From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #8 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, January 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 008 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #11 -- Tea Leaf Prophecy [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Radio 2 ["Tamsin Lucas" ] Club 47 [Scott Fifield ] DJRD [Cactustree78@aol.com] Re: Tea Leaf Prophecy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Radio 2/ BYT cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Club 47 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Tea Leaf Prophecy [Dave Cuneo ] Re: Tea Leaf Prophecy [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Today in History: January 8 ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: Radio 2/ BYT cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Happy Music New Year to you All - VLJC [Phyliss Ward ] RE: Today in History: January 8 [Jenny Goodspeed ] RE: Joni Tribute Offer ["Patrick T. Power" ] Re: Joni Tribute Offer [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Happy Music New Year to you All - VLJC ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Radio 2/ BYT cover ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Happy Music New Year to you All - VLJC ["Kate Bennett" ] self indulgent art ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: self indulgent art/ now with TOP CD's of 2002 question [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) ?? [Richard Goldman ] Post-traumatic stress disorder [sl.m@shaw.ca] TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC [Scott Fifield ] Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC [] Travelogue cover? [Steve Dulson ] Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC [Chris Marshall ] Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: rc (religious content) ["Happy The Man" ] Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC [Randy Remote ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #12 new BYT [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #13 -- cover image [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Today in History: January 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: January 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] the Glass Engine url ["Mark Connely" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:18:43 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #11 -- Tea Leaf Prophecy In a message dated 1/8/2003 12:01:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > >I also enjoyed your "20 performances" list. I was surprised to see "Tea > Leaf" there as I for the life of me find nothing of value in that song > whatsoever. So if you feel like it, I'd be interested to know what you > appreciate about it. Not so I can disagree, but rather so maybe I can > listen for what you're hearing. > One critic wrote that he couldn't, for the life of him, figure out what this song is about. Well, it seems pretty obvious to me. It's one of my favorites, with a dreamy arrangement (though not without strong percussion) and a very image-laden story. In fact, I like all of CMIARS, I always have and don't understand why it's not more highly regarded among us Joni-philes. No, it doesn't compare to Blue or Hejira, but it's a very enjoyable listen. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:14:36 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Re: Radio 2 I just heard a cover of Big Yellow Taxi on R2 - it sounds like Ronan Keating - has anyone else heard it??? It is truly terrible imho, especially the "doo wop wop s" towards the end.... eeeiiii!! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 05:35:56 -0500 From: Scott Fifield Subject: Club 47 In honor of the 35th anniversary of this concert, I decided to dust off my copy and play it as I get ready for work. I'm struck by the song "Vali" - about a red-headed Parisian dancer who may have been "the first flower child." Are the lyrics available anywhere - I did a search on the website to no avail. It's a great song. Set List: Night In The City Gift Of The Magi I Had A King Morning Morgantown Vali Song To A Seagull Both Sides, Now Cactus Tree Conversation Come To The Sunshine Chelsea Morning The Pirate of Penance The Way It Is The Dawntreader Scott NP: Both Sides Now (1/8/68) ljirvin@jmdl.com wrote: >1968: Joni performs at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 06:30:47 -0500 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: DJRD Someone mentioned this album and I just had to add my two cents..I heard Morrissesy say that the first time he listened to it he had to put it down,not because he didnt like it, but because it was so intense that he wanted to wait for a day he could devote full attention to it...I had a similar experience..It took me forever to listen to anythig past C & S but obviously once i heard hissing and hejira i was hooked but djrd i was worried about..kept hearing how "weird" it was and how un joni like it was...Once i finally bought it i was so taken by it I had to shut it off(i was driving) and re-listened once i got home...Candles burnin lights out I almost went into a trance..From struttin down cotton ave to being blinded by the silky veils of ardor djrd is not just an album but an experience..Peace and love to you all ***kevin*** p.s. If you really wanna laugh check out the grammys best female rock vocal catagory..Almost as