni favorite. I've read comments online from some who say the sound is "muddy." I'm convinced it is because some don't know how to set the audio properly. Jerry, excited about seeing MARY GAUTHIER tonight. Pazman, do you know her? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/10/2003 7:18:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Aerchak@aol.com writes: > > > Anyway, it is > > fabulous and I highly recommend that you get a copy, not just to watch , > > but > > to keep. > > Definite agreement from me, Andrea! I bought the video when it came out, and > now I have to upgrade to the DVD as the picture and sound is SO much better! > It's worth it for Joni's knitting story alone! > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:26:57 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times review of Travelogue In a message dated 1/6/2003 7:58:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, chuty001@hotmail.com writes: > I think my 15 year old son who can't stand Joni > Chuck > > I hope you punish him! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:23:12 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Rufus Wainwright A couple of the McGarrigles records were mainstays of cutout bins in the late 70s. They got the most attention when Linda Ronstadt covered Heart Like a Wheel. My favorites are French Record and Love Over and Over. I wasn't as crazy about Heartbeats Accelerating. I too saw them play in the late 70s/early 80s and was simply blown away. AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 09/01/2003 15:29:48 GMT Standard Time, >Harry83house@aol.com writes: > > > > >>Plus, can anyone recommend any of The >>McGarrigle sisters' albums. I see their names pop up in some Top 100 >>Album >>lists and wonder about them, but can't find them in the record shops. Were >> >>they ever "big" in the states? >> >> > >A couple of albums have already been mentioned - a particularly love the >debut, while the McGarrigle Hour has the bonus of having the whole extended >family on it, in various different combinations, and having a mesmerising >debut (as far as I know) from Martha Wainwright called Year Of The Dragon, >which is just wonderful, and makes me wonder when we'll here more from her. > >I'd like to put in a personal shout for Heartbeats Accelerating, which is in >some ways my favourite Kate & Anna album. The voices are older and wiser and >still sound lovely, the harmonies are as delectable as ever, and the songs >are terrific, ending with a spine-tingling rendition of the old cowboy >standard St James Hospital. > >Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:40:52 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Re: Top CDs of 2002 - let's try this again Hi Mitch, I love Tori and Beck too. Not sure if you have these already, excuse me if you already do. A few people have mentioned Beth Orton's Daybreaker album as a top album of 2002, I'd highly recommend all her albums to Joni/Tori fans - particularly this latest one and Central Reservation. Amazing throaty, slightly drunk sounding voice and such a depth of feeling in her voice it sends shivers down my spine. Kathryn Williams - Old Low light, this is her latest and IMO best album to date. Beautiful music, slightly girlish voice I think but really unpretentious and straightforward lovely songs. Are you a Ryan Adams fan? tamsin >>>>Hi--i love this top 10 list, but wanted some advice from such a >>>>muscially evolved commu ity... if I'm totally into Beck and Tori Amos, can anyone suggest a few artists out there who have similar little gems out there waiting to be discovered? I've seen many artists popping up on lists but as I've never heard of them, a little wary of buying anything yet.. thanks everyone! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:12:15 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: joni covers dylan question with apologies if this has already been on this list.. there was some discussion (somewhere in the press, i think) some time ago about joni having covered some dylan songs during studio sessions for her records. are there any details on what songs were covered? i mentioned to my boss (a dylan fan and currently being introduced to the wonders of DJRD - "but only because pastorius is on it") that she'd done some unofficial and unreleased 'covers' of bobby's tunes and he's been nagging at me to establish which ones. any info would be appreciated. cheers les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:13:43 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: Joni covers I've just come across this site: http://www.coversproject.com/artist.php/216 It aims to list all covers by artist, i.e. covers the artist has done of others' songs, and own songs this artist has had covered by others. The link above takes you straight to the Joni page, but you can look up countless other artists that way if you go through the home page. Bob, I'm sure they don't have all you've got, but maybe you find something there that escaped one of our beady eyes? Now that I'm posting a ligit Joni message, let me just quickly send my very best wishes for this new year to any of you Joni-onlies who haven't seen my ditto message in an NJC post. If we've spoken in the last year (in person or electronically) then consider this meant for you! And a profound apology to the Joni-onlies for the couple of postings I've sent where I forgot to put the NJC tag on. I always realised just after pressing the sent button and felt awful. Thanks for not telling me off! Lots of love, Lieve. _____________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. 