From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #7 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 8 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 007 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Radio 2 ["Tamsin Lucas" ] Joni Mitchell Tribute night at Club Passim- Part 2 [AsharaJM@aol.com] T'Log [Ron Greer ] Re: Travelogue/Performance thoughts [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] 2003 NAMM (SJC) ["Happy The Man" ] Hejira snippet on NPR ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Hejira snippet on NPR [Jerry Notaro ] Magdalene sisters Coming to a cinema near you ( hopefully) [Chorando6@aol] Re: Chinese cafe lyrics etc... ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: NYTimes.com Article: Joni Mitchell's Long and Restless Journey ["St] Re: Radio 2 ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Chinese cafe lyrics etc... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Magdalene sisters Coming to a cinema near you ( hopefully) ["Donna Bi] Netiquette [Scott Price ] Re: Chinese cafe lyrics etc... [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: Netiquette [Catherine McKay ] Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: T'Log [Catherine McKay ] Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) ["Happy The Man" ] and speaking of covers ... questions about Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Mags N Brei ] Happy Music New Year to you All - VLJC [Lindsay Moon ] Tea Leaf Prophecy [Scott Fifield ] Today's Library Links: January 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today in History: January 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:04:09 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Radio 2 Hello, I've been lurking about for the last couple of months and enjoying all the posts. De-lurking to tell you I heard the tail end of "Tracks of my Years" on Radio 2 this morning, once a week an arist picks a couple of songs which have meant a lot to them and explain why. Julia Fordham picked "A Case of You" (followed by Ricki Lee's Chuck E's in Love) and told a tale of her approaching JM after hearing her sing it (didn't catch when but must have been some time ago) and said "that's a wonderful song" (paraphrasing) to which JM replied "I know." She then explained that after that she bought Blue and really got into JM. Then they played the tracks, nice to hear in the office :) Back into lurk-dom, tamsin _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:37:15 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Tribute night at Club Passim- Part 2 14) Stephen Kellogg- Raised on Roberry: "I got nervous on my way out of the dressing room becauseI have my guitar in a tuning it's never been in before, and I could never get it in again." Stephen proceeded to try to lay out 3 legal sized sheets of words on three stools and said he was "just getting to know Joni Mitchell. He did a fairly good rendition of the song, and had a good sense of humor. Halfway through the song, he said (while still strumming) "we're doing good, as it gets closer to this side of the stage (referring to his lyric sheets) I'll be able to look at you more." 15) Meg Hutchinson was also on the list, but wasn't there. 16) Anne Heaton- For Free: Anne came in from NYC for this, and sang a beautiful pretty much dead-on rendition of the song. Great piano chops and very sweet voice. 17) Vance Gilbert- Goodbye Porkpie Hat: "No one liked this album when it came out, no one knows this song, so I thought it would be a good song to do because none of you would know it if I f-ked it up!" Vance absolutely nailed this one. He totally brought it in, and owned this song. It was a great, really blusey, jazzy version and after "It's very unlikely we'll be driven out of town Or be hung in a tree" instead of "That's unlikely" he sang "although with this administration that's more and more likely" which sent absolute shivers down my spine. He even took a trumpet solo (mouth trumpet) which, if you closed your eyes, you would have sworn it was the real thing. Definite A+ on this one. 18) Gregory Douglas- Court and Spark: Again, a nice, authenic version. 19) Ari- Blue: Too much angst for me. 20) Christopher Williams- A Case of You: When Christopher started in his clear guitar style, we all looked at each other, trying to figure out what he was going to play. We couldn't guess until he sang the first few words. A ver sweet version with very different chording on the guitar. 21) Bridget Matros- Cactus Tree: When Bridget (who works with ChuckE) started out, I thought, " I like this. She has a sweet soprano voice, her guitar picking is nice, and the song fits her. Then, out of nowhere (and I think Anne described it best by saying it was a schizophrenic version of Cactus Tree) she started shouting, really shouting the song, which hurt my ears. At the end, she went back to the first style, and if she had kept that first style, I would have really loved this version. She was young, the song was a perfect fit, and without the shouting would have a been a great song for her. 22) Mark Erelli- Carey: "There are lots of reasons to like Joni- her angelic voice, impossibly difficult lyrics, but I like her for her interviews." What I can say about Mark is that this was the most fun song of the evening. Imagine a real twangy, cowboy-style version, and you've got this rendition. I swear I could hear the clip-clopping of Roy Rogers horse coming into the club! As Anne said, "Cowboy Joni!!" He definitely grabbed the audience, and in the middle (while still strumming) he sang, "I like the clapping- keep it up til the end of the song.......cuz Joni wouldn't even let you clap along.....!" Fun, and really different. 