hilarious ad Joni vs Britney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:18:48 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tea Leaf Prophecy In a message dated 1/8/2003 1:23:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, spf321@aspi.net writes: > There's nothing I can say that will endear it to you if you > don't like it, as you've probably by now played it a few hundred times. I don't know, Scott...you made a very good case, such that I intend to go back and give it some more spins, listening for the things you mentioned. I very much appreciate your efforts! > it's like a movie I can picture in my mind. I think this may have been an objective of Joni's when she was working on the album, given the proliferation of videos at the time & the fact that several songs were made into films. > From your list, Bob - I love the songs you mentioned in your list - > although I've never heard the medley of Circle Game/Little > Green, which > sounds like it must be something else. I'll see if I can roll it up into an .mp3 and send it to you...ah, the joys of technology! :~) Bob NP: Ani, "School Night" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:19:49 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Happy The Man > wrote: > Anyone attending the NAMM concert? > > > > What is NAMM? National Association of Mitchell Maniacs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:23:58 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Radio 2/ BYT cover In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:14:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, tamsinjanelucas@hotmail.com writes: > I just heard a cover of Big Yellow Taxi on R2 - it sounds like Ronan Keating > - has anyone else heard it??? It is truly terrible imho, > especially the > "doo wop wop s" towards the end.... eeeiiii!! I don't see where Ronan Keating has released this cover, but then again I miss a lot. I CAN say that Ronan Tynan just released a cover of BSN, but that's not really relevant is it? Unless there's a "Ronan Joni Cover" conspiracy of some kind. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:28:05 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Club 47 In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:35:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, spf321@aspi.net writes: > Are the lyrics available > anywhere - I did a search on the website to no avail. It's > a great song. Scott, you probably could have found it had you searched with its actual title, "Ballerina Valerie". Vali was the title the bootleggers gave to it since it was unreleased and they didn't have anything to match it up with. (Not that that matters, actually; many Joni boots have incorrect titles like "I Can't Go Back There Anymore", "Too Busy Being Free", etc.) Anyway, the lyrics are on JM.com, here they are for you & for others who may not have seen them: Down in the garden Under a leaf, she was smoking her keef And she was looking at stardom Everything's bright as she draws on the pipe And the bowl glows redder And things look better Mars is a ruby Saturn is sapphire, it burns with a blue fire Colors run through me Loosen my thinking, they're flashing and blinking And always changing, rearranging Ballerina, Valerie now Move me through your crimson dances Terragan, a red bandana Bring me down your silver trances Down in the garden Under an oak, he was drinking his Coke And he was looking at stardom Everything's bright as he draws on the pipe And the bowl glows redder And things go better with Coca-Cola ) 1967 GANDALF PUBLISHING CO. Words and Music by Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:51:00 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Tea Leaf Prophecy Ciao joniphiles, Did I not read somewhere that "Tea Leaf Prophecy" was about how Joni's parents met? I like that song a lot too, partly because I have been in the military now for 26 years - 6 years active and the last twenty with the Reserves. "...and he looked so cute in his uniform". :~) Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:38:21 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tea Leaf Prophecy CuneoDM@XYMID.com writes: << Did I not read somewhere that "Tea Leaf Prophecy" was about how Joni's parents met? >> Yes, you did. If anyone else wants to read about this, I suggest you go to the archives and do a search by writer -- Timothy White -- for one of Joni's better interviews. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:25:23 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Today in History: January 8 This is, of course, the same club we just went to on Monday to hear the 22 artists of today in a Joni tribute concert. Club Passim has quite a history. My best to you all, Maggie > -----Original Message----- > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com [mailto:ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:17 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Today in History: January 8 > > > 1968: Joni performs at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. > > ---- > For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, > consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:32:31 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Re: Radio 2/ BYT cover I feel really embarassed now cause I just found out it's the Counting Crows version - and it's Radio 2's single of the week. I think I recall