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She is gorgeous -- dressed sharp, wore her little hat, smelled good -- a real lady." and "Once when we were having dinner at the Granary we saw her having a meal there with her parents. It looked like they were having some sort of family squabble. Basically she was telling them to "Lay off" about something or other." There's some Joni gossip for the day. Kate du Nord ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:19:57 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Joni covers > I've just come across this site: http://www.coversproject.com/artist.php/216 > > It aims to list all covers by artist, i.e. covers the artist has done of > others' songs, and own songs this artist has had covered by others. The > link above takes you straight to the Joni page, but you can look up > countless other artists that way if you go through the home page. This site claims Joni covered "After the Goldrush"? Has anyone ever heard of this or are they mistaking her for someone else? Victor in Ashelanta NP: Joey Calderazzo "the traveller" - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" in March 2003 Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:48:14 -0800 From: "Mark Connely" Subject: Oh yeah.... NP: Burt Bacharch: South American Getaway bum pa da bum baby! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:56:24 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: NY Times Review dissection Thanks for the thoughtful, meticulous dissection of Rockwell's idiot 'review'. I couldn't agree with you more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:08:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers In a message dated 1/10/2003 12:15:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, ReckersL@ebrd.com writes: > Bob, I'm sure they don't have all you've got, but maybe you find something > there that escaped one of our beady eyes? > Yes Lieve, most of the Joni covers that are on that site are there thanks to me. When I first found it there were about 10, so I helped it grow substantially! And I would have added them ALL (I am obsessive that way in case you haven't figured that out) but they have to already have the artist in their database for you to enter a new entry. Thanks though for mentioning it. Bob, still amazed that there are more covers of Paul's "Yesterday" than there are of ALL of Joni's songs (2,000 to 1,200). NP: The Roots, Phrenology ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:12:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers In a message dated 1/10/2003 12:21:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > This site claims Joni covered "After the Goldrush"? Has anyone ever heard > of this or are they mistaking her for someone else? > Yes, this is an error. Either they're thinking of Joni singing backup vocals to Neil's "Helpless" in The Last Waltz or Ronstadt's version of After The Goldrush or something else entirely. Joni's never done it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:13:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni covers dylan question In a message dated 1/10/2003 12:13:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk writes: > are there any details on what songs were covered? Les, the only ones I'm aware of are "Mr. Tambourine Man", and the one she just did at the Walden benefit. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:15:41 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: Joni covers I should have known, nothing escapes you! Bob, I think your obsession is one of the very best I've ever come across! I guess that even if I hummed Amelia in the bath and the tape recorder was accidentially on, you'd know about it before I did! Have a great weekend - I'm just leaving the office now to start mine! Lieve. Bob wrote: Yes Lieve, most of the Joni covers that are on that site are there thanks to me. When I first found it there were about 10, so I helped it grow substantially! And I would have added them ALL (I am obsessive that way in case you haven't figured that out) but they have to already have the artist in their database for you to enter a new entry. ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:17:05 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: joni covers dylan question It's All Over Now Baby Blue - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: joni covers dylan question In a message dated 1/10/2003 12:13:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk writes: > are there any details on what songs were covered? Les, the only ones I'm aware of are "Mr. Tambourine Man", and the one she just did at the Walden benefit. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: DJRD cover photo trying one more time because I cannot seem to find the answer anywhere Ive looked thus far..... does anyone know who the kid in the tux is on the cover of DJRD? and if you dont know..can you tell me where I might find out?? thanks ever so mags. sorry bro Bob..it's not Brei ;~P You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:26:23 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: This JUST In!!!!!!!! Hi Kids- I have just heard that the following artists are scheduled to play this years New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. I do not have the exact dates, but they will be announced very shortly. The festival starts April 24 thru May 4. They are adding another thursday this year on the first weekend. All of these folks are expected to do night shows. I will post again when I have more info, but I thought I would give you guys something to think about so you can start making your plans. CSN/The Dudes (formally the Subdudes) Bob Dylan/Lucinda Williams Michael Franks/Angela Bofill Widespread Panic (2 nights) Best to all, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:30:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: This JUST In!!!!!!!! I am a HUGE Angela Bofill fan and haven't seen her in a long while. Pazfest lives!!!!!!!! Michaelpaz@aol.com wrote: > Hi Kids- > > I have just