23) Dave Dersham- Cold Blue Steel: I would have like to have heard Dave pick one of Joni's slower, more ballady songs. Cold Blue Steel didn't fit him at all. He seemed to have a nice voice, and I was longing to hear it in one of her other songs. 24) Rachael Davis- My Old Man: When Rachael introduced this song as the song she couldn't get out of her mind when she first heard it 5 years ago when she was a senior in High School, (HIGH SCHOOL, no less!) After Anne (sweet, darling Anne) reminded me that I was the MOTHER of a High School senior 5 years ago, I was ready to *really* dislike this young woman! (kidding) Oh, this version was sweet, sweet, SWEET!! Rachael has the sweetest clear voice and was accompanied by a wonderful guitarist who stuck in a very unexpected chord- to my ears perhaps a Major 7th chord. Whatever it was it worked SO nicely and was SO unexpected! A+ for this version!! 25) David Goldfinger- Urge For Going: "I'm not sure why I was chosen to be last, but when Matt saw I was going to play Urge For Going, perhaps he thought it would be a great subliminal message for all of you. (As if sitting for 3 hours in a folding chair wasn't enough to get you to leave!)" David was joined by John Anderson on upright bass, which was a nice touch. He doesn't have a great voice, but it was a nice rendition, and one of my favorite Joni songs, so I was pleased. Wish you all could have joined us as it was a great evening with great friends and music. All 22 artists donated their time to benefit this incredible club which says so much about Passim. It's one of my favorite venues, and I am hoping it will be around for a long time to come! Thanks Matt and all the artists who made this such an enjoyable night. Hugs, Ashara (Who is eternally grateful that the listers here don't do such a brutally honest review of my performance at Jonifest!) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:49:14 +0200 From: Ron Greer Subject: T'Log Hi first off happy christmas, new year, hannukah, eid, whatever, etc to everyone!!! :-) ( i had a dead pc at home so i guess i missed all the festive stuff!!) so the other day i stopped at my local independendent cd shop to see about these special offers they were advertising. they proudly informed me that they had all the cds being advertised on tv at good prices. ignoring those racks i went straight to the bargain bins - leo kottke, john martyn, roger mcguinn, stevie nicks, inner circle - all for the ridiculous price of R 20.00 (currently around US$2.50) each. plus a further 10% discount for joining their club.... so just for the hell of it i asked them if they had travelogue. theyd never heard of joni mitchell (!!!) but they offered to phone head office - so he picks up the phone - & asks them if they've got any copies of "WATERLOG" by joni mitchell. once id finished laughing i corrected him & he told me they didnt have it. so off i go to the somewhat distant major cd chain which stocks quality cds. i was most amazed to see that they have it in stock, and at a reasonable price. so i take a listen to it through the headphones in the shop. strangely enough - "WATERLOG" is probably a very apt name for the album... :-) probably nice - but not my cup of tea. compare it back to back with "hejira" and its just not even in the same league. so i went & bought rory block's "confessions of a blues singer" instead. wow - - not just in the same league as, but a serious contender with "hejira" & "shadows & light" for the best album i have ever heard!!!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:51:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue/Performance thoughts Scott wrote: > Again - I've enjoyed the posts. Particulary the ones that > don't have NJC > in the subject heading. Hi Scott, and thanks for sharing your thoughts on T'log. While I'm less than blown away with it, I appreciate it for what it is, and hope that Joni still has some things left to say to us in the future. We need intelligent songwriters now more than ever! In regards to the "NJC" comment, just in case you don't know you can select an option that will automatically weed out those messages. People sometimes slip and forget to use NJC, but for the most part it works pretty well. I also enjoyed your "20 performances" list. I was surprised to see "Tea Leaf" there as I for the life of me find nothing of value in that song whatsoever. So if you feel like it, I'd be interested to know what you appreciate about it. Not so I can disagree, but rather so maybe I can listen for what you're hearing. I won't