some people saying they liked it, I guess I really didn't if I thought it sounded like Ronan Keating . >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: tamsinjanelucas@hotmail.com ("Tamsin Lucas"), joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Radio 2/ BYT cover >Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:23:58 -0500 > >In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:14:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, >tamsinjanelucas@hotmail.com writes: > > > I just heard a cover of Big Yellow Taxi on R2 - it sounds like Ronan >Keating > > - has anyone else heard it??? It is truly terrible imho, > > especially the > > "doo wop wop s" towards the end.... eeeiiii!! > >I don't see where Ronan Keating has released this cover, but then again I >miss a lot. I CAN say that Ronan Tynan just released a cover of BSN, but >that's not really relevant is it? Unless there's a "Ronan Joni Cover" >conspiracy of some kind. > >Bob _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:47:02 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Radio 2/ BYT cover In a message dated 1/8/2003 10:32:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, tamsinjanelucas@hotmail.com writes: > . No biggie, Tamsin...we like what we like and no shame or blame for that. Shouldn't be anyway. I think it rocks, I love Duritz' voice anyway. And Joni SURE can't complain, as I'm sure she's raking it in since it's included on the Crows' CD, a single, and another release with Vanessa Carlton that's in Two Week's Notice and will be on the soundtrack. Ka-Ching!! :~) PS - Thanks for not going back to lurkdom! Bob NP: Ani, "The Million You Never Made" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 07:48:51 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Happy Music New Year to you All - VLJC Maya opened for Jonatha when Kakki, Bob and I saw her in L.A. Where were you anyway Lindsay??? We were impressed enough to buy a short version CD of hers. Bob was especially blown away by her song "Long Way Home". I was flipping channels and saw She was on some morning show recently singing a song from her new CD with Art Garfunkel too. I don't think she'll be a flash in the pan, at least as a songwriter, but who knows, as talent has little to do with it. Lindsay Moon wrote: > Then on the radio the other morning while on my way to work, I heard a most > interesting > singer/tune. I was so mesmerized, I called the radio station on my cell > phone. Turns out it was Maya Sharp singing -- uh, now I can't remember the > exact title -- something Witness. I had similar reactions on first hearing > Jonatha Brooke and Rickie Lee Jones. I'll see if I can check out her CD. > Let me know if anyone likes/dislikes her. Sometimes these people are > one-hit wonders, as you well know. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:06:19 -0500 From: "Patrick T. Power" Subject: Joni Tribute Offer With regard to the Joni Tribute at Passim the other night, Ashara wrote: >>24) Rachael Davis- My Old Man: When Rachael introduced this song as the song she couldn't get out of her mind when she first heard it 5 years ago when she was a senior in High School, (HIGH SCHOOL, no less!) After Anne (sweet, darling Anne) reminded me that I was the MOTHER of a High School senior 5 years ago, I was ready to *really* dislike this young woman! (kidding) Oh, this version was sweet, sweet, SWEET!! Rachael has the sweetest clear voice and was accompanied by a wonderful guitarist who stuck in a very unexpected chord- to my ears perhaps a Major 7th chord. Whatever it was it worked SO nicely and was SO unexpected! A+ for this version!!<< Rachael is going to be making major ripples in the acoustic/folk circles in years to come . . . in less than a year of living and performing in the Boston area (she moved there a couple of days after September 11, 2001), she won a Boston Music Award for Best New Singer-Songwriter. You can find out more about her at her website at http://rachaelbdavis.com. As a special offer to members of the Joni-List . . . purchase Rachael's CD, "Minor League Deities", via the CDBaby website at http://cdbaby.com/cd/rbdavis today through Wednesday, January 15 and you will receive a free CD-R live recording of Rachael which includes one of Rachael's unreleased songs, her signature 'a cappella' rendition of Bill Withers' "Grandma's Hands" and an amazing Robert Johnson medley. (With the exception of the funky, rockin' "Shady Grove", these tracks are all soundboard recordings.) 1. Grandma's Hands (Bill Withers) 2. Eighth Lit Window 3. Every Little Bit (Patty Griffin) 4. Miss Otis Regrets (Cole Porter) 5. Shady Grove (Trad.) 6. Southern Cross 7. Cupid (Sam Cooke) 8. Cocktail Wieners 9. People Get Ready (Curtis Mayfield) 10. Feather Bed (John McCutcheon) 11. Angel From Montgomery (John Prine) 12. Everyday (Buddy Holly) 13. Medley: Walkin' Blues/Crossroads (Robert Johnson) 14. Dimming Of The Day (Richard Thompson) To take advantage of this offer, simply type in "Joni-List Tribute Offer" when you're asked how you found out about Rachael. The live recording will be mailed out to you separately. Patrick Power Manager, Rachael Davis http://rachaelbdavis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: RE: Today in History: January 8 Do you think it was a coincidence they held the tribute concert this week? Or maybe they planned it that way. Ashara and Anne did an excellent job reviewing the concert - I don't even have anything to add except to reiterate how stunningly effortlessly beautiful Rachael Davis' cover of My Old Man was - brought tears to my eyes. Mark Erelli (Carey) and Vance Gilbert (Pork Pie Hat) brought down the house as they usually do. Also loved loved loved Gregory Douglass' Court and Spark. Jenny - --- Maggie McNally wrote: > This is, of course, the same club we just went to on > Monday to hear the > 22 artists of today in a Joni tribute concert. Club > Passim has quite a > history. > > My best to you all, > Maggie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com [mailto:ljirvin@jmdl.