heard that the following artists are scheduled to play this years > New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. I do not have the exact dates, but > they will be announced very shortly. The festival starts April 24 thru May 4. > They are adding another thursday this year on the first weekend. All of these > folks are expected to do night shows. I will post again when I have more > info, but I thought I would give you guys something to think about so you can > start making your plans. > > CSN/The Dudes (formally the Subdudes) > > Bob Dylan/Lucinda Williams > > Michael Franks/Angela Bofill > > Widespread Panic (2 nights) > > > > Best to all, > > > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:43:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers In a message dated 1/10/2003 1:15:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ReckersL@ebrd.com writes: > I guess that even if I hummed Amelia in the bath and the tape recorder was > accidentially on, you'd know about it before I did! > Maybe, but I'd be more interested in the video - Whoo Hoo! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:41:29 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: This JUST In!!!!!!!! Nice line-up, but sorry to hear the Subdudes changed their name, it was the coolest band name ever! If you see them, slap them around for me... RR Michaelpaz@aol.com wrote: > Hi Kids- > > I have just heard that the following artists are scheduled to play this years > New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. I do not have the exact dates, but > they will be announced very shortly. The festival starts April 24 thru May 4. > They are adding another thursday this year on the first weekend. All of these > folks are expected to do night shows. I will post again when I have more > info, but I thought I would give you guys something to think about so you can > start making your plans. > > CSN/The Dudes (formally the Subdudes) > > Bob Dylan/Lucinda Williams > > Michael Franks/Angela Bofill > > Widespread Panic (2 nights) > > > > Best to all, > > > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:46:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni covers dylan question In a message dated 1/10/2003 1:18:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, bill@friendsofanimals.org writes: > It's All Over Now Baby Blue > Oh yeah...good call on that one Bill...but it's a really bizarre cover, she starts playing the piano to the "Not To Blame" melody, then jumps in with those lyrics, as if she had the melody but not the lyric and was experimenting with putting words with it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:10:51 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Top cds of 2002 *lets try this again! > ... if I'm totally into Beck and Tori Amos, can anyone > suggest a few artists out there who have similar little gems out there > waiting to be discovered? Hi Mitch, I don't listen to a lot of new music (bad habit) so I'm not as informed as a typical fan/consumer. But, in addition to Aimee Mann and Beck, I liked Tori Amos Scarlet's Walk, too, and have much respect for Alanis, Lucinda Williams, Jonatha Brooke and Sheryl Crow. I left off Patty Griffin and should be punished for that omission! The others on my top cds of 2002 list, Gabe Tavares and Uniit, are indies like me. They can be found at http://itownrecords.com Last year I also bought CDs by Rosie Thomas (Subpop Records) and Richard Buckner. Leaning into country, I dig Buddy and Julie Miller. Other indies I love (and pals of mine) who have toured with big guns such as Lucinda Williams and Cowboy Junkies, are Anne McCue http://www.annemccue.com/ and Jennie Stearns http://jenniestearns.com/ Perhaps you'll find something to love about some of them. A Google search will turn all of them up in a flash. Patti - -- Patti Witten, Acoustic-Rock http://pattiwitten.com FA, AMA, Indiegrrl, JPF, I-Town Records stream the new CD "Sycamore Tryst" http://sycamoretryst.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:52:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: religion with some humor >>You either have to believe all that Jesus said, or none of it. You can't pick and choose. Either everything Jesus said in the Bible is true, or it isn't.<< nya uh...imo, the bible is a bunch of writings & interpretations (& compiled by) different people with different agendas so i pick & choose what works for me in living a good life...accepting the whole lot reminds me of the email that seems to be circulating the internet again called 'the bible says it it must be true': >Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them. 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord -- Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness -- Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.! Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - -- Lev. 11:10-- it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of ! two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go toall the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:22:24 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: joni covers dylan question I could be wrong, but I think she did it live well before Turbulent Indigo. Also - she has done I Shall Be Released a few times, the most memorable I have seen is on a video I have of her singing it with Cass Elliot and Mary Travers on an old Mama Cass Christmas special. Bill Oh yeah...good call on that one Bill...but it's a really bizarre cover, she starts playing the piano to the "Not To Blame" melody, then jumps in with those lyrics, as if she had the melody but not the lyric and was experimenting with putting words with it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:33:23 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: DJRD cover photo At 1/10/2003 11:23 AM, Mags N Brei wrote: >does anyone know who the kid in the tux is on the cover of DJRD? The JMDL Library has a story about the making of the DJRD cover. It reads... Joni "included the shot of a kid who'd been in a session for a previous album. 