list 20, but among my favorites: Black Crow from Shadows & Light Down to You (sung with the perfect amount of emotional commitment/detachment, this song just sends me to another place) Woodstock from Canadaigua, NY 1983 (she gets carried off with the audience and just keeps jamming that closing riff for 6 minutes or so...very cool) Both Sides Now, Atlanta 98 (because I was there and was totally surprised and reduced to a puddle of whimpering goo) Little Green/Circle Game, Philadelphia Folk Festival 1968 (an amazing medley where she intertwines these two songs, mixing the joys of watching a child grow older with the sorrows of giving up those joys before they're even experienced - a revelation of a performance). Anyway, welcome, thanks for stepping out and speaking up. Bob NP: Ani, "Joyful Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:47:32 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: 2003 NAMM (SJC) Anyone attending the NAMM concert? Like to hear how Diana Krall's and others do and what songs they cover by Sir EJ. I have learned to love Miss Krall since her Joni Cover. Peace, Craig NP: Caedmons Call - Ballard of San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 14:29:18 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Hejira snippet on NPR Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 07:31:42 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: knock-off of Hejira snippet on NPR >As many know, the NPR daily news show Morning Edition plays snippets >of unattributed instrumental music edited between the news stories. A >few >days ago I am certain that I heard the introductory chords to "Hejira" >Patti Patti, I am happy you mentioned this. I heard it too, HEJIRA on NPR radio! (just an instrumental part) It was on Thursday, January 2nd, at 5:48 am (eastern standard time). (I live in Rochester, NY). As you said, it was a very small segment. . . but it made MY morning as I was leaving for work! Best, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 14:41:09 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Hejira snippet on NPR This morning they played a very nice guitar Up On the Roof. Jerry Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 07:31:42 -0400 > From: Patti Witten > Subject: knock-off of Hejira snippet on NPR > > >As many know, the NPR daily news show Morning Edition plays snippets > >of unattributed instrumental music edited between the news stories. A >few > >days ago I am certain that I heard the introductory chords to "Hejira" > > >Patti > > Patti, > > I am happy you mentioned this. I heard it too, HEJIRA on NPR radio! (just > an instrumental part) > > It was on Thursday, January 2nd, at 5:48 am (eastern standard time). (I live > in Rochester, NY). > > As you said, it was a very small segment. . . but it made MY morning as I > was leaving for work! > > Best, > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:15:00 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Magdalene sisters Coming to a cinema near you ( hopefully) a little something for one and all. The Magdalene Sisters: A controversial winner of the golden Lion at the 2002 venice film festival, Peter mullan's Magdalene sisters establishes the Actor/director as a vital and potent force in british Cinema. Set in Ireland during the 1960's, the film dramatises the lives of three young women sent to a catholic Church/Irish government sanctioned Magdalene laundry for fallen women as a punishment for their 'sins'. Cut off from their families by the sadistic nuns who run the establishment, the young women enter a world of insufferable pain and torment. A savage indictment of a vicious and uncaring system that emphasizes religious dogma above all else. The Magdalene sisters is a powerful and profoundly humane statement and an essential viewing experience. Opens in Brighton on the 21st Febuary....elsewhere check press for details. xxx Clive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:18:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Chinese cafe lyrics etc... Yeah I always thought that line sounded a bit familiar. She mentions the name Carole in the song too! STEVE T. NP: 'Beautiful' ~ Carole King > Sorry if this has been mentioned before (it probably > has seeing I am new to the list) but anyway... > > I was listening to Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody > today, and I noticed that in the second verse she > sings "you give your love so sweetly", which is > actually the second line from the Carol King song > "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" made famous by The > Shirelles - > > ---snip--- > > Tonight you're mine completely > You give you love so sweetly > Tonight the light of love is in your eyes > But will you love me tomorrow? > > ---snip--- > > I just wondered why the writers of Unchained Melody > are mentioned in the copyrights etc for the song, but > not Carol King? Maybe using one line isn't enough to > infringe on copyright? A lot more of Unchained Melody > was used, after all... > > Joseph > > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:18:31 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Joni