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:17 AM > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Today in History: January 8 > > > > > > 1968: Joni performs at the Club 47 in Cambridge, > Massachusetts. > > > > ---- > > For a comprehensive reference to Joni's > appearances, > > consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of > Appearances: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:24:52 -0500 From: "Patrick T. Power" Subject: RE: Joni Tribute Offer Bob wrote: >>Thanks for the offer Patrick...after all I've heard, I'M IN! Love her choice of covers, the Thompson, Cooke & Mayfield ones especially...gee whiz couldn't she have done a Joni tune?<< Okay . . . the original offer was for CDs that had already been burned. But, after a few minutes of re-thought, I will add "Big Yellow Taxi" to the mix. Since it's probably one of Joni's most covered songs, I wasn't so sure that it would be all that much of an added attraction, but since Bob was so enthusiastic, Joni *will* be represented on the CD you receive if you order "Minor League Deities". The CDBaby URL again is: http://cdbaby.com/cd/rbdavis Remember . . . when prompted for where you heard of Rachael Davis, you need to type in: "Joni-List Tribute Offer" Patrick Power http://rachaelbdavis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:13:03 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute Offer In a message dated 1/8/2003 12:24:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mgmt@rachaelbdavis.com writes: > Remember . . . when prompted for where you heard of Rachael > Davis, you need > to type in: "Joni-List Tribute Offer" OK, I completed the transaction, Patrick...I didn't really get a prompt like the one you describe, there was a window for "Special Instructions" in which I typed the comment. If there's something else I need to do to get my freebie, let me know. Thanks for adding the Joni cover!! Next request: Get Rachael down to Greenville, SC to play The Handlebar. It would be a good venue for her. Enthusiastic Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:07:43 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Happy Music New Year to you All - VLJC > So far 2003 is shaping up to be a great year for music. Shawn Colvin is > playing here next month, and my dear, dear, darling Neil Finn (did I > mention supremely talented?) is coming back to town in March. One of my favorite Neil Finn concerts was here in Austin he brought his sixteen year old son to play guitar. The concert was awesome (I loved "Temptation") about half way through none other then a local showed up on stage. Shawn did about three songs with him. I thought this just a one shot deal but she did the same a year later (I was in Chicago at the time). Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:53:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: rc (religious content) anne asked >>And I have to ask the Christians on the list (and I'm asking in the most naive way, believe me) - Do you really honestly believe the story of Jesus Christ being God? I ask because I have finally realized that I never in my life thought it was literally true, even though I was raised as a Catholic. I kept waiting for someone to "admit" (to my mind) that it was all a metaphor.<<< my 2 cents even though i am not now a christian...i was raised as a christian but wouldn't define myself as christian now, though i embrace many, not all, of those teachings...as i do those of other religions...i came to interpret that what jesus was teaching was that he knew god within him & that all of us were capable of knowing god in the same way... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:54:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Radio 2/ BYT cover love the c crows but when i heard their version (over a store pa) i did not care for it either... >>I feel really embarassed now cause I just found out it's the Counting Crows version<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:54:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Happy Music New Year to you All - VLJC i have seen her a few times...check out her website she has her lyrics posted (or did at one time)- i agree she is a talented player singer & songwriter...cool to know she is getting some airplay... >>Maya opened for Jonatha when Kakki, Bob and I saw her in L.A. Where were you anyway Lindsay??? We were impressed enough to buy a short version CD of hers. Bob was especially blown away by her song "Long Way Home". I was flipping channels and saw She was on some morning show recently singing a song from her new CD with Art Garfunkel too. I don't think she'll be a flash in the pan, at least as a songwriter, but who knows, as talent has little to do with it.