'He was shy and had never danced before, that's why he's looking at his feet,' she says. " Full story: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=566 Doesn't really answer your question though, does it? :-) Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:29:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: DJRD cover photo Les wrote: The JMDL Library has a story about the making of the DJRD cover. It reads... Joni "included the shot of a kid who'd been in a session for a previous album. 'He was shy and had never danced before, that's why he's looking at his feet,' she says. " Full story: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=566 Doesn't really answer your question though, does it? :-) well no, but at least now we know it's not Joni herself. thanks Les, Lori and Jimmy for your help Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:25:08 +1300 (NZDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Joseph=20Francis?= Subject: [none] >>joseph, try to get a hold of yourself and be more respectful when addressing me. i don't have much patience with hysterical people and, just as prescribed for such occasions, i summarily resort to a good slap. others on the list that have known me for some time can bear witness to what i say. so if you want to continue discussing this issue, raise the quality of your argumentative skills and lower the volume of your shrieking. if you are interested in my comments on the quotations you used in your message, i will be very pleased to get into every complexity and interpretation. it's up to you. wallyK<< Sorry, I didn't mean to be nasty or anything. It's just that everytime I come to this list I am literally shocked beyond words at what some of you believe. Especially christians. Joseph http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:54:53 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Joni covers ReckersL@ebrd.com wrote: >I should have known, nothing escapes you! Bob, I think your obsession is >one of the very best I've ever come across! >I guess that even if I hummed Amelia in the bath and the tape recorder was >accidentially on, you'd know about it before I did! > See Covers Volumn 24, track 6. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:48:17 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Joni's old venue Hi Kate, I've read two things about the cafe that Joni used to sing in. It was called the Louis Riel cafe, and I've read that it was situated where Calories now is, but also that it was actually the store next door, now called Home Again, which sells Laura Ashley-style clothes. For example, this from the Saskatoon public library: "Colin Holliday-Scott, co-owner of the Louis Riel Coffee House on Broadway Avenue, once turned down a gig by the then-neophyte singer Joni Mitchell, who lived and attended school here in Saskatoon. Later she did perform at the Louis Riel. . . The Louis Riel Coffee House occupied the space now home to "Home Again" http://www.publib.saskatoon.sk.ca/LHistoryfacts.html#coffeehouse Sarah From: I just received this card and thought some of you might like to see it, so put it up at http://xoetc.antville.org. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:08:45 EST From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: Re: Medley Bob, the 1968 "Circle/Green" medley is just beautiful. Thanks for sending it on. Its also cool to hear the early, sli-i-ightly different melody of "Little Green". Its almost like Joni hasn't found that last piece of the puzzle yet. Of course, one can only imagine what it took for her to write it. It sucked me in the very first time I heard it. What a great song "Little Green" is! Thanks again, Bob! all the best, Harry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:03:14 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Little Green/Circle Game Medley SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: >For those who may be interested in Joni Mitchell, I mentioned a couple >of days ago about a performance at the 1968 Philly Folk Festival in which >she played a medley of Little Green & Circle Game, which I find very moving >because of the themes (and realities behind them) of the 2 songs. > >I converted the track to a .wma file last night (plays on Windows Media >Player) to share electronically with whoever might want to hear it. So >if you are interested, let me know. Note: this medley runs over 8 and a >half minutes, so if you're on a dial-up it's about a 20-minute download. > >I don't know if Macs can handle a .wma file. Hey, Bob, I'd love the file, thanks. By the way, there is a Mac version of Windows Media Player, available for free download from Microzoloft I believe. All best, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:30:55 -0000 From: "Eryl B Davies" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #18 Subject: Re: Painting with Words and Music JMDL Digest V2003 #18 Jerry Notaro wrote: "..... I've read comments online from some who say the sound is "muddy." I'm convinced it is because some don't know how to set the audio properly." I too initially had this impression but I have the benefit of having access to a pro. studio and immediatelly took the disc in to check it out. The verdict - beautifull!. the bass is full, warm and detailed, especially in the upper bass. probably too detailed for many aging (like mine) home systems. I have taken it as a final nudge to update my system. The active sub is already here, the next step is to replace the main speakers to something smaller, faster and more detailed. To all those who find the sound muddy - change your