Mitchell's Long and Restless Journey Thats plain nasty! STEVE T NP: 'Way Over Yonder' ~ Carole King > Joni Mitchell's Long and Restless Journey > > January 5, 2003 > By JOHN ROCKWELL > > > JONI MITCHELL'S new "Travelogue" isn't billed as a > farewell, but it's hard to see it any other way. Ms. > Mitchell is 58, and her once-girlish soprano is now a frail > and unsteady mezzo. This personally (not to say > idiosyncratically) chosen, newly arranged collection of 22 > of her songs from 1966 to 1994 presumably represents some > sort of retrospective summa. > > Of course, it's always dangerous to presume anyone's > motivations, let alone those of an artist as hermetically > private as Ms. Mitchell. But in addition to this quasi > memorial to herself (Nonesuch, two CD's), she has chosen to > blast the music industry in a recent interview in Rolling > Stone, denouncing the business as a cesspool and MTV's > vulgarity, as she sees it, as "tragic." Having now fled her > longtime base of Reprise, she didn't flee too far, however, > since Nonesuch is also part of AOL Time Warner. > > As a longtime admirer of Ms. Mitchell - I even lived in her > Laurel Canyon neighborhood in the early 70's - I must > confess that my first reaction to this new set was one of > horror. Asked recently by WNYC-FM to appear on air with > some emblematic examples of American music in the 20th > century, I thought of her song "Amelia," which was once my > prime evidence when I called her a 20th-century American > Schubert. > > The song appears on Ms. Mitchell's 1976 album "Hejira," > which is full of songs about flight and wandering and > loneliness. "Amelia" is Amelia Earhart, the doomed > aviatrix. Ms. Mitchell's words tie together place and heart > and mind, myth and history, womanhood and a lost love. She > starts by evoking the emptiness of the desert and the sky, > six jet vapor trails "like the hexagram of the heavens, > like the strings of my guitar." Her "life becomes a > travelogue" - you see how central this one song is to this > new retrospective travelogue of her life in song. > > Suddenly she's missing a lover. She equates herself with > Amelia and with Icarus, "ascending on beautiful foolish > arms." > > "I've spent my whole life at icy altitudes," she muses. > "And looking down on everything/ I crashed into his arms." > > Finally she pulls in to a desert motel, showers and sleeps > "on the strange pillows of my wanderlust," dreaming "of > 747's/ Over geometric farms." > > On the original studio recording, the accompaniment is > electric guitars and vibraphones, electronically sustaining > Ms. Mitchell's own inimitable vocals, cool and clipped, and > almost pushing this sad, intimate, conversational song > along to its conclusion. Even better, really, is the live > version on her album "Shadows and Light" of 1980, just as > nervously forward-moving but with a guitar backing closer > to her folkish roots. > > The new version, indeed the entire album, comes dressed > (overdressed) in orchestral /soft-jazz arrangements by > Larry Klein. Mr. Klein and Ms. Mitchell were married for > eight years, and although they broke up domestically in > 1994, they have continued to collaborate professionally, > having now completed nine projects together. > > Having heard "Amelia" in its new guise, I think I called it > an abomination on the radio. Now I've listened to the whole > album. One must make allowances for an artist's right to > evolve and for fans' right to cling, even unfairly, to what > they once loved. And one must concede a certain winsome > communicativeness in Ms. Mitchell's vocal weaknesses. But I > still think this set is pretty terrible. > > Part of the problem is simple taste. I personally have > little use for the kind of bloated symphonic jazz heard > here. Ms. Mitchell clearly does have a taste for it, so > much so that she now chops up the urgent flow of "Amelia" > for soggy orchestral ditherings between the verses. > > Any artist must constantly question his or her past > accomplishments; to repeat oneself risks becoming a hack. > In fairness, Ms. Mitchell has undertaken a hejira of her > own over some 23 albums (depending on how you count). From > folk to folk rock to jazz (or jazz folk), all with her own > highly personal inventiveness, and now to this, it's been a > trip that has alienated fans along the way, throwing them > off the curves, as it were. But the journey has presumably > helped keep her fresh. > > That said, restless experimentation also suggests a quality > of unwelcome self-indulgence that has always marked her > music and her personality. When one confronts the really > naove paintings that proliferate in the lavish booklet with > which these two CD's are packaged - let alone the > rudimentary "multi-media content" on the one "enhanced > audio CD" - one has to wonder whether Ms. Mitchell has slid > too far into her own world. There is usually some kind of > healthy link between creator and public, or at least > imagined public, a link that sustains even the most private > artists and helps dampen the temptation toward vanity > projects like "Travelogue." > > Her