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:24:04 -0500 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: thanks vince Hi Vince, I've also been missing from the list lately.....and your post was the first one I have read in a long time (the post responding to someone named Sarah, I think). I just wanted to say thank you for writing such a great post, I almost always enjoy what you have to say...you, Colin, and Bob M. always seem to hit home the most for me. Isn't the world an amazing, mysterious, scary, and beautiful place to be? There is so much to hate it seems, or at least easy to fall into the patterns of a hateful mind. I am trying to teach my daughter that the world is a joyful place to be...I am thinking that this will at least be a core part of who she is when she sees the not so joyful parts. It's so true that the more you search for answers the more you realize there is to question. Thanks again! Here's how I'll sign my name.... Erica Buddhist wanna-be Earthling Mama to little Nya. ps. Is Eminem really going to get an oscar nomination???? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:28:47 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: self indulgent art One of Rockwell's complaints about T'log was its self indulgence. I don't understand this. Isn't all art self indulgent? Mustn't the artist indulge herself to create something unique? If Joni, or any artist, doesn't bend to commercial considerations or to public demands, then all her work is self indulgent, from Blue to Mingus to TI. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:16:44 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: self indulgent art/ now with TOP CD's of 2002 question Precisely who is one supposed to indulge, anyway? Though I share Bob's opinion in being underwhelmed by Travelogue, the criticism of self-indulgence has always escaped me when it is leveled at an artist in relation to their art. Okay-I'm throwing this out to the list: What are your top CD's from 2002? They can include older music that you just discovered in 2002, as well. Stuff that you listened to a lot, and maybe still do now! In no particular order, these are my heavy rotation CD's 1 Lost In Space/Aimee Mann 2 Sea Changes/ Beck 3 HEM/Rabbit Songs (Laura Nyro fans should check this out) 4 Patty Griffin/1,000 Kisses 5 Kate Bennett/Over the Moon (thanks, Kate!) 6 Zero -7/Simple Things Honorable Mention (thrilled to hear them, but didn't listen repeatedly) 1 Joni Mitchell/Travelogue (don't hate me everyone) 2 Tori Amos/Scarlett's Walk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:19:55 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) ?? NAMM = It's the 2003 NAMM Concert ( http://www.namm.com/elton/ ), honoring Elton John and benefiting music education. Just FYI, however, their website says: "The tax-deductible tickets are available to NAMM Members via the association's Web site, http://www.namm.com. The concert is not open to the public; only participants in the NAMM trade show ( http://www.namm.com/tradeshow/ ) and their guests will be able to attend." Quite a star-studded line-up, I must say. Star-studded = In addition to Elton John, performers slated to appear include Vanessa Carlton, Ray Charles, Amy Grant, Bruce Hornsby, Norah Jones, Diana Krall, Michael McDonald, Rufus Wainwright, Nikka Costa, John Mayer, Jewel, Brian McKnight, Randy Newman, Take 6 and Brian Wilson*. Richard in San Francisco n.p. Rufus Wainwright - "Over The Rainbow" (unrecorded, from "Death in An American Family" documentary on PBS about Lance Loud Monday night) - ------------------------------------------ At 12:44 PM -0500 1/8/03, JMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 08:19:49 -0500 >From: Jerry Notaro >Subject: Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) > >Catherine McKay wrote: > >> --- Happy The Man >> wrote: > Anyone attending the NAMM concert? >> > >> >> What is NAMM? > >National Association of Mitchell Maniacs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 17:22:51 -0700 From: sl.m@shaw.ca Subject: Post-traumatic stress disorder A few people on the list have mentioned being depressed or having to battle with bad childhood experiences, so I wondered if this article, from today's London Independent, would be of interest to anyone. Sarah The eyes have it It sounds like a quack remedy -just moving the eyes from side to side to treat emotional suffering. But it works, says Julia Stuart, for anything from childhood abuse to post-traumatic stress disorder 08 January 2003 It sounds too good, and frankly too bizarre, to be true. After just three 90-minute sessions, people suffering emotionally after severe trauma such as rape, a car accident or abuse, can be rid of their debilitating symptoms. Add the fact that the therapy involves moving the eyes rapidly from side to side, and that it was discovered by an American while out for a walk, and one would forgive a sceptical raising of eyebrows. Yet the treatment, Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing (EMDR), is believed by some to be one of the most effective treatments for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). It has been used to help Britons affected by September 11, survivors of the Paddington and Hatfield rail disasters, and those traumatised by the Hillsborough football tragedy. Further afield, it has offered relief to those caught up in the earthquake in Turkey, the floods in Bangladesh and