system and/or your acoustics. For the hi fi nuts out there the studio set up is ATC SCM100A, over #6000 worth of speaker and amplifiers and worth every penny. Eryl P.S for a good demo of a system with a subwoofer try Allison Krauss+Union Station "New Favourite" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:54:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Medley - Little Green In a message dated 1/10/2003 6:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, Harry83house@aol.com writes: > Its also cool to hear the early, sli-i-ightly different melody of > "Little Green". Its almost like Joni hasn't found that last piece of the > puzzle yet. I wonder if it sounds that way in this recording because she's (obviously) playing it in the same tuning as Circle Game? Or are those two songs in the same tuning anyway? A query for the many talented Joni guitarists in our midst. As I said, this is among my favorite Joni performances. And one of a couple "medleys" she did early on..."Marcie/Nathan La Franeer" was another, "River/Willy" another, and then there was the peculiar combination of "Willy" & a song called "Looking Out For Love" that I never see referenced anywhere as a separate song. Is the general consensus that "Looking out For Love" is additional lyric to Willy, or that it's a stand-alone song. Those that have this recording, what do you think? > Of course, one can only imagine what it took for her to write > it. It sucked me in the very first time I heard it. What a great song > "Little Green" is! > Yes, and what you say is the reason it almost always makes me cry, not just when Joni sings it, but also the wonderful other interpretations; Bryan Thomas, Mia Znidaric, and especially Jack Donahue, a fine NY cabaret artist. Bob NP: Laird Jackson, "Tin Angel" (talk about mighty might good covers - oh man!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:55:18 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Long good-bye, short hello good to have you back harper lou! >>Hello everyone, It's Harper Lou, longlost Joniphile, correspondent and occasional = nemesis!<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:55:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Best 10 CD's of 2002 well, many thanks brian s! (oh, i realized that i neglected my amelia comp promise...i've been down & out with that flu for many weeks but i promise to listen to the dat & send to you if it sounds okay...) >>Well, I will have to admit my addiction here to JM. Travelogue Disc one and Two and the other 8 are the CD's from 2002 Joni Fest Tops are Kate B with that Harmonica Man behind her & Gregg C's songs, and sneeking in at 11 is the Special Amelia Cover CD SCJoniguy made for Amelia's Fourth Birthday, all the Finest Amelia's Covers put on one CD even Yael Harlap from jf2002 which Amelia makes me replay. NP Borderline TT JM Brian<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: The Louis Riel Cafe The Louis Riel Cafe was not named after some chi-chi entrepeneur or fashion icon - no, no. Read on to find out about the man behind the cafe, and indeed, much of Canadian rhetoric... - -Andrew LOUIS RIEL: Louis Riel, a leader of his people in their resistance against the Canadian government in the Canadian Northwest, is perhaps the most controversial figure in Canadian historiography. His life and deeds have spawned a massive and diverse literature. He was born in the Red River Settlement (in what is now Manitoba) in 1844. A promising student, he was sent to Montreal to train for the priesthood, but he never graduated. An attempt at training as a lawyer ended similarly, and by 1868 Riel was back in the Red River area. Ambitious, well educated and bilingual, Riel quickly emerged as a leader among the Mitis of the Red River. In 1869-1870 he headed a provisional government, which would eventually negotiate the Manitoba Act with the Canadian government. The Act established Manitoba as a province and provided some protection for French language rights. Riel's leadership in the agitation, especially his decision to execute a Canadian named Thomas Scott, enraged anti-Catholic and anti-French sentiment in Ontario. Although chosen for a seat in the House of Commons on three occasions, he was unable to take his seat in the house. In 1875, Riel's role in the death of Scott resulted in his exile from Canada. These years in exile would include stays in two Quebec asylums and the growing belief in Riel that he had a religious mission to lead the Mitis people of the Canadian northwest. In 1884, while teaching in Montana at a Jesuit mission, Riel was asked by a delegation from the community of Mitis from thesouth branch of the Saskatchewan river to present their grievances to the Canadian government. Despite Riel's assistance, the federal government ignored Mitis concerns. By March of 1885, Mitis patience was exhausted and a provisional government was declared. Riel was the undisputed spiritual and political head of the short-lived 1885 Rebellion. He never carried arms and hindered the work of his military head, Gabriel Dumont. Riel was increasingly influenced by his belief that he was chosen to lead the Mitis people. On May 15, shortly after the fall of Batoche, Riel surrendered to Canadian forces and was taken to Regina to stand trial for treason. At his trial, Riel gave two long speeches which demonstrated his powerful rhetorical abilities. He personally rejected attempts by his defence counsel to prove he was not guilty by reason of insanity. On 1 August 1885, a jury of six English-speaking Protestants found Riel guilty but recommended mercy. Judge Hugh Richardson sentenced him to death. Attempted appeals were dismissed and a special re-examination of Riel's mental state by government appointed doctors found him sane. He was hanged in Regina on 16 November, 1885. His execution was widely opposed in Quebec and had lasting political ramifications. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:59:21 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: re: atheist and 2002 favorite CDs (slight JC) I'm pretty much an atheist. Don't really think about it that much. For me personally the whole is-there-or-isn't-there-a-God is basically irrelevant. But what I do think about sometimes is why there's so much hub-bub between believers and non-believers. Seems to me no one should care one way or the other. If I'm wrong, and there actually is a God, I figure I'm still OK. After all, I don't have to believe in gravity to stay on the ground. My favorite CDs of 2002 are a mixed bag of new and old. Since I don't play my old vinyl anymore, rediscovering an album on CD after many years can be a real treat. In no particular order: Heathen - David Bowie -- as good as he's been in years Essence - Lucinda Williams -- I like it better than Carwheels Milk of the Moon -- Greg Brown -- My first CD of his; really good Ram -- Paul McCartney -- Had forgotten what a joy this is; not a bad cut and one of the best beginning moments of any record I know Travelogue -- you know who Hissing of Summer Lawns -- ditto -- only got the CD for this this year. Don't know why I waited so long. So brilliant. In some ways I think it's her best album. Combines the 'hot, hot places' of C&S with the 'icy altitudes' to come on H. To my ears it's her most enjoyable masterpiece. Songs for Only the Lonely -- Frank Sinatra -- Wow. Talk about intense! Not a pandering bit of pop to be found on this disc. The artistry, ambition and integrity of this recording amazes me. Bird in the House -- Railroad Earth --- Happy, tuneful, well-played, acoustic kinda 'newgrass'. Don't often hear music that's full of joy much anymore. Not ten there; but that'll do. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:13:23 EST From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: joni in concert I was looking tonight at the "Blondes in the Bleachers" section of the JMDL site. Partly because my lovely niece, Clarissa, ( who is getting Joni CDs for her 23rd b/day) gave me her laptop ( I switched and I'm having fun and adjusting-it's fast) and it seems that hardly anyone ever saw Joni prior to 1998,or at least, no one has posted about it. I only saw Joni live once and that was in 1976 but i am so glad that I did. I did not realize at the time that it would probably be the only time in my life that I would ever see her perform. Anyway, I've been thinking about what to write about that concert. I wish I had it all stored right in my head, but you know it was (I just did the math) 27 years ago, so it's not a whole video, just images or moments that fit into a larger scenario. Anyway, I do remember being really close. This is when great artists/musicians could actually play for people. I remember being awestricken. I remember Joni being very thin and noticeing that, thinking she was too thin. I know she wore black pants. I clearly her remember sitting at the piano. And I remember her introducing and performing "Coyote" as a new song. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:28:17 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird Subject: Top 10 CDs of 2002 It just occured to me that only bought one CD in 2002 and that was Travelogue! Good grief, am I really that poor?? - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:50:45 -0500 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Medley Circle Game / Little Green Thank you so much, Bob, for making this available. I am amazed at the amount of vibrato in her voice, almost like she is doing a little bit of Joan Baez. It's really fantastic how her instrument has evolved over the years and I guess, how she has kept giving it new 'tunings'. What an artist/performer/poet/musician ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 02:04:06 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 11 1986: The single "Good Friends" peaked at #85 on the US charts - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 02:04:06 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 11 On January 11 the following item was published: 1969: "...Ssshhhhhh... Listen, Listen to Joni " - Weekend Magazine (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=625 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 02:27:26 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Niece? BRUSHES WITH FAME, CHAPTER IV: How'd we miss this one? We're at an opening for Joni Mitchell's paintings, and we sashay up to the original Lady of the Canyon and ask her to sign a copy of the art catalog to our then newborn daughter Hannah. Joni goes, "I've got a new niece named Hannah!' Oh, the times we've had! That was posted yesterday on jmdl.com. Niece? Joni doesn't have any siblings, right? Maybe a God-niece? Or am I missing something....I forget the granddaughter's name, is that who they meant???? And which art opening is this referring to, something recent? Inquiring minds want to know. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:28:40 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Niece? Bryan wrote: > That was posted yesterday on jmdl.com. Niece? Joni doesn't have any > siblings, right? Maybe a God-niece? Or am I missing something....I forget > the granddaughter's name, is that who they meant???? And which art opening > is this referring to, something recent? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe it's a niece through marriage to Larry Klein? Once an auntie, always an auntie, despite divorce. I loved Kate of the North's tidbit about Joni out with her parents and them nagging her and her telling them to lay off - lol. Once a daughter, always a daughter ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #10 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)