early jazz experiments could be welcomed as the > honorable efforts of a folk-rock singer to connect with the > wider world of improvisation in jazz. One fears that this > album marks some sort of aspiration to "art" in the > classical, formalized sense. Nonesuch is, after all, AOL > Time Warner's prestige label, especially for classical > music and crossover projects of a certain vanguard sort. > But a self-conscious aspiration for gentility can kill the > essence of the idioms that Ms. Mitchell grew up with. > > Above, I called her singing inimitable. But of course it > isn't, quite. Right now, the best live Joni Mitchell is the > countertenor-falsettist-drag artist John Kelly in his > periodic revivals of his Joni Mitchell act, fabled in > downtown Manhattan. Mr. Kelly sings Ms. Mitchell far better > than she sings herself now. If you want her unadulterated, > buy albums like "Ladies of the Canyon," "Blue," "Court and > Spark" or "Hejira." If you want to see her in person, catch > John Kelly. > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/05/arts/music/05ROCK.html?ex=1042777812&ei=1& en=b93d8bcebd0f6a5e > > > > HOW TO ADVERTISE > --------------------------------- > For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters > or other creative advertising opportunities with The > New York Times on the Web, please contact > onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media > kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo > > For general information about NYTimes.com, write to > help@nytimes.com. > > Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:18:39 -0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Radio 2 Yes I heard it too. It's always nice to hear Joni on the radio. They played 'A Case Of You' last week aswell which makes a change from 'Big Yellow Taxi'. Now if R2 played something from THOSL that would really amaze me! STEVE T NP: 'Way Over Yonder' ~ Carole King > Hello, > I've been lurking about for the last couple of months and enjoying all the > posts. De-lurking to tell you I heard the tail end of "Tracks of my Years" > on Radio 2 this morning, once a week an arist picks a couple of songs which > have meant a lot to them and explain why. Julia Fordham picked "A Case of > You" (followed by Ricki Lee's Chuck E's in Love) and told a tale of her > approaching JM after hearing her sing it (didn't catch when but must have > been some time ago) and said "that's a wonderful song" (paraphrasing) to > which JM replied "I know." > She then explained that after that she bought Blue and really got into JM. > Then they played the tracks, nice to hear in the office :) > Back into lurk-dom, > tamsin > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:28:53 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chinese cafe lyrics etc... In a message dated 1/7/2003 3:18:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve@hatstand.org writes: > Yeah I always thought that line sounded a bit familiar. She > mentions the > name Carole in the song too! And Joni possibly chose this one because Joni & JT sang backup on Carole's recording of it. Bob NP: Ani, "pale purple" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 14:37:21 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Magdalene sisters Coming to a cinema near you ( hopefully) Does anyone have any info. as to when this movie will be in the United States? Or is it here already? I have not found any listings on it. db >>> 01/07/03 02:15PM >>> a little something for one and all. The Magdalene Sisters: A controversial winner of the golden Lion at the 2002 venice film festival, Peter mullan's Magdalene sisters establishes the Actor/director as a vital and potent force in british Cinema. Set in Ireland during the 1960's, the film dramatises the lives of three young women sent to a catholic Church/Irish government sanctioned Magdalene laundry for fallen women as a punishment for their 'sins'. Cut off from their families by the sadistic nuns who run the establishment, the young women enter a world of insufferable pain and torment. A savage indictment of a vicious and uncaring system that emphasizes religious dogma above all else. The Magdalene sisters is a powerful and profoundly humane statement and an essential viewing experience. Opens in Brighton on the 21st Febuary....elsewhere check press for details. xxx Clive This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 12:34:51 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Netiquette Picking up Mr. Dulson's torch, I'm asking people to please trim messages they are replying to. Quoting back an entire message to add your own one or two lines isn't necessary. Thank you. Scott who left out the NJC on purpose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:44 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Chinese cafe lyrics etc... I think there's a ruling where you have to use at least 8 consecutive words in the song before it needs a copyright permission. Of course, I could be wrong! Much Joni Jamie Zoob Stephen Toogood wrote:Yeah I always thought that line sounded a bit familiar. She mentions the name Carole