the wars in Bosnia and Croatia. EMDR was developed by the American psychologist Dr Francine Shapiro, who, struggling to come to terms with a cancer diagnosis in 1987, noticed that her distressing thoughts lessened when she moved her eyes from side to side. Her subsequent research, published in 1989 in the Journal of Traumatic Stress, found in a randomised controlled study of 23 PTSD sufferers, who included victims of rape and abuse and Vietnam veterans, that symptoms were dramatically reduced after one long session of treatment. The therapy was brought to Britain by Dr John Spector, a consultant clinical psychologist at Watford General Hospital. Impressed by a paper in the Journal of Behaviour Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry in 1991, written by the American psychologist Dr Joseph Wolpe (one of the founders of behavioural therapy), Dr Spector started using the treatment on his patients with "astonishingly good" results. Dr Spector, who then trained in the method under Dr Shapiro, has since organised the training of more than 2,000 British mental-health professionals, about half of whom work in the NHS. EMDR is now used almost exclusively at the PTSD clinic at Watford General Hospital, and is commonly used at the Maudsley in south London. PTSD symptoms include nightmares, flashbacks and intrusive and disturbing memories, believed to be the result of trauma too severe to process. The disturbing memories are held in the right hemisphere, the more primitive, non-verbal part of the brain, on which traditional talking therapies are thought to have little effect. Each time a person is reminded of the trauma, perhaps by a sound or image, they experience high anxiety and panic, which rational thought from the left hemisphere does little to quell. EMDR appears to work by stimulating connections between the right and left hemispheres. "It may be related to what happens in REM sleep, which we know is a time when we process information," says Dr Spector. "During that period the eyes are moving quite rapidly and if you have a nightmare and get to a very frightening point you wake up. What we are doing in EMDR is keeping the eye movements going to get the processing through that point to resolution." Clients are asked to concentrate on a visual image that represents the most upsetting aspect of their trauma, a corresponding belief such as "I'm bad" or "It was my fault", and notice what they experience physically. Meanwhile, the therapist moves his or her finger swiftly back and forth about 2ft from the client's face. About 24 movements are performed, watched by the client, who is then asked what they experienced. The process is typically repeated 20 to 40 times per session, which lasts from 60 to 90 minutes. The stimulation can also be achieved by tapping alternative hands, or by audio stimulation in each ear, but research has found the eye movement to be more effective. "The therapist doesn't talk much apart from asking for information such as 'What did you notice?' As long as we are getting new information then we're happy. All we look for is movement of information," says Dr Spector. "At some point in this process, which is often intense and emotional for the person, they get to a point where they begin to notice that it feels less and less disturbing. They begin to notice that their view of themselves in this situation changes in a more positive way. They bring more functional information into the picture which connects with the traumatic material and they start to understand, for example, that it wasn't their fault that they were raped." Interestingly, neurological changes also take place. Scans have shown a normalisation of brain wave-patterns after three sessions, with dormant left-hemisphere functions beginning to become active again and the right hemisphere dulling down. A client suffering from the effects of a one-off trauma, such as a road accident, would typically need between three and five sessions. Complex trauma, such as childhood abuse, can require up to 40. EMDR also appears to be useful for anxiety disorders, pain, panic disorder and body dysmorphia (where people have an irrational belief that some part of their body is disfigured or unpleasant), claims Dr Spector. It has been used to help with gambling, personality disorders and depression, but the evidence base is much less strong than that for trauma. A spokesman for the Department of Health said: "Compared to other treatments in this field, EMDR has been reasonably well evaluated... and the reported outcomes are generally favourable. The DH views any developments in this area with interest." For Tony Knibb, 39, a constable with Hertfordshire Police, the treatment was "miraculous". At one stage, the policeman's PTSD symptoms were so severe that he contemplated suicide. Problems began several weeks after attending a stabbing incident in March 2001. "It was an upsetting scene, but nothing I hadn't experienced before," he says. "There was a large pool of very dark blood outside a fast-food restaurant and the person who had been attacked was in hospital, and later died." Over the next few weeks, he thought of the scene more and more. "I couldn't seem to get the pool of blood out of my mind, and I started to have flashbacks. I then started having flashbacks of when I was in the army and had seen similar scenes in Northern Ireland. I hadn't thought about it for 20 years, but I could smell it and hear it. To all intents and purposes I was there. I wasn't able to focus on my normal life. I was overtaken by fear and a bit of guilt about situations I had been to and maybe could have done more about. "I became very focused on my own personal safety. We were having difficulties getting protective vests, and I train probationers, so I was with quite inexperienced officers. I felt vulnerable. I didn't want to go out. I thought: 'Any time now I'm going to get killed.' I was depressed and it got to the point where I was contemplating suicide. I couldn't see beyond these flashbacks. I was in this world I couldn't get out of." He turned to the force's occupational health department, and was eventually referred to Watford General. His first treatment was in October 2001. "It was traumatic because I had to think very carefully about the incidents, but I went out more relaxed than I had been in six months and more in control of my emotions." After his second session, he felt almost completely recovered. Several weeks later he dreamt that he had been sexually abused as a child. Slowly memories came back and his parents confirmed they had suspected something had occurred. The officer had a third and final session of EMDR in January last year. By March he was back to full operational duties. "I haven't had any flashbacks since. I've got the memories, but I'm not disturbed by them. It's put all the ghosts in the past. It's miraculous as far as I'm concerned. I've been in the police for seven years and I haven't enjoyed it as much as I have in the last six months." EMDR Association UK & Ireland, 020-8752 0429; PTSD clinic at Watford General, 01923 217554 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 18:46:08 -0500 From: Scott Fifield Subject: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC >Okay-I'm throwing this out to the list: > >What are your top CD's from 2002? They can include older music that you just >discovered in 2002, as well. Stuff that you listened to a lot, and maybe >still do now! > I'm going to just include stuff that was released in 2002. I'll even rank 'em tenth favorite to favorite. 10. Chris Connor - I Walk With Music 9. Alanis Morissette - under rug swept 8. Toby Keith - Unleashed 7. Sheryl Crow - C'mon C'mon 6. Rosemary Clooney - The Last Concert 5. Patty Loveless - Blue Grass & White Snow 4. Joe Nichols - A Man With A Memory 3. Pet Shop Boys - Release 2. Carly Simon - Christmas Time Is Almost Here 1. Joni Mitchell - Travelogue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:34:14 -0800 From: Subject: Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC Last year: hmmmm- Marigold Sky-Hall and Oates DED- Joni Still listening to the latter almost constantly and still cannot get enough. mack np: DED P.S. Have begun to listen to Mingus with almost the exact opposite reaction that I had with DED. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:37:47 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Travelogue cover? Is there a good quality scan of the Travelogue cover out there? I'd like to use the self-portrait as my desktop. The jpg on the Nonesuch site isn't of great quality. Private replies OK! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:58:32 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC Tough one - this. Didn't buy many CDs in 2002, so I'd be hard pressed to list 10 full stop, let alone a *top* 10. So, I'll just mention the ones that have stuck in my head. They're not in any order, because by next week, I'd have changed my mind. And mostly I discovered these late in the year. Peter Gabriel - Up Doesn't grab me on an emotional level, but musically I love this album. Sounds very original and modern to my ears, and is probably one that will age rather gracefully too. Gemma Hayes - Night On My Side If you haven't heard Gemma yet, I really recommend that you do. I don't suppose the lyrics are regarded as hugely sophisticated by Joni standards, but what messages there are, are chosen carefully and exquisitely delivered. Tori Amos - Scarlet's Walk Oh my god. This might just actually be top of the pile for me, bought a few days before New Year's Eve. I can't stop listening to this at the moment, it's lovely. I'm so glad that Tori has taken a slightly more accessible direction again. And to provide 18 tracks, with hardly a duffer among them is some piece of work. Joni - Travelogue Didn't expect to like it... did. Everything else has been said, hasn't it? I owe Steve T thanks for introducing me to Gemma Hayes in the first place, and for sitting me down in front of Tori's latest and making me listen. Thanks. Rgds, - --Chris Marshall chris@hatstand.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:46:27 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC My top ten Norah Jones-- lovely from start to finish, a hint of Joni of course helps a ton... Beck-Moody, consistent stuff I can't stop listening to right now Tori Amos-- gems from start to finish, what a surprise, because I didn't like her recent stuff at all, but this is gorgeous! Joni-- Just the Marlena and Amelia versions alone are worth it to me... Pink-- helps me through a workout, she's got some originality at least! that's all I can think of, but they were worth mentioning, the class of the year for me! Mitch in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:40:39 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: rc (religious content) John 1:1-14 Peace, Grace & Mercy, Craig NP: God of Wonders..