in the song too! STEVE T. NP: 'Beautiful' ~ Carole King > Sorry if this has been mentioned before (it probably > has seeing I am new to the list) but anyway... > > I was listening to Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody > today, and I noticed that in the second verse she > sings "you give your love so sweetly", which is > actually the second line from the Carol King song > "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" made famous by The > Shirelles - > > ---snip--- > > Tonight you're mine completely > You give you love so sweetly > Tonight the light of love is in your eyes > But will you love me tomorrow? > > ---snip--- > > I just wondered why the writers of Unchained Melody > are mentioned in the copyrights etc for the song, but > not Carol King? Maybe using one line isn't enough to > infringe on copyright? A lot more of Unchained Melody > was used, after all... > > Joseph > > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - What's on at your local cinema? - --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:53:57 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Netiquette In a message dated 1/7/2003 3:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, sp@olympus.net writes: > Quoting back an entire message to add your own one or > two lines isn't necessary. Thanks Scott, and if I may remind new (or old) listers another thing I've seen quite a lot of lately: 2) Watch your subject lines: When posting, make sure to check your subject line and insure that it is relevant to the post itself. We often see "Re: Joni Mitchell Digest V3#212" as the subject line or some other vague or outdated description. Jimmy (an occasional rule bender) :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:07:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Chinese cafe lyrics etc... Of course, it is also possible that Joni used the lyrics with permission. Similar to music sampling which is so common nowadays. Jerry Jamie Zubairi wrote: > I think there's a ruling where you have to use at least 8 consecutive words in the song before it needs a copyright permission. > > Of course, I could be wrong! > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > Stephen Toogood wrote:Yeah I always thought that line sounded a bit familiar. She mentions the > name Carole in the song too! > > STEVE T. > > NP: 'Beautiful' ~ Carole King > > > Sorry if this has been mentioned before (it probably > > has seeing I am new to the list) but anyway... > > > > I was listening to Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody > > today, and I noticed that in the second verse she > > sings "you give your love so sweetly", which is > > actually the second line from the Carol King song > > "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" made famous by The > > Shirelles - > > > > ---snip--- > > > > Tonight you're mine completely > > You give you love so sweetly > > Tonight the light of love is in your eyes > > But will you love me tomorrow? > > > > ---snip--- > > > > I just wondered why the writers of Unchained Melody > > are mentioned in the copyrights etc for the song, but > > not Carol King? Maybe using one line isn't enough to > > infringe on copyright? A lot more of Unchained Melody > > was used, after all... > > > > Joseph > > > > > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > > - What's on at your local cinema? > > --------------------------------- > With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:12:29 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Ron Sexsmith CNN has a profile of Canadian s/ser Ron Sexsmith at: http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/07/wkd.ron.sexsmith.ap/index.html It includes the sentence: "Some of his favorite artists are fellow Canadians: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Gordon Lightfoot, Rufus Wainwright." - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:00:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Netiquette --- Scott Price wrote: > Picking up Mr. Dulson's torch, I'm asking people to > please trim messages > they are replying to. Quoting back an entire message > to add your own one or > two lines isn't necessary. Thank you. > > Scott > who left out the NJC on purpose If I could add my refrain, could people also please remember to include PC in the re: line for anything that's Political Content. Things are getting a mite busy around here lately. (If this has already been mentioned, it may have been in one of those PC e-mails that I deleted without reading, just by doing a sort on the re: line.) Merci. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:05:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) --- Happy The Man wrote: > Anyone attending the NAMM concert? > What is NAMM? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:18:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: T'Log --- Ron Greer wrote: > Hi > > first off happy christmas, new year, hannukah, eid, > whatever, etc to > everyone!!! :-) ( i had a dead pc at home so i > guess i missed all the > festive stuff!!) > Consider yourelf blessed - you didn't miss much. [...] > > so off i go to the somewhat distant major cd chain > which stocks quality cds. > i was most amazed to see that they have it in stock, > and at a reasonable > price. so i take a listen to it through the > headphones in the shop. > > strangely enough - "WATERLOG" is probably a very apt > name for the album... > :-) > > probably nice - but not my cup of tea. compare it > back to back with "hejira" > and its just not even in the same league. Oh, c'mon. In all fairness, one listen probably isn't a good way to judge. You're probably going to have to spring the cash and just buy the damn thing. No guarantees you'll love it and maybe it really isn't your cuppa tea, but give it a go anyway. It's not my favourite of all time, but the first time I heard it, it didn't do much for me either, with the exception of a few songs. Since then, on subsequent listens, it has got better, although there are still some that don't do it for me and maybe never will. (Wait 'til it goes on sale, though.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:40:36 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) www.namm.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Happy The Man" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: 2003 NAMM (SJC) > --- Happy The Man > wrote: > Anyone attending the NAMM concert? > > > > What is NAMM? > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: and speaking of covers ... questions about Don Juan's Reckless Daughter We were listening to DJRD tonight while eating dinner and pulled out the album so we could read the dates and have a look at the various musicians and such. Then we turned to the front cover to have a look at the art work and wondered.... Who is the little boy in the tux? I also wanted to know how this album was received when it was initially released. Mags np: Colours/Dance George Winston, Autumn. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:36:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: and speaking of covers ... questions about Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Mags writes: > I also wanted to know how this album was received when it was initially > released. > Speaking for the general public...the reception was not good. After her commercial peak with C&S, she continued to slide downward and for most "AOR" fans bottomed out with DJRD. After all, it was TOTALLY out of step with the zeitgeist, it wasn't rock, punk, or disco, or the easy listening jazz of George Benson. Of course, being out of step with the zeitgeist is what Joni does best! Speaking for me...I felt like Hejira was a masterpiece, even then, in 1976 when I hadn't a clue as what a lot of it was about. I was starving for more, craving the followup. When it arrived, and the radio station played it in its entirety, I was in awe. She had taken the textures and lyrical grandeur of Hejira and raised the stakes. Cotton Ave? What an intro! Paprkia Plains? What the feck was this, an entire album side, 16 minutes? And it was awesome. The title track took me right back to Hejira, Jaco was still all over the place, and it closes up with Silky Veils of Ardor...man, I was speechless. So I was out of step with most, but marching in time to Joni! Didn't care for Tenth World then and still find it tedious. Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Radical Adults Lick Godhead Style" (yet another cd John Calimee wouldn't be caught dead with!) :~) PS: The kid in the tux is Brei - I auumed you knew THAT! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:22:28 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #9 In a message dated 1/7/2003 12:22:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > >Next year we'll see Joni on the nominee list. > Let's hope so, but whether it's acknowledged or not, sales have something to do with it, and so far T'log sales are minimal. > In the meantime maybe she can enjoy the nominations for Wayne Shorter (his > solo record) &Herbie, as well as Pat Metheny. (I wonder what her > relationship is with Pat these days...it would sure be nice to hear them > collaborate again.) > > I was glad to see Bruce &Elvis &Beck &Coldplay &Me'Shell and some others > get nods. But then again so did John Tesh, so there you go. Not a bad bunch of nominees overall. But for Pete's sake...more multiple nominations for Sheryl Crow? She's not untalented, but all she has to do is sneeze and she garners multiple nominations. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:39:11 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #10 -- Those were the days When it (DJRD)arrived, and the radio station played it in its entirety, I was in awe. Those were the days, huh? I also heard DJRD played in its entirety, upon release, on an AM station in Cincinnati. And many cuts played on rock stations. But, after that, Mingus and the anti-disco backlash (if you're wondering what the hell that is and what is has to do with Joni, just ask) pretty much eliminated Joni from rock radio. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:53:24 -0500 From: "jacka1z" Subject: See ya It's been a pleasure to be part of this list, but I just don't have the time to read it all. I have about twenty back logged pages to catch up on. If anyone replied to me, sorry, I didn't get back to ya. Maybe you'll be getting a personal e'mail from me in the future. When I get caught up, I expect to re-subscrybe, and get more info about one of the great artists and her fans. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:11:12 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Happy Music New Year to you All - VLJC Just wanted to check in for this new year. Unfortunately, because December got so hectic, I had to delete most of the Joni digests : ( waaaah. But I'm starting up again and am through I think Jan. 2. Phew! So far 2003 is shaping up to be a great year for music. Shawn Colvin is playing here next month, and my dear, dear, darling Neil Finn (did I mention supremely talented?) is coming back to town in March. Then on the radio the other morning while on my way to work, I heard a most interesting singer/tune. I was so mesmerized, I called the radio station on my cell phone. Turns out it was Maya Sharp singing -- uh, now I can't remember the exact title -- something Witness. I had similar reactions on first hearing Jonatha Brooke and Rickie Lee Jones. I'll see if I can check out her CD. Let me know if anyone likes/dislikes her. Sometimes these people are one-hit wonders, as you well know. Oh! And my husband got me a new bedside alarm clock with a CD player and now I wake up to "I'm always runnin' behind the times ..." on work days!! Lovely! Due to the continual begging from our kids, we got a dog at the end of November who is a very nice girl (when not biting us in play and stealing my kids' beanie babies.) She's about a 1-yr.-old mix (maybe part boxer/greyhound/golden retriever) we adopted from a local shelter. Lo and behold, she has turned into mostly my dog since my husband is not that interested in the work it takes to clean up after her, walk her, etc. and the kids are, well, kids. I'm getting a lot more exercise which is a good thing (so that the box of 12 Le Petite Ecolier cookies I ate this afternoon is completely negated, calorie-wise, to my way of thinking ; ) Was so glad to hear Joni's song in "Two Weeks' Notice" -- and I happened to be wearing my JMDL shirt!! Yay! Karma, baby! Okay, that's my report so far, boring as it may be. Looking forward to a little more rest after the whirlwind Christmas season. My best to all, Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:23:48 -0500 From: Scott Fifield Subject: Tea Leaf Prophecy SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >I also enjoyed your "20 performances" list. I was surprised to see "Tea Leaf" there as I for the life of me find nothing of value in that song whatsoever. So if you feel like it, I'd be interested to know what you appreciate about it. Not so I can disagree, but rather so maybe I can listen for what you're hearing. > The first time I heard the Chalk Mark album - which was the first new Joni release I got on CD (not vinyl), I remember thinking that although I liked it as a whole better than its predecessor, Dog Eat Dog - there was only one track on it that I instantly loved. And that was Tea Leaf Prophecy. There's nothing I can say that will endear it to you if you don't like it, as you've probably by now played it a few hundred times. I know there are songs I'm not wild about, which I've played a lot just because I don't hate them enough to move the record needle or to program them out of my disk. What I like about it is the atmosphere it creates. It's very homy and it's like a movie I can picture in my mind. The surprise of finding love when there are no men in the town - then the fulfillment of the tea leaf prophecy - and running throughout it is the routine of life...planting gardens, doing shoveling...I like the mix between big world issues "nazi dread" "Tokyo Rose" "Hiroshima" -- and then her own simpler world away from that at home sitting around the radio. I love the line about "just a sneeze in long, long bad winter cold." And I like the melody - both the spoken voice and the background melody "study war no more..." - I think they're woven nicely together. I think her phrasing is exquisite on it and the words just flow - I enjoy singing along to it. It's one I would have liked revisited on Travelogue because I think it would have been interesting to hear it orchestral, without some of those mid-1980's studio touches on the original. From your list, Bob - I love the songs you mentioned in your list - although I've never heard the medley of Circle Game/Little Green, which sounds like it must be something else. NP: "I Forget" Carly Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:16:30 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 8 On January 8 the following item was published: 1969: "Joni pleases New York critic" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=772 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:16:30 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 8 1968: Joni performs at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #7 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)