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: rc (religious content) > anne asked >>And I have to ask the Christians on the list (and I'm > asking in the most naive way, believe me) - Do you > really honestly believe the story of Jesus Christ being > God? I ask because I have finally realized that I never > in my life thought it was literally true, even though I > was raised as a Catholic. I kept waiting for someone to > "admit" (to my mind) that it was all a metaphor.<<< > > my 2 cents even though i am not now a christian...i was raised as a > christian but wouldn't define myself as christian now, though i embrace > many, not all, of those teachings...as i do those of other religions...i > came to interpret that what jesus was teaching was that he knew god within > him & that all of us were capable of knowing god in the same way... > > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com > Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs > Over the Moon- > "bringing the melancholy world of twilight > to life almost like magic" All Music Guide > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 18:56:23 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: TOP CD's of 2002 - VLJC I can't say top anything, since there are quite a few releases I haven't heard. Here are a few things I liked in 2002 George Harrison-Brainwashed- George's final album was finished by his son Dhani and Jeff Lynne. Lots of sublime moments here. "Pisces Fish", and the lovely instrumental "Matwa Blues" to name a couple Norah Jones-Come Away With Me- While most of the material does not match the awesome "Don't Know Why", the understated easy pace, Arif Mardin's sparse production, and Jones' lovely voice are a breath of fresh air on the charts No Doubt-Rock Steady-technically released in Dec 2001, it was spinnin' in '02. Best band in America? Tom Petty-The Last DJ- not a 100% success, but there are some solid songs on this concept album blasting the music biz. Best band in America? Sheryl Crow- C'mon, C'mon - I'm coming! Rolling Stones- 40 Licks-This greatest hits collection only features 4 new tunes. I thought Keith Richard's ravaged vocal against solo piano on "Losing My Touch" was awesome. My pal Bob thought it sucked, so there you are. Joni Mitchell-Travelogue-Surprised? A Joni album is always welcome. There are a handful of magic moments that make up for the overblown orchestral indulgences of arranger Vince Mendoza, and Joni's own declining vocals. Pink-Mizunderstood-Producer and ex 4 Non Blonde Linda Perry keeps it fun and energetic. Pretenders-Loose Screw- A solid if unspectacular album. Crissy coasting is better than most artists at full throttle. Johnny Cash-American IV-the Man Comes Around- OK, all I've heard is his duet with Fiona Apple on "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" I'll pick it up on ebay or something. Cash's voice, broken but soulful, is haunting. Best shows McCartney in Oakland Yes at Clear Lake No Doubt/Garbage/Distillers in San Jose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:07:34 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #12 new BYT I feel really embarassed now cause I just found out it's the Counting Crows version - and it's Radio 2's single of the week. I think I recall some people saying they liked it, I guess I really didn't if I thought it sounded like Ronan Keating I heard the Crows' BYT a couple of times and it's not bad - though the inclusion of Vanessa whoever's shu-bob-bop doesn't quite gel with the what's his name's lead vocal (sorry, that's the best I can do). As with all (nearly) Joni covers, I hope it succeeds. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:17:19 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #13 -- cover image I> Is there a good quality scan of the Travelogue cover out there? I'd > like to use the self-portrait as my desktop. The jpg on the Nonesuch > site isn't of great quality. Private replies OK! > I don't know what kind of quality you need, but try Amazon.com. You can click on and save any image they have. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 02:21:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 9 1968: Joni performs at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 02:21:40 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 9 On January 9 the following item was published: 1971: "Contemporary Songwriters: No. 4 Joni Mitchell" - Sounds (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=341 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:50:14 -0800 From: "Mark Connely" Subject: the Glass Engine url This is great! Glass Engine http://www.philipglass.com/glassengine/ Composer Philip Glass is best know for reviving opera, contributing works to the minimalist movement, and composing some of the more haunting works in this century. Through dedicated research, IBM has developed an engine designed to analyze and play sixty compositions from the huge body of Glass's work, with a unique playback engine that categorizes music through a series of relationships and emotions in groups of sliding bars. By moving the bars on the page, you can find types of selections you'd like to hear. Currently the